Offhollywood beams RED over laser!! [Archive]

Mark L. Pederson

11-01-2007, 07:30 PM

Here's some pics from today - taken 52 stories directly above the Apple store on 59th Street, on the roof of the GM building.

Testing a few things out before a technology demonstration this Saturday and Sunday with a company called AOPTIX http://www.aoptix.com/.

Aoptix has a technology that allow the transmission of multiple streams of HD to be beamed point-to-point via laser. Ths will be used by NBC in the Beijing Olympics.

We'll be shooting some 4K footage of the Men's Marathon trials on Sat. and the NY Marathon on Sunday with BOND (Red #0007) from the roof of the GM Building using 800mm (400mm Canon + 2X) and beaming 720 HD-SDI over a laser to a truck on the other side of the park. Bond is one of many camera shooting the trials and the marathon - all beaming over a laser beam.

We went up today to check it out - and yeah, we'll be back with O'Connor 2060 and some solid Ronford legs - the wind BLOWS up there!!

Check out the shot of the LCD which shows the kids playing hockey in the park far below!!

Brook Willard

11-01-2007, 07:40 PM

That lens is definitely not big enough. Not at all.

Häakon

11-01-2007, 07:49 PM

You guys are doing awesome stuff with your camera... I'm jealous of all the fun you're having! :)

T. Glen Phelps

11-01-2007, 07:49 PM

That is truly inspirational!! I am looking forward to Birger mount so I can make use of my 400mm f/2.8L IS and 600mm f/4L IS (aka the Super Soul Sucker)

Jason Francois

11-01-2007, 07:53 PM

Damn, that's pretty sweet. I want a new life. :)

Corey Culp

11-01-2007, 10:40 PM

beamed point-to-point via laser.

As in wireless, Mark? From what you know about the technology, what is the maximum distance the PTP can go?

Mark L. Pederson

11-02-2007, 03:17 AM

As in wireless, Mark? From what you know about the technology, what is the maximum distance the PTP can go?

yes, I will get the exact info for you -

Tim Lüdin

11-02-2007, 03:34 AM

Man I just love New York. Don't tease me with that kinda pictures. I see you have a EVF. What's your opinion about it?

Thanks Tim

Jack Turits

11-02-2007, 03:44 AM

If I saw someone looking at me with that rig I would be scared shitless. RED looks like a super advance turret mounted laser canon!!

Tim Lüdin

11-02-2007, 03:52 AM

Yeah I thougt so too. Good that homeland didn't see you. The RED beast right in front of the empire state building. A stinger unit looks harmles in compare.

Crazy times.
cheers
Tim

Mark L. Pederson

11-02-2007, 04:31 AM

Man I just love New York. Don't tease me with that kinda pictures. I see you have a EVF. What's your opinion about it?

Thanks Tim

EVF is MUST, MUST, MUST, MUST have.

Fantastic. I have some feedback re: meters - just haven't had time to email the red team with them - but, yeah, once you go EVF - you will never go back -

Mark L. Pederson

11-02-2007, 04:32 AM

Good that homeland didn't see you.

oh, they did - security on this one was pretty damn serious.

Lots of guys dressed in black with earbuds.

Sanjin Jukic

11-02-2007, 04:53 AM

Even to get more closer with

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/Carl_Zeiss_Jena_Fern%23893C90.jpg
Carls Zeiss Jena 500mm f/8 M42+Nikon adapter+2X extender on RED Nikon F = 1000mm is extremely sharp lens vintage variant.

or go with new lens even more extreme like Leica Apo Telyt R Zoom 280-800mm because:
"This unique modular system covers the range from 280 to 800 mm, and, with the LEICA APO-EXTENDER-R 2x even up to 1,600 mm."

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/Leica_Apo_Telyt_R.jpg

LINK>> (http://www.leica-camera.us/photography/r_system/lenses/516.html)

How to mount this lens on RED?

