Follow Focus For Red Camera

[Dreamitpictures]

I was doing a search for follow focus systems on Google and came across a company called Donan Camera www.DonanCamera.com. I sent them over an email to get some more information on the system, and found out that it is verry similar to the willytec system.

I was told that it is very modular and will break apart into many individual components and that there is various quick release brackets available so that the drive unit can be mounted above or below the lens. The system operates in both forward and reverse and the drive arm rotates 360 and can be used with nikon lenses.They have also designed at motor that plugs-in to the FF and gives you a remote focus option.

I was told that they are now taking pre-orders and will be shipping, the beginning of Jan and that the price is $2400.00. Not bad for what all that your getting. I went ahead and ordered mine, Ill make another post when it arrives. Steve

[Michael Schrengohst]

Does $2400 include the motor and remote focus?

[chuck colburn]

How do you reverse direction? Do you have to take it apart to do that?

[jaadgy akanni]

I've never liked the idea of mounting above-that's no-no for me. Did they say if you can use it in reverse without mounting above?

[Mike Prevette]

You pull it off the dovetail and mount the drive gear side to the dumb side in order to reverse direction.

_mike

[PaulClements]

I've never liked the idea of mounting above-that's no-no for me. Did they say if you can use it in reverse without mounting above?

I presume they're saying that by being able to reverse the drive you can mount it upside down and the focus puller then doesn't have focus backwards. Not that the follow focus must be turned upside down to reverse it.

Looks fairly decent. Still seems to be slightly too pricey for my liking. Given that it's a relatively new company with no history to go by.

Paul

[chuck colburn]

You pull it off the dovetail and mount the drive gear side to the dumb side in order to reverse direction.

_mike

That won't do. What if the puller can't or doesn't want to be on the other side?
Looking at the picture of the unit a little closer I see the word reverse printed upside down on the gear box which leads me to believe that you dismount that unit and turn it upside down to reverse direction. Still not as good as a reversable gear box. It's so simple and so obvious how to do it I can't believe it's not being done.

[Bruce Allen]

That won't do. What if the puller can't or doesn't want to be on the other side?
Looking at the picture of the unit a little closer I see the word reverse printed upside down on the gear box which leads me to believe that you dismount that unit and turn it upside down to reverse direction. Still not as good as a reversable gear box. It's so simple and so obvious how to do it I can't believe it's not being done.

I know! Well... at least these guys are:

http://waynekinney.iforumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=302&mforum=waynekinney

"Hi Bruce,

You will be able to unbolt and flip the gearbox the otherway, effectively reversing the direction of rotation."

Need to get some reliable reports on the follow focus next... first one is kinda confusing:
http://waynekinney.iforumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=376&mforum=waynekinney
variable play?!?! On the other hand I own Wayne's SGpro and think it is excellent.

Sorry, sorry, getting OT. Gotta check this DonanCamera thing out now! Thanks for the link!

EDIT: Did I just have another "idiot moment" again? You guys are talking about a solution in the gearbox that doesn't involve unbolting anything, right?

To make up for my sins, I emailed Donan Camera asking how their reverse system works.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[chuck colburn]

Hi Bruce,

But they are still saying you have to unbolt the unit and flip it the other way.

[Bruce Allen]

Confirmed: idiot moment. If I have enough of these, whenever you Google "idiot moment" my name is going to come up as #1.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Finner]

Finally some one new comes into the follow focus ring with a pro looking unit. That thing looks bang on. Hopefully it works as good as it looks. As for price it seems quite reasonable to me. Willy tech FF sell used for around $5,000 and it looks quite compareable. It would need a whip but other then that it really looks great. Someone should see if we get together a group if there is a deal to be had? Do they have working proto-types? We could test them at LART if they do.

