Redrock microMatteBox shipping news

[Brian Valente]

Hello everyone

We have shipping news on the microMatteBox. This matte box has exceeded our already high expectations, and we believe this product will change the game in what you can expect from a mattebox in this price range or anything close to it.

We encourage you to read all of the following details.


Shipping Schedule

The microMatteBox will be released in two phases. The first phase will be a limited release of 50 microMatteBoxes, and is targeted for delivery in late December of this year. The second phase will be a general release that will cover most if not all of the remaining reservations, and will subsequently be generally available for ordering and purchase. The second phase is targeted for availability in the January/February timeframe.


Reservation holders & confirming your reservation

On November 14th (next wed) we will contact the existing microMatteBox reservation holders in the order we received the reservation. Reservation holders will have the opportunity to confirm their reservation by placing a $100 deposit, which will be applied in full to the microMatteBox price when it is released. Each reservation holder will be given 4 days (96 hours) to respond and confirm his or her reservation by placing the deposit. If the reservation holder declines, or we do not hear from you within that timeframe we will move on to the next reservation holders, until the 50 reservations with deposits are filled. Each deposit will receive a unique reservation number.

A note on delivery dates and product specifications

Assuming everything goes as planned, the first shipment of the microMatteBox will hit in December: “assuming everything goes as planned”. If we encounter any production hiccups it may result in a shipping delay. We will not compromise the quality of the microMatteBox, and therefore the ship date is subject to change. If you have a production and you need the matte box by a specific date, do not place a confirmed reservation.

We will provide regular updates to reservation holders on production status and the shipping schedule until the microMatteBox is released.

Also, we present the product specification as it currently stands, but it is subject to change (a standard disclaimer for any product that has not yet been released). In general, if things are to change, it will most likely be an improvement.


Introductory Pricing

We are putting the finishing touches on the pricing, so will publish the final pricing on Nov 14th. We should around our original target pricing. The base configuration will include:

· Lens shade
· Three rotating filter stages
· Three filter trays that will support 4x4 or 4x5.65” filters. Future filter trays will be available for larger filter sizes
· French Flag
· One 16:9 matte

Side wings and an additional flag (for bottom) will be offered as add-on options, available in the same timeframe.

We have updated the microMatteBox page on our website to reflect the latest product information. Prior to sending out the notice we will have an updated FAQ with answers to common questions we receive between now and then.

The microMatteBox web page can be found at http://www.redrockmicro.com/microMattebox.html

[Larry McKee]

Thanks Brian. Can't wait to see what you guys have created.

[Cail Young]

If we encounter any production hiccups it may result in a shipping delay. We will not compromise the quality of the microMatteBox, and therefore the ship date is subject to change. If you have a production and you need the matte box by a specific date, do not place a confirmed reservation.

Well you guys are clearly a scam :P

Looking forward to seeing some reviews!

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

i am very pleasesd with Brian Valente news i hope my name will be through
the first 100 .

[Steve Gal]

It doesn't mention if there will be additional brackets for 15mm and 19mm baseplate configuration. Just looks like the 15mm mini rod option only.

Steve

[PaulClements]

Hi Steve,

At launch only the 15mm will be available. I have asked Brian to consider manufacturing a seperate 19mm arm that could be bought at a later date and the owner could replace themselves. He has said that this would be possible though whether they decide to go that route is unknown, I guess it depends on demand.

Paul

[Michael Schrengohst]

Yes, 19MM option - please.

[Dominic Jones]

I'm sure you could have someone fabricate a 15mm-19mm adapter to allow direct use on 19mm systems - it'll add a little weight of course, but then if you're shooting lightweight I'd imagine you'd be on the 15mm system anyway.

SRB will definitely sort you out if you're UK based (Paul!), if RR don't go the 19mm route, or you simply need one sooner than they provide one...

[Chris Gearhart]

Yeah, the 19mm would be very desirable. Thanks, Brian--looking forward to seeing these.

[jaadgy akanni]

i am very pleasesd with Brian Valente news i hope my name will be through
the first 100 .

I'm sure I'm the first 50..yippee kayee!!! (without the "m" word)

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'm sure you could have someone fabricate a 15mm-19mm adapter to allow direct use on 19mm systems

19mm to 15mm adapters are common fare. RED offers one as part of their accessories so you can mount 15mm gear with your RED One. I don't see a big issue here.

[Dominic Jones]

Sure thing Jeff - I was just suggesting that one could be built to specifically modify just the RR MB to 19mm, thereby avoiding having a dual set of bars for those wanting to use primarily 19mm equipment, hence the "direct use" bit. Sorry if I wasn't very clear!

But I agree completely - it's not a major issue...

[Michael Schrengohst]

Yes, RED does have the adapter. I just wanted a cleaner set-up
as Dominic suggested.

[Eric Edwards]

Will this mattebox handle all the red lenses that will be available?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Understood, Dominic (and Red Guy).

Actually, this came up once before about 19mm mounts right on the RR mattebox. We'll see what happens. I agree that having an integrated 19mm mounting option would be more convenient.

[Dominic Jones]

Yes, I remember some conversation about that a while ago, but I'm not sure any firm outcome came of it - it certainly sounds like RR are considering the possibility of a "native" 19mm mount for the MB - I guess it's simply a case of how much demand there is for it from their end. Time, as always, will tell!...

[Brian Valente]

When you receive a reservation notification, please let us know if you are a Red owner (or future owner :) ) and we'll keep track of the interest in 19mm

Thanks

Brian

[Dominic Jones]

Nice work Brian - good to see you here mate!

:)

[Brian Valente]

Hi Dominic - thanks. Don't be a stranger :)

Brian

[HD Hildebrand]

When can we see pictures? Seen some renders on the Redrocks site, but there have been many references that it has changed and improved. Really want to see how it mounts (on rods) and if it can also mount directly to lens. Also hoping there are more aluminum components. The render looks a little plasticy (is that a word). Hoping the end product is a touch more refined - though it is looking promissing.

[David Mutchler]

I'm receiving two red cameras. I'd like 19mm MB mounts.

[Brian Valente]

planetearth -

we are working on those, but just to be clear those are pictures of the microMatteBox proto on our website - those aren't renders. That version was printed using our 3D printer, so the final version is more refined (i.e., no lines, etc.)

Brian

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

When you receive a reservation notification, please let us know if you are a Red owner (or future owner :) ) and we'll keep track of the interest in 19mm

Thanks

Brian

HI Brian hope iwill be one of those 100 overseas old customers.:weight_lift:

[Paolo Tinari]

what about the remote follow focus?

[Samuel Doyle]

Well done Brian,

looks like a great unit, it will go on the christmas shopping list.


S

[Brian Valente]

Hi Bassam - good to hear from you :)

The announcement is just for the microMatteBox. the microRemote is next up, due for an announcement, but of course in a different thread


Brian

[Dominic Jones]

Hi Dominic - thanks. Don't be a stranger :)
Would I?! I'm still popping in to the RR forums when I get a chance, don't you worry!!

[Elizabeth Lowrey]

Great to hear this announcement, Brian. I signed up for a reservation and look forward to getting all the product details. Looks like it will be a terrific value.

And count me as among those who would LOVE native 19mm mounting option.

[Paolo Tinari]

Hi Bassam - good to hear from you :)

The announcement is just for the microMatteBox. the microRemote is next up, due for an announcement, but of course in a different thread


Brian


good, good, good.

[albert rudnicki]

Hi Brian, glad the MB is finally going to see the daylight.
Cheers to that!
Albert

[Tonaci Tran]

native 19mm please.. especially since you are also catering to red owners.

[Ken Willinger]

you can put me on the 19mm bandwagon.

[Paul Hazlett]

I have a RRMB on reserve and a Red so 19mm would be my choice Mr. Valente!

[Mike]

Hi Brian,

I have tried reserving sometime ago and there no email was sent to me to confirm my reservation, and I emailed you a few weeks ago and there was no reply, I am wondering what I should do to reserve one.

[Brian Valente]

Mike

The original email reserve list did not send a confirmation, so if you signed up you are on it. If anyone needs to place a reservation you can do so here:

http://www.redrockmicro.com/res/0407/rr_res/magic.php

We are in the process of moving the reserve list to a better list server so you have confirmation, etc.

