Red #728 For Sale - Seattle, Washington

[Mark B.]

'Tis the season for North Westerners to sell their Red's. I've finally gotten a webpage up and running with the details... www.BonPhotos.com/RedForSale.htm (http://www.bonphotos.com/RedForSale.htm)

The super-short version is that I'm pre-selling #728, with the matching Titanium 'R'. I'm expecting #728 to ship in early January. You can put in a bid for it using the webpage link above.

[Anthony Gratl]

Hi Lowkus,
Just a thought here. You're offering to sell the camera body only, no cf cards or cf module, batteries, viewing apparatus, nothing at all. At least, it appears that way, correct me if I'm not seeing this. (although maybe the module comes with the camera and you can shoot with someone else's cf cards)
So I'm thinking that your market may be somewhat restricted by the fact that almost noone whose waiting for a camera is going to want one that can't shoot any situations outside of a tripod attached to an extension cord...so it's going to be harder getting top dollar for your camera if you sell it without ANY accessories. Your market may well end up being Red owners only if you retain this approach.
Good Luck with the sale.

[Mark B.]

Yeah, just the body without any evf, cage, or batteries or any of that stuff. I figured whoever bought it would purchase whatever accessories they want directly from Red. Is Red not selling accessories to secondary owners?

[sbroock]

Yeah, just the body without any evf, cage, or batteries or any of that stuff. I figured whoever bought it would purchase whatever accessories they want directly from Red. Is Red not selling accessories to secondary owners?

Seems like a silly question, but why not just get your deposit back + the 10% or so that was being offered (not sure if that still stands)?

If someone is willing to pay a premium to get the body early you'll pay tax on it as ordinary income ... plus, it seems like a lot of hoops to jump through to (a) get the cash to (b) buy the camera to then (c) deliver it to the pre-purchaser.

[Mark B.]

Seems like a silly question, but why not just get your deposit back + the 10% or so that was being offered (not sure if that still stands)?

If someone is willing to pay a premium to get the body early you'll pay tax on it as ordinary income ... plus, it seems like a lot of hoops to jump through to (a) get the cash to (b) buy the camera to then (c) deliver it to the pre-purchaser.

There's more money to be had by selling it than by returning it to Red. Besides, I'd rather the camera went out into the world to be used by someone rather than sitting on a backup-shelf collecting dust in the Red storage room.

Many people are unaware that Washington doesn't have an income tax, one of the reasons that a lot of super-rich people live here (and also why a lot of poor people have moved away to Oregon). Also, because I don't regularly engage in camera sales, whatever profit I make by selling a RedOne won't fall subject to self-employment taxes. It's all fairly irrelevant to me anyway though, because due to an injury I haven't had any income this last year which means I'll be lucky to break through poverty level regardless of what happens. I'm living at my parents as I type this and if I file a tax return this year it will only be to show the government that there are extremely poor people having a tough time of it.

When you're poor, jumping through hoops becomes second nature.

[Mark B.]

Hi Lowkus,
Just a thought here. You're offering to sell the camera body only, no cf cards or cf module, batteries, viewing apparatus, nothing at all. At least, it appears that way, correct me if I'm not seeing this. (although maybe the module comes with the camera and you can shoot with someone else's cf cards)
So I'm thinking that your market may be somewhat restricted by the fact that almost noone whose waiting for a camera is going to want one that can't shoot any situations outside of a tripod attached to an extension cord...so it's going to be harder getting top dollar for your camera if you sell it without ANY accessories. Your market may well end up being Red owners only if you retain this approach.
Good Luck with the sale.

I took your comments into consideration and I've added a section to my sales page explaining accessories purchases. Basically, I can put in an order for accessories when I order the camera. The winning bidder can send me money for whatever accessories they want and I'll forward that money to Red. This should give any prospective buyers the flexibility to get whatever accessories strike their fancy and it will enable the accessories to show up at the same time as the camera.

