1st clips

[Jarred Land]

have fun guys.. Clips Courtesy of Jim. 4k 2:1, 18-50mm Red Zoom, 23.98

http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/A003_C007_071105_001.R3D 4k 2:1, 18-50mm Red Zoom, 23.98

http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/A001_C006_071102_001.R3D 2k 16:9 72fps

Download REDCINE from www.red.com/support

[luis bustamante]

thanks!

[tror53]

Thanks Jarred!

[mikeburton]

Thanks!

[Stacey Spears]

Thank you!

[Álex Montoya]

Tank you

[Leif Thomas]

Thank you so much for opening the downloadsection for everyone.

[Johan Lindgren]

Thank you.

3 minutes left

[IAN SUN]

Thanks Jarred.
What is it, planes or automobiles? :)

[IAN SUN]

Let the games begin!

[Simon Blackledge]

Thanks.. :D like kids in a sweet shop this! lol..

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[Floris Liesker]

And it does look greeat, this Redcine. Wow.

[Craig Bowman]

Thanks a ton Jarred!

[Ivan G]

Trying to play the file but all I get is a black screen...

Mac Book OS 10.4.10

[thume]

That's great,
thanks a lot.

[Casey Green]

have fun guys.. Clip Courtesy of Jim. 4k 2:1, 18-50mm Red Zoom, 23.98

http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/A003_C007_071105_001.R3D

Download REDCINE from www.red.com/support

Thank you, Jarred.

[Christian Edwards]

this is such a tease !

[IAN SUN]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/228_1195120205.jpg

[sceneeast]

Thanks!

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

Redcine is great!
A couple of comments:

When I loaded the R3D file I had to resize it to 50% to get the whole image.
Apple leopard doesn't seem to have a little RED thumbnail to stick onto the file, (essential to quickly distinguish RED footage from crap footage..)
What settings should we grade our monitors to? 1.8 or REC709?
Are there scopes in REDCINE?
Has anyone done the math on how much we can scale up from 4K to 1080P before the app starts to interpolate pixels from info it doesn't have?
What's Jim's rate as a DoP? :gun: :biggrin:

Many thanks for the great work!

[Álex Montoya]

I must say that while nice, Jim's clip is a wee soft. I mean with that that I've seen RED 4K grabs with clearly more resolution than this one. I don't know if that's a problem with the old mount or something. If anyone can confirm...

Anyway, here's a 2K try:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1434_1195121440.jpg

[Alexander Nikishin]

Beautiful!

[Álex Montoya]

I would like to ask either Mark from Offhollywood or the people from Red Dirt Rising to make publicly available one of their R3D files since I count some of them as the sharpest I've seen so far.

Remember the one of the models, Mark?

[Simon Blackledge]

The CU of the pop promo dude was tack sharp 4k still posted.. any chance?

Wee bit soft... mind that wouldn't be my concern standing that close tbh!lol

think he was focusing blind I recall he said in a post ?

S

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

eh man there's a big difference between filming live action as it happens, in this case enormous powerful motor vehicles moving unpredictably and incredibly fast, and filming a set up where you can measure and measure again..
come on people, we all know that..:biggrin:

[Sanjin Jukic]

Thanks a lot.

Great!

Let me try out.

More later.

[Álex Montoya]

I'm not attacking anyone. I think the softness, which is similar as the one you see in Mike's Curtis footage, comes from a problem they have acknowledged and are working to solve.
And it's not that big an issue since the 2K is completely usable. Focusing this with a closed iris and at that distance shouldn't be a big problem. To me it looks as a backfocus thing.

[Brice Ansel]

have fun guys.. Clip Courtesy of Jim. 4k 2:1, 18-50mm Red Zoom, 23.98

http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/A003_C007_071105_001.R3D

Download REDCINE from www.red.com/support

It sounds like the link for the 3rd file is broken. I can't dowload it. Any ideas guys?
Brice

[Jarred Land]

http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/A001_C006_071102_001.R3D

2k 72fps.

