REDCINE Information

[Brent@RED]

Below is some information that should answer a lot of your initial questions about beta REDCINE (download on RED.com/support):

NOTE: REDCINE 1.0.60 is a beta software release. This software is for preview and testing purposes only. Beta software should not be used on commercial projects.


OPERATING SYSTEMS:

Mac - REDCINE should be used only on Tiger OSX. Testing has not been done in Leopard.

PC – REDCINE should only be used on Windows XP Professional 32-bit with Service Pack 2. Testing has not been done on Vista.


KNOWN ISSUES:

NR value is not persisting. It reverts back to LOW as soon as current frame is changed.

New project sets the viewer to 1:1 instead of FIT.

Selecting the current frame advances the viewer image +1 frame but the actual number is not updated. Results in wrong value being used. Manually changing the current frame corrects this.

OSX ONLY -- if a QT file is selected in the Finder and you try to re-render over that file, REDCINE will fail. Unselect the file in Finder and renders will work.


CLEAN INSTALLS:

When upgrading from previous builds of REDCINE you must remove certain folders. BACKUP ALL FOLDERS BEFORE DELETING THEM AS THIS WILL REMOVE ALL CURRENT REDCINE PROJECTS.


Windows:
Be sure to save the current REDCINE timeline you are working on and exit REDCINE.

Backup the following folders: C:\Program Files\REDCINE and C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\REDCINE

Remove REDCINE using ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS

Delete the folders; C:\Program Files\REDCINE and C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\REDCINE

Install the new build of REDCINE by double-clicking on the .msi installer

You can access saved REDCINE Projects from the backup you created.

OSX:
Be sure to save the current REDCINE timeline you are working on and exit REDCINE.

Backup the following folder: Install Disk\Library\REDCINE

Delete the folder: Install Disk\Library\REDCINE

Double-click the disk image that was included in the installer zip, which will open a folder with the application package.

Drag the package into the Application folder


SUPPORT:
REDCINE Beta is not directly supported by RED. All technical questions should be directed to the REDUSER.NET online community in this REDCINE Workflow sub-forum.

REDCINE tutorials are available. Below is an overview of each tutorial and download links:


Interface Overview: This tutorial provides a quick pass through all the different menus, with basic how-to and application paradigms.
• Viewport
• Menubar
• Play controls
• Mini timeline
• Range button
• Main menu area - project, shot, color, output
• Tray
• Library
• Version Stack


Project: This tutorial goes into detail into the Project Area of the Main Menu. The Project menus allow for creating REDCINE projects and defining parameters of those projects such as resolution, aspect ratio, and framerate.
• Creating and Saving Projects
• Importing Shots directly from Player
• Format Settings - Working resolution of current project
• Anamorphic settings and Framerates
• Color Space and Gamma Options
• Overlay Guides and Color Selection tool
• Viewport Data View


Shot: This tutorial goes into details on the Shot Menu in the Player. The Shot menus control Individual and global shot framing, display individual shot metadata, and allow for renaming and timecode reassignment.
• Clip Naming
• In/Out Points, and Source Timecode assignment
• Shot Framing - Pan & Scan, Tilt & Scan
• Applying Framing to All Shots
• Fixed R3D Metadata Menu


Color: This tutorial goes into detail on the Color Menu in the Player. The Color menus control "one-light" style color correction with REDCINE.
• White Balance
• Curves and Luma Levels
• Color Channels, Brightness, Shadow, Exposure
• Save/Load Color settings
• Copy/Paste Color Settings
• RGB viewer
• Version stack for viewing version/takes


Output: This tutorial goes into detail on the Output Menu in the Player. The Output menu controls all parameters for how files will be rendered from REDCINE.
• Setting Render Location
• File Naming paradigms and assignment
• Output formats
• Output resolutions
• Output processing quality level
• View quality vs. Process quality
• Snapshot settings
• Top Toolbar
• Burn-ins and guide burn-in for rendering
• GO button


Library: This tutorial goes into detail on the Library and paradigms within the Library. The Library provides a global overview of material loaded into REDCINE as shots and version in a visually compelling method.
• Thumbnail options
• Shot, Slots, and Stacks
• Selecting and Multiselecting
• Copying and Trashing shots
• Metadata display

http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/interface_overview.mov
http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/project_settings.mov
http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/shot_settings.mov
http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/color_settings.mov
http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/output_settings.mov
http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/library.mov

Thanks and have fun!
BC

[Jarred Land]

The tutorials at the bottom of Brents post are a great way to get up to speed quickly... i suggest you all take a swing at them.