[Darwin]

Hi Lowkus,
Just a thought here. You're offering to sell the camera body only, no cf cards or cf module, batteries, viewing apparatus, nothing at all. At least, it appears that way, correct me if I'm not seeing this. (although maybe the module comes with the camera and you can shoot with someone else's cf cards)
So I'm thinking that your market may be somewhat restricted by the fact that almost noone whose waiting for a camera is going to want one that can't shoot any situations outside of a tripod attached to an extension cord...so it's going to be harder getting top dollar for your camera if you sell it without ANY accessories. Your market may well end up being Red owners only if you retain this approach.
Good Luck with the sale.
Don't forget he has a 2,500 accessorie bonus that comes with the camera.

[Anthony Gratl]

Lowkus,
Your website has the following section:

"Payment:

The winning bidder must send payment in the form of a cashier's check for the full amount of the bid. I must receive the payment before December 31st, 2007. After the bank has verified the transaction as successful, I will contact you to let you know that the payment has gone through. When the camera is shipped to me from Red, I will then ship the camera to you and contact you to let you know that it's in transit (I'll provide the tracking number at this point). If I don't receive your payment before the requested date, your bid may be cancelled and the camera sold to a different bidder."

Are you honestly expecting someone to send you roughly 20 grand for a camera that can't even shoot, sight and seller unseen, and then send you more money for accessories, when the shipping dates also keep shifting?
Look, i'm not trying to come down on you, but you might want to rethink this strategy for the payment side of this arrangement. Given that ship dates are ever changing you might want to be a little more fluid and flexible. In January, we'll know if Red can pump out 600 cameras a month, and when they start doing that, the line of people waiting for cameras will get smaller and smaller very quickly. I for one am not going to pay a premium, in advance, no camera seen, when I know mine is a few months down the road. Having said that, I'm interested in your camera, as I can put it to 'good' use in those few months, but I think your terms are a little unwieldy. Again, no criticism intended, just a thought on strategy...

[till]

you should say you are selling your reservation number, not a camera, because the first you have...the second not.

[Andrew M.]

Yes, you will not be able to cash $2500 bonus without accessories purchase.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Hmmm....

The accessory availability question has yet to be answered. For now, accessories are limited and reserved for those who actually have cameras. I don't know if RED will extend this courtesy to secondary owners or not.

I personally would not be willing to send in money up front before he has the camera. If I were to buy the camera, I would show up in person and deliver the money via cashier's check or wire transfer on the spot and he hands me the camera.

Lowkus, I'm not attempting to attack you personally, you've been a valuable member to these forums. But I think you're going about this the wrong way.


Yes, you will not be able to cash $2500 bonus without accessories purhcase.

That is true too... So it would make sense for Lowkus to also secure the desired accessories for the buyer and come to some agreement there.

[Mark B.]

Lowkus,
Your website has the following section:

Are you honestly expecting someone to send you roughly 20 grand for a camera that can't even shoot, sight and seller unseen, and then send you more money for accessories, when the shipping dates also keep shifting?
Look, i'm not trying to come down on you, but you might want to rethink this strategy for the payment side of this arrangement. Given that ship dates are ever changing you might want to be a little more fluid and flexible. In January, we'll know if Red can pump out 600 cameras a month, and when they start doing that, the line of people waiting for cameras will get smaller and smaller very quickly. I for one am not going to pay a premium, in advance, no camera seen, when I know mine is a few months down the road. Having said that, I'm interested in your camera, as I can put it to 'good' use in those few months, but I think your terms are a little unwieldy. Again, no criticism intended, just a thought on strategy...

Well, honestly I'm hoping for more than $20k, but yes, that's pretty much the plan. Some people value time far more than money, and in the scheme of life I think that's a very wise outlook on things. If they have the means and the goal to get something into action right away then I'd expect they wouldn't mind paying more than the retail price.

I don't mind having some flexibility on the payment date, for instance I'd be willing to bend the payment cutoff date a bit into 2008 if the purchaser is desperate for a 2008 tax write off. But for the most part someone is either going to have the money to buy the product or they aren't, and an extra week or two isn't likely to change that situation. Getting the payment before the shipping date is really the only way to verify that the winning bidder has the money and is serious about the purchase. If they can't or don't want to follow through, then I'm going to be stuck with the time-intensive task of hunting down and arranging the sale with the next bidder in line. As it is, I think giving people a month after the close of auction is a fairly generous period of time to get their finances together.