[Simon Blackledge]

Woooo :D

Cheers Jarred

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[Álex Montoya]

Thanks Jarred.

[Brice Ansel]

Still not work for me: (NSURLErrorDomain:-1005)

[P Andersson]

have Redcine installed on a macbook pro, is it possible to get it to open on the external display without having to alter where i keep my menu bar

i also like switching between apps by doing command tab but it doesn't work with redcine open

(stuffit didn't open the zip archive, had to use the archive utility)

[b e n t o n]

Zoooooom!

[Brice Ansel]

Huuumm :safari can't open the page “http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/A003_C007_071105_001.R3D”. : “connexion to the network interrupt” (NSURLErrorDomain:-1005)
No idea on that one?
Thanks

[P Andersson]

rightclick (optionclick) and save to disk

[Brice Ansel]

Na still the same it say connection interrupt.

[Michael Schrengohst]

Link to both dragster clips as WMV HD.
Wanted to see how WMV looks as that is
what I export for most of my PC clients.
Nice clips!

http://www.foclmao.com/RED_BURN_2_cars.wmv

[Nathan Troutman]

Jarred any chance you can also include the quicktime wrappers for these clips so I can play around with the FCS2 plug-in. I'm still on a powerPC G5 so I can't install Redcine and I think all FCS2 users would like to see how this works.

Thanks

[Jannard]

You can also "Make Quicktimes" in RED Alert!

Jim

[Nathan Troutman]

You can also "Make Quicktimes" in RED Alert!

Jim

Unfortunately I'm still on a non-intel Mac (I held off getting the intel because Apple is just days away from unveiling the new Mac Pros with a lot of major upgrades). So I can't run Redcine or Red Alert.

[alex andreermel]

what the diference betwen red cine and red alert?

[Brook Willard]

what the diference betwen red cine and red alert?

Do a quick search.

[Obin Olson]

Now we are cooking with oil!!

[Chris Nuzzaco]

When will Red 4K be enabled? I tried rendering out some 4K tiffs and they came out black. I'm assuming this isn't enabled yet... I had to "step it down" to 4K 2:1.

What really amazes me, is we haven't even seen the cameras full 4K potential yet, at least I haven't via my PC at home following all of this stuff online.

[Andy Fordham]

I have installed this XP Version of Redcine on 2 Pcs and on both machines, the software seems unusable. XP Dell 3.06ghz 1gb ram 1280 x1024 res

The screen goes blank dark grey and by clicking the output window or moving it slightly, the button images disappear off screen.

F1 button repaints the screen when double pressed to see what buttons are available.

Why is the output screen moveable ?

Am i missing something here ? 2 Pcs new dell.


Andy

[albert rudnicki]

Well made application RED !
Has a shake feel to it, but it swings like spoon on the butter.
It feels very "light" I mean
Takes about 2min to learn
Congrats!

Albert

[Brook Willard]

When will Red 4K be enabled? I tried rendering out some 4K tiffs and they came out black. I'm assuming this isn't enabled yet... I had to "step it down" to 4K 2:1.

What really amazes me, is we haven't even seen the cameras full 4K potential yet, at least I haven't via my PC at home following all of this stuff online.

It works fine. It's probably a compatibility problem with your machine.

Either that, or you're working with 2K footage.

Many people have posted TIFFs and JPEGs of 4K footage... so I don't really know what you mean when you say that we haven't seen the full potential of the camera?

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Hey Brook,

I was messing around with the 4K file, and I all I get is black when I use 4K. I have to switch to 4K 2:1. The first post says its a 4K 2:1 file, so maybe thats why.

[Brook Willard]

Ahh, that makes sense. Most footage is 2:1 at this point, though 16:9 is enabled.

[Andy Fordham]

Following my last post,
I have further tied on an acer 3.4ghz 2g ram nVidia GEo 128Mb graphics card.
Application looks stable as in no buttons disappear, but i only get a black window instead of the footage, this with both of the downloaded video files.
I have tried all options , but to no avail, just black.
The Thumbnail of the video at the bottom of the screen is also black.
When i scroll through the frames, still black

Any ideas ?

