Post-LART Details

[Ken Corben]

Oh ok. Thanks David, I guess that explains the lack of info.
I can't quite understand the need for an NDA. Tends to imply there is info that someone wants kept secret and I'd always assumed LART was to be a relatively open event.

Paul

It's late and we are all very tired after two stupendous days of multiple RED cameras testing various 4K and 2K elements. Elements the LART team identified as missing in the "user data" of RED cameras since it's release. LART exceeded my expectations. The level of talent, equipment and the professional effort contributed were simply amazing. To quote one individual. "There were no milk girls here at LART.":)

NDA

It is quite simple - RED provided LART with as yet unreleased RED equipment and support with a request that we not release the info or test results until after RED's official announcements. Good business all around. We had some of the best in the business testing for feedback to RED and we will and can release the info after the public announcement is released by RED. That is the NDA story plain and simple. No, conspiracy theories here...

Canon Mount/DSLR Glass

The Canon mount situation was simple - Erik fell very ill at the 12th hour. Let's all wish him a speedy recovery. GibCor will get the Canon glass tests for redusers as soon as Erik is recovered thanks to Ketch Rossi and other LART team members that have volunteered for a pick up day on this - minor delay, not a major loss for the LART mission/goals. It's coming sooner than later so standby on this follow up.

Daily Posts

Thank you for the support and enthusiasm for LART. As you all know, we pulled this off with no funding and completely based on volunteer efforts. The LART test teams were all working feverishly through out the two days. There simply was not enough time to post anything. That said, look for a very cool, informative and useful stream of data on reduser over the coming weeks. I say weeks since there is some very fun stuff that will require post production time before the VUZE downloads will be online.

LART location and talent

Where to begin? Thanks to Dave Parker, founder of Pelican products, for allowing us to use "Dave's Garage" to host LART. His facility and collection of classic cars took LART to an amazing level. Billy Summers and crew for showing up Friday to pre-light and set up the LART testing stations. The talent and models that volunteered their time to LART were first class. The girls were stunning. The make up and wardrobe departments were stellar. One of Hollywood's best stunt coordinators was there both days. A group of SEAL team stunt men and martial arts specialists volunteered their time and expertise - and the list goes on.

Special thanks to LART coproducer Kyle Baker for wrangling everything from talent to location - Blair and Brook for their amazing efforts and talents as DP's/operators and as LART Directors - the VFX team and way more other volunteers than I am going to list now.

LART Usefull?

Gibby is in transit but by late Monday will post on reduser regarding LART data flow, information release and more. Much much more will follow. Imagine a struck set with David Mullen, Matt Uhry, Charles Pappert and other DP's along with Ted Schilowitz, a RED camera and a series of as yet untested lenses. Hypothetically imagine the RED 50-150 on this set? I'll say no more on that concept. This was only one of many LART testing set ups.

Imagine - NIGHT EXT - fire dancers with multiple red cameras shooting a variety of lenses at several different camera settings from 4K 24fps to 72fps.

Imagine a Hollywood style fight scene with classic cars, girls and SEALs shot with 3 RED cameras simultaneously. Hand held RED 18-50, Actioncam, RED 300 and RED 50-150 lenses.

I am going to stop there for now.

Gibby will launch a new thread soon that will replace this one to share the LART RESULTS. We will endeavor to provide everything from .r3d 4K downloads of blue screen tests thru to the highest rez possible of test footage with our VUZE partners on the GibCor channel for redusers.

I'd also like to acknowledge Lucas Wilson and the SCRATCH system from ASSIMILATE. Luki was there both days and blew everyone away with the ASSIMILATE solutions and his talent.

Was there a benefit from LART?

The key difference here is that actual footage and files will be available to redusers unlike the pictures and posts from other client driven RED shoots to date where these items were not available.

Long live the revolution,

Sharky

[IAN SUN]

Very exciting stuff Sharky, a big shout out to you Gibby and the entire LART team. Cannot wait to see all that data streaming in.

[John Allardice]

Some very interesting stuff there...I did notice this quote in the middle



........ with multiple red cameras shooting a variety of lenses at several different camera settings from 4K 24fps to 72fps.


I might be reading too much into that sentence , but....

[Ken Corben]

Some very interesting stuff there...I did notice this quote in the middle



I might be reading too much into that sentence , but....

