New RedCine 1.0.1!!!!!!

[Mike Prevette]

Downloading now from Red.com, you guys don't sleep do you?

[Anders Holck]

Wrong forum :-)

[Jeff Kilgroe]

OK, it's in the right place now.

[Anders Holck]

A New feature is per shot input sharpening:
http://www.andersholck.com/rc1.jpg
Doesn't seem to make any difference currently...

[erbp]

Footage now looks magenta(y). I copied the new version of Redcine over the old. I'm starting to feel like that was a bad idea. I've deleted all the settings in library/redcine and it persists. Is anybody else seeing the same thing?

I'm on a Macbook Pro with Leopard.

[Anders Holck]

Hmm...seems to have a bug at output.
Here is my render screen:
http://www.andersholck.com/rc2.jpg
And the actual output:
http://www.andersholck.com/rc3.jpg

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Uh, oh... I haven't tried it yet... I'll give it a shot here in just a bit.

[Anders Holck]

Footage now looks magenta(y). I copied the new version of Redcine over the old. I'm starting to feel like that was a bad idea. I've deleted all the settings in library/redcine and it persists. Is anybody else seeing the same thing?

I'm on a Macbook Pro with Leopard.

Just found the same bug when I created a new project.

It's a bug in the DRX highlight function.
Try switching to the color panel and set the highlight to 0
That should fix the problem.

[Anders Holck]

http://www.andersholck.com/rc4.gif

[erbp]

It's a bug in the DRX highlight function.
Try switching to the color panel and set the highlight to 0
That should fix the problem.

I see. Also, it looks like the default for highlight is 50 where as before it was 0. Thanks a lot.

[Paolo Tinari]

I'm sorry but still quicktimes stopped at 1st frame (any codec)
And no frames sequences too.
I succeded only once with the first dpx sequence attempt with the previous version. Then end of the game for me. I cant even find the log folder. I know the quicktime issue is common (pc) but the sequences, i'm the only one. I cant even find the log folder...
In the meanwhile i've upgraded to quadro 4500.

[Poi Boy]

So what is better about 1.0.1 ?
Aloha
-A

[Kevin Halverson]

I'm sorry but still quicktimes stopped at 1st frame (any codec)
And no frames sequences too.
I succeded only once with the first dpx sequence attempt with the previous version. Then end of the game for me. I cant even find the log folder. I know the quicktime issue is common (pc) but the sequences, i'm the only one. I cant even find the log folder...
In the meanwhile i've upgraded to quadro 4500.

The log folder should be located in:

c:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/REDCINE/Settings/log

The file is REDCINE.log

The reason you may not be able to locate it is that you will need to go into your 'Folder Options' under 'Tools', select the 'View' tab and under folders, change the preference from 'Do not show hidden files and folders' to 'Show hidden files and folders.

As for your inability to generate output, have you tried changing the file name for subsequent tests? It may not be allowing you to rewrite to the same file name.

[Kevin Halverson]

For anyone running RedCine under XP, I recommend that you look at this bit of information that I posted in a new thread. I solved an issue where, in my installation, RedCine was not utilizing all the available CPU cores.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6176

[Mark L. Pederson]

So what is better about 1.0.1 ?
Aloha
-A
It would be nice if they posted what they fixed and what the know issues are with each build - this is happening for REDALERT and for FIRMWARE - not for REDCINE - unless they have and I just didn't see them ...?

[Rob Lohman]

It would be nice if they posted what they fixed and what the know issues are with each build - this is happening for REDALERT and for FIRMWARE - not for REDCINE - unless they have and I just didn't see them ...?

Working on that...

[Poi Boy]

I've been trying to download it for a couple of hours without any luck, anyone else having trouble ?
Aloha
-A

[Mark L. Pederson]

Working on that...

Thanks Rob!

[Jannard]

I'm sorry but still quicktimes stopped at 1st frame (any codec)
And no frames sequences too.
I succeded only once with the first dpx sequence attempt with the previous version. Then end of the game for me. I cant even find the log folder. I know the quicktime issue is common (pc) but the sequences, i'm the only one. I cant even find the log folder...
In the meanwhile i've upgraded to quadro 4500.