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Now the clouds clear LOL.

So... in theory, 4K 1:1 should be even better right?

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Following my last post,
I have further tied on an acer 3.4ghz 2g ram nVidia GEo 128Mb graphics card.
Application looks stable as in no buttons disappear, but i only get a black window instead of the footage, this with both of the downloaded video files.
I have tried all options , but to no avail, just black.
The Thumbnail of the video at the bottom of the screen is also black.
When i scroll through the frames, still black

Any ideas ?

It might be the format settings... try 4K 2:1 or something lower.

[Andy Fordham]

I created a new project, 2k Red and selected...
Camera RGB and Gamma Custom , and all loads in Ok, If the gamma is anything other than custom when the file loads in, the screen is all black.

Maybe that "gamma thing"
Recommended .. Do a reboot after install !

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Hi guys, thank you, it works fine for me, a bit buggy, but a lot of fun. Like the GUI and the engine behind. I'm out of the office and play on a LapPro, works.... Thanks a lot, and now ....... the camera, a christmans present?

[Chris Nuzzaco]

The interface looks similar to Lustre.

[Casey Pegram]

How long are rendering times supposed to be, roughly, for Quicktime files? I loaded up A003_C007_071105_001.R3D, played around with the curves, some color adjustments, and set it up as a 2.39:1 frame. I used ProRes 422, Normal Quality, Standard Processing, and set it up to output as a 1K film res file. I'm outputting the whole range (236 frames) and my estimated time is just shy of 3 hours! Is this normal?

I'm on an Intel iMac, the 24" one with the nVidia GeForce 7600GT, 2gb of ram. Curious to hear what kind of output times other people are getting.

The software seems really cool so far.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

So... in theory, 4K 1:1 should be even better right?

There is no 4K 1:1. These are aspect ratio proportions, nothing to do with image quality or compression. 4K 2:1 is 4096x2048 resolution, it was enabled before 4K 16:9 (4096x2304).

[Rob Lohman]

Andy: I'm pretty sure your graphics card is not up to snuff. Especially if you're seeing black frames and the such. Some older graphics cards can't deal with 4K material for example (or do color corrections).

Graphics card is EVERYTHING in REDCINE!

4K (16:9) should work in REDCINE (but not in RED ALERT! or the QuickTime codec!!), however we advice everyone to shoot 4K 2:1 (as all camera owners have been informed) since that is supported on all apps. This will be rectified shortly.

Please remember this is a beta. So if you're posting problems post full system details etc.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

There is no 4K 1:1. These are aspect ratio proportions, nothing to do with image quality or compression. 4K 2:1 is 4096x2048 resolution, it was enabled before 4K 16:9 (4096x2304).

OHHH... now I get it. I thought it was some weird rectangle pixel aspect ratio going on. Now I get it... LOL.

Is "Red One 4K" 4K 16:9 in the program?

[Chris Nuzzaco]

As much as I like the industrial Lustre like interface, I have to say, there needs to be a more user friendly way to minimize the program when you need to.

[Häakon]

there needs to be a more user friendly way to minimize the program when you need to.
Agreed.

[Justin Anderson]

As much as I like the industrial Lustre like interface, I have to say, there needs to be a more user friendly way to minimize the program when you need to.

All your monitor are belong to RED.

[Graeme Nattress]

Hit F10.

Graeme

[jbeale]

Since many of us are new to GPU-based software, I think it would be useful to make a list of video cards that (1) work well & quickly, (2) work well but may be slow, and (3) don't work well or don't work at all, with Redcine.

So far, my understanding is that a Nvidia Quadro FX card should work well, and older Nvidia cards and all other card brands will likely not work at all (?)

Also, I note that "Nvidia Quadro FX" appears to cover quite a range of models, from VCQFX330PCIEPB at $85 to VCQFX5500SDIPCIEPB at $7000.

[Jannard]

Or F11.