[Larry McKee]

We are in the process of moving the reserve list to a better list server so you have confirmation, etc.


That would be very cool. Thanks.

[Yean Loon]

native 19mm please.. especially since you are also catering to red owners.

doesn't red have a 15mm base as an option? so it really isn't a problem catering to red users, rite??

[Larry McKee]

Right. Since I don't see a need to buy another follow focus unit, that's the path I will follow. But if somebody plans to buy/use a FF set up for 19mm rods, then having a matte box to match would be nice.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Mike

The original email reserve list did not send a confirmation, so if you signed up you are on it. If anyone needs to place a reservation you can do so here:

http://www.redrockmicro.com/res/0407/rr_res/magic.php

We are in the process of moving the reserve list to a better list server so you have confirmation, etc.

hi
I remmember that redrock announced for mattebox reservation around one year ago and it send us emails for reservation ?
me and others did our reservations i think since that do we need to do it again ?
are we lost our place in the waiting line ?

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Mike

The original email reserve list did not send a confirmation, so if you signed up you are on it. If anyone needs to place a reservation you can do so here:

http://www.redrockmicro.com/res/0407/rr_res/magic.php

We are in the process of moving the reserve list to a better list server so you have confirmation, etc.

Brian :
If you (redrockteam) considering something about 15 mm to 19 conversion and adaptors to suite your products for RED
will think about RRFOLLOW FOCUS TOO.. to find something for it ..?

[Dexter Gregoire]

Someone please help me understand something.

The Rods that come with the RED Production Pack are 19mm Rods, Correct?

So does that mean I need to purchase an adapter from RED to be able to mount the RedRock Mattebox? Do I also need 15mm Rods to complete the installation?

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Someone please help me understand something.

The Rods that come with the RED Production Pack are 19mm Rods, Correct?

So does that mean I need to purchase an adapter from RED to be able to mount the RedRock Mattebox? Do I also need 15mm Rods to complete the installation?

double check this thread
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5753

and
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=101367&postcount=60

[Dexter Gregoire]

Thank-You Bassam.
Yes, Red Production Pack are 19mm Rods.
Yes, Red has an adapter to 15mm Rods and
Yes, I also need to purchase 15mm Rods to complete installation of RedRock Mattebox.

Please correct me if I'm wrong or missing something.

[Obin Olson]

would LOVE to know my place in line... :)

[Mike Prevette]

Is the redrock light weight 15mm or studio 15mm?

[Adam C Lubkin]

Another Red owner vote for both 15mm and 19mm options.

[Dominic Jones]

Is the redrock light weight 15mm or studio 15mm?
It'll be lightweight 15mm, all their other products are...

[Tonaci Tran]

doesn't red have a 15mm base as an option? so it really isn't a problem catering to red users, rite??

I'd prefer to not deal with adaptors and since RED cam is based on 19mm, might as well have an option for 19mm.

[Sam Druckerman]

19mm works for me as well.

[Paul Leeming]

19mm for me too. Have sent a reservation request, thanks.

[MikeHedge]

wow.... great thread... we got some REDNinjas here.... I would be interested in this Mattebox. ( as another solution would be much more costly.) I would want the 19mm rod option....

question: who wants it with 15mm? It seems like if it were being created for RED users as the main market, wouldn't it be build from day 1 with 19mm as the standard?

or is this build for cine style shooting with Z1U/HVX200 DVX etc.....?

Hedge

[Dominic Jones]

question: who wants it with 15mm? It seems like if it were being created for RED users as the main market, wouldn't it be build from day 1 with 19mm as the standard?
Indeed, but it hasn't been built primarily for the Red system - it's been built to work on a fairly complete range of systems, including Broadcast/ENG, and of course the Redrock M2-based systems - all of which use the lightweight 15mm standard of rods - so that's where the 15mm choice comes from.

Also, you can convert a 15mm accessory to 19mm, but not the other way around (or at least not as easily and certainly not with all/most existing 19mm kit) - so that's also a sensible decision for all-round compatibility...

[HD Hildebrand]

Indeed, but it hasn't been built primarily for the Red system

True, but on an email from RedRock on July 8 to all reservation holders - here is one of their headers:

"Full Support for Red Camera

Many of these features adds up to a great conclusion for Red Camera owners: the microMatteBox is a great accessory for your Red camera, whether you use nikon lenses, PL-mount cinema lenses, or the Red lenses - in fact lens sizes up to 156mm in diameter. The added swing-away and spring-loaded metal filter holders will be welcomed additions to your 4K cinema package based on the Red One."

I like the light weight concept of this mattebox, so consider this another vote for 19mm rods to avoid 19mm to 15mm converter, more rods and more weight.

Also, I mentioned concerns over plastic on a previous post - guess my main concern is the swing away arm. If it is plastic it is light, but often plastic ends up being bulky and not solid enough to support filters or in a windy environment. I hope this particular component is aluminum. If so, Redrock may hit a homerun on this unit.

[Brian Valente]

yep - the arm is aluminum as are the filter trays. We heard folks loud and clear at NAB this year

Brian

[Tonaci Tran]

When you receive a reservation notification, please let us know if you are a Red owner (or future owner :) ) and we'll keep track of the interest in 19mm

Thanks

Brian

Hi Brian, just a suggestion that may require more trouble than it is worth but a "15mm or 19 mm" preference check box for your reservation page may make it easier to gauge 19mm version interest for those who are newly making reservations. As for those who already reserved, an email memo for people to respond with their preference for 19mm might be a good idea too since not everyone will catch this thread.

Thanks so much for listening.. if it turns out as good as I think it will, you will have an influx of red owners coming your way.

[HD Hildebrand]

yep - the arm is aluminum as are the filter trays. We heard folks loud and clear at NAB this year

Brian

That's great - now I want to buy your mattebox solely for listening and working with your customers (oh, having a worthy mattebox is kind of important too I suppose). :biggrin:

Thanks Brian - this sounds really good!

[Omnius]

Thanks Brian

I sincerely believe that the mattebox system which you will be offering will be of a much better quality than anything such as Cavision will have to offer, not to mention that the sales team at Redrock have always offered such great customer service.

For the price and quality of what Redrock is offering I don't see why anyone would want to go anywhere else for a Mattebox system.

Personally, we'll be keeping the "Red"rock with our REDS :-)

[John V]

Unless it is a RED mattebox

[Darwin]

How many reservations have been put in? I have high hopes for this MB

[Larry McKee]

Darwin, I asked the same question on the Redrock forum. Brian's answer was "More than 50. :)"

Hopefully they have enough to make it a profitable product for them.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Hey Brian,

glad to hear these news about the upcoming release of your MB, better then what I play with at Cinegear? Great!!

Now I just wonder if I did made the reservation for them, and as I need 3 for RED #349, #851 and #852, I also wonder if they are allowed in the same reservation, but anyway a would not like to get the MB before I get my RED's and take away the possibility for some one else that already has a RED, to get your MB on it.

Best of lock with this new product, I have a filling you will have hard time keeping up with the deliveries, this MB will be hot on any ones list.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Omnius]

Unless it is a RED mattebox

Too True

[Brian Valente]

Hi everyone

Two quick clarifications. For the first 50 the microMatteBox reservation is limited to one matte box. We've already been asked if a reservation can count as 5 so it would put a lot of people out if one person received that many.

Second, I believe we have said this before, but just so everyone knows, we are giving away five free microMatteBoxes from the reserve list. Our way of saying thanks for your patience.


Brian

[Dan Blanchett]

Second, I believe we have said this before, but just so everyone knows, we are giving away five free microMatteBoxes from the reserve list. Our way of saying thanks for your patience.

Awesome. Will this be a random drawing or the first 5 reservations?

[Brian Valente]

Random from the entire reservation list

Brian

[Larry McKee]

Didn't know about the giveaway. You guys ROCK!