You have to leave the #6.E (or whatever it says) in the name of the file. I made the same mistake myself... :-) It is in the notes, which I never read. Add your file name to the front of that and you are good to go.

Jim

[Joel Kaye]

It is in the notes, which I never read. Add your file name to the front of that and you are good to go.

Oh. Guess I didn't read the notes either. Good tip.

[Rainer Fritz]

so i miss in the new version also a xml input or a bridge to final cut... like color it has... would be very nice don't typing in all the in and outputs.... and the thing with the divided files when they are larger than 2 GB... so my calculator is also allways switched on... and again typing numbers of frames in...

but software is running properly good...

thx for it....

regards
rainer

[Antoine Baumann]

Hmm...seems to have a bug at output.
Here is my render screen:
http://www.andersholck.com/rc2.jpg
And the actual output:
http://www.andersholck.com/rc3.jpg


Anders, not sure it is the problem, but on the print screen I can see you are NOT viewing the shot on the timeline, but the "copy" shot, and REDCINE only output the shots on the timeline. So the problem might be that you have set a scale on the shot that will be output, but not on the one you are viewing.

hope it is clear,
antoine.

[Paolo Tinari]

The log folder should be located in:

c:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/REDCINE/Settings/log

The file is REDCINE.log

The reason you may not be able to locate it is that you will need to go into your 'Folder Options' under 'Tools', select the 'View' tab and under folders, change the preference from 'Do not show hidden files and folders' to 'Show hidden files and folders.

As for your inability to generate output, have you tried changing the file name for subsequent tests? It may not be allowing you to rewrite to the same file name.


You have to leave the #6.E (or whatever it says) in the name of the file. I made the same mistake myself... :-) It is in the notes, which I never read. Add your file name to the front of that and you are good to go.

Jim

Ehm... it works... thanks. Sorry

[Anders Holck]

Anders, not sure it is the problem, but on the print screen I can see you are NOT viewing the shot on the timeline, but the "copy" shot, and REDCINE only output the shots on the timeline. So the problem might be that you have set a scale on the shot that will be output, but not on the one you are viewing.

hope it is clear,
antoine.

Thanks for the tip. But unfortunately both shots are scaled 50%, only the grade differs, and the same result with other (non versionized clips)

[David Battistella]

so i miss in the new version also a xml input or a bridge to final cut... like color it has... would be very nice don't typing in all the in and outputs....
regards
rainer


Nobody seems to want to comment on this...the only answer seem to be "go buy scratch" but what is being done to make it a bit simpler to plug into existing 2K work flows?


David

[Rob Lohman]

We've indicated REDCINE will have pull-list support (not a full conform), where it exports the frames you need. However, this is the first beta release and it doesn't contain this feature yet.

This is not new information, nor is it new information that this is like a one-light tool to get the image looking right, it's not a full DI suite.

[David Newman]

Quicktime 4096x2048 exports to 16-bit QT codecs still fails, when 4095x2048 works fine. I've tried CineForm and Sheer QT encodes. Log file attached.

[Cüneyt Kaya]

A New feature is per shot input sharpening:
http://www.andersholck.com/rc1.jpg
Doesn't seem to make any difference currently...

1.rob you said that this feature is something different, but cant find your post.

2.will in redcine be a false color option to check the highlights, so people can choose between the histogram and false color ?

3. Noise Reduction NR (i suppose it is noise reduction) Button is gone in 1.01
(was located under SHOT settings in 1.0, exatly the place where the new feature is now), is it moved or erased ?

thanks

[David Battistella]

We've indicated REDCINE will have pull-list support (not a full conform), where it exports the frames you need. However, this is the first beta release and it doesn't contain this feature yet.

This is not new information, nor is it new information that this is like a one-light tool to get the image looking right, it's not a full DI suite.

Rob,

Thank you!