Either you go Birger EOS RED mount+Leica R adapter

or

you order/rent P+S Technik Leica APO-Telyt PL Conversion because they make conversion from Leica R to PL mount.

http://www.pstechnik.de/images/img_optics-leica-apo-telyt.jpg

LINK>> (http://www.pstechnik.de/en/optics-leica.php)

LINK PDF INFO>>> (http://www.pstechnik.de/en/downloads/optics_Leica%20Modular%20APO%20Telyt.pdf)

And don't forget that quality of LEICA glass is definitely better than Zeiss, Cooke, Canon or what else.

Dalsa did some Leica R lens conversions for Origin recently and it's possible to rent those lenses too.

Mark L. Pederson

11-02-2007, 04:55 AM

Nice stuff Sanjin - the lens in the photos is Canon 400mm PL mount 2.8 - (then loose 2 on stops on 2X)

rented from Abel Cine Tech NY.

Sanjin Jukic

11-02-2007, 05:06 AM

Mark,

find P+S Technik Leica APO-Telyt PL Conversion to rent and you get 800mm without loosing any stop (especially for night shots).

FEDEX can ship you the lens from Europe overnight.

Call direct P+S Technik in München >>>+49 89 45 09 82 30

Mark L. Pederson

11-02-2007, 05:14 AM

Sanjin Jukic

11-02-2007, 05:52 AM

http://www.pstechnik.de/images/intl/intl_zgc.jpg
ZGC, Inc.

"ZGC, the professionals' choice for film and video equipment sales and service since 1984,
is the North American distributor for P+S Technik, Cooke Optics Limited, and Putora Sharpness Indicator Charts."

ZGC, Inc.

264 Morris Ave.
Mountain Lakes
New Jersey,07046
USA

Christine Brnic
Sales

973-335-4460
973-335-4560
sales@zgc.com

LINK>>> (http://www.pstechnik.de/en/intl_usa.php)

Sanjin Jukic

11-02-2007, 06:10 AM

One more alternative:

If you have possibility to get Birger EOS beta RED mount than you go to the first shop around a corner and get
Sigma 50-500mm APO-DG f4-6.3 and with 2x extender and you are already in 1000mm, but also loosing about 2 stops.
It also has manual iris control in Nikon F variant.

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/sigma50-500.jpg

Sigma 50-500mm APO-DG f4-6.3 a great telephoto lens for the buck.

LINK>>> (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3307&navigator=3)

Graeme Nattress

11-02-2007, 07:27 AM

I regularly shoot my Canon 500mm F4 with x1.4 and x2 extenders for 1400mm. It's great for moon shots: http://www.mbpgalleries.com/displayimage.php?pos=-4726

Graeme

Greg M

11-02-2007, 07:36 AM

EVF is MUST, MUST, MUST, MUST have.

Fantastic. I have some feedback re: meters - just haven't had time to email the red team with them - but, yeah, once you go EVF - you will never go back -

Yes, I am really struggling without one...I sure wish they would ship mine soon.

planet e

11-02-2007, 07:38 AM

mark, how did you mount the canon lens? with birger? or something else?

if you're going with a gun that big already, you should try the sigma 300-800mm--it's a gorgeous lens and it is razor-sharp, every bit as good as any of my canon L glass. not expensive, relatively speaking, and the 300-800mm range gives you a lot of flexibility.

it is so freaking cool to see how people are using these cameras. thanks for sharing this, it's awesome!

Sanjin Jukic

11-02-2007, 08:07 AM

It's Canon EOS to PL mount conversion.

LINK>>> (http://abelcine.com/store/product.php?productid=20059&cat=619&page=2)

Brent J. Craig

11-02-2007, 08:21 AM

Not to be a party-pooper here, but the ledge on that roof looks awfully low. Any crew member going within 8 feet of that edge should be tethered with a proper safety harness. It is the law here in Ontario and probably is in NY as well.