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Redrockteam always doing surprises i remmember once i asked for one tools key missing form my set ..
They have send me whole set free
and then they have send me one focus gear free too (dont forget shipping coast overseas)..:w00t:

[Brian Valente]

Redrockteam always doing surprises i remmember once i asked for one tools key missing form my set ..
They have send me whole set free
and then they have send me one focus gear free too (dont forget shipping coast overseas)..:w00t:

Bassam - Well, we try, but for you it's also because you posted the greatest "I just received my redrock package" footage ever :)


Brian

[M Olsen]

19 MM native gets my vote also.

[Adam Jeal]

19 MM native gets my vote also.

Same here!

[Alexander Nikishin]

Second, I believe we have said this before, but just so everyone knows, we are giving away five free microMatteBoxes from the reserve list. Our way of saying thanks for your patience.


Brian
Now that's customer service! :greedy:

[Paul Hazlett]

Hi everyone


Second, I believe we have said this before, but just so everyone knows, we are giving away five free microMatteBoxes from the reserve list. Our way of saying thanks for your patience.


Brian

thats great Brian thanks!! just send mine to the home address you have!!

[Brian Valente]

:blink:

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Bassam - Well, we try, but for you it's also because you posted the greatest "I just received my redrock package" footage ever :)


Brian :mail1:

Wooooow,,,you still remmember it was very happy day of my life when i waited 2months for REDROCK35mm adapter now for Mattebox and sooner for RED
THANKS a lot.. :sorcerer:

[HD Hildebrand]

Appreciate the swing-away option. Is there any way to also get a clamp-on option for this mattebox? It would be good for some run-n-gun, steadicam, crane shots and confined shooting.

[JoshBertrand]

Thank-You Bassam.
Yes, Red Production Pack are 19mm Rods.
Yes, Red has an adapter to 15mm Rods and
Yes, I also need to purchase 15mm Rods to complete installation of RedRock Mattebox.

Please correct me if I'm wrong or missing something.

I'm easily confused on the smaller doo-dads in the Red Store, but Red doesn't make 15mm rods, right? So where are you guys planning on buying yours? Redrock has 15mm aluminum rods ($75 for a 9" pair). From what I've gathered, to use the Redrock on the Red, we'll need the RED 15mm adapter ($95), a RED Universal mount ($125) and a pair of 15mm rods ($75 for the Redrock 9" set). So that's an extra $295. Do I have that right?

If that is the case, Brian please offer a 19mm version. I'll even pay extra for it, just so I don't need to assembled as many pieces all the time.

[mikeburton]

19mm for me too please!!!!

[donatello b]

today is wednesday ...anybody in the 1st 50 ?

[Dexter Gregoire]

I didn't get an e-mail yet.

I hope Brian Valente is on his digital printer figuring out the plastic pieces to mount on 19mm Rods. Made in China $3.00.

[Brian Valente]

Hang on guys - haven't sent the info out yet - we'll have some news of interest to you all as well


Brian

[Michael Schrengohst]

I did get an e-mail the other day.
Thanks

[Brian Valente]

Just to be clear - we sent an email that was a repeat of what we previously posted here - I know it's unthinkable but there are folks who don't frequent the forums as much as us, so it's for their benefit. There is an update coming out today - THAT is the one that hasn't yet gone out

Brian

[Dexter Gregoire]

Chuck, Thank-You. I checked it out. That idea is better than my barbaric Hack-Saw one.

[Dexter Gregoire]

Brian was everyone e-mailed? Can you please see if my name is on the list. I haven't received any e-mails.

Sorry, I did receive one on July 11, 2007 with a subject being 'microMatteBox update from Redrock Micro'. Thanks.

[jaadgy akanni]

Hang on guys - haven't sent the info out yet - we'll have some news of interest to you all as well


Brian

COOL, COOL, COOL!!!

[Brian Valente]

Brian was everyone e-mailed? Can you please see if my name is on the list. I haven't received any e-mails.

Sorry, I did receive one on July 11, 2007 with a subject being 'microMatteBox update from Redrock Micro'. Thanks.

Yep you're good


B

[Brian Valente]

As much as I love discussing sources for inexpensive rods like any other red-blooded filmmaker, may I suggest another thread be started on this? Just want to keep from folks having to dig for the relevant microMatteBox info

Thanks

Brian

[Jeff Kilgroe]

No problem, Brian. Other stuff on low-cost rod alternatives now here (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5890).

Carry on.

[Brian Valente]

Sorry, Brian. My bad. ...but since it was announced at the same time and I put in a reservation at the same time, is there any word on the remote follow focus? Thanks.

repeat after me: "I will only talk about the microMatteBox on this thread" :turned:

And thanks Jeff!


B

[Brian Valente]

Hello Everyone

This is an update on the microMatteBox. This is the first of what we expect are regular updates on the status of the microMatteBox. Please take the time to read this completely, as it answers many questions we are often asked.

New Feature - Native 19mm rod support

We will be offering a native 19mm support arm as an option for microMatteBox. Red folks sure know how to rally around something they want. Timing is still being worked out but we hope to have it available in time for the first release. The 19mm option will cost a bit more, how much more we don't yet know, but you know Redrock philosophy so it will be reasonably priced when compared with our target price of the base configuration (around $500 US).

Release Date

This new feature will push the release date back a bit... how far we don't yet know, but shouldn't be too much. Our target is still to deliver the first 50 units sometime in December, and most or all of the remaining reservations and general product availability in the January/February timeframe. We again want to reiterate that this is a best case timeline and is subject to delay. Please do not confirm a reservation with us if you absolutely require one by a specific date.

Reservations

We will be contacting the first 50 reservation holders to confirm their reservation. This email will have this ticket in it:

http://www.redrockmicro.com/assets/images/golden_ticket.jpg

Since we haven't announced final pricing (just waiting for a few more things to come in) we won't yet be requiring a deposit, so just a response is needed . When we have the pricing publicly available we’ll collect deposits at that time. If a reservation holder declines, or does not respond within four days from our email notification, we will move to the next reservation holder and offer the slot to them… and so on until all 50 slots are filled. Also, there is only one microMatteBox per reservation at this time.

We will only be taking deposits for the first 50 slots. The remaining reservation holders will have priority in ordering a microMatteBox before they become generally available. If you did not receive an email asking to confirm your reservation and showing the ticket, you are not in the first 50 reservations. Please allow the next 12-24 hours for this email to arrive.

[Steve Gal]

So from what I understand, you are making a swing away bracket for 19mm native. Isn't there a way to make a screw on bracket for the 15mm (100mm spacing) & 19mm option right on the bottom of the 15mm (60mm spacing) swing away bracket just like Arri does or are you not allowed to do it that way because Arri may have a patent? I feel this is the most universal way. Allows you to mount to any conifguration not just RED. Like Arri FF-4 follow focus also has the 15mm holes right in the main unit and then 15 & 19mm brackets can be screwed on from underneath. Such a great system. Does anyone feel the same way?

[Dexter Gregoire]

I'm so happy RedRock will make the MatteBox compatible with the RED Production Pack without a significant price increase. Thank-You Brian for such a nice quick adjustment for the current and future RED users. It is very much appreciated.

[Brian Valente]

s816mm35mm - if you look back through this thread the main request we are getting is for native 19mm rods without the adapter. We are already offering a 15mm version and Red has a 15mm-19mm adapter

Cheers

Brian

[David Mutchler]

Brian, Thanks for listening. 19mm mount MB everybody! It's a good day.

[Rocco Schult]

Great stuff and yes, very much appreciated!

[JoshBertrand]

FANTASTIC!!! Thanks for the native 19mm Brian. I'm going to give you a huge RED high five at NAB this year.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Brian thanks a lot for this good news i will pray to be:clown2: in the first lucky owners

[WesG]

Brian thanks a lot for this good news i will pray to be:clown2: in the first lucky owners

same here - I got the general news release email saw the blue ticket and thought I was one!!! doh - still hoping to be :whistling:

2 Questions:

To achieve the lightest configuration on a RED would we be best to use the 19mm swing away version or the 15mm version with shorter smaller rods on RED???

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but if you wanted to use the MB on other smaller cameras besides RED, then the 15mm would be a better choice, as you can always use the 15-19 adapter if needed??