I totally agree that there could be major shipping delays once production ramps up, but #728 is very close to the beginning of that ramp-up, so even if there are delays in the batch as a whole, it will mostly be later numbers that will feel the crunch. Call me an optimist but I don't expect delays to dramatically impact the release of #728.

[Mark B.]

you should say you are selling your reservation number, not a camera, because the first you have...the second not.

Semantics are very important. It's ok to sell the camera ahead of time, but it is not ok to sell the reservation. If you're seeking a tangible difference, consider that someone who buys the reservation would become the original purchaser of the camera, and subsequently they would be subject to any applicable sales taxes and they would be assigned the original owner warranty that goes along with the camera. If, however, the buyer is not getting the reservation but instead buying the camera from a reservation holder, then that buyer would become the secondary owner of the camera and therefore would not be subjected to sales tax, and unfortunately would not get the original warranty (let's hope Red modifies their rules about warranty transfers in the near future).

Buying/Selling something before taking possession is done quite frequently. For instance, if you've ever purchased an item at a store where you know that the store has it on back-order (common with things like books and DVD's), you are actually purchasing something with the assumption that they will eventually have it physically in their possession. Or, more precisely, you are buying a contract that allows you to assume ownership of an item in the future. That's what I physically have in my possession right now, a contract that can allow someone to take ownership of the camera when it arrives.

[Steve Sanacore]

I can't believe people are trying to profit by this. If you don't want the camera let it go to the next person in line -

I wonder how RED feels about this? I guess where ever there are people there will be greed.

[donatello b]

"I can't believe people are trying to profit by this"

nothing wrong with Profit .. i think most buying RED hope to make a Profit using it, renting it , leasing it or selling it at sometime ... and the IRS wants you to make a Profit !!!! even your state wants you to Profit ...
Profit is GOOD !!! .... loss not so good ...

[Michael Schrengohst]

Yes, I don't get it? You say you are broke but you will be able to
pay at least $9,000 in cash, assuming your deposit was
$1000. (You can only put down $7500 on the old CC)
Then you think you can do a quick turn to make $2500?
Why not just get your deposit and the 10% and call it a day?

[Mark B.]

I can't believe people are trying to profit by this. If you don't want the camera let it go to the next person in line -

I wonder how RED feels about this? I guess where ever there are people there will be greed.

"don't want" isn't the problem... "can't afford" is where I'm at. Besides, if it doesn't get sold then there won't be any change to the person next in line... the camera would just get put into a backup holding cell. Besides, I think Red secretly wants to be able to say that none of their cameras were ever returned, despite the bonus 10% back offer... it makes their company look good.

Greed??? With my limited income I'm just a survivalist at this point. If I'm ever rolling in money and still trying to get a big profit, at that point feel free to call me greedy.

[Casey Green]

"I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a Camera today."
:whistling: :wink:

[Mark B.]

Yes, I don't get it? You say you are broke but you will be able to
pay at least $9,000 in cash, assuming your deposit was
$1000. (You can only put down $7500 on the old CC)
Then you think you can do a quick turn to make $2500?
Why not just get your deposit and the 10% and call it a day?

Let me clarify my financial situation to explain why I feel that I am broke, yet still have money for a RedOne...

I have no income, nor have I had any income for a while (on the scale of several years). BUT, by working like a dog before getting injured, I was able to put together a little nest egg. I've been slowly depleting those savings in order to survive, and buying a RedOne will completely deplete what's left of my savings. I'm chancing the purchase, hoping that I'll be able to earn some money by using the camera. If I don't purchase the camera, then I might last another year before my savings dry out, at which point I'd be totally broke AND without a camera... so I figure why wait, at least by buying the camera I'll have a tool that might help me to dig out of poverty. Of course there's always the hope that my injury will heal up enough that I can get some money coming in from a regular job (this same hope is the one that convinced me to order two cameras back in the day). But until that happens I'm going to assume that my income will remain at zero into the future. I won't argue if people want to say that I'm not broke, because it's all relative, but in my mind I'm quite tapped for money.