[Adrian Correia]

Finally some one new comes into the follow focus ring with a pro looking unit. That thing looks bang on. Hopefully it works as good as it looks. As for price it seems quite reasonable to me. Willy tech FF sell used for around $5,000 and it looks quite compareable. It would need a whip but other then that it really looks great. Someone should see if we get together a group if there is a deal to be had? Do they have working proto-types? We could test them at LART if they do.

good idea sir...I concur

[Mike Prevette]

That won't do. What if the puller can't or doesn't want to be on the other side?
Looking at the picture of the unit a little closer I see the word reverse printed upside down on the gear box which leads me to believe that you dismount that unit and turn it upside down to reverse direction. Still not as good as a reversable gear box. It's so simple and so obvious how to do it I can't believe it's not being done.


My point was that the dumb side on the FF would become the hot side. So the AC would still be on the normal side.

But you are right, i looks as though it works just as you describe, just flip the gear unit over and remount.

_mike

[Finner]

Kind of suprisied more are not adding comments about this follow focus. It looks really good.

[Tim Lüdin]

Yeah Finner you are right, it looks damn solid. Would be cool if you could test it at the LART. 2400 bucks is ok, when it's realy good.
But an Arri FF-4 is around 3000 bucks. So a lot of people will just stick with the Arri because we all know the FF-4.

Hope that Donan is good. Could be an alternative.

Cheers
Tim

[jimhare]

I'd be into a group buy if someone checks it out and it's as good as it appears.

[PaulClements]

Sorry Finner, my reference to it being slightly overpriced was in line with what Tim said. At $2,400 why would people chose it over the ARRI? If it outperforms the ARRI then it is in a sense justifiable, but rental prices for an unknown product would in all likelyhood be less for a tried and trusted FF. Furthermore without any history of the company for servicing, pre-sales and after-sales it's hard to chose it over the ARRI.

I tend to think if they sold that at about half that price, they'd clean up and have a few hundred sales fairly easily from Red customers alone. It'd be in keeping with prices such as Curt's offerings.

One of the reasons these things are so expensive is because typically the market has been so small that making a decent return on time and effort requires it. With the amount of individuals buying a Red I strongly believe that market has been turned on it's head. A company like Donan with a new and decent product could certainly reep the benefit of tapping into the community by undercutting the current market model.

Possibilities of a group buy and getting one for LART are good ideas.

Paul

[Tim Lüdin]

Yeah Paul, the market got turned up side down with the upcoming RED. Cooke also tries to catch the REDtrain by bringen out "old" lenses with new RED logos on them. A lot of other companys do the same at the moment. They are right. There's a big RED potential out there.

Around 4000 RED cams in the next 10 month. That's alot of lenses, ffs, matteboxes etc.

Like Jim once said. If you build it, have a decent quality und price it right, people will buy it.

So I'm looking forward to some cool deals to come.

Cheers
Tim

[Volker Ehlers]

Though this looks promising I doubt big zooms will fit. The picture seems to present a 19mm rod adapter (hopefully) and the unit looks like it is rather high. Anyone in the know?

[Adrian Correia]

Though this looks promising I doubt big zooms will fit. The picture seems to present a 19mm rod adapter (hopefully) and the unit looks like it is rather high. Anyone in the know?

it certainly does look high....that could be a cause for concern.

[Mike Prevette]

It does look high, but it also looks like you can convert it to single sided and save some clearance on the bottom.

_mike

[Adrian Correia]

they got back to me today - price quoted was 2200.00 for the double-sided and 1900.00 for as single-sided version...online brochures will be available next week.

[jaadgy akanni]

Thanks Adrian.

[Bruce Allen]

They got back to me too RE reversing focus direction. Waiting for permission from them to repost their email.