Keen to check my logic.

thanks and can't wait to see the MB Brian

cheers
wes

[Adam C Lubkin]

s816mm35mm - if you look back through this thread the main request we are getting is for native 19mm rods without the adapter. We are already offering a 15mm version and Red has a 15mm-19mm adapter

Cheers

Brian

Brian,
What some of us have in mind is an adapter like the one pictured in David's post here:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=101367&postcount=60

This would allow both lightweight 15mm and 19mm options without the complications of having to use short 15mm rods going through an adapter.

[Paris Remillard]

Yeah, the Arri type dual system would be ideal in my opinion, as well. I don't know if the design is already locked, but since people are putting in their votes...

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

same here - I got the general news release email saw the blue ticket and thought I was one!!! doh - still hoping to be :whistling:


Also, correct me if I'm wrong but if you wanted to use the MB on other smaller cameras besides RED, then the 15mm would be a better choice, as you can always use the 15-19 adapter if needed??



i think its your better choice

[Brian Valente]

Hi guys

Thanks for the questions - AdamL if you look at the pics of the microMatteBox you are pretty much getting the same thing (and a little more stylish if I may be so bold). Just to be clear on the rod support for the swing-away you have your choice of:

1. 15mm/60mm clamp
2. 15mm->19mm via the Red 90mm clamp
3. native 19mm clamp arm (recently added because of the requests we've received)

I think there is some confusion that we *switched* to 19mm. Instead we are *adding* the option

Bassam you'll want to go 15mm/60mm for the smaller format cameras.

Hope that helps

Brian

[Adam C Lubkin]

Hi guys

Thanks for the questions - AdamL if you look at the pics of the microMatteBox you are pretty much getting the same thing (and a little more stylish if I may be so bold). Just to be clear on the rod support for the swing-away you have your choice of:

1. 15mm/60mm clamp
2. 15mm->90mm via the Red 90mm clamp
3. native 90mm clamp (recently added because of the requests we've received)

I think there is some confusion that we *switched* to 19mm. Instead we are *adding* the option

Bassam you'll want to go 15mm/60mm for the smaller format cameras.

Hope that helps

Brian


Brian, can the user purchase both the 15mm/60mm clamp and the native 19mm clamp and swap them out as desired?
Thanks,
Adam

[Brian Valente]

adaml

they are arms, and yes, you could do that. But if that's what you want, you may just consider the 15mm arm and a 19mm adapter clamp

Also, for some totally bizarre reason I started writing 90mm - not enough sleep! I meant to say 19mm. Fixed it in the post above

Brian

[jaadgy akanni]

Yeah, I myself prefer the 15mm, and the 19mm adapter when needed.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Yeah, I myself prefer the 15mm, and the 19mm adapter when needed.


me too same as you
Thanks Brian

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

[This email will have this ticket in it:

http://www.redrockmicro.com/assets/images/golden_ticket.jpg

. If you did not receive an email asking to confirm your reservation and showing the ticket, you are not in the first 50 reservations. Please allow the next 12-24 hours for this email to arrive.


OH ,, i am confused ?
This morning i have recieved email for redrockmicro.com..,,within the first few second befor i read its content.,, i thought THATS IT the ticket :usd: for a few seconds befor i realized that it is only an UPDATE ..:angry01:

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Hehe, I thought the same thing when I got my email at 12:52AM yesterday. I don't know if I'm in the first 50, but I did put in my reservation within the first 48 hours of reservations opening up.

I'm guessing that if I don't receive the email by midnight today, then I'm not in the first 50.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Hehe, I thought the same thing when I got my email at 12:52AM yesterday. I don't know if I'm in the first 50, but I did put in my reservation within the first 48 hours of reservations opening up.

I'm guessing that if I don't receive the email by midnight today, then I'm not in the first 50.
hi you know its becuase of missunderstanding of Brian last posts when he said
Please allow the next 12-24 hours for this email to arrive

for me i have made reservation several time since more than 7 or 8 monthes aguess..:sick:

[PaulClements]

Good move on the 19mm support Brian. Thnx

Paul

[Charles Adams]

Hi Brian, thanks for the excellent communication from Redrock regarding the mattebox. Forum and email definitely the way to go.

Question: Can you tell me if the first 50 were already emailed or is that still ongoing? We are hoping we make the cut and do not want to give up yet...

[donatello b]

yes the 1st 50 emails were sent out on the 14th ( saw it posted on RR web forum) ...

[Charles Adams]

NOOOOOOOO! :angry03:

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

yes i have read this in redrock forum posted by Brian
(All 50 have been sent as of wednesday )

hopw i am wrong cause i didnt recieve confirmation email yet:bye2:

[Gian Joon]

Hi Brian

Can you please give some idea when are you emailing rest of Reservation Holders (I mean above 50)


___
My Red Serial Number has been confirmed. It is not in 2K's - Its 1795

[Brian Valente]

Hi Bassam

My apologies for the confusion - we are serving two masters here - first we are continuing to provide all reservation holders updates on information (such as the 19mm rod support). Second, we are confirming reservations for the first 50 res holders.


Cheers
Brian

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Hi Bassam

My apologies for the confusion - we are serving two masters here - first we are continuing to provide all reservation holders updates on information (such as the 19mm rod support). Second, we are confirming reservations for the first 50 res holders.


Cheers
Brian

THANKS Brian you are okay..

[Brian Valente]

Hi Brian

Can you please give some idea when are you emailing rest of Reservation Holders (I mean above 50)


___
My Red Serial Number has been confirmed. It is not in 2K's - Its 1795

Hi everyone,

As mentioned, all 50 have been sent emails. Waiting to hear back on all, but most of checked in affirmative.

We are providing regular updates to everyone on status, any feature changes, and shipping timing. We will make the microMB available to the remaining reservation holders prior to it going on general sale, which will be closer to when the microMatteBox is available in quantity. Res holders beyond the first 50 will be taken care of

Cheers

Brian

[Ken Willinger]

Not that it matters that much but I'm sure everyone would like to know where in the queue they are. When sending out the emails is it possible to include that info?

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

i did not recieve any mail but i am sure that i reserve mattebox several times
from long time ago every time that redrock team send email updating about
their mattebox long time ago .. and lately i did my reservation but its all about
:angry01: Luck.. :angry01:

[Brian Valente]

Bassam - You are a great guy and I certainly wish for you to be in the front of the line! There isn't any luck to it: we simply went from the first reservation down the list in order.

Regarding reservation numbers, the only meaningful distinction is if someone is in the first 50 or after that. the microMatteBox is not like a more expensive smaller run camera (say for example :) ): Once the button is pushed we produce all of them. we just get the first 50 earlier. Sweating anything more detailed than that won't be productive for you or us.


Brian

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Bassam - You are a great guy and I certainly wish for you to be in the front of the line! There isn't any luck to it: we simply went from the first reservation down the list in order.

Regarding reservation numbers, the only meaningful distinction is if someone is in the first 50 or after that. the microMatteBox is not like a more expensive smaller run camera (say for example :) ): Once the button is pushed we produce all of them. we just get the first 50 earlier. Sweating anything more detailed than that won't be productive for you or us.


Brian

No problem Brain its okay thanks a lot for you and readrock team you guy's
did me a big favour when you put me in the line of 35mm world i will not forget that.thanks again:biggrin:

[R. Gonzales]

Hello Brian,

I am not sure if your up or taking this long weekend off but I am hoping you might be able to answer my question. I can't seem to find any finalized pricing for your matte box. And I am currently bidding on one on eBay. I would prefer to purchase yours but I just don't know the final price. And are there any pictures of your final design?

Thanks for your consideration

Method

[Brian Valente]

Hi Method

No rest for the wicked :devil:

We haven't released final pricing, but all along we've talked about our base configuration target price of $500 US.

The photos on our product page are pretty close to the final version (i.e., its the final design but the materials have changed)


Cheers

Brian

[R. Gonzales]

Thanks Brian for such a a fast reply. (No rest for the wicked :devil: )

I think I will stand down until my res number comes up. Whenever you get some more pics please past them on (of course you will)

Thanks again

Respectfully


Method

[Brian Valente]

You bet - we love posting pictures of our gear :)


Brian

[Steve Sanacore]

HI Brian

I have put in at least two reservations for your matte box quite a while ago (only want one though), I did it twice because to this date I haven't received any email confirmation from RedRockMicro at all. No updates, nothing.