So having two cameras is a total luxury that I can't afford. If putting the one camera up for sale can help me financially then I'm going to do that. If the numbers don't work out on the open market, then I'll go for Red's 10% deal. But I'd be crazy not to try the market first.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Guys, give Lowkus a break... He has every right to sell his camera (or try to), even if he organizes the sale and takes offers before he actually has it. I personally don't see that as being greedy. Perhaps a bit opportunistic in that he could make more than 10% on his deposit. I really don't see this being a massive money-maker.

My only complaint so far as been the money up front before the camera ships. But it looks like that needs to happen so he can actually get the camera from RED... Sorry, Lowkus if that's too much of an assumption, but that's how I interpreted it. If that's the case for wanting the money before the camera ships, then so be it. For someone looking to buy a camera who can't wait for placing an order or can't deal with renting one, this could still be a good deal, just get all the details worked out before any transactions take place.

[Andrew Benz]

Mark aka Lowkus, I really feel for you. I know where you are at right now... I hope you can get fixed and move on with your life. Living in Purgatory is no fun.

I really wish you the best my man.

Andrew Benz

[Anthony Gratl]

pm'd you lowkus

[Mark B.]

Mark aka Lowkus, I really feel for you. I know where you are at right now... I hope you can get fixed and move on with your life. Living in Purgatory is no fun.

I really wish you the best my man.

Andrew Benz

Thanks, I appreciate it. It's funny that you used the term purgatory because I'm not a very religious person but I've seen my share of some weird stuff. Sometimes I think I was given the injury as part of a spiritual master plan, to nudge me out of one occupation and into another. But who knows, I'll just play the cards as they're dealt.

:devil: --- :rip_1: --- :innocent:

[number6]

Thanks, I appreciate it. It's funny that you used the term purgatory because I'm not a very religious person but I've seen my share of some weird stuff. Sometimes I think I was given the injury as part of a spiritual master plan, to nudge me out of one occupation and into another. But who knows, I'll just play the cards as they're dealt.

:devil: --- :rip_1: --- :innocent:

In a very vague way, I can see some parallels with my oun situation, so I think I understand. Here's hopin' it goes your way.

[Jay A. Kelley]

You know what I call people that buy items at a low price and sell them at a high price?

I call them smart.

It's not called show art.. It's called Show Business.

Each of us will make money (Or not make it) with RED in his own way. Lowkus plan is as valid as anyone else's.

Jay

[Mark B.]

I've been thinking about it, trying to put myself into the buyer's shoes, and I'm beginning to see some of your perspectives on things. One thing in particular... I've decided that, if you're picking up the camera in person, I'll take payment on the day you come to pick up the camera (accessories might need to be prepaid for, depending on how much you're ordering). For those who want delivery by mail carrier, I'll still must require payment ahead of time because I want the camera to keep moving to it's ultimate destination as quickly as possible.

I've also left the auction open longer, for various reasons (such as the off-chance of a change in shipping schedule). Hopefully this will make the purchase decisions a little easier for some of you.

http://www.BonPhotos.com/RedForSale.htm (http://www.BonPhotos.com/RedForSale.htm)

[number6]

I've been thinking about it, trying to put myself into the buyer's shoes, and I'm beginning to see some of your perspectives on things. One thing in particular... I've decided that, if you're picking up the camera in person, I'll take payment on the day you come to pick up the camera (accessories might need to be prepaid for, depending on how much you're ordering). For those who want delivery by mail carrier, I'll still must require payment ahead of time because I want the camera to keep moving to it's ultimate destination as quickly as possible.

I've also left the auction open longer, for various reasons (such as the off-chance of a change in shipping schedule). Hopefully this will make the purchase decisions a little easier for some of you.

http://www.BonPhotos.com/RedForSale.htm (http://www.BonPhotos.com/RedForSale.htm)

Lowkus, remember you stating that you have ordered two cameras... have you considered selling half interest in each camera to one individual? That should make the new half-ouner able to update the camera that was in their possession and give them entry into the RED ounership club. Might require a legal paper to set it up as a limited partnership, or whatever, to insure that neither party got slimed by the other's death or bankruptcy, whichever comes first.

Just thinking that this might make the camera more attractive to a "gotta have it now" buyer. You could always dissolve the partnership once you get the second camera.

[Mark B.]