EDIT: got permisison-

"Dear Mr Allen,

Thank you for your interest in our MH-FF Pro follow focus. The MH-FF Pro Reverses by allowing the user to mount just the drive unit upside down, not the whole system. You do this by unlocking the dovetail clamp on the quick release bracket, then flipping the drive unit over, and then rotating the drive arm 180 degrees, and then remounting the system on the dovetail.We are currently in the process of designing our product brochure, we should have have the brochure completed by early next week. We will also have our website up and running by early next week as well, the website will contain full pricing details, additional pictures, and a full technical breakdown on our products. Just, to give you an idea of the price. Our Studio configuration of the MH-FF Pro retails for $2200.00 USD, We also have a light weight, single sided configuration that will retail for $1900.00 USD. We will email you a brochure early next week when it becomes available, please feal free to email us with any other questions you may have.

Best Regards,

Spencer Duncan

Sales Coordinator
DONAN CAMERA CORP"

...and then he sent me a follow up email in response to me asking if I can post on reduser:

"Yes, of course you can. I can also provide you with a few more details about the system, to share with others.

The connecting rod in the center of the system, and the other side of the studio configuration are both removable, this will allow you additional clearance when using large diameter lenses.

Also, if you remove the Focus Knob OR the connecting shaft in the center of the system, you can plug-in a standard size speed crank or a whip, for a very light weight configuration.

The Gears that we use inside our Drive system, are precision anti-backlash gears that cost us $300 USD per set to manufactuer, so gear play has been minimized to provide a very secure feel when pulling focus.

The Drive unit Reverses the same way that the ARRI LFF-1 and the Willytec system Reverse, and is set up with the same type dovetail clamping mechanism.
"

Sounds promising! Can anyone who is smarter than me in this field (okay everyone ;) tell me why it is better than this system:
http://www.cavision.com/followfocus/singlewheelnew.htm
...adapted to dual wheels like this:
http://www.cavision.com/followfocus/dualwheel.htm

Donan one seems easier to reverse, no?

I agree with Chuck that a simple gearbox would be coolest, but unlike you guys I'm all Nikon for now, so I'll probably just put my FF in reverse and leave it there ;)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Mike Prevette]

Thats Great news!

As far as this compared to the Cavision stuff, I haven't played with the Donan so I don't know. But I do know the Cavision stuff I've used, and seen all looks like it was built by a highschool shop class. Not very tight, lots of backlash and play, doesn't feel rugged or well engineered.

_mike

[Adrian Correia]

Bruce - I asked him questions about the center rod getting in the way with bigger cine zooms and the amount of play in the knobs....looks like answers I like!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

The Donan is looking pretty good. Who's going to be the adventurous one to buy it first?

[albert rudnicki]

a group purchase?....maybe

[donatello b]

"Who's going to be the adventurous one to buy it first?"

that should be who's going to test it first ... seems with all the interest here that Donan would let somebody with a RED test out the FF ?
may be LART group ?? or RedNinja's ??

[Fredrik Callinggard]

The difference between the Donan system and the Cavision looks to me as if the Donan is built for Cine lenses (RED, Zeiss, Cooke etc). The Cavision is built for stills and video lenses (Fujinon, Canon). That's why it's not particularly sturdy.

fred

[Fredrik Callinggard]

As for a group buy on the Donan FF, I'm in, I've already asked them for a pre-order.

fred

[Stephen Williams]

Cooke also tries to catch the REDtrain by bringen out "old" lenses with new RED logos on them.
Tim

Hi Tim,

It's not as if you can buy a new Cooke lens set tomorrow, there has always been a long wait for S4's. Cooke can only produce a certain no of lenses a year so I don't think they will make any additional sales because of Red.

Stephen

[Steve Gibby]

"Who's going to be the adventurous one to buy it first?"

that should be who's going to test it first ... seems with all the interest here that Donan would let somebody with a RED test out the FF ?
may be LART group ?? or RedNinja's ??

We're on it...hopefully we'll get a few to test at LART (12/1 and 12/2). One more toy to play with will be very cool...

[Tim Lüdin]

Hi Stephen, sorry I didn't mean to bash cooke. I love them as you do. I think it's just funny, that they put RED Logos on lenses that are not new designs. For me that's jumping on the bandwagon. Not in a negative way. They are clever.