[Steve Freebairn]

Can we please get a copy of the software even if we don't have our cameras yet? At least offer it to reservation holders, please.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

Nice easy to follow tutorials. Well done guys, well done.

[Jarred Land]

Can we please get a copy of the software even if we don't have our cameras yet? At least offer it to reservation holders, please.

sure. sounds like a reasonable request. Give us a bit to organize this.

[Steve Freebairn]

Thanks Jarred, You rock! That was way fast.

[mikeburton]

that would be awesome if we reservation holders could have access.
Thanks!

[feb31films]

Thanks Jarred! My Red isn't due for another 6-8 weeks, but if I could t least have a crack at the Redcine tutorials, it would be a tremendous help. You guys continue to amaze.

[Clint Johnson]

Thanks Jarred, You rock! That was way fast.

There seems to be a common thread through they... uhh... threads... that Jarrad does in fact rock.

[Jarred Land]

One thing to note while we get the public download ready.. Redcine is a Beta product and technical support is limited to the community... we will all help you out of course here the best we can, but lets keep the Red.com support tickets focused on the Camera.

[Jim Arthurs]

Are there any .R3D clips available to download and experiment with? Pardon me if I've missed it, but I've checked in a few threads and haven't seen mention of actual clips.

For guys without cameras, it would seem pointless to download and mess with REDCINE without them...

[Sam Druckerman]

"REDCINE tutorials are available."

Yes!!!

Thank you guy's.....

[Jarred Land]

Are there any .R3D clips available to download and experiment with? Pardon me if I've missed it, but I've checked in a few threads and haven't seen mention of actual clips.

For guys without cameras, it would seem pointless to download and mess with REDCINE without them...

Jim is hooking you guys up with a sample clip to play around with.. i just gotta get it uploaded.

[Jim Arthurs]

Oh, that sounds great. Thanks Jarred.

[Jarred Land]

ok guys.. Redcine for the world..

http://www.red.com/support

[mikeburton]

Thanks Jarred!!! Downloading now! This forum rocks!!!

[MikeHedge]

wow! let the games begin!

[Justin Kirchhoff]

OMG THIS IS AWESOME!!!!! Running REDCINE on my macbook pro and my 8-core macpro....SOB!!!

[KESLOWCAMERA]

Im looking forward to seeing actual clips but also Brent did a great job with the tutorial.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

how's the uploading of the clip coming along, Jarred?

[Jarred Land]

about a half hour away.. on a slow connection here. Dont worry its worth the wait.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

I'm not worrying at all. I appreciate you guys not sleeping. I'll be up waiting for the goods.

[albert rudnicki]

Looks marvelous
Thank you:)

[Ryota Kurata]

Thanks Jarred! I am very glad and post for the first time.
Thank you very much!

[IAN SUN]

Jarred you guys are freakin GODS!
I'm loving it!

[jbeale]

Thanks very much for the open beta! Anxiously awaiting appearance of any .R3D files to try. Even just a single frame would be quite interesting.

I understand there is no formal support, but is there some organized way that we should document misbehaviors, should any occur ?

I'm running the recommended WinXP Pro XP2 32-bit system with 2 GB ram. Redcine opens up just fine, but after clicking around randomly, switching to "color" mode and tweeking the curves widget, the mouse freezes and the computer makes a short beep at about 30 second intervals while CPU is pegged at 50%. Of course, I have no .R3D file loaded yet in the program. Maybe that is the problem (?)