Really really really need your matte box!!! Can you check and see if I am indeed on some list somewhere? Thanks!

steve@resortimages.com

[KETCH ROSSi]

Hey Brian,

do you have a unit that we could use this coming weekend for the LART shoot?

It would be great to have one to put on the RED that will have the Birger mount which will be used with my entire L series lenses from Canon, it will not only make switching the Primes a pleasurable experience but it will give many a great opportunity to test out the MatteBox it self ( I have no doubt it is a great unit ).

Also to get my 3 MatteBox for my RED's do I have to make more reservations?

Take care Brian.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Hey Brian,

do you have a unit that we could use this coming weekend for the LART shoot?

I second that request. Any chance of that, Brian? :)

[Gian Joon]

Lart Test is definately a good idea. Test results from there will be closely watched by RED USERS around the globe. I for one, will make up my mind based on these test results about lenses and other accessories. So Brian it is DEFINATELY A GOOD IDEA if you could provide one matte box to Lart.

Birger Engineering is providing their lens mount system and they are taking Lart opportunity to annouce their gear to general public.

So Brian if you want to be heard FAR and LOUD, Lart is the way to go.

Cheers

Joon

[Brian Valente]

Hi Folks

Steve- we have sent all updates to steve@resortimages.com and you are definitely on the reserve list.

Regarding the upcoming shoot you don't need to sell us on working with LART - we don't yet have a matte box available, but when we do you can be sure we will participate in as many test shoots, reviews, etc. as we can

Cheers

Brian

[KETCH ROSSi]

Hey Brian,

thanks anyway.

I like the look and fill of your MatteBox, it was one of the great discoveries when I play with it at Cinegear.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Sven Seynaeve]

Has anyone any idea about pricing of the wireless follow focus maby??

[Steve Sanacore]

Thanks Brian;

I am desperate for your Matte box... Been shooting without one while I am waiting for yours..... another shoot next week... hope you can get me one soon.

Thanks!

[Brian Valente]

Hi Steve - we hear ya. We are working as fast as we can, I promise. Another update coming soon to everyone on progress


Brian

[Steve Sanacore]

Thanks Brian!

[Michael Morlan]

I just bought a used Petroff P45-2 as a nice stopgap but am definitely waiting for my RR MB reservation to come up. Looking forward to my email notice.

[Peter McCully]

I still don't know if I need anything else in the way of adapters etc. to put the Redrock matte box directly on the Red. Does it come ready to go?

[nzben]

I still don't know if I need anything else in the way of adapters etc. to put the Redrock matte box directly on the Red. Does it come ready to go?

Peter,

The website specifies 15mm rod system, as you know most of the gear down here is 19mm apart from the older 16mm cameras. I wonder if they also have a 19mm option?

[Rocco Schult]

when you follow the whole thread you'll find a notice from Brian that he'll build a 19mm option, without an adapter, like you would need otherwise.

[SIRAJ KUMKHE]

i am still waitng to see RRmattebox:whistling:

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Hi Steve - we hear ya. We are working as fast as we can, I promise. Another update coming soon to everyone on progress


Brian

hi Brian ..soon when please ?:sick:

[Brian Valente]

Hi Bassam (and everyone)

We are looking to wrap up a bit of a delay finalizing some product details - we are committed to the base configuration targeted around $500 US so it looks like we will probably end up with 2 stages instead of 3 as the base configuration. You can of course add a third stage (or more) as an option. Once we finalize these details we will have a revised shipping date for you and everyone here

Also - on another note someone asked about our side wings - yes they are two-part and expandable

Happy Holidays to everyone


Brian

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

You can of course add a third stage (or more) as an option. Once we finalize these details we will have a revised shipping date for you and everyone here

Also - on another note someone asked about our side wings - yes they are two-part and expandable

Happy Holidays to everyone


Brian
this is GREAT NEWS FOR HOLIDAYS THANKS brian :love: Happy Holidays
have fun please..

[albert rudnicki]

Hi Bassam (and everyone)

We are looking to wrap up a bit of a delay finalizing some product details - we are committed to the base configuration being $500 US so it looks like we will probably end up with 2 stages instead of 3 as the base configuration. You can of course add a third stage (or more) as an option. Once we finalize these details we will have a revised shipping date for you and everyone here

Also - on another note someone asked about our side wings - yes they are two-part and expandable

Happy Holidays to everyone


Brian

Thanks for an update
Yes, the option for the third stage is vital to us, so it's great to hear it stays as an option.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Thanks Brian,

Happy Holidays.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[vincelucero]

Excellent. Can't wait to see it and pricing for the 3rd stage. So will there be an option to use the mbox on both 15 and 19mm with adapter? Or is it either/or?

[Rocco Schult]

I know its a long thread, but it was stated that its an either or solution.
Merry Christmas.

[Gian Joon]

Any updates from RedRock.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

i am afriad that they are infected by delays ...?:wink:

[Thor Wixom]

Patiently waiting....

[KETCH ROSSi]

Okay,

it is true that I'm (very unfortunately) kind of experiencing a situation, but after trying to deal in the purchase of the ARRI MB20 II system for my REDs... well in off is in off.

At this point RR MB is the only thing I'm looking at.

So, Brian, Please!!! Get this MBs shipping, I need 3 complete sets ( and I mean complete ).

Can you give as an update?

BTW, I hope your festivities were great, now just start shipping this MBs already, we want them.

I know that the people interested in renting their gear and concerned to the clients wanting to see the Arri brand may not buy your MB anyway, but on the other hand I truly believe that if they started shipping and people would post actual photos and reviews of them, they will change their mind quicly wile saving several thousand $$$ in the process.

As for me I don't care of the clients, I'm the client.

Always with respect for you and your work of course Brian.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[Alexis Hanawalt]

well in off is in off.

Awesome.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Yeah Cinewalt exactly.

Beside I also got frustrated with the fact that I can choose of getting a huge MB + a second smaller one and possibly a third for light configuration work.

That's 3 MBs per each camera 9 for me, just so I can cover all aspects of filming and available filters which I will use extensively in the 4x.564, 5.65x5.65 and 6x6 configurations for the different lenses I will (hopefully) end up with for my REDs.

Well guess what?

Now I don't have to deal with it any more, I will get 3 RR MBs one for each of my REDs and just buy the different filer trays and with the RR MB I can put on any of RED lenses, all the range of ARRI's MASTER PRIMES and even the widest LDS ULTRA PRIME with the 156mm front element diameter.
GREAT!

BTW, Brian does the RR MB supports the 19mm rods configuration?


Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
wwwKETCHFRAME.com

[Tonaci Tran]

Ketch. I saw the Brian confirmed in another forum that the RR mattebox will support 19mm.

Also, Ketch, did you order Master PRimes?!?1!?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

It would be nice if Brian could give us an update.

But he did confirm earlier that support for 19mm would happen. I'm not sure if it will happen initially or if that's something that will come later.

[KETCH ROSSi]

That would be great as I believe many of as are going the 19mm route.

Not yet Tonaci, working on, trying to arrange a deal with a couple of Investors for the first film as well as dealing with a Financial institution to finance some of my gear.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Stephen Pruitt]

I plan to go with the Redrock mattebox, as well. . . I'm STILL trying to figure out what rails diameter to go with. Talk about confusing! My RED looks like it will be outfitted with the Birger Canon mount and the RR mattebox. Maybe I'm a fool, but if the Birger works the way I'm hoping, I won't have to deal with a follow focus at all. And since I am expecting my RED to ship sometime next month (# just under 800), I hope everyone gets their shipments going!

Stephen

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Stephen where are you located, or where do you do the most of your shooting?

My gut is telling me that you want 15mm rods.

[Alexis Hanawalt]

That would be great as I believe many of as are going the 19mm route.

I'm moving towards 15mm offset at this point, but the RR MatteBox is the one reason I've been holding out.

[Brian Valente]

Hi everyone

Here's a quick update - I may have covered some of this before, but it's a good time to recap.