But some how people could think cooke designed these lenses specialy for the RED camera. It's just fun to see that a lot of well known companys are adjusting to the RED camera.

Cheers
Tim

[donatello b]

most sellers of PL /cine lens now know about RED and have raised prices on used lens ... i keep seeing "works with RED " on lens for sale on ebay & at used lens sellers web sites - they know it a sellers market and there is very little supply of used older PL lens and just about no supply of zeiss hi speeds , ultra speeds and no used supply of master primes & cookes S4's ...

so we have RED primes coming up ?? ..... optar illumina primes maybe coming up in march ? ... and we have elite 35 digital prime lens maybe next march/april too ( these are same as their S35 lens but they have a smaller lens barrel - i think they are 85mm vs 110mm ) and of course the elite S35 lens are available now ...

[chuck colburn]

Saw this on ebay. Don't know the company or the unit but it looks nicely done and probally is light weight. The mini-mag keychain light is clever. Before everyone starts up about belt drives being no good it's just not true. The "No-Slip" one used on this unit will work perefectly fine in this application. And if you don't like it, you could replaced it with a "Posi-drive" belt system which has zero backlash. Anyhow thought it might be of intrest to someone.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cinetech-Follow-Focus-w-Extras-Rare-Like-Arri-NR_W0QQitemZ220171684346QQihZ012QQcategoryZ3319QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Nils J. Nesse]

The Cinetech unit got a good review in the dv.com shootout (http://www.dv.com/reviews/reviews_item.php?articleId=196603447) (but they hold the rubber belt against it).

FreshDV has a video version of the test here (http://www.freshdv.com/2007/10/freshdv-reviews-five-follow-focus-systems.html).

BTW, I'm very happy with my Vocas MFC-1 follow focus.

[chuck colburn]

The Cinetech unit got a good review in the dv.com shootout (http://www.dv.com/reviews/reviews_item.php?articleId=196603447) (but they hold the rubber belt against it).

FreshDV has a video version of the test here (http://www.freshdv.com/2007/10/freshdv-reviews-five-follow-focus-systems.html).

BTW, I'm very happy with my Vocas MFC-1 follow focus.

Yeah he's also the guy who said the swivel arm was very unique. Comon that's how every serious unit is built. He also said he didn't know if the lash was in the gear box or the belt. If he had just grabbed the lower belt drive gear he could have figured that out in a heart beat. I don't think he knows very much about mechanical devices and would not trust what he has to say.

[Joel Kaye]

If he had just grabbed the lower belt drive gear he could have figured that out in a heart beat. I don't think he knows very much about mechanical devices and would not trust what he has to say.

And also he did seem to put an awful lot of pressure on the units to measure the amount of play. Not sure that's a great real world way to do it. Also I'd have to look more closely but the millimeter measurement thing he used appeared to be at different distances from the center of the rod... so wouldn't units that were measured further away from the center be unfairly judged vs. those that were measured near the center?

Overall it was nice to see the units in action. The Cinetech and Cavision looked nice. Watching the video made me take apart my RedRock and reverse the gear so my Nikons now focus the correct direction. Yay. The RR works well for the money and the wide gear is nice. That indiefocus looked like a disaster.

[Matthew Rogers]

Has anyone heard anything more about the Donan FF unit? Considering it looks like it will be $1,000-$1,200 less than the FF-4 unit, I'm sure there are many of us who are interested in it...

Matthew

[Mike Prevette]

Talked to them today. $1900-$2200, expected rollout late february.

[roryhinds]

any news on this?
there website is down so I'm guessing it was another 3D Render available on computer only type operation.

[Billywalsh]

Will this follow focus unit work with a 15 mm rod set up?

Also, has anyone had any luck with either ordering one or using one?