[Lucas Wilson]

I'm running the recommended WinXP Pro XP2 32-bit system with 2 GB ram. Redcine opens up just fine, but after clicking around randomly, switching to "color" mode and tweeking the curves widget, the mouse freezes and the computer makes a short beep at about 30 second intervals while CPU is pegged at 50%. Of course, I have no .R3D file loaded yet in the program. Maybe that is the problem (?)

No R3D files is not the problem.

What graphics card and driver are you running? On XP - NVidia Quadro-core is what is recommended, and download the most recent drivers from the NVidia site.

If you're just running integrated mobo gfx on an older computer, things could get unpleasant. Take a look in your logfile close to the top where it has all the info about your gfx config (OpenGL section.) Does everthing say "available," or are there lots of "not available," and other ominous sounding stuff?

Lucas
------
ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

[jbeale]

Thanks for the quick response! Looking in this logfile:
"C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\REDCINE\Settings\logs\REDCINE.log"

I observe the ominous warnings you mention. It looks like my computer is not worthy.
Maybe the app could say as much in large letters, eg. "don't expect me to work right with such miserable hardware as you've got here, buy a Nvida card..." or similar. Kudos for even attempting to run on junky hardware, though.


22:34:14.84 INFO : REDCINE (Build 0406) started
22:34:16.42 INFO : ================================================== =
: Screen configuration
: ---------------------------------------------------
: Display Device: RADEON 9200 SERIES
: Resolution : 1280x960
: Frequency : 75.0 Hz.
22:34:16.42 INFO : ---------------------------------------------------
: OpenGL Context setup:
: -------------------------------------------------
: OpenGL : 1.3.1050 WinXP Release (RADEON 9200SE DDR x86/SSE2)
: GLEW : 1.4.0
: Swap Control : Swap on v-sync
: Swap Groups : Missing
: Gamma tables : Win32-GDI
: Pixel format : Available
: Pixel buffers : Available
: FP buffers : Missing
: Frame buffers : Missing
: FP textures : Missing
: Fragment Program : Missing
: Occlusion Query : Available
: ARB Shading L1.0 : Missing
: ARB Shading Obj. : Missing
: -------------------------------------------------
: NVidia Control Panel not found..
22:34:16.42 INFO : ---------------------------------------------------
22:34:16.43 ERROR: GFX PB: Unable to find matching pixel format
: : Fallback on 8-bit format
: PB: 'Generic', Create a 2048x1556 Pixel Buffer..
: PB: Ready..
22:34:16.44 INFO : 3D LUT: Setup integer texture format
: : No support for non-linear 3D Lookup tables..
22:34:16.45 INFO : ---------------------------------------------------
: OpenGL Framebuffer configuration
: -------------------------------------------------
: Framebuffer : 1280x960 (Double)
: R,G,B,A : 8,8,8,8
: Depth,Stencil : 24 8
: Accumulation : 0
: ---------------------------------------------
: Blend Color : NOT Supported
: Separate Alpha: Supported
: Blend Min/Max : NOT Supported
: ---------------------------------------------
: Texture info : 2048x2048 (Max. RGBA8)
: Texture rect : 2048
: Format buffer : 16 MB
: Texture float : Missing
: Multitexture : 6 units
: Non Power Of 2: NOT Supported
: Mipmap gen. : Supported
: Texture clamp : EDGE, BORDER
: Render to tex.: Supported

[Lucas Wilson]

Thanks for the quick response! Looking in this logfile:
"C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\REDCINE\Settings\logs\REDCINE.log"

I observe the ominous warnings you mention. It looks like my computer is not worthy.

22:34:14.84 INFO : REDCINE (Build 0406) started
22:34:16.42 INFO : ================================================== =
: Screen configuration
: ---------------------------------------------------
: Display Device: RADEON 9200 SERIES
: Resolution : 1280x960
: Frequency : 75.0 Hz.
22:34:16.42 INFO : ---------------------------------------------------
: OpenGL Context setup:
: -------------------------------------------------
: OpenGL : 1.3.1050 WinXP Release (RADEON 9200SE DDR x86/SSE2)
: GLEW : 1.4.0
: Swap Control : Swap on v-sync
: Swap Groups : Missing
: Gamma tables : Win32-GDI
: Pixel format : Available
: Pixel buffers : Available
: FP buffers : Missing
: Frame buffers : Missing
: FP textures : Missing
: Fragment Program : Missing
: Occlusion Query : Available
: ARB Shading L1.0 : Missing
: ARB Shading Obj. : Missing
: -------------------------------------------------
: NVidia Control Panel not found..
22:34:16.42 INFO : ---------------------------------------------------
22:34:16.43 ERROR: GFX PB: Unable to find matching pixel format
: : Fallback on 8-bit format

