RED India - Day1

[Chuck T.]

First day's shoot using: RED 300mm, RED 18mm to 50mm and a set of Master Primes.

[Floris Liesker]

wow. That first picture with the sun in it. Still so much detail in the stones.

what build firmware do you use?
It doesnt seem to do the black spot in bright areas, like the sun.

[Chuck T.]

what build firmware do you use?


Firmware: Release Build 9

[Floris Liesker]

Ah. Careful with that one ;)
All cams in my neighbourhood have gone back to 8 as 9 has got a bad reputation. Hope you brought 8 with you on CF?

[Chuck T.]

Ah. Careful with that one ;)
All cams in my neighbourhood have gone back to 8 as 9 has got a bad reputation. Hope you brought 8 with you on CF?
Did not have any major issues... "Recoding Error" twice.

[jimhare]

Some stunning imagery there. Any particular problems or surprises working with the RED1?

[Carlo Rho]

Day 1... I hope to see many photos and clips like these, have a nice trip!

[Chuck T.]

Some stunning imagery there. Any particular problems or surprises working with the RED1?
Thank you...

We had "recoding error" issue few times, other than that it was trouble free. It can get hot...! This is a good month to shoot in India; April - July will be tough.

[Jason Francois]

Very great shots. Thanks for sharing.

[Keith Alan Morris]

thats some hot shit, homey.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Build 9's update, version 1.5.1 has no recording errors from what i've seen as of yet, spent an entire day shooting on it and it was problem free, atleast with the cam we were shooting on.

The Brain, would you mind pointing out which shots were on which lens?

[Dan Blanchett]

Awesome. Nice pics, Mr. Brain!

[Chuck T.]

The Brain, would you mind pointing out which shots were on which lens?
Will do... so far the master primes perform great.

[Greg M]

Build 9's update, version 1.5.1 has no recording errors from what i've seen as of yet, spent an entire day shooting on it and it was problem free, atleast with the cam we were shooting on.

The Brain, would you mind pointing out which shots were on which lens?


We have been shooting w/ 1.51 for several days and it is very solid.

[Jannard]

Make sure to remove the "Winter strips" on the lower left side of the camera...

Jim

[Álex Montoya]

Amazing footage. Any chance to see it a lil' bigger?

[Justin Anderson]

Amazing footage. Any chance to see it a lil' bigger?

...and in motion. :weight_lift:

[Chuck T.]

In the process of going through DI (@4k using da Vinci)... will post high rez files shortly.

[Chuck T.]

Make sure to remove the "Winter strips" on the lower left side of the camera...
Jim
Thx... that should help.

[Brook Willard]

Build 9's stability seems to vary greatly on the camera body you're using. It's much more solid on batch 3 cameras than batch 1 and 2... but I know one person's batch 2 that was heavily reworked by RED that build 9 runs flawlessly on. So who knows?

[Chuck T.]

Overall the camera is quite stable... We have a major shoot/test coming up next week; will be good to see how it does.

[Scott Webster]

Build 9's stability seems to vary greatly on the camera body you're using. It's much more solid on batch 3 cameras than batch 1 and 2... but I know one person's batch 2 that was heavily reworked by RED that build 9 runs flawlessly on. So who knows?

Interesting thought Brook. You would assume hardware would be the same for cameras 1-100 to aid firmware roll out. With all hardware being equal it would be faster in tracking down bugs and issuing a cure all patch to all 100 cameras.

Maybe the recall of cameras 1-100 will mean a base hardware standard will be established prior to rolling out cameras 101+?

[Casey Green]

First day's shoot using: RED 300mm, RED 18mm to 50mm and a set of Master Primes.

Nice shots, Brain!

Narf!

[Hayden Rivers]

So awesome. Can we get some footage?

[Stephen Williams]

Build 9's stability seems to vary greatly on the camera body you're using. It's much more solid on batch 3 cameras than batch 1 and 2... but I know one person's batch 2 that was heavily reworked by RED that build 9 runs flawlessly on. So who knows?

Hi Brook,

So not all Red's are equal, thats good to know.

Stephen

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Originally Posted by Jannard View Post
Make sure to remove the "Winter strips" on the lower left side of the camera...
Jim


brain
Thx... that should help.


what are winter strips and for what should removing them help. can someone explain this please.

thanks

[Brook Willard]

Hi Brook,

So not all Red's are equal, thats good to know.

Stephen

This is all as far as I know. It could be purely coincidence.

I can tell you that the bodies are certainly not the same. For example, I'm not quite sure how one would gain access to the winter strips on a 1-50 body... whereas it's easy on a 51-100 body.

I don't know if the differences between batches are only skin deep.