[donatello b]

i got a email from Donancamera friday ...
they said it will start shipping at the end of this month ...
they will not be at NAB .. they will be at CineGear LA in June ...
the FF will work with both 15 & 19mm ...

[M.Halsell]

Sounds like development hasn't been so easy. I understand RED needing time, at least they had a complicated device+conponents to build. But year and half for a follow focus, that has yet to even ramp up production! Sounds like a a lot more waiting.

[Billywalsh]

So what is the deal with these? Can they be ordered or are they not ready to be shipped yet?

They look sweet, plus it seems like a nice alternative to spending $3,600 on an Arri FF-4.

The only draw back seems to be the obvious lack review by users. Are there any other options aside from the Arri FF-4 that may be worth my while in looking into?

[Billywalsh]

Anyone know how to get in touch with these guys? Every email I send comes back as an invalid email address.

I have to say, not much info and not too impressive of a website for a company that is trying to enter the market and make a mark.

[Manolo S. Navazo]

this donan follow focus looks really nice and i like the option that you can plug in a motor for follow focus.

would like to see this follow focus on a camera with big diameter lenses. seems to me like the ff would get problems to mount. don't know it just looks in picture that is a lot of way from the rod-clamp to second mechanic. i have the feeling that there is not so much space between rods and lens.

[DAServices]

I have tried sending several emails for the last few weeks. I've failed to hear anything in return. Anyone else hear anything recently? Also, I'm looking at the Arri LFF-1, does anyone know the price? or have any experience?

[Johann Schulz]

I don't want to start a new thread as this one is appropriately titled, but I haven't got much out of reading all of these posts, dating back to the stone-age, as far as a RED ONE camera is concerned.

There seems to be something new that hasn't materialized, so Arri is the only, or at least the best, way to go; but we're looking at a cool three grand at least. Are there no other players besides one? - Donan camera: Nie Zei Na Li? What's up? Production coin ramping, same as Hyson? No digs here, I just want to know my options as a consumer. Time is money.

Redrock, a Godsend in product price/quality equations, have you any plans for marketing a RED ONE follow focus system? You seem to be so close, maybe just a few gears away...and if it markets at around $795 to compliment your MatteBox for the RED, I'm sure your factory's going to be on fire! Gears for the RED lenses, a motor option, I don't know, but I hope. I've just been so spoiled with what to expect by the RRMM! I've sent you a querry about this but haven't had an answer.... Cheers!

[Marc Berger]

Hi Stephen, sorry I didn't mean to bash cooke. I love them as you do. I think it's just funny, that they put RED Logos on lenses that are not new designs. For me that's jumping on the bandwagon. Not in a negative way. They are clever.

But some how people could think cooke designed these lenses specialy for the RED camera. It's just fun to see that a lot of well known companys are adjusting to the RED camera.

Cheers
Tim

The idea behind was not a new Lens Design. It´s just a better deal (like a group purchase).
Cheers
Marc

[Johann Schulz]

So long and still NOTHING ON THE FOLLOW FOCUS Options!!!

[Johann Schulz]

So this is what I've got on the RRFF unit: Brenda Baugh got back to me today and notes that their FF unit does in fact work with the RED ONE, but you'll need to get the 19mm to 15mm rod adapter from RED to attach it. Has anyone got this unit up and running? Does it fare as well as the mattebox in relation to the competition? It's the same price, I believe, as the mattebox.
And there you have it, a marriage made in heaven, for $1500! (Plus this, that and another thing, as usual...). :>)

[Pete Wallington]

Yes with the 15mm adapter, you can mount the Redrock FF on the red camera, but you can't use it with the 18-50mm red zoom lens. The gear box on the FF is too big and blocks the wheel from reaching the len's focus barrel.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Yes with the 15mm adapter, you can mount the Redrock FF on the red camera, but you can't use it with the 18-50mm red zoom lens. The gear box on the FF is too big and blocks the wheel from reaching the len's focus barrel.

it works with the 18-50 no problem.