I am a bit behind on this. I had not seen this anywhere but I am glad you confirmed this.

I do not see REDCINE as a substitute for a DI. I have always seen it as a one light suite. I used the word CONFORM in other posts and that offended some people. I should have used EXTRACT. As in EXTRACT the needed frames for the CONFORM and finish.

Sorry if this led anyone to think that I was looking to REDCINE to be a finishing tool, without secondaries, etc it was obvious to me that it was never intended to be that.

Things sure can fly crooked in these threads sometimes. :)

Thanks,
David

[Rob Lohman]

1.rob you said that this feature is something different, but cant find your post.

that was a mistake, hence I removed it after 10 seconds (so you were quick)


3. Noise Reduction NR (i suppose it is noise reduction) Button is gone in 1.01
(was located under SHOT settings in 1.0, exatly the place where the new feature is now), is it moved or erased ?

As far as I know NR has never been in this application. I'll see if I can find out what you're talking about :)

[Cüneyt Kaya]

button was called NR you could choose Low Medium high,.....see picture :right to "length"

but if it is not used anymore why should i make me trouble with this

it was not noise reduction....so what the hell was it, a mystery for all time :)

or you tell me what is was.

false color would be really cool...but i think first goal is getting redcine bulletproof before making presents.

[Rob Lohman]

No worries David, I should've written it a bit more nicer as well :)

[Lucas Wilson]

Quicktime 4096x2048 exports to 16-bit QT codecs still fails, when 4095x2048 works fine. I've tried CineForm and Sheer QT encodes. Log file attached.

David,

Look at these lines in your logfile towards the top:

: NVidia Api : NVidia Complete Version 1.00
: Driver : 84.29 (DM84_22-5253)

The 84.29 driver was released in April of 2006. Update it and try again.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

[David Newman]

David,

Look at these lines in your logfile towards the top:

: NVidia Api : NVidia Complete Version 1.00
: Driver : 84.29 (DM84_22-5253)

The 84.29 driver was released in April of 2006. Update it and try again.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA


I updated to:
NVidia Api : NVidia Complete Version 1.10
Driver : 162.65 (R162_10-8642)

And the 16-bit Quicktime failure still occurs. Please see the new log file.

[Jeff Brue]

took a look at the log and it looks like your framebuffer is only 8 bit. The 16 bit quicktime codec probably can't take that.

[Poi Boy]

Really looking forward to a working version of Redcine ....any update coming soon ?
Aloha
-A

[Greg M]

Really looking forward to a working version of Redcine ....any update coming soon ?
Aloha
-A

"working" version? it works now.

[Poi Boy]

I'm surprised to hear you say that; are you using it all the time ? paying customers on a deadline ?
Aloha
-A

[David Battistella]

It still does not work at all (grey frames on every clip) with Leopard on a 2.2 gig Intel core duo Macbook.

Has not worked on this machine yet.

I am not sure many people would say it is ready for Primetime.

David

[Poi Boy]

Thanks David, for a minute there I thought I had missed something.
Aloha
-A

[David Battistella]

I hope the leopard version comes soon as camera owners in '08 will be buying newer faster macs on leopard.

I know they developed for Tiger but it only make sense to wait to get a new MAC when the camera arrives and for most people that will mean leopard NOT tiger.

David

[Poi Boy]

I hope the leopard version comes soon as camera owners in '08 will be buying newer faster macs on leopard.

I know they developed for Tiger but it only make sense to wait to get a new MAC when the camera arrives and for most people that will mean leopard NOT tiger.

David

I think there is more to fix than just an OS change. I'm know it is going to be an incredible app but right now, not ready; I'm putting it on my Christmas wish list.
Aloha
-A

[David Battistella]

The best news is:
there is still

RED ALERT

Which in itself is a little killer app.

David

[Poi Boy]

Red Alert is indeed killer, very stable.
Aloha
-A

[Gavin Greenwalt]

And mac only.