Lowkus, remember you stating that you have ordered two cameras... have you considered selling half interest in each camera to one individual? That should make the new half-ouner able to update the camera that was in their possession and give them entry into the RED ounership club. Might require a legal paper to set it up as a limited partnership, or whatever, to insure that neither party got slimed by the other's death or bankruptcy, whichever comes first.

Just thinking that this might make the camera more attractive to a "gotta have it now" buyer. You could always dissolve the partnership once you get the second camera.

I hadn't thought about partnership as an option. I guess It could work well for certain scenarios, and if I only had one camera on order then I'd probably consider something like a partnership arrangement. But the two cameras I ordered will ship near one another (both are in the 700's), and I think I'll probably stick with just selling the one outright. There are all sorts of issues that can crop up in partnerships, they can get kind of messy when unforeseen things happen. Also, a lot of the interest in the camera has been coming from overseas, I'm not sure how well a partnership could be formed over such a large distance (physically and legally). In terms of the camera needing updates and whatnot, I am open to the option of doing the 1-year rent-to-own deal so that the new owner can get warranty coverage through me. It's messy and a bit inconvenient for everyone involved, but it's only for a year whereas a partnership usually has to last much longer.

I honestly am not sure that I need access to two cameras anyway. It's kind of funny (or sad, depending on how you look at it), back when I put in my order for the two cameras I really had no idea about film making. I figured you HAD to have two cameras to make a movie, in order to have good cuts between actors, and that using just a single camera would result in a home-video quality movie (albeit high-res). But now that I've read a bazillion books on filmmaking I've come to realize that single-camera setups aren't the end of the world. Plus, I can always rent another camera if I need to get some extra coverage. Most of the time it'll just be me and one camera anyway, and I think if I'd actually been able to afford to keep both cameras, one of them would have just sat on a shelf most of the time... it would have been a bit of a waste really. The only part about the second camera that I'll really miss is the potential for using it as an emergency backup if something goes wrong with the primary. But, again, rental cameras can help fill that emergency role.

[sbroock]

Lowkus, remember you stating that you have ordered two cameras... have you considered selling half interest in each camera to one individual? That should make the new half-ouner able to update the camera that was in their possession and give them entry into the RED ounership club. Might require a legal paper to set it up as a limited partnership, or whatever, to insure that neither party got slimed by the other's death or bankruptcy, whichever comes first.

Just thinking that this might make the camera more attractive to a "gotta have it now" buyer. You could always dissolve the partnership once you get the second camera.

It's actually a contribution to capital in exchange for a partnership interest -- which is a transfer of ownership -- so it wouldn't get around the current warranty issue.

[number6]

I figured you HAD to have two cameras to make a movie, in order to have good cuts between actors, and that using just a single camera would result in a home-video quality movie (albeit high-res). But now that I've read a bazillion books on filmmaking I've come to realize that single-camera setups aren't the end of the world. Heh, heh... luckily I don't read much so I'm still into multi-cam setups. Two different roads to the same destination, I guess. Good luck on your journey, and I'll just be satisfied with no bad luck on mine.:usd:

[Jeremy Teman]

I don't see anything wrong with what he is doing. I certainly don't think he will have any problem getting the amount of money he wants for the camera. If he finds someone that is interested before the camera is ready the buyer can figure out what accessories he wants.

I don't think it's "silly" whatsoever...

[Andrew Benz]

Thanks, I appreciate it. It's funny that you used the term purgatory because I'm not a very religious person but I've seen my share of some weird stuff. Sometimes I think I was given the injury as part of a spiritual master plan, to nudge me out of one occupation and into another. But who knows, I'll just play the cards as they're dealt...


Haha... yeah purgatory too me is an empty where nothing happens, not a fun place if you are used too being in the middle of the action.:wink:

I really feel you on the rest as well... please pm me anytime you want, I would enjoy getting to know you.

Good luck with your sale, take care my brother.

Andrew Benz

[Gary McClurg]

Interesting idea...

No problem with any one making money...

But here's what I see wrong with this type of deal...

1. No way to transfer ownership at this time...
2. No warranty...
3. No way to up date the camera if you don't have ownership.
4. So the seller retains ownership rights... so if the buyer needs an upgrade who's to say said seller comes back to us and says I need $100 bucks for the upgrade...