[Johann Schulz]

It seems you're both talking about the same lens I've ordered, my workhorse. And the same followfocus unit by Redrockmicro. But one of you could piss a simple storyteller off. Go on posts?

[Pete Wallington]

Ok, so what am I doing wrong!

Can I get a pic of your Redrock FF being used on your Red 18-50?

[Johann Schulz]

Pete1801, I'm not knocking you, I'm in the same boat. So let's see. BTW, the company REP says it works, and we've got some backup here, so lets just see what you're missing and I'll learn from it. (I mean, we'll...) ;>)

[Johann Schulz]

BTW, you can imagine that the operative words are, "it works...NO PROBLEM!"

[Pete Wallington]

Don't worry, wasn't taking any offence from anything, I'm equally excited to find out that it works!
I was excited for my 15mm adapter to arrive so I could mount the FF, only to find that there was no way to make the wheel reach the focus ring. I was obviously doing something very wrong, but can't see how, so really eager to find out!
Looking forward to hearing more details from those who've done it successfully

[Pete Wallington]

I just found the thread I'd been looking for - http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3578&page=3

This reduser is having the same problem as me. Perhaps the larger Drive gear is needed, and Zakaree already has one?

I look forward to clarification from somebody with experience.

[C.H.Haskell]

Any updates on this follow focus, I am in a pinch for a system asap.

[zak forrest]

I'm most likely going to get the Redrockmicro Follow Focus for the Red. Using it with Zeiss Superspeeds, the Red 18-50, and some Angenieux 16mm Zoom lenses. What do I need to purchase to make the Redrock work smoothly with all my lenses and Red camera? Just the basic package? Do I need a particular gear? I have the Nikon mount so the extra lens gears will come in handy, but I just want to make sure I get the right stuff to make it work with my Zeiss lenses..

I emailed Redrock about this but would like to see what the forum brings too

[C.H.Haskell]

I definitely recommend getting gear rings installed no matter what FF unit you end up working with. Brian also had some larger gears for the REdrock FF at cinegear and I would recommend this as well cause I find the redrock gear box getting in the way when working with the 18-50.

I just emailed these Donan guys as well...I need a FF that has a reverse idler gear option for using on Nikon lenses.

[Johann Schulz]

There are definite options on the gear rings, three sizes I believe. And packages available, but I'm still figuring out which ring/gear will work with the RED 18-50mm lens, smooth as butter. After that, I'll be another $750 lighter!

Of course the RED 15mm Rod adapter, ordered direct from RED, is needed for this FF rig to work.....

[C.H.Haskell]

Yes you will need a 15mm adaptor which I also got from RED, only problem with that is it limits how far back you can slide the FF unit on the rails, some lenses I could not slide the FF back far enough to line up with the gear ring on the lens. I will take pics to show my set up.

You do not need a gear ring for the RED 18-50 as it has them already built into the body, I just recommend getting a larger gear wheel for the RR FF.

Chrosziel has a very simple adaptor to adapt there MBs from 15mm to 19mm...cost about 300 bucks but this should do the trick as well. Or if you have the RED 15mm adaptor you could pick up some very short rails from Zacuto for example and that would also work.

[Johann Schulz]

Thanks again, Clay.

But I must say, take your pick: their, there, or they're?

[zak forrest]

I think I'm confusing the ring that you wrap around the lens with the actual gear that is on the follow focus unit. I thought at first this meant that for the Red Zoom you would need a larger gear on the follow focus unit, but if it actually means I need to wrap the Red Zoom with one of those gears I am disappointed. I don't want to wrap gears around anything except for STILL lenses.

clarification?

[Johann Schulz]

Sorry, I believe it's the FF unit, but I've seen so many varying pics, I'm a bit confused myself. As Clay says, the 18-50 already has it built in, so the gear in question lies upon the FF unit in this case....