Jim

[Alexis Hanawalt]

It looks grainy on my Speak & Spell.

[Brook Willard]

Redcine doesn't run on my IIsi or my Quadra 650. Seriously guys... this is lame.

[SalaTar]

I like "Scratch Lite" RedCine

[Greg M]

Redcine doesn't run on my IIsi or my Quadra 650. Seriously guys... this is lame.

what???
It runs fine on my Timex Sinclair 1000

[LighthouseMEdia]

like it, love it!! Good to know about the f11 key this is really well thought out guys.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

In Leopard -- SPACES. F8 will show you the way.

And it runs just fine on my Trash-80 I hacked to run OSX. I just need to find a way to splice a longer tape reel so I can put that 235MB R3D file on there.

While we're at it, my hippie cousin wants to buy a RED and he's desperately selling all the fresh herb he can grow to raise the funds. It's going to take him a while, so no rush on this, but he refuses to run any OS other than Ubuntu. Any chance of a REDCINE Linux port?

...Yes, that paragraph wasn't entirely serious. I was kidding about everything except my cousin being a hippie.

[Greg M]

tell the cousin to call me, im running low.

[IAN SUN]

By fresh herb are you referring to sage and thyme etc? 'Cause if its the other thing he is selling, he'll be RED in no time.

[smelni]

oh geez - i just exported to import into AVID and then pushed color correction in avid very hard and MY GOD did it stand up well. It takes a whole lot to make this image fall apart - and this was WITHOUT preprocessing in Redcine - so if you do it right its even better

all i can say right now is wow. Great stuff

the only issue is the export time to export files for editing systems - if you shoot 20-30 hours for a feature it could take 6 months to have the files ready :) - I hope that will get better

[Zach Hilton]

I am completely blown away at using Redcine! Easy install, slow on my old P4 computer, but whatcha gonna do. This seriously is the funnest program I've used for a long time! I don't consider myself a colorist AT ALL but playing with Redcine has been a lot of fun. Here's just some fun...once again, I'm not a colorist. I'm just blown away at how far I can take the image and have it still look excellent! Great job guys! Can't wait to get mine!

Note: Any artifacts you are seeing are because of my inexperience with outputting from Redcine. The footage is prestine! And sorry for the large image...couldn't resist.

http://www.freehillproductions.com/RED/Redcine_color.jpg

[Jeff Kilgroe]

By fresh herb are you referring to sage and thyme etc? 'Cause if its the other thing he is selling, he'll be RED in no time.

Please don't analyze... It was a joke. :biggrin: But if you really must know, sage and thyme are correct. Oh, parsley and rosemary too.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

I tried both F10 and F11... none minimized the program... F10 does turn an image border line on and off though, so thats nice. At the moment I'm hitting Ctrl+Alt+Del to bring up my task manager and from there I minimize it, small price to pay I suppose, Lustre is the same way :/

[Brook Willard]

F11 will only work on a Mac - it's an Exposé feature.

[Rob Lohman]

For Windows it's the standard ALT + F9 or Windows key + D

For Mac OS X it's F11

p.s. Brook: it's build into REDCINE, goes around Expose

[Brook Willard]

You know, I wondered about that as I was writing that post. Thanks for catching me.

[Chris Nuzzaco]

Thanks Rob! But I still think there should be a button. A good example would be Avid, I've seen some long time Avid guys do EVERYTHING using the keyboard, but you don't have to, and quite frankly, not all of those key strokes are even documented in Avids own manuals!

I know its a beta build, just trying to give you guys some real world feedback from a real world user :)

[SF Geek]

Obviously this program is still in a Beta version, but I'd really like to see how long the conversion times are. I know it depends on what computer components you have. I'm hoping that somewhere in the realm of real-time will be available soon.

[Mark B.]

Program ran but then locked up and erred out when a background program running in the taskbar alerted a tooltip.

[Justin Anderson]

I am so happy to work with Red footage. Thank you, RED team!