Unfortunately, you are correct. Although you may be worthy, your computer is not. Embedded ATI mobo gfx on XP are not great for GPU-enhanced OpenGL apps. Not a lot of goodness there.

You will probably be able to see R3D clips, but not do any color manipulations.

Stroll down to Best Buy tomorrow and spend a few hundred for a Quadro card of some kind and things will improve. Grand Theft Auto will run better too.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

[Gunleik Groven]

Thanks guys!

Can't wait!

Gunleik

[Jarred Land]

here you guys go... 1st R3D clip.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=107879#post107879

[Stacey Spears]

Is there a preferred method for submitting bugs? Post on the forum, send in email, etc...

[Jarred Land]

post it on the forum, with the word BUG - as a preface in the title.

[MikeHedge]

do us XP guys need any quicktime plug in? I have Redcine working. I loaded the file you posted (r3d). I could see the file name but no image.

[Álex Montoya]

I love REDCINE, but I'm missing the histogram. Is there anywhere to be found?

[Simon Blackledge]

Swipe top of frame.

Top right.. Hist ...

its a floating window

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[david farland]

After I download thw 'RedCine060_XP.zip files (3.2MB) I get the error message: 'The archive is either unknown format or damaged'
Done it on 2 computers now and get the same message.
Any clues?

[Álex Montoya]

Amazing. Thanks, Flame.

[Álex Montoya]

My download failed once as well, David. Try many times with different browsers.

REDCINE may be beta but works flawlessly as far as I've seen. My only little complain is that the swipe menus are not appearing and disappearing too fluently in my computer.

[Mark L. Pederson]

REDCINE may be beta but works flawlessly as far as I've seen.

NOT. There are bugs. Per the RED website - do NOT use this on a commercial project. Find the bugs and report them. That's what we are doing. For example, try exporting with a pulldown and check the TC, etc.

[Stephen Gentle]

Thanks Jarred, Brent and Jim!

Looks awesome so far... Now I just have to wait for the sample clip to download....

[Panos Bournias]

I try to unzip the File and get all the time the same error:
Archive Utility
Unable to unarchive "RedCine060_zip"into Desktop
(Error 22- Invalid argument.)

Does anyone else has the same problem or is my computer- Macbook pro
Please advise
Panos

[Columbus]

I try to unzip the File and get all the time the same error:
Archive Utility
Unable to unarchive "RedCine060_zip"into Desktop
(Error 22- Invalid argument.)

Does anyone else has the same problem or is my computer- Macbook pro
Please advise
Panos
I had the same problem on my mbp, I just waited till everything else had downloaded and then downloaded redcine on it own, seemed to work don't know why.

[Mark L. Pederson]

I STRONGLY suggest a REDCINE section on the forum - and a sticky of KNOWN ISSUES -

now that the beta is "public" - this forum is gonna light up like a Christmas tree -

this is still, IMHO, very BETA -

for example:

REEL # do NOT transfer to rendered QT yet (same as RedAlert w/wrappers)

We have interns manually entering Reel numbers ALL DAY LONG in FCP (which does re-write the meta-data) - so, we will keep howling for that - without it - EDL is useless.

I just hope that time and energy of the REDCINE team is first spent on feedback and bugs - not answering tons of basic questions because thorough documentation does not yet exist.

It's gonna be AWESOME - I just fear many folks will not heed the "do not use on commercial project" warning -

Play with it - try to break it - report bugs - welcome to beta-ville

[Simon Blackledge]

Mark,

Good points.

So when you re name the reels in fcp that are your prores renders? or the Wrapped r3d files?


When you then export your EDL.. what are you using to conform ?