We are in full production now, with no remaining issues. The next thing that happens is products in your hands! We did run into a production snag which pushed the date a bit. All the specs still hold true on the microMB - the few changes are that the base configuration that is targeted around $500 will now have two stages (both rotating) with the third stage as an optional add-on.

There will be side wings and a bottom flag available as options as well. we will probably also offer a fully kitted out version with all wings and flags as well to simplify ordering.

The stages themselves can support up to 6x6 filter trays. In the initial release we will have trays for 4x4" and 4.565". We will followup with other larger trays and prioritize according to what customers request.

We will have the 19mm rod option - working towards having it available at launch, though it is not confirmed at this point. The 15mm option will of course be immediately available.

Timing at this point looks like first units could be in hands by March. While that's a bit farther out, the good news is the time from the first 50 to the shipping the rest of the reservations will be much shorter - probably 4 weeks or less. We had anticipated that being much longer. Again please allow me to reiterate this is a brand new product, and delivery times are subject to continuing change, so if you need something by a specific date, please do not place a reservation. Our aim is to put out an amazing matte box at a truly new price point.

Also, the reservation list will be closing soon, so if you are interested, now is the time to get on the list

Cheers

Brian

[Larry McKee]

Thanks for the update, Brian. I'm really looking forward to see what you guys have created. Any guesses as to the price of the decked out unit?

[KETCH ROSSi]

Thanks Brian,

unfortunately for me ( even so I like your product and did so since first seen at Cinegear ) I surely can not wait till march/april to get my MBs.

I guess for me back to ARRI since also RED MB it is still a Ghost.

But all said Brian I wish you best of lock with your sales ( not that you needed ).

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

THANKS FOR this good news Brian . I THINK we will have good MB .:)

[jaadgy akanni]

Ciao, KEtch.

So does this mean I can take your place in line? if you were one of the lucky early ones, of course. :biggrin:

[albert rudnicki]

Thanks for an update Brian

[Brian Valente]

Happy to provide the update -

As for the rest of the package pricing, not set yet (though soon to be) but it's probably not difficult to surmise from a target of $500 for the base when looking at add-ons. Charging a fortune for the accessories is not only "not revolutionarY" but also unethical, methinks :)


B

[Alexander Nikishin]

Look forward to seeing it Brain!

If you need a RED to mock it up on, me and #194 are ready and waiting. :nerd:

[Brian Valente]

so noted:)

[Tony Lorentzen]

Yeah - let's see some pictures of the production mattebox soon, Brian.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Ciao, KEtch.

So does this mean I can take your place in line? if you were one of the lucky early ones, of course. :biggrin:

You will have to PM Brian as I have no idea what my RES. # is and if He will be willing to do that.

I wryly was looking forward to the RR MB but I can not stay 2 to 3 months with out MBs on my cameras and I'm not willing to get some crap just so I get by to when the RR MB comes out.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Dexter Gregoire]

Is today the big day for an anouncement concerning the Matte Box?
Is it ready to ship, any pictures?

[Brian Valente]

Hi Dexter

Sounds like there is some confusion - we are announcing shipping dates for the microX flip accessory for the M2.


Brian

[M.Halsell]

LOL That episode was funny!

[Andrew Hewlett]

I think shipping news is going to be released today, correct?

[Brian Valente]

Yes we had hoped to do that but it looks like monday. Just a few more small details.

Thanks

Brian

[MikeHedge]

monday!!!!

[Andrew Hewlett]

...monday...

[James T Mather]

"....looks good to me la la"

(altogether now)

[lisa hayse]

So good to me....

Sing it...

[albert rudnicki]

Any news on the redrock MB would be fantastic.
Thanks
Albert

[Gian Joon]

Waiting to hear the words. Monday is not too far.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

I AM afraid that redrockteam will loose their MB customers if they delay more cause RED MB.. already coming soon..:innocent:
Brian please don't let us wait more

[albert rudnicki]

This is the time of opportunity for all the third party developers.
By the NAB time there will be about 2000 Reds out there...

[Seth Larney]

Hmm .. I thought Monday was a couple days ago ? Brian, do you mean next Monday ?

[Seth Larney]

Just read over on the redrock forum, looks like Brian will be making an announcement sometime this week.

Hmm .. to redrock or red.. that is the question..

[Brian Valente]

Hi folks

Yes, we made an announcement yesterday. Here are the details:

http://redrockmicro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5125

Cheers

Brian

[jaadgy akanni]

Thanks Brian. I totally applaud your taking so much care to ensure this mattebox will be a thing of excellence. That's why I've faithfully waited for it (although I've sometimes bitten my nails from the frustration). But being all too familiar with your products ( 'cause I own a couple), I know all the waiting will have been worth it. Looking forward to April.

[Brian Valente]

you bet :) I have no nails left

B

[Gian Joon]

Hi Brian

Can you advise about microMatteBox Deluxe Bundle $695. I want to use it with REDONE with RED 15mm Adaptor. Am I on right track or is $995 option a must for REDONE.

Cheers

Joon

[Brian Valente]

Hi Joon

The Red bundle is specifically for the 19mm native rod support. If you want just 15mm/60mm center to center rods, the deluxe bundle is great.


Brian

[Larry McKee]

Hey Brian, The RED Bundle doesn't mention French Flags or Side Wings. Was that simply an oversight, or are they not included in the bundle?

[Brian Valente]

Hi Larry

Wow - thanks for catching that! It's corrected now in the website.

Yes the Red One bundle includes top/bottom flags and sidewings


Brian

[Larry McKee]

Cool. Thanks, Brian.

[Matthew Rogers]

Hey Brian, what if we don't NEED the 15mm support because we are only running on the RED. I was thinking in the past that the 15mm screws off and you screw the 19mm on, or is there something that's changed/missing? Basically, I am asking can we get the deluxe kit with JUST the 19mm support, or do we HAVE to get the RED kit to work on the RED?

Matthew

[Paris Remillard]

Basically, I am asking can we get the deluxe kit with JUST the 19mm support, or do we HAVE to get the RED kit to work on the RED?

Matthew

Same question here. Can I get the deluxe bundle with just the 19mm arm instead of the 15mm. Why would that cause a jump in price? Isn't it essentially the same part with slightly bigger holes in it (and different offset, etc... but you get the point)?

Also, any hints on pricing of additional/larger stages? I know it'll be announced at NAB, but I'm just trying to get a budget in my head for the complete kit.

Thanks.

[Brian Valente]

Hi guys

The Red bundle is based in part on feedback we received from everyone here at reduser.net, specifically that everyone preferred a native 19mm rod solution rather than an adapter. That's what we are offering. For now the 19mm is in lower quantities which means we make them through a different process that results in a higher cost. We included the 15mm rod support since most folks who provided input requested that.

We don't have any announced details on pricing for other components, and as you pointed out we will have all that info ready at NAB

Thanks

Brian

[Paris Remillard]

Thanks for the info Brian. I still don't understand why you won't offer a 19mm only option. I don't need the 15mm arm, so I don't really want to have to pay for it when it will just sit on the shelf. I understand that the 19mm arms cost more to manufacture, so couldn't you just offer a 19mm only setup and have the price reflect that difference? I'm not trying to be difficult. I just don't want to have to buy gear that I won't be using.

[Brian Valente]

Hi again perisrem - I understand your request. We have to make some choices to keep the options simple, and not to increase our costs in other areas, so we went with the bundles we felt best represented what most folks requested.

Brian

[Leif Thomas]

I think people are starting to complain, because there is no single possibility to buy 19mm support w/o the 15mm support. With the current bundles, MOST of us are forced to buy the 15mm support without a use for it.

I remember some people wanted to have 19mm AND 15mm support, but RED is 19mm primary and 15mm just with an upgrade. Why did you decide different?

I would be very happy to have the Redrock-RED-bundle include 19mm only (like the RED Basic-Production Pack) and have an upgrade-possibility to 15mm (like the RED-ET-15mm support).

[Sean]

I'm trying to figure out how the Redrock matte box would work if you're using both 15mm and 19mm rods? Maybe much longer 15mm rails. Or longer 19mm rails and then use the Redrock 19mm kit?