[msadauskas]

So glad to try RedCine finaly! Thank you :)

[Brice Ansel]

I don't understand why I'm the only one who can't download that small r3d clip.

[noclip]

They have some REDCINE tutorial videos at http://www.red.com/support/release_history/6.

[oldphart]

I don't understand why I'm the only one who can't download that small r3d clip.

Could be that it is incorrectly served as:

URL of main page:
http://red.cachefly.net/redcineA003_C007_071105_001.R3D
MIME type from server:
image/vnd.wap.wbmp
Size of main page:
37724940 bytes
Dimensions:
1 × 68 pixels
Depth:
1 bits per pixel
Last modified:
2007-11-15 08:10:40

Somebody will have to teach web servers about the new video format, and serve it as video/x-redcine (or application/octet-stream).

[Zach Hilton]

Selected 106 frames from 4k .r3d file with some color correction. Exported to Apple Quicktime Prores High Quality to 1920 x 1080 and took over an hour. I was on a Quad core Mac with 2 gigs of RAM. It has two graphics cards in there so I'm not sure which one it was going to. I can't remember where I put which graphics card. Anyway, should be interesting to see render times on other machines...and how to optimize your system.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Somebody will have to teach web servers about the new video format, and serve it as video/x-redcine (or application/octet-stream).

That should only be applicable if you want the browser to do something with the file (like pull up the QT plugin and play it). If you're simply copying the file, it makes no difference what associations or types are assigned.

[robbo]

Selected 106 frames from 4k .r3d file with some color correction. Exported to Apple Quicktime Prores High Quality to 1920 x 1080 and took over an hour. I was on a Quad core Mac with 2 gigs of RAM. It has two graphics cards in there so I'm not sure which one it was going to. I can't remember where I put which graphics card. Anyway, should be interesting to see render times on other machines...and how to optimize your system.

Jim's 235 Mb file took me around 5.5 mins for the full file. Same codec for export - you might have a conflict with the two cards there. But I really don't know.
Quad 2.66 - 5 Gb ram - ATI 1900XT
I also have an Aja Kona LSe in there for SD work.

[dvpixl]

hi people, I tried exporting to DV NTSC. reframed it 720x480 so i can play it on my fcp OUT on my TV monitor. the final QT file is all black with a slash of pink glitch. Is export to DV not allowed? No one really said if all the features were or were not enabled. Some people sound like they got it, but I can't even get any of it. nothing. help!

[Lucas Wilson]

Hi all... regarding rendering, I just posted here...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5941

on some render tips. Please read and act accordingly. :)

Lucas
------
ASSIMILATE, INC.
LA, CA, USA

Currently drinking: Full Sail IPA

[Blue]

Good god Lucas, what time is it there?
I know...it's meaningless sometimes. Just two hands on a face.

[Zach Hilton]

Jim's 235 Mb file took me around 5.5 mins for the full file. Same codec for export - you might have a conflict with the two cards there. But I really don't know.
Quad 2.66 - 5 Gb ram - ATI 1900XT
I also have an Aja Kona LSe in there for SD work.

I knew I was doing something wrong. Lucas' post is actually very helpful. Performing another test right now. Thanks Lucas.

[Jarred Land]

I knew I was doing something wrong. Lucas' post is actually very helpful. Performing another test right now. Thanks Lucas.

Lucas saves our ass all the time..

[Greg M]

Found this clip on the Red site...according to the metadata it was shot with the new RED MINI the same day as the first clip but later in the evening...obviously Jim had been drinking a bit.

www.digitalfx.tv/clients/red/dfx/DragsterPanScan.mov

[Anthony Gratl]

Lucas saves our ass all the time..

maybe that's why he works for assimiliate :shifty:

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Someone pinch me.

[Dave Cooper]

Found this clip on the Red site...according to the metadata it was shot with the new RED MINI the same day as the first clip but later in the evening...obviously Jim had been drinking a bit.

www.digitalfx.tv/clients/red/dfx/DragsterPanScan.mov

Whatever you used to zoom in and pan, it left a ton of blended frames.