[SIRAJ KUMKHE]

hi excuse me cause i am new here ,,where can i download those upgrades.
i have to do some training while awainting for my Boss Cameras arrive.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

http://www.red.com/support/release_history/6

[Lucas Wilson]

I think there is more to fix than just an OS change. I'm know it is going to be an incredible app but right now, not ready; I'm putting it on my Christmas wish list.
Aloha
-A

Hello...

I'd venture to say this may be your system.

REDCINE is working without crashing or instability on quite a few systems - including a WinXP and OSX box that I have. I've been in touch with an awful lot of people for whom REDCINE is working pretty flawlessly.

When REDCINE works, it works well and correctly. When it doesn't, then it doesn't. And pretty much 100% of the time, that is directly system related.

You can work on figuring out what's incompatible between REDCINE and your system, but blaming the app is the wrong way to go here. Because if it doesn't work now, it probably will never work on the system you are using. And your problem will not get solved...

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

[Greg M]

I'm surprised to hear you say that; are you using it all the time ? paying customers on a deadline ?
Aloha
-A

We have no issues, other than;
no pull list
slow renders

otherwise we use it every day.

[Poi Boy]

Thanks for the tip Lucas, no need to get snippy. The app worked once for me with beautiful results but I gave up after several failed attempts. I posted a couple of logs but got no response so I figured bugs where being worked on and in the meantime switched to red alert.
The system I was using was a macbook pro 2.33 Intel dual core with 3 gigs of ram and an external g raid. I tried both tiger and leopard. I'm trying to wait till January before I buy a new box but perhaps I need to reconsider. Any suggestion ?
Aloha
-A

[Rob Lohman]

David: it's currently not supported under Leopard but it runs fine on a couple of Leopard systems here and I've heard of customers using it on Leopard without any problems too.

Do you have a new macbook with the Intel graphics card in it? I don't think that will work with REDCINE.

[Greg M]

I have the latest MBPro w/ Leopard and all is fine here.

[Poi Boy]

What the f*#@ am I doing wrong then ? I guess I better give it another go then.
-A

[David Battistella]

David: it's currently not supported under Leopard but it runs fine on a couple of Leopard systems here and I've heard of customers using it on Leopard without any problems too.

Do you have a new macbook with the Intel graphics card in it? I don't think that will work with REDCINE.

Bingo Rob,

It's the intel.
Thanks.
Good to know.

David

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'm running REDCINE - both versions on a Macbook Pro, 2.33GHz C2D, ATI X1600 video and Leopard 10.5.1.

Both work just fine, other than known bugs. I actually have a bit better luck with the REDCINE 60. What I have found is that certain applications open while REDCINE runs will cause it to behave funny. Close all applications so only Finder is running and then load REDCINE and you should be fine.

Specifically, I have found that:

Having Mail running occasionally messes with playback - why?

Having Safari open will cause all my shot thumbnails to appear as grey boxes - huh?

Having Shake or Photoshop open can have the same effect as Safari, but will also mess with output, sometimes giving me blank image files or other screwy things.

I much prefer REDCINE over RED ALERT. But maybe that's just me. I'm hoping we get a REDCINE update soon.

[Poi Boy]

I'm running REDCINE - both versions on a Macbook Pro, 2.33GHz C2D, ATI X1600 video and Leopard 10.5.1.

Both work just fine, other than known bugs. I actually have a bit better luck with the REDCINE 60. What I have found is that certain applications open while REDCINE runs will cause it to behave funny. Close all applications so only Finder is running and then load REDCINE and you should be fine.

Specifically, I have found that:

Having Mail running occasionally messes with playback - why?

Having Safari open will cause all my shot thumbnails to appear as grey boxes - huh?

Having Shake or Photoshop open can have the same effect as Safari, but will also mess with output, sometimes giving me blank image files or other screwy things.

I much prefer REDCINE over RED ALERT. But maybe that's just me. I'm hoping we get a REDCINE update soon.