Here are Redrock 15mm rails and a Redrock follow focus with the 19mm Red rails and the Red 15mm rod adapter. (Note that the Redrock follow focus, which I really quite like, needs to have some other mechanism for tightening the wing nuts, because they bump the Red's rails. We're just using nuts right now, but it's not as convenient. Redrock might offer up some kind of ratcheting wing-nut soon?)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h229/sean90291/redrock_rails.jpg

[Brian Valente]

Hi Sean

I saw a setup from some of the 4k ninjas at HD Expo. What worked for them is using very short 15mm rods.

Also FYI we have a drive gear upgrade in the works that will make the microFF an improved fit with Red


Brian

[Sean]

Thanks Brian. In what respect will the new drive gear for the follow focus improve the existing unit?

[Brian Valente]

It is a redesigned drive gear that is larger and can be placed closer to the gearbox so you can easily clear the lens mount prongs (what is their real name?) and it will also reach smaller diameter lenses such as some of the smallish zeiss superspeeds.


Brian

[Cüneyt Kaya]

will the ff have native 19 mm rod support?

[Paris Remillard]

Brian, are the mattebox arm/accessories 15mm lightweight or studio offset?

[Brian Valente]

Hi Folks


Just a quick update for Red customers - based on your feedback we have updated our Red One Bundle configuration and pricing as follows:


microMatteBox Red One Bundle $795 (reservation holders price)
· MicroMatteBox
· 1 16:9 matte
· 2 360 degree rotating stages
· 2 dual purpose 4x4”/4x5.65” filter trays
· French flag and bottom flag
· Side wings
· 19mm swing away arm

case with custom foam and 15mm swing away arm are now offered as optional accessories rather than included. As always, information is accurate at the time of posting but pricing and configuration may change without notice (more of a disclaimer for far distant future readers).



Brian

[Shawn Bannon]

that sounds pretty cool. any more photos available yet?

[Brian Valente]

Photos and actual product will be at NAB

parisrem: all 15mm are 60mm center to center spacing

K.Berlin: no announced plans yet for 19mm on the follow focus


Thanks

Brian

[Andrew Hewlett]

Hi Folks


Just a quick update for Red customers - based on your feedback we have updated our Red One Bundle configuration and pricing as follows:


microMatteBox Red One Bundle $795 (reservation holders price)
· MicroMatteBox
· 1 16:9 matte
· 2 360 degree rotating stages
· 2 dual purpose 4x4”/4x5.65” filter trays
· French flag and bottom flag
· Side wings
· 19mm swing away arm

case with custom foam and 15mm swing away arm are now offered as optional accessories rather than included. As always, information is accurate at the time of posting but pricing and configuration may change without notice (more of a disclaimer for far distant future readers).



Brian


Brian,

I asked this on the Red Rock Forum, So basically its $100 more for the 19mm option instead of 15mm? Is there any other reason for the $100 difference?

Thanks.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

the word RED, hehe

[Dexter Gregoire]

Hi Folks


Just a quick update for Red customers - based on your feedback we have updated our Red One Bundle configuration and pricing as follows:


microMatteBox Red One Bundle $795 (reservation holders price)
· MicroMatteBox
· 1 16:9 matte
· 2 360 degree rotating stages
· 2 dual purpose 4x4”/4x5.65” filter trays
· French flag and bottom flag
· Side wings
· 19mm swing away arm

case with custom foam and 15mm swing away arm are now offered as optional accessories rather than included. As always, information is accurate at the time of posting but pricing and configuration may change without notice (more of a disclaimer for far distant future readers).



Brian

Thank-You Brian. That is a very decent price.

[jgriff]

Brain
we have ordered the microMatteBox Red One Bundle
will the 4x4”/4x5.65” filter trays in the bundle work with the Red 18-50 len as the element Front Diameter is 4.5 inches

[Brian Valente]

Rockoblm

Here's the answer copied from the rr forums:



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It's a smaller quantity we are building, so we essentially have to hand make these. The cost is a little more but still a great deal - nothing even close out there in price and features.


Brian

[Paul Leeming]

I'm down for the Red bundle (I'm on the reservation list already)!!

Good stuff.

Paul

[Mike Zinner]

Brian, thanks a lot for listening to the feedback on the forum. The new Red One Bundle with the case and a couple of extra 4x5.65” filter trays is exactly what I need.

I am among the first reservation holders. Could you update us on what the exact procedure will be to place our order including the accessories? (And not getting lost in all the NAB chaos that will be going on :) )

[Steven-Marc C.]

Thanks for this Red 19mm bundle. Seems to make sense. I'm also on the reservation list and looking forward to seeing some pictures soon.

[Brian Valente]

Brian, thanks a lot for listening to the feedback on the forum. The new Red One Bundle with the case and a couple of extra 4x5.65” filter trays is exactly what I need.

I am among the first reservation holders. Could you update us on what the exact procedure will be to place our order including the accessories? (And not getting lost in all the NAB chaos that will be going on :) )

Hi Mike

We will be sending out an update on the ordering and delivery process closer to NAB. Thanks for asking

Brian

[Andrew Hewlett]

Rockoblm

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It's a smaller quantity we are building, so we essentially have to hand make these. The cost is a little more but still a great deal - nothing even close out there in price and features.


Brian

As I posted on RR Forum:
"I agree! Thanks, thats what I thought the case was."

Brian, I'm just trying to keep you on your toes! Thanks for your hard work and forgive my occasional ribbing. All this great technology has made me a spoiled brat.

[Brian Valente]

Brian, I'm just trying to keep you on your toes! "


You are doing an admirable job :)

[A. Bastaki]

i did sign up for the mattebox... though i never got to know what number i am on the list... i do get the updates though. which makes me wonder if i am or not on the list.
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[Juan Kaballero]

Do I miss something?


We are still targeting a summer release (though towards the end of summer) and a target price for the base configuration at $500.

We will be posting additional pictures shortly

Thanks

Brian


So in a few month the price go from 500 to 1000 buck!!!!?????
:ranting2:
:ranting2:
:ranting2:

[laguun]

will the mattebox be available also as 5x5 or 6x6?
in that case i would order, 4.5 is to small for most of our angenieux zooms.

[Steve Sanacore]

Brian;

I too am a bit confused about my place on any list. I keep getting emails about your offerings and then when I click and go to the web site I am not sure what I should do or how to order it. And when I can expect to get one.

I am ready to buy, but not sure how to do it? Please excuse me if I am not seeing the obvious :-)

Thanks!

[Larry McKee]

Do I miss something?




So in a few month the price go from 500 to 1000 buck!!!!?????
:ranting2:
:ranting2:
:ranting2:

Looks like the base price is still $500. According to the email Redrock sent out to the reservation holders, you can get the mattebox with a matte, 2 rotating stages, 2 filter holders and a 15mm swing away arm for just $595. That's a heck of a deal if the quality is anywhere near as good as we all hope it will be. Even if you order the mattebox with the RED package, it is still under $800.

[Juan Kaballero]

:ranting2:
500$ it's not 595$

I know everything can change but it's not the first time I see this "ugly marketing from RRock, they announce one price and at the and this one grow up, probabily because they saw that anyway people will take it .... 95$+....+...+...=:angry03:

[chuck colburn]

:ranting2:
500$ it's not 595$

I know everything can change but it's not the first time I see this "ugly marketing from RRock, they announce one price and at the and this one grow up, probabily because they saw that anyway people will take it .... 95$+....+...+...=:angry03:

Don't buy it then.

[Steve Sanacore]

:ranting2:
500$ it's not 595$

I know everything can change but it's not the first time I see this "ugly marketing from RRock, they announce one price and at the and this one grow up, probabily because they saw that anyway people will take it .... 95$+....+...+...=:angry03:

Give them a break. They are trying to get us a $5000 Arri Matte box equivalent for 10% or so of the price. They are still in development too. If they have to charge us 20% the price of the ARRI, it's still a bargain to me.

The quality of the unit is so important in the long run, if they have to add a hundred bucks, fine with me as long as the quality is there with it.