[Greg M]

Whatever you used to zoom in and pan, it left a ton of blended frames.

AE- I think he did that on purpose

[oldphart]

That should only be applicable if you want the browser to do something with the file (like pull up the QT plugin and play it). If you're simply copying the file, it makes no difference what associations or types are assigned.

Since the server is serving it as image/vnd.wap.wbmp, that is what the browser will treat it as by default unless you have a browser which does not know about WAP.

[dvpixl]

That's a joke right? about RED MINI?

[redcinematographer]

Thanks Chief!

[Andrae Palmer]

Anyone got smooth Full res. High playback on the 4k clip in RedCine? I'm on a Mac Pro 8 core with 9GB, ATI Radeon X1900XT and a RAID-5 and the playback of the 4k clip in Full res. High is very slow. I just want to know if my system is capable of smooth 4k playback for future 4k monitoring.

1/2 Res. High playback and below is smooth.

[Tom Lowe]

Oh man, REDCINE is AWESOME! I love it! This is the first time I have fooled around with it at all. Very cool!

One question: How can I view the 2K clip at full res on my computer? In other words, how do I view them "full screen"?

[Cüneyt Kaya]

Oh man, REDCINE is AWESOME! I love it! This is the first time I have fooled around with it at all. Very cool!

One question: How can I view the 2K clip at full res on my computer? In other words, how do I view them "full screen"?

Player -> Shift+Home.

[Tom Lowe]

Can someone do me a favor and CC one of these clips, then encode and post it was 1080p MOV? I'd like to see how crisp and clear it will look playing full-res on my 1080p screen here, so I can compare it 1080p trailers and bluray rips, etc. The footage I am viewing in REDCINE doesn't seem dazzlingly high res, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.

[Andrae Palmer]

Anyway to have Digital Cinema Desktop Preview like in FCP? I have 2 30's.. anyway to split the windows would be cool.

[Dave Cooper]

AE- I think he did that on purpose

Blended frames on purpose? Impossible.


That's a joke right? about RED MINI?

Yes.

[Paul Leeming]

The footage I am viewing in REDCINE doesn't seem dazzlingly high res, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.Tom, you may have the default preview option set to 1/4 quality or 1/2 quality which makes it look low res or pixelated. I thought this too until I watched the instructional videos and saw how you could change the option by clicking on the "Show: Res 1/4 High" or similar button to the bottom left of the preview frame.

HTH

Paul

[Tom Lowe]

I saw that, but my computer won't play "full res" 4K clips. It slows down to a crawl, and I have an Nvidia 8800GTX with 768MBs onboard and a fast new dual-core chip.

That's why I thought it would be nice to see a 1080p CC'd MOV I can play full res on my computer with no problems, to assess the quality.

thanks

[Paul Leeming]

No sweat, I wasn't sure so it was prudent to cover the bases :)

As far as playing 4K Full in real time, my beast (Quad core 3.2GHz, 1600MHZ FSB, GeForce 8800GTX 768MB) has similar issues to yours, so I'm guessing it really is just too CPU/GPU intensive to play out in real time just yet.

Keep up the good work re: your timelapse clips, they rock!

Paul

[Tom Lowe]

Oh thanks.

So can anyone do this? Can I do it myself? I want to see a CC'd MOV encoding of these clips at 1080p?

[Pierce Cook]

I'm a little behind here, but this is just great. Thanks for making this available!

[nlambert]

have fun guys.. Clips Courtesy of Jim. 4k 2:1, 18-50mm Red Zoom, 23.98

http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/A003_C007_071105_001.R3D 4k 2:1, 18-50mm Red Zoom, 23.98

http://red.cachefly.net/redcine/A001_C006_071102_001.R3D 2k 16:9 72fps

Download REDCINE from www.red.com/support

Thanks Jarred & Jim!.
I am just starting to work out a vfx pipeline for RED and wondered if I
could use these to test & demonstrate work, e.g. removal & replacement?

atb,
Nick