[jbeale]

I don't know if it's true now, but I know one major mfr. of FPGAs (and there aren't that many) had some issues with some of their chips that would only show up with certain firmware loads. Their testing had missed it but the product my company was making exposed the problem. It was difficult to get them to admit the problem, but eventually they made a change that fixed it in their newer chips, but as far I know they did not inform anyone of the "fix" (maybe then have to admit the problem.) So just FYI, stuff like that can happen, and it's not all within Red's control or even awareness maybe. Also, the "big" chip customers (1000s of units a month) get better treatment generally than the little guys.

[Stuart English]

Build 9's stability seems to vary greatly on the camera body you're using.

Would like to see some evidence to back up that comment Brook.....

Camera performance is expected to be the same across all in-the-field cameras

[Rick Darge]

WTF are winter strips??

[Cüneyt Kaya]

WTF are winter strips??

better then my post...i want to know,too...so please

[Brook Willard]

Winter strips are little filter strips that hide behind two access panels in the cooling area of cameras batch 3+ cameras. You remove one allen key per access panel and one phillips screw per filter to remove the strips.

As far as I can tell, they simply offer filtration to keep gunk out of the cooling area of the camera. Airflow is significantly increased by removing them, so I imagine that there is a significant boost in the efficiency of the cooling system with them removed.

[Brook Willard]

Would like to see some evidence to back up that comment Brook.....

Camera performance is expected to be the same across all in-the-field cameras

When I installed build 9 on #17, the camera locked up about 5-10 times before I was able to get deep enough into the menus to put build 8 back on. The menu/screen on the back of the camera stopped accepting input. Your post got me curious, thinking it might've been gremlins, so I gave it another go - same bugs.

That said, it was quite smooth on a 3rd batch camera that I had it on the other day. I've also heard that it's quite reliable on Dino's #31 [which I've heard is somehow different internally than other cameras?] and I've read the posts in the help section that show some people are having pretty good luck with it.

You'd certainly know better than I would - like I said, it was all just as far as I know. My experience with build 9 has been shaky enough at this point to keep it out of production environments [as recommended on the support site].

If you say the cameras are the same, I completely retract my speculation and apologize for giving anybody the wrong idea. I blame gremlins or luck on the bugs I've hit.

I will say that I have not had enough time with 1.51 to feel comfortable commenting on it.

The camera's working for the next few days, but when I get some down time with it I'll do a bug hunt report for you.

[Greg M]

Brook, are you talking about 1.5.0 or 1.5.1?

1.50 had issues, but 1.51 is solid...we tried to crash it and couldn't.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Build 9's stability seems to vary greatly on the camera body you're using. It's much more solid on batch 3 cameras than batch 1 and 2... but I know one person's batch 2 that was heavily reworked by RED that build 9 runs flawlessly on. So who knows?

Ive worked with both batch 2 and 3 cameras and found that the batch 3 cam had some errors, and the batch 2 cam ran flawless on 1.5.1.

The batch 3 cam had image anomalies during recording..... Half of the frame was green, then blue, or had blue pixelaton throughout the frame, it was very odd. I began to think that it was being caused by high contrast situations, bit it was all too similar to the errors that were found in builds 1-3.

[Brook Willard]

I must assume as a result that the batch distinctions are irrelevant... that there must be some other variable that we're not seeing.

For what it's worth, I just put 1.51 on the camera and couldn't crash it. I didn't get to try and crash it in my usual way [high frequency overexposure], but I'm much happier with 1.51 than I was with 1.50.

I'll have a pocket full of SD cards tomorrow.

[Alexander Nikishin]

I definitely thinks it's a situational occurence based on the way REDcode handles different lighting scenarios.

[Stuart English]

High frequency (detail) with overexposure induced codec error was fixed by Build 8 v1.3.6, and hence it is in any later builds too.

BETA Build 9 v1.5.1 is more stable than v1.5.0 - we had a bug introduced by on-camera Playback, so I'd personally run 1.3.6 or 1.5.1

[Alexander Nikishin]

High frequency (detail) with overexposure induced codec error was fixed by Build 8 v1.3.6, and hence it is in any later builds too.

BETA Build 9 v1.5.1 is more stable than v1.5.0 - we had a bug introduced by on-camera Playback, so I'd personally run 1.3.6 or 1.5.1

I had a shoot this past week in which the B cam had a split screen effect (half green or blue frame) much like if not exactly like that which was found in build 1-3.

Both A cam and B had v1.5.1 installed. A cam was absolutely problem free.

If I remember correctly, the problem occured when the camera was pointed at a blown out window with the remainder of the frame having both solid blacks and a mid exposure to it.

I'll try and get the files to you.

[Michel Hafner]

In the process of going through DI (@4k using da Vinci)... will post high rez files shortly.
Which facility in Mumbai are you using? Are the Bollywood producers already lining up?

[Chuck T.]

Which facility in Mumbai are you using? Are the Bollywood producers already lining up?
There are several facilities that are working on test... This will be the first project in India so producers will wait and see how this will workout . The team that is executing this is probably one of the most respected one in the country.

[Babu Kantamneni]

Glad to see your post.
best of luck with your test.
Babu

[Babu Kantamneni]

Two questions?
How did you carry it on?(What case?)
How was the customs?Simple declaration that you are bringing back with you?Any fees?
Thanks,
babu

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Winter strips are little filter strips that hide behind two access panels in the cooling area of cameras batch 3+ cameras. You remove one allen key per access panel and one phillips screw per filter to remove the strips.

As far as I can tell, they simply offer filtration to keep gunk out of the cooling area of the camera. Airflow is significantly increased by removing them, so I imagine that there is a significant boost in the efficiency of the cooling system with them removed.

hi any explanation pics please if you have

[tror53]

This will be the first project in India so producers will wait and see how this will workout . The team that is executing this is probably one of the most respected one in the country.

Great stuff. I'm interested to see how how the camera is received in India.

[Michel Hafner]

There are several facilities that are working on test... This will be the first project in India so producers will wait and see how this will workout . The team that is executing this is probably one of the most respected one in the country.
Prasad, Adlabs...
Hope it works out so we can soon buy good quality HD from Bollywood. So far nothing in HD and not many quality DVDs either out of thousands.

[Chuck T.]

How did you carry it on?(What case?)
How was the customs?Simple declaration that you are bringing back with you?Any fees?

Used a Pelican 1520 as a carry on (Camera, 18-50 Lens & 300 Lens)
Customs... should not be an issue :biggrin:

[Babu Kantamneni]

Used a Pelican 1520 as a carry on (Camera, 18-50 Lens & 300 Lens)
Customs... should not be an issue :biggrin:

Thank you

[Brook Willard]

High frequency (detail) with overexposure induced codec error was fixed by Build 8 v1.3.6, and hence it is in any later builds too.

BETA Build 9 v1.5.1 is more stable than v1.5.0 - we had a bug introduced by on-camera Playback, so I'd personally run 1.3.6 or 1.5.1

I spent a day with 1.51 in a *very* challenging environment. It officially rocks my world.

Thanks for putting up with me. :wink:

[Pierce Cook]

I just got excited all over again looking at these - very nice.

[Chuck T.]

I just got excited all over again looking at these - very nice.
Thx... I have new stuff that i will be posting later this week.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Great!

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Thx... I have new stuff that i will be posting later this week.

Can't wait:innocent:

[Álex Montoya]

Yeah. Me too!

[harjotsingh]

why in india? I hope the dirt and smog was okay. I see the haze. What part of India did you shot?

[Chuck T.]

why in india? I hope the dirt and smog was okay. I see the haze. What part of India did you shot? I think this will be a good tool (creatively) for my upcoming project based out of India. I am shooting allover India, the first pics u see are shot in Bombay. You have to deal with the local conditions... and it was not that bad.
Also a technology like this will have an significant impact on a market like India; which produces the maximum number of film in the world ever year.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Why not India??

And The Brain is so right, Bollywood + RedOne = explosive mix

Emmanuel

[Álex Montoya]

The Brain, I am anxiously waiting for your new footage.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Hey Concrete, are you from Saragoza?
I hope I didn't mispell it too badly.

Emmanuel

[Álex Montoya]

Nope. Valencia.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Valencia… El Cid.
Congrats.

[Álex Montoya]

Hey, Thebrain. Are you still wanting to post more footage form your India adventure?

[Jannard]

The "winter strips" we not supposed to be installed in 51-100, rather put in the box with an explanation. Not only are they a filter, but they restrict the amount of airflow (cold air) into the camera... thereby keeping the camera warmer. We will have "summer strips" pretty soon that you can install in hot and dusty conditions. Airflow is minimally restricted but the filters do a good job of keeping crap out of the body. Please don't ask "when?". We'll make them available when they are finished.

Jim

[Chuck T.]

Just got back from India....

1. We shot 4k on RED
2. DI on Luster
3. Arri Laser back to film (scope)

Overall the camera performed better than expected, the final result looks great. We will use RED for the upcoming feature.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

HiiHaaa

[Álex Montoya]

Any chance to see frame grabs, TheBrain?

[vinodkumar]

red in india? wooooooow can i contact anyone who use it here? hehe

[Anupam]

Nice report. We are eagerly waiting for the footage, if you can add one or give us the links.