The partnership idea sounds the best... both cameras are purchased.... then once both owners have rights to one camera or the other... who's to say the partnership can't be broken up...

Just my crazy idea for the afternoon.

[Häakon]

The current forum section is labeled: Jobs/Equipment for Hire.
To be fair, the tagline for the forum says "Post Jobs and buy/sell/trade your equipment here."

Only Jarred can make a new forum; moderators can't, so you'll need to contact him directly if you want to get that handled. But really, I don't see what all the fuss over selling REDs is all about. I love my camera, plain and simple, and could never part with it... but for those who had the foresight to get in early and would rather use it to turn a buck, more power to them. I know I'd want to be able to purchase one today if I hadn't gotten in when I did...

[Mark B.]

I've gotten a bid that has made me consider closing the auction early, but I have been unable to get a confirmation email from the high bidder. Subsequently, RedOne #728 is still up for sale.

It's an interesting situation and it has gotten me to thinking... there are many reasons that could prevent that high bidder from getting back to me, but there's also the definite possibility that their bid wasn't serious and that they were just sending in some randomly high bid to kill time. Sadly, it wouldn't be the first fictional bid I've gotten during this auction. It's frustrating really, because those fake bids skew the numbers in a way that makes it tough for other bidders, and it makes things impossible for me when it comes to shutting down the auction early.

So, to prevent half-hearted bids from coming in, I'm modify the bidding rules. From here on out, bids are going to be non-retractable, bid values can't be lowered, and the winning bidder must send a non-refundable deposit payment immediately after the close of auction with the remaining balance due at pickup. It sucks that I have to add these rules but the way things are working I don't see any other way around it.

If these changes don't fix the problem, I might have to abandon selling it through my own site and :sick: put it on eBay instead.

[Finner]

I bid $150,000. My cheque for $75,000 is in the mail and you should get it some time next week.

[Mark B.]

I bid $150,000. My cheque for $75,000 is in the mail and you should get it some time next week.

Cool Finner, I'll keep my eyes open for it.

[Greg M]

dont hold your breath...Finner never sent the $30 bucks he owes for all my Hasselhoff Calendars.

[Finner]

dont hold your breath...Finner never sent the $30 bucks he owes for all my Hasselhoff Calendars.

It's in the mail.

[Mark B.]

Now I'm expecting $150,000 worth of Hasselhoff calendars to show up in the mailbox. Mounds and mounds of Hasselhoff calendars... :sick:

BTW, for those of you who have broken funny bones, Finner isn't really buying #728, it's still up for sale.

[Mark B.]

I added specifics on how to close the auction early for #728 (basically, I've identified a "buy it now" price). Info is on the web page... http://www.bonphotos.com/redforsale.htm (http://www.bonphotos.com/redforsale.htm)

[Rick Darge]

Daaa-zam!

Best of luck man! I hope you get that price!

[NEXTLEVEL]

Lowkus who do you think will buy it at twice the original price. We are not rich you know.

[Greg M]

I am eager to see the auction close early, so that I can focus my time and energy towards creative pursuits rather than auction management. If you bid $30,000 and then send me a non-refundable deposit of $15,000, I will close the auction early and you will be declared the winner. You can then pay the remaining $15,000 when you take ownership of the camera.


Good Luck

[Mark B.]

Lowkus who do you think will buy it at twice the original price. We are not rich you know.

It's not really double the price, double would have been $35000.

To be honest, I think there are lots of rich people looking at Red. Now, keep in mind my perception could be distorted because I live in an area of the super-rich and super-poor; Bill Gates, Microsoft, Boeing executives, Jim Jannard, etc. Anyway, look at some of the people currently shooting with the RedOne, and some of the people who are showing interest in it. If they aren't already rich, a lot of them have financial backers that would scoff at a paltry $30k. Obviously we aren't all rich, most of us aren't rich, but there are still a lot of rich people watching the RedOne developments as they happen, and they're on the edge of the pool waiting to dive in.

Besides, the cost for the camera is insignificant compared to what they're paying the actors these days. If the production has a deadline and signatures are already on paper, they're not going to slide shooting dates back by several months just to save a little money by buying the camera at the end of the queue. One day shooting with an 'A' list actor will cost more than $30k, that kind of puts things in perspective.