I'm running the same setup and have no apps running in the background. The problem I keep having is something will render about half way through and then freeze on a frame for the duration of the clip. I would love this app if only I could get it to work !!!!! update please or help if you know what the issue is..Rob ?
-A

[Steve Sherrick]

What is the story with the new Macbook Pros? I have a 2.4 with NVIDIA 8600 card and hi res screen with 4gb RAM. Greg, is that the same setup you are running? Renders are very slow.

Steve

[Greg M]

Same setup...yes, slow

[Steve Sherrick]

Should we contact NVIDIA about their Mac drivers? Seems I've got a problem in FCP where the picture will tear apart and it's a documented issue between FCP and the card/driver. Others have experienced the same thing. Hate to think I have a new, yet unreliable machine when it comes to doing what I got it for which is FCP editing and Redcine. Thoughts?

Steve

[Lucas Wilson]

Should we contact NVIDIA about their Mac drivers?

Steve,

You can try that... but...

Apple writes all their own drivers. NVidia provides a low-level API, and Apple writes the drivers and bundles it into the core. So if you want to contact somebody, you need to contact Apple.

Bottom line - ATI for Apple, NVidia for Windows.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

[Lucas Wilson]

I'm running the same setup and have no apps running in the background. The problem I keep having is something will render about half way through and then freeze on a frame for the duration of the clip. I would love this app if only I could get it to work !!!!! update please or help if you know what the issue is..Rob ?
-A

First of all, I feel really silly calling you "Poi." What's your name? : )

Please outline, step by step, what you are doing to render clips.

Start with a Library of just one clip. Pretend like you are talking to somebody who knows absolutely nothing about RED or REDCINE and explain step by step how you are rendering a clip.

This could be hardware, it could be software, or it could be a tiny switch you aren't flipping when you're rendering.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

currently drinking: Port Ellen. A closed distillery... every drink is a piece of history. And damn, it's good stuff.

currently playing: Joy Division - Substance

(not sure how wise it is to mix dead whiskey and Joy Division, but there you have it.)

[Steve Sherrick]

Apple knows about the issues, that's what sucks. Perhaps I will contact some upper level engineers there and see if there is a way to get this worked out for a future OS update. Greg, have you seen the tearing with FCP and Leopard? Maybe they already fixed that issue. I haven't upgraded yet.

Is there a way to switch the graphics card out with the Macbook Pros? I assume there isn't

Steve

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Perhaps I will contact some upper level engineers there and see if there is a way to get this worked out for a future OS update.

Steve

While you've got them on the line tell them to fix the *(&#@$)!! quicktime gamma issues. It's been 5+ years! I've been able to purge every other apple product from my life except for quicktime and unfortunately I have to keep using it so they might as well fix it.

[ChristopherKenworthy]

Is this macbook pro problem only with Redcine? I don't plan to do any Redcine work on the macbook, just a bit of offloading and watching the QT proxies in QT player and FCP. Do the H QT proxies work OK on a macbook pro?

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

First of all, I feel really silly calling you "Poi." What's your name? : )

Please outline, step by step, what you are doing to render clips.

Start with a Library of just one clip. Pretend like you are talking to somebody who knows absolutely nothing about RED or REDCINE and explain step by step how you are rendering a clip.

This could be hardware, it could be software, or it could be a tiny switch you aren't flipping when you're rendering.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

currently drinking: Port Ellen. A closed distillery... every drink is a piece of history. And damn, it's good stuff.

currently playing: Joy Division - Substance

(not sure how wise it is to mix dead whiskey and Joy Division, but there you have it.)

Could be dangerous Lucas.. Have you seen Control yet? It's a beautifully filmed movie huh..

[Nils Ruinet]

Steve,

You can try that... but...

Apple writes all their own drivers. NVidia provides a low-level API, and Apple writes the drivers and bundles it into the core. So if you want to contact somebody, you need to contact Apple.

Bottom line - ATI for Apple, NVidia for Windows.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

Wait, so you're saying "don't buy a new macbook pro if you intend to use it with redcine", as they're Nvidia based ?

But using bootcamp to install Windows XP on one of these would make it work, wouldn't it ?