[C.H.Haskell]

You do not need a gear ring for the RED 18-50, It is built on. The RedRock FF will work with their RED 18-50mm as long as your using a 15mm setup, other wise you will need to adapt it to your 19mm setup. (unless brian decides to make an adaptor himself?)

The limitation is in regards to this particular combo (RedROck ff + RED 18-50mm) is when my AC needs to flip FF unit on the other side of the camera, the gear box on the FF is now in the way of the RED lens hood and a quick solution would be getting a slightly larger gear for the RR FF.

Hope this clears things up...sorry for my spelling errors, I am operating under little sleep while doing post.

So these donan guys vanished or what?
donancamera.com/ (http://donancamera.com/)

[Johann Schulz]

Clay, you're always posting at your best, no matter what! Thanks. And why do I say this? Because you push knowledge forward with each post. It's as simple as that! I learn when I read you.

Just to beat a dead horse one more time: You've got the RED Base Production Kit hugging your RED ONE Camera. You've got the 18-50mm RED Lens in the socket. You've got the Redrock Mattebox kit attached to your 19mm rods, hugging the lens like you'd like to hug your local bar slut while no one's looking. Under this you've got the RED 15mm adapter attached to the RRFF kit with the FF wheel in plain sight for marking, smooth as silk, on the left side?....

[Zakaree Sandberg]

I bought 3 of these.. for 70 each.. looks like price went up.. but it works like a charm...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Adaptor-15mm-to-15mm-Bridge-plate-adapter-for-Arri_W0QQitemZ180267143915QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3319Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp163 8Q2em118Q2el1247

[C.H.Haskell]

Hey Johann, yes that about sums it up.

What Zakaree just posted above from ebay should work perfect with the Redrock FF as long as it is adapting 15 to 19mm. (thanks for posting Zakaree) This is exactly what chroszeil makes and last time I was able cine it cost over 300 bucks, no thanks....so even at 100 bones its a much better deal. I just ordered one...but why does it say 15mm to 15mm?

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Guy's is it red 15mm adapter will do the same result ?

[Finner]

I just ordered one...but why does it say 15mm to 15mm?

Because it is an adapter that changes 15mm rod size offset studio 100mm distance to 15mm rod size video 60mm distance or vice-versa.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

what Darren said.. the particular one i posted is a 15-15.
here is the 19-15

http://cgi.ebay.com/19mm-to-15mm-Bridge-Plate-Adapter-for-Arriflex-Aaton_W0QQitemZ120285235052QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3005 9QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1 638Q2em118Q2el1247

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Guy's is it red 15mm adapter will do the same result ?

YES/NO
it will adapt the 19-15.. however you will still need 15mm rods..

what i posted is a way around using short rods..

[Pete Wallington]

How does this set up save you from using short rods Zakaree?

[Zakaree Sandberg]

because the top portion of this unit is 15mm.. so your FF or MB would just slip right over that as if it was the rods.. except its only an inch in length..
its perfect

[Zakaree Sandberg]

here you go..

[Zakaree Sandberg]

ok.. i decided to not be lazy and took some really lazy pictures of the set up.. here ya go..

REMEMBER: my set up is 15-15.. but you can find the 19-15s in the link i posted earlier.

[Pete Wallington]

Genius.

Ok, thanks a lot Zakaree

[Johann Schulz]

Seconded!

[C.H.Haskell]

Yes, that simply what it does...a RED universal mount with 15mm adaptor can achieve similar results if you used very short rods but I recommend this unless you need to adapt lots of 15mm stuff...this is also cheaper.

[Johann Schulz]

Dang! I was just going to order the 19 to 15 adaptor and then order the RRFF set, but the adaptor is no longer available from ebay. Any other place to get it? (I just ordered an extra universal and the 15mm adaptor from RED just in case).

[Lewis-M Soucy]

Anyone has news on the Donan Camera FF? Weren't they supposed to start shipping in January?