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[Mark L. Pederson]

Mark,

Good points.

So when you re name the reels in fcp that are your prores renders? or the Wrapped r3d files?


wrappers AND 1K prores renders - we are testing several workflows at the same time over here -



When you then export your EDL.. what are you using to conform ?


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SCRATCH SCRATCH SCRATCH

But you can conform in FCP from EDL as well.

[Panos Bournias]

No way for me, same error even now that it is the only file to download. Anybody... We also want to play guys...

[Tom Tomlinson]

I keep getting "application not supported on this system"
PowerPCG4 OSX 10.4.10

Any advice?

[Kevin Halverson]

Unfortunately, you are correct. Although you may be worthy, your computer is not. Embedded ATI mobo gfx on XP are not great for GPU-enhanced OpenGL apps. Not a lot of goodness there.

You will probably be able to see R3D clips, but not do any color manipulations.

Stroll down to Best Buy tomorrow and spend a few hundred for a Quadro card of some kind and things will improve. Grand Theft Auto will run better too.

Lucas
------
ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

Hey Lucas,

Would you be willing to suggest a good-better-best list of graphics cards? I know that the MaxCube has a Quadro FX 5500 SDI as part of the package, but is a lesser Quadro (3500, 4500) also acceptable? Is there a decent "entry" level that you would recommend as a starting point?

Thanks,

Kevin

[Evan Owen]

I keep getting "application not supported on this system"
PowerPCG4 OSX 10.4.10

Any advice?

Buy an Intel-based Mac. :blink:

[david farland]

I'm working now. Downloaded from the link in the release notes!

[Fredrik Harreschou]

REDCINE may be beta but works flawlessly as far as I've seen. My only little complain is that the swipe menus are not appearing and disappearing too fluently in my computer.

Are you using a Wacom? In that case I think it's recommended to slightly shrink your screen area in all directions in the Tablet Properties. So you don't have to swipe all the way to the end of the tablet before the menus appear/disappear. This is actually a Scratch "tip" but I believe it could be related...:wink:

[Nook Kim]

Shouldn't this be a sticky?

[Daniell Simmons]

I've got a Quadro FX 1300 and get the following errors

16:39:30.26 WARN : Shader: 1D LUT texture(1) failed..: OpenGL Error - Invalid enumerant
16:39:30.26 WARN : Shader: 1D LUT texture(2) failed..: OpenGL Error - Invalid enumerant

I can see the image with colour correction turned off, but not with it turned on. I can't export etc.

Ben




Hey Lucas,

Would you be willing to suggest a good-better-best list of graphics cards? I know that the MaxCube has a Quadro FX 5500 SDI as part of the package, but is a lesser Quadro (3500, 4500) also acceptable? Is there a decent "entry" level that you would recommend as a starting point?

Thanks,

Kevin

[Daniell Simmons]

sounds good

[Gunleik Groven]

Hi.

Are there any new tutorials out for new RedCine releases?

Cheers!

G

[A. Bastaki]

wow... that was great... redcine is one hell of an app

THIS.. Should be a Sticky.
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[Nir Shelter]

Redcine is an awesome app... not an original line I know, but damn I'm loving it.
I do have a question possibly will be resolved in future builds but for the time being a question none the less. The display guide settings in the project settings menu give the option of selecting the time code to be displayed bellow the frame display in the view port. The frame option out of the drop down menu will display a frame count from the entire time line not of individual clips. In the shot settings of the shot menu the in/out options relate to the frames of individual clips not as part of an entire time line frame count. So there is no way to correspond the frame number displayed in the in/out points of the shot settings menu to the frame numbers in the view port. This is when a few clips are in the time line that is.
Or is there? Am I missing something?

[Guilain]

thank u guys for this !
:gun:

[josemnorton]

The tutorials at the bottom of Brents post are a great way to get up to speed quickly... i suggest you all take a swing at them.

Hi Jarred,

I'm getting ready to grade this music video and I wanted to know if there is a list of what each of the output filter do in RedCine anywhere.

I just want to make sure I understand each one.

Did a couple of searches and couldn't find any specific info.

Thanks.