[Juan Kaballero]

SHHHHHHH

Shut up please, each time you pronounce bargain price increase :mail1:



They are trying to get us a $5000 Arri Matte box equivalent for 10% or so of the price

You're right Steve

[Jeff Kilgroe]

:ranting2:
500$ it's not 595$

I know everything can change but it's not the first time I see this "ugly marketing from RRock, they announce one price and at the and this one grow up, probabily because they saw that anyway people will take it .... 95$+....+...+...=:angry03:

You're joking... Right?

They said "about $500" and "ballpark $500" for the base package right from the start. If you think this is "ugly marketing" or deceptive, then all I can say is... don't buy it.

[Finner]

I think most would be willing to pay $2,000 for it.

[Juan Kaballero]

Personaly, when I ask 5000 for a job, at the end of the job I take 5000... but anyway I will puchase one.

[Steve Sanacore]

Personaly, when I ask 5000 for a job, at the end of the job I take 5000... but anyway I will puchase one.

Yes, I am sure we all do.

But manufacturing a product for mass production is not a job - it's like committing to thousands of jobs where there are many unknown variables, so it's not as simple.

I would give Brian more slack and be happy he is on the forums. It's feels like I'm buying something from a friend and want to see him do well.

IMO..

[Paul Hazlett]

ugly marketing is charging you 500 dollars they promised by cutting corners and giving you something worth much less. If you have been following this thread, you would know that Brian and Redrock have been listening to us and making changes based on feeback. I have not seen the mattebox but i am confident it will be well worth the wait and price

[Brian Valente]

:ranting2:
500$ it's not 595$

I know everything can change but it's not the first time I see this "ugly marketing from RRock, they announce one price and at the and this one grow up, probabily because they saw that anyway people will take it .... 95$+....+...+...=:angry03:


Citizen K - To be fair, since we originally announced the targeted $500 price announcement we added or enhanced the microMatteBox in the following ways:

all metal construction (from plastic)
greatly improved filter trays that include spring-loaded filter holders (from plastic filter holders)
All stages rotate (vs. just one in the original spec)
A swing-away arm

I would say that's a pretty good deal for an extra $95. I am a bit hard pressed to call that "ugly marketing" - I would hope you think we are being responsive to your input and offering a pretty incredible deal for all those improvements.

Respectfully

Brian

PS Phaz - come see the microMB in person at NAB. We should also have a Red in our booth as well showing the native 19mm arm and microFollowFocus setup.

[Paul Hazlett]

you already have my money Mr. Valente...all except for cashing the check.
Can I take mine home from Vegas??...just kidding I know, I know I got the letter.

[Andrew Hewlett]

:ranting2:
500$ it's not 595$

I know everything can change but it's not the first time I see this "ugly marketing from RRock, they announce one price and at the and this one grow up, probabily because they saw that anyway people will take it .... 95$+....+...+...=:angry03:

I think if you're gonna cry over $95, you're in the wrong field/hobby. You're making this comment on a site, which is home to a $17,500 camera body that is comparable to a $250,000 camera. Red Rock Micro and Red are two companies that are spending TONS of energy and money trying to get independent filmmakers and studio filmmakers the same quality tools to produce media at revolutionary price points. Most Americans my age spend more than $95 at Starbucks in a month.

[Brian Valente]

Most Americans my age spend more than $95 at Starbucks in a month.

Alas it is true - you have exposed my one weakness: good coffee :wacko:

[Andrew Hewlett]

Alas it is true - you have exposed my one weakness: good coffee :wacko:

Damn venti decaf mocha! And those sausage sandwiches!!! Actually up here in the Bay Area, Starbucks is second to Peet's. Long live Peet's!

Anyhow, back to topic...I'm going to get a cup of coffee.

[wshultz]

Hey Brian, I'm in the first 50 but no one has asked for money yet. Did I miss anything?

[Brian Valente]

Hi Wshultz

Thanks for asking - we decided to skip the deposit stage and go right to shipping. We'll be sending out info on how to order closer to NAB

Brian

[laguun]

Hi Wshultz

Thanks for asking - we decided to skip the deposit stage and go right to shipping. We'll be sending out info on how to order closer to NAB

Brian

sorry for asking again - can we also order a 5x5 and/or 6x6?
we mainly use these >100mm frontlens sized angenieux zooms....

[Larry McKee]

laguun, I don't really know if I am supposed to be spilling the beans (I wasn't told not to), but it is my understanding that the RR MB will take Arri filter holders. So, if you get in a pinch and can't wait for RR to ship their holders, you do have an option.

I am in the same boat as you with the large diameter Angenieux zoom, so it may be an option I exercise as well.

[Paris Remillard]

this is from the shipping news email that they sent out a couple of weeks ago:

"Filters – the microMatteBox is designed to support filters in sizes up to 6x6”. MicroMatteBox will initially ship with a dual-purpose filter tray that supports both 4x4” and 4x5.65” filter sizes. Support for specific filter sizes will be based on our rollout of supporting filter trays. All filter trays fit into our universal filter stage, which provides 360 degree rotation and secure locking of filter trays."

So, it looks like you're good, laguun.

[Juan Kaballero]

3 month ago I read "estimation price 500$
with swing away and 1 rotating stage", and a few days
ago I saw 995$.

995$ it's sweet compare to arri ,
but I'm surprised the price is now
twice the (3month ago) estimated price,
even with

+metal for plastic
+2nd stage rotating
+19mm for 15mm

just don't give an estimation or just say 3000$
(for estimation price) and then,give a surprise...

At the end of the story (next month),
I will watch, compare and I will buy the mattebox who
give me more for less.

Manufacturing a product for mass production
and all those changes have a cost, but a cost
you have to consider it will make profit during
10years, 20 or 40...+++ with no more changes

Personally I dont like Fanboy or "LAMECULOS":
..."so cheap", "so great", "so wonderfull"....so....
Rockobm, who do you think you are to tel me so
ridiculus things without know me?



I think if you're gonna cry over $95, you're in the wrong field/hobby. You're making this comment on a site, which is home to a $17,500 camera body that is comparable to a $250,000 camera

I have almost 20 years of experience as dp with few international awards,
I never own my equipment but I know, for sure, the price of the stuf!
So please take a breath and be repectfull, would you like I tell you : take your med and go play with your hv20 on weddings? no?

keep it cool!

[Brian Valente]

Citizen K

The scenario you laid out is not entirely accurate.

We do not currently have a $995 bundle. The base microMatteBox configuration is $595 which is roughly equivalent to the specs we originally laid out for the $500 target price (thought we added all the upgrades mentioned above). The propoed $995 bundle included all those enhancements

and in addition to that the following

19mm rod support
Full flag kit
pelican case with fitted foam

For that $995 bundle, in response to feedback, we scaled back that package to $795, and still retained the most requested Red feature, the 19mm native swing-away arm, and you get the full flag kit.

Again, I can understand questions would arise of a doubling in price for the same product, but I encourage a closer look at the details of how things evolved: a better kit with better materials, more features, and features Red owners requested, still at an incredible deal imho. Personally I don't own or use an HV20, though we have one for testing purposes :)

Respectfully


Brian

[Andrew Hewlett]

So please take a breath and be repectfull, would you like I tell you : take your med and go play with your hv20 on weddings? no?


I'm a wedding/portrait photographer, not a wedding videographer. Oh the irony! I'm being silly.

[lisa hayse]

This is really getting heated up here.

Guys, there is a lot to look forward to when NAB hits.
A lot of unveiling for many companies and new products
that are going to blow our minds with price, function and
quality in the good and bad way.

Let's actually examine these products first hand and
leave it till then if they are all worth it.

With the growing competition, the customers are at
the advantage for a change.

[Juan Kaballero]

you're right Lisa

[Rocco Schult]

..on a site, which is home to a $17,500 camera body that is comparable to a $250,000 camera. ..

rockoblm - Put perfect.

Citizen K - Theres a 95$ difference. Thats all I see. Nobody promised all you get now for 795 for 500. It was plain clear that this would not be a "no worries" package, but a start. And the price was an estimate. Still pretty close, still a steal deal.

Stop complaining, its ridicilous.
When I read this thread I want news, instead I see only "its not 500" whining.