I know film shoots seem like fun, but they are still workplaces and are regulated as such. Be careful.

You should be able to rent harnesses from a good locations-supply house.

NO SHOT in the world is worth dying for.

Mark L. Pederson

11-02-2007, 08:54 AM

Babu Kantamneni

11-02-2007, 10:42 AM

You guys are doing awesome stuff with your camera... I'm jealous of all the fun you're having! :)

Same here.
have fun

Sanjin Jukic

11-02-2007, 10:49 AM

I regularly shoot my Canon 500mm F4 with x1.4 and x2 extenders for 1400mm. It's great for moon shots: http://www.mbpgalleries.com/displayimage.php?pos=-4726

Graeme

Graeme,

very nice moon shot!

http://www.mbpgalleries.com/albums/userpics/IMG_4945.jpg
Moon shot by Graeme Nattress.

Mark Thorpe

11-02-2007, 04:02 PM

NO SHOT in the world is worth dying for.Does that include Great White Shark stock?........Ken, guess we're shit outta luck mate.

Cheers,
Mark.

Sanjin Jukic

11-02-2007, 04:18 PM

Because of a very strong wing on the top of skyscraper I would definitely recommend use of the strongest fluid head fixed on something stronger than ordinary tripod.

My choice would be ARRIHEAD 2 with all those hand wheel controllers and jogbox.

http://www.arri.com/prod/cam/configuration_overview/manuals/sample/CO_310_2006_06_ARRIMOTION_STANDARD_CONFIGURATION.j pg

LINK>>> (http://www.arri.com/prod/cam/configuration_overview/manuals/html/9.html)

Just be aware of jumping image because if you have even a milimicron stressed movement of your
camera/lens at the big telephoto distances like 500m to 1.5 km it's about that moving image jumps like crazy.

chuck colburn

11-02-2007, 07:41 PM

There are some very very sharp refractor telescopes out there for those really far away shots. I know I know your more or less stuck with a given f stop but it's not like your shooting for depth of field anyways. lol The Questar mirror lenses have different adapters availble for them for cine work at prime focus.

Sanjin Jukic

11-12-2007, 05:13 AM

http://www.wildlightphoto.com/birds/podicipedidae/pbgr00.jpg
Shot by Douglas Herr (http://www.wildlightphoto.com/) in Sacramento Valley California
LENS: Leica Leitz 560mm f/6.8 Telyt-R

http://www.wildlightphoto.com/mammals/artiodactyls/btde02.jpg
Shot by Douglas Herr (http://www.wildlightphoto.com/)
LENS: Leica: Leitz 250mm f/4.0 Telyt-R

http://www.wildlightphoto.com/birds/trochilidae/anhu04.jpg
Shot by Douglas Herr (http://www.wildlightphoto.com/)
LENS: Leica Leitz 560mm f/6.8 Telyt-R

http://www.wildlightphoto.com/land/flbay.jpg
LENS: 90mm f/2.0 Summicron-R
Shot by Douglas Herr (http://www.wildlightphoto.com/)
Florida Bay Copyright (C) Douglas Herr
Everglades National Park, Florida

If you would like to to achieve the similar results with the same lens on RED than you should
use Leica R to EOS adapter on Birger RED Mount
or one of P+S Technik Leica R to PL convergion lenses.

Tim Fassnacht

11-14-2007, 10:16 AM

man i miss home

Álex Montoya

11-14-2007, 10:32 AM

Lol... that's a clever nick.

Corey Culp

11-28-2007, 08:05 PM

yes, I will get the exact info for you -

Hey, Mark. I had asked you about the maximum distance the Aoptix device could transmit, and you said you would look into it. Did you ever hear back about the specs?

Thanks!

Corey

Mark L. Pederson

11-28-2007, 09:15 PM

Hey, Mark. I had asked you about the maximum distance the Aoptix device could transmit, and you said you would look into it. Did you ever hear back about the specs?

Thanks!