[Anthony Gratl]

It's not really double the price, double would have been $35000.

Okay you have the right to charge what you like of course, and I think you're a good guy Lowkus, but it is double what you paid for it if one counts the 2500 bonus that you're not including with the sale. Which I wish you good luck with!

[Joel Kaye]

Okay you have the right to charge what you like of course, and I think you're a good guy Lowkus, but it is double what you paid for it if one counts the 2500 bonus that you're not including with the sale. Which I wish you good luck with!

Remember the first RED on eBay went for $39000. 6 people bid over $30k.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

If he could even tripple his money all the better for him and for all Redusers.
It means our camera has value, I see no reason for whinning.

Emmanuel

[Anthony Gratl]

If he could even tripple his money all the better for him and for all Redusers.
It means our camera has value, I see no reason for whinning.

Emmanuel

whose whining? I was just being technical.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Well stop your technical whining then:)

[TriplePlay]

Please send an email if the bid is still open, and available.... David@tripleplaycom.net

[Mardi_Gras]

Well stop your technical whining then:)

LMAO!!!

[Martin Drew]

Lowkus

Reading through this thread it gives the impression that you reserved 2 cameras because you wanted to use 2 cameras but then fell on hard times so now you are selling one. But I thought you originally reserved the second body specifically to sell at a profit or have I got that wrong?

Incidentally I don't have a problem with you speculating at all. I hope you get maximum profit from the sale.

M

[Mark B.]

Reading through this thread it gives the impression that you reserved 2 cameras because you wanted to use 2 cameras but then fell on hard times so now you are selling one. But I thought you originally reserved the second body specifically to sell at a profit or have I got that wrong?

Incidentally I don't have a problem with you speculating at all. I hope you get maximum profit from the sale.

I ordered two of the camera bodies because I figured two cameras would be ideal for cutting different angles. When I put in my reservation, my sister-in-law was a wedding consultant and she told me that two cameras are the basic requirement for getting wedding videography jobs... that's what first got me thinking about getting the two bodies. Plus I figured having two bodies would help with rental scenarios since I'd be able to provide a backup body.

When I put in my order, I knew the RedOnes would be worth more than their retail price come shipping time, but my master plan wasn't to buy and resell them (hence I did not order five of them). I figure there are better ways to make money with the RedOne instead of reselling the camera. In particular, with the industry following RedOne development so closely, having a RedOne is a very good way to get instant attention for whatever project you're working on. For a few more months at least, the advertising/networking potential of using a RedOne will be like gold. But it doesn't take two cameras to get that attention, one will do fine, so I have to sell the second camera to keep my budget in line with my limited savings.

Martin, I think speculation is sometimes good too. Not so much if the person who's speculating has lots of money, because there's a point where capitalism has to step aside and let good ol' fashion generosity take it's place. But, yeah, for financially strapped people and for most of the other people out there who have to think about the bills, there's not much of an option except to spin the wheel, dance the system, and see what fortune will hand back.

[ShannonRawls]

I'm interested in buying your camera. I need a RED for work and I need one on display during the 2008 DV/HD Film Festival.

[Mark B.]

I'm interested in buying your camera. I need a RED for work and I need one on display during the 2008 DV/HD Film Festival.

Shannon, feel free to send me an offer using my webpage... http://www.BonPhotos.com/RedForSale.htm

For those of you who have had difficulty contacting me these last two days, I apologize. My email provider completely dropped the ball, their email servers crashed. I've been unable to get emails as a result, but I think they have the server situation corrected now, so if you've sent me any emails or bid submissions in the last two days please resend them and I'll respond as soon as I can.

Thanks.

[Mark B.]

Well, my apologies once again. It turns out my web hosting provider only had the problem fixed for a moment and then plunged back into the abyss of failure. I've started looking for a new host, so that if my current host doesn't get things working then hopefully I'll still have things up and running before the weekend.

I'll post word here once things have stabilized.

[Mark B.]

Camera has been sold. I thought the thread had died of old age but every once in a while someone seems to make me an offer. So I have to close this down officially.