[Steve Sherrick]

Wait, so you're saying "don't buy a new macbook pro if you intend to use it with redcine", as they're Nvidia based ?

But using bootcamp to install Windows XP on one of these would make it work, wouldn't it ?

Hmm...interesting thought. Lucas would that actually solve anything or is it still an issue with the actual hardware at that point?

Steve

[Gavin Greenwalt]

I used a macbook at LART with XP. It was a HUGE problem. I couldn't calibrate the monitor to anything useable. Completely worthless. I was losing about 15% of my blacks/grays and the gamma was WAY off but couldn't be adjusted below 1.

[Steve Sherrick]

All very troubling at this point. Wonder what new Macbook Pros will be using for graphics card in the next generation of models. I needed to pick up the one currently out because of other projects. Thought it would not be an issue with Redcine or FCP. Back to the drawing board.

Steve

[Jeff Kilgroe]

The current Macbook Pro system should work OK with REDCINE, they will just be slow. What about buying a previous model MBP with the ATI X1600 GPU? Might save you some money and will work a bit better. Maybe, I don't know how bad the nVidia performance is in comparison... The ATI X1600 is no speed demon.

[Jeremy Newmark]

Is this macbook pro problem only with Redcine?

No it's not. We've been seeing issues with tearing in FCP for months now on our Macbook Pro.

[Rob Lohman]

The problem with REDCINE is that it won't work at all on the Intel graphics card models. For Nvidia it will be very very slow in 4K on the Nvidia cards thanks to the drivers.

RED ALERT & the QuickTime codec do not use the graphics card (other than to draw the image) so are fine. But if there'a tearing in FCP as Jeremy above talks about then I guess we might have that too, but I haven't seen it myself.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Rob is a Windows Quicktime Codec still in the works?

[Nils Ruinet]

Rob is a Windows Quicktime Codec still in the works?

I was just reading the Red manual (build 11), and page 46 it says :
"The REDCODE RAW QuickTime component permits REDCODE RAW footage to be displayed
on Macintosh OSX or Windows XP personal computers with QuickTime Player V7.0 or higher."

Sounds like it's still in the works... (I hope so)
Or is it a typo ?

[Kevin Halverson]

Fingers crossed here too.

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

Apple knows about the issues, that's what sucks. Perhaps I will contact some upper level engineers there and see if there is a way to get this worked out for a future OS update. Greg, have you seen the tearing with FCP and Leopard? Maybe they already fixed that issue. I haven't upgraded yet.

Is there a way to switch the graphics card out with the Macbook Pros? I assume there isn't

Steve

this is unbelievable! I don't know what else to say.. who can we strangle? :wacko:

[ChristopherKenworthy]

The problem with REDCINE is that it won't work at all on the Intel graphics card models. For Nvidia it will be very very slow in 4K on the Nvidia cards thanks to the drivers.

RED ALERT & the QuickTime codec do not use the graphics card (other than to draw the image) so are fine. But if there'a tearing in FCP as Jeremy above talks about then I guess we might have that too, but I haven't seen it myself.

Good info, Rob, thanks. Is there any chance you can use your contact with Apple to suggest they put ATI cards in the new Macbook Pros coming in early 2008? You've clearly been working closely with Apple on all this, and if they're going to listen to anybody...

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

they need to write drivers that work..
.. putting the "pro" back into Macbook Pro :blink:

[John Tissavary]

they need to write drivers that work..
.. putting the "pro" back into Macbook Pro :blink:

Agreed!

The problem isn't the hardware, it's the fact that Apple has yet to develop a fully functional driver for nvidia cards.

I vastly prefer Nvidia to ATI in both Windows & Linux.

The more customers complain about Apple's insufficient driver development, the sooner we may see results.


cheers,

jt

[Gavin Greenwalt]

The more customers complain about Apple's insufficient driver development, the sooner we may see results.
jt

I've been whining about that for the last... 10 years. The only thing that's come of it is me buying one PC after another instead.

[Curran Giddens]

someone should organize a "Campaign to Complain"