Corey

over 100 miles. it's just nuts. but it doesn't like fog.

Corey Culp

11-28-2007, 09:58 PM

over 100 miles. it's just nuts. but it doesn't like fog.

Wow! That far?!? Holy ****! I work for NBC Network News in Burbank as Avid support. A couple of us go to each Olympics, though I may not go next August. I told them about your tests and they seemed really intrigued.

Thanks, Mark!

Mark L. Pederson

11-29-2007, 05:53 AM

Wonder where AOptix got the idea from?

it started with a technology their scientists created to view stars via telescope without the "sparkle" - or "flicker" - to be honest, it's all a bit over my head -

read this -

http://www.aoptix.com/aoptix_technology.html

kd5ftnnick

11-30-2007, 06:06 PM

On the topic of ridiculously long lenses, check out the Canon EOS 1200mm f/5.6:

http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/EF_Lenses/Fixed_Focal_Length/EF_1200mm_f56L_USM/

You'd have to know someone willing to let you experiment, since there aren't too many of these in production.

There's an interesting article on the 1200mm lens on a Canon XL1 Here (http://dvinfo.net/canon/images/images17.php)
With the small sensor size, and a 2x adapter, they were shooting with an effective focal length of 17280mm!!

--Nick

Matt Gottshalk

12-01-2007, 02:49 PM

That better be a gigawatt laser to cut through the crud that is the air "quality" in Beijing. :blink:

MikeHedge

12-01-2007, 05:38 PM

so you guys have one of the Birger Canon mounts? how's it working?

SalaTar

12-01-2007, 06:05 PM

turret mounted laser canon!!

and it is a canon

vinodkumar

01-01-2008, 12:55 PM

anyone tell my can i use my canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM lens with redcam? is that possible? with canon mount?

Alan Skinner

01-01-2008, 07:45 PM

anyone tell my can i use my canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM lens with redcam? is that possible? with canon mount?

I have that same lens so I would like to know best way to mount to RED.

Birger mount or PL conversion mount?

Thanks!

Pawel Achtel

04-21-2009, 02:49 AM

or go with new lens even more extreme like Leica Apo Telyt R Zoom 280-800mm because:
....

you order/rent P+S Technik Leica APO-Telyt PL Conversion because they make conversion from Leica R to PL mount.

http://www.pstechnik.de/images/img_optics-leica-apo-telyt.jpg

LINK>> (http://www.pstechnik.de/en/optics-leica.php)

Sanjin, you have wrong information. :icon_bs: P+S does NOT do the PL conversion of the Leica APO-Telyt anymore. This is what P+S told me when I wanted to get one: :angry:

The converter you found on our website is unfortunately not available anymore. The website showing it is normally offline and can only be reached via the search function

Sanjin Jukic

04-21-2009, 03:33 AM

Pawel,

the production of Leica R Lenses were discontinued in January 2009.

BTW if you would like to get one (discounted) now is a right time (BH or similar shops) and for the PL conversion you could still ask

(in the case that P+S Technik would "refuse" your special order) maybe the best

Les Bosher in UK (http://www.lesbosher.co.uk/), Duclos in US or a similar lens repair & conversion company...

Also as I remember well ZGC (owner of Cooke) as an official US agent for P+S Technik was selling it before too.

Maybe you could ask them too about a certain options to get it...

Pawel Achtel

04-21-2009, 03:39 AM

Pawel,

the production of Leica R Lenses were discontinued in January 2009.

BTW if you would like to get one (discounted) now is a right time (BH or similar shops) and for the PL conversion you could still ask

(in the case that P+S Technik would "refuse" your special order) maybe the best

Les Bosher in UK (http://www.lesbosher.co.uk/), Duclos in US or a similar lens repair & conversion company...

As I remember ZGC (owner of Cooke) as an official US agent for P+S Technik was selling it before too.

Maybe you could ask them too about a certain options to get it...

Thanks Sanjin, will ask around :beer: