Will it be possible?

[purefilm]

Will it ever be possible to shoot high frame rates at 4K, or is this a issue that will be solved in future hardware upgrades?

[Babu Kantamneni]

Will it ever be possible to shoot high frame rates at 4K, or is this a issue that will be solved in future hardware upgrades?

With raw port when available.
babu

[purefilm]

Raw port? What is this?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

The RAW PORT is a factory-installed module that goes where the FLASH MODULE does on the side of the camera. It allows for an uncompressed RAW data stream out of the camera (probably by single-mode fiber 10G ethernet). You would then need an external recorder and capable disk array to capture and/or process this data stream. This way, the entire 4.5K resolution can be captured at up to 60fps or 2K windowed at up to 120fps.

4K at high frame rates (in excess of 30fps) are probably not going to happen onboard the camera with the current hardware. There just isn't enough processing power to handle that much data on-board. I'm sure that will become possible at some point in the future with other hardware and software upgrades to the camera.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

The RAW PORT is a factory-installed module that goes where the FLASH MODULE does on the side of the camera. It allows for an uncompressed RAW data stream out of the camera (probably by single-mode fiber 10G ethernet). You would then need an external recorder and capable disk array to capture and/or process this data stream. This way, the entire 4.5K resolution can be captured at up to 60fps or 2K windowed at up to 120fps.

4K at high frame rates (in excess of 30fps) are probably not going to happen onboard the camera with the current hardware. There just isn't enough processing power to handle that much data on-board. I'm sure that will become possible at some point in the future with other hardware and software upgrades to the camera.


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[Babu Kantamneni]

The RAW PORT is a factory-installed module that goes where the FLASH MODULE does on the side of the camera. It allows for an uncompressed RAW data stream out of the camera (probably by single-mode fiber 10G ethernet). You would then need an external recorder and capable disk array to capture and/or process this data stream. This way, the entire 4.5K resolution can be captured at up to 60fps or 2K windowed at up to 120fps.

4K at high frame rates (in excess of 30fps) are probably not going to happen onboard the camera with the current hardware. There just isn't enough processing power to handle that much data on-board. I'm sure that will become possible at some point in the future with other hardware and software upgrades to the camera.

Thanks for answering.So right now even with rawport max 30fps?
do we have rawport available?
Thx,
babu

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Thanks for answering.So right now even with rawport max 30fps?
do we have rawport available?
Thx,
babu

Right now, I think 4K on the camera is limited to 25fps, but I know we're all hoping they can get it to 30fps.

4.5K up to 60fps will be possible with the RAW port.

RAW port is not available yet.

[Sam Druckerman]

Jeff, you're fast LOL...

Also,

The Raw data port last seen listed @ $6,500.00 isn't on the RED web page at this time and as we know "Everything is subject to change".

Jim has stated that many industry experts failed to tell the difference between Redcode Raw and Uncompressed Raw on the Big screen when both were screened back to back.

[PaulClements]

Given the camera currently does/or is expected to do 4K 30fps and 2K 100fps RedCode RAW, I wonder whether the 2K output on the RAW port might be a bit higher than 120fps.

Another question is: will one be able to output RedCode RAW on the RAW port allowing for even faster 4K and 2K clips, after all the projected 4K 60fps and 2K 120fps is using uncompressed data, which I recall is about 12 times the amount of information than the compressed data. What if anything would stop that bandwidth being used to increase the frames per second for compressed data even further? 500fps might not be out of the realms of possibilities if there isn't a bottleneck in the sensor or other internals of the camera.

[Adrian T.]

Given the camera currently does/or is expected to do 4K 30fps and 2K 100fps RedCode RAW, I wonder whether the 2K output on the RAW port might be a bit higher than 120fps.

Another question is: will one be able to output RedCode RAW on the RAW port allowing for even faster 4K and 2K clips, after all the projected 4K 60fps and 2K 120fps is using uncompressed data, which I recall is about 12 times the amount of information than the compressed data. What if anything would stop that bandwidth being used to increase the frames per second for compressed data even further? 500fps might not be out of the realms of possibilities if there isn't a bottleneck in the sensor or other internals of the camera.

Jim stated many times that the sensor is not capable of doing more than 60 fps 4K or 120 fps 2K.

[Michael Stanmore]

But in 2 years we'll all be bringing our Red cameras in and handing over some dough for them to take out the sensor and put in the sensor mach 2, which will give us 60 or 120 or who knows frames at 4K...

[Babu Kantamneni]

Right now, I think 4K on the camera is limited to 25fps, but I know we're all hoping they can get it to 30fps.

4.5K up to 60fps will be possible with the RAW port.

RAW port is not available yet.

Thanks

[Rudi Herbert]

If we assume that we have the raw port up and running and connected to a very fast computer via fibre channel, what is the maximum frame rate we could get in 4 K? Would 60 fps be the ABSOLUTE max ever regardless of where and how it is recorded? Is that a limitation of the Mysterium sensor, of digital sensors in general, what exactly? What is the absolute highest frame rate we could squeeze out of the RED, bypassing about onboard recording?

[Babu Kantamneni]

If we assume that we have the raw port up and running and connected to a very fast computer via fibre channel, what is the maximum frame rate we could get in 4 K? Would 60 fps be the ABSOLUTE max ever regardless of where and how it is recorded? Is that a limitation of the Mysterium sensor, of digital sensors in general, what exactly? What is the absolute highest frame rate we could squeeze out of the RED, bypassing about onboard recording?

Anyone?

[Seth Larney]

If we assume that we have the raw port up and running and connected to a very fast computer via fibre channel, what is the maximum frame rate we could get in 4 K? Would 60 fps be the ABSOLUTE max ever regardless of where and how it is recorded? Is that a limitation of the Mysterium sensor, of digital sensors in general, what exactly? What is the absolute highest frame rate we could squeeze out of the RED, bypassing about onboard recording?

Hi Rudi.

60fps will always be the maximum of the Mysterium at 4K, regardless of the capture process. This is the maximum scanrate of the sensor at full res, so higher framerates at that resolution will require a sensor upgrade in the least.

Cheers,
Seth.

[Rudi Herbert]

Seth,

Simple and to the point, thanks a lot. Do we know what the highest frame rates are for the few other 4 K cameras in the market?