Ya, like I said - way tired. Read 4K 24fps to 2K 72fps. DP'd by Billy Summers and going to be a big hit when available on VUZE.

Sharky out...

[Tim Lüdin]

So Brian Goff was flying the actioncam rig.:weight_lift: He just e-mailed me that he had a blast and the cam is great.
Brian is crazy, he just flew over from Switzerland to attend the testing with his actioncam rig. That's real RED love.

Looking forward to your test results.
Cheers
Tim

[PaulClements]

NDA

It is quite simple - RED provided LART with as yet unreleased RED equipment and support with a request that we not release the info or test results until after RED's official announcements. Good business all around. We had some of the best in the business testing for feedback to RED and we will and can release the info after the public announcement is released by RED. That is the NDA story plain and simple. No, conspiracy theories here...
Thanks for the info Ken, I hope I wasn't sounding critical - it was 4 in the morning when I wrote it and wasn't exactly thinking at that point! Of course if someone has lent LART something that they're not 100% about then the NDA should be in place to cover it. It's just that in my experience NDA's can often slow the delivery of any information and make it harder to discuss certain issues with those involved in an open forum such as this, that was simply my concern. I'm sure Gibby will write up something very thorough and if the other members at LART are able to, will add some valuable insight.

Look forward to reading the results, from the sounds of it, it should be interesting.

Paul

[Jim Arthurs]

Was there a benefit from LART?

The key difference here is that actual footage and files will be available to redusers unlike the pictures and posts from other client driven RED shoots to date where these items were not available.

Thanks for the update, I'm glad to hear that the Canon Birger will be covered.

It sounds like there will, at least, be a greater variety of footage for RED to show in their booth for trade shows and more .R3D footage and clips in the community is wonderful.

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

I hope I'm not breaking NDA by saying this, but Lucas was a rockstar!

Did he smash the place up, get horribly loaded on dangerous chemicals and toss all available TV's out the window..?:whistling:

[Jaime Vallés]

Um, just curious... those photos of the babes... um... what was I going to ask?

[Michael Schrengohst]

Um, just curious... those photos of the babes... um... what was I going to ask?

They were not real...Huuuhh...

[mikeburton]

I just want to publicly say thank you to Steve and Ken along with all the other LART members for a fantastic weekend! GibCor put on a fantastic show and brought the idea of this test to life in a big way. Look for the results in the coming weeks on www.vuze.com.
You guys are in for a treat!

[Ken Corben]

Gibby is swamped and working on processing all the LART info, images etc. Thought I'd throw this one out for the RED addicts amongst us :-)

DO NOT ANALYZE RESOLUTION - this is just a photoshop quicky for your enjoyment. The footage is shot in various frame rates with various lenses and cameras. This shot is credited to Mark Mannschreck.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Hey Sharky,
pleasure meeting you at LART, what a blast that was.

Looking forward for the Birger mount to do LART II and get to have some more fun with you guys (and the girls too)

Also trying to organize and process all the raw photo images taken at LART, with the same Canon lenses that we will use to test on the BIRGER mount soon.

I will give a DVD to Gibby and together we will see where and how to post the many many great photos of LART, and again thanks so much to all of you there and to Dave for having all of us at Dave' Garage, what an incredible place and what a car collection that is.


Speaking of girls here are two of the nody girls of LART.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Uh, oh... Ketch spilled a few beans (or let a few cats out of the bag?). :biggrin:

[Shawn Nelson]

Simple question ya'll, did Jim show up? Surely his presense, or lack thereof, isn't an NDA issue.

I'm pretty stoked to see everything you guys were up to!

[KETCH ROSSi]

Uh, oh... Ketch spilled a few beans (or let a few cats out of the bag?). :biggrin:

Hoops!

[Steve Gibby]

Whew!!!!!!!!!!!

To me, LART was amazing.....

Sorry for the delay in posting. Me and Ken are executive producers for multiple feature and television productions that are currently in production, so I think we're now getting about as much sleep as RED Team members get!

Back to LART:

Sharky really put up a nice beginning summary of the what, where, how, and who of LART. Let me take that a few steps further:

Picture about 30 widely and highly experienced people with some serious skill sets turned loose in a warehouse full of RED cameras, lenses, stabilization units, jibs, editing systems, models, grip, lights, martial artists, food, (uh-did I say models?), world class vintage cars, a big lot to work on, and plenty of time to play with the toys!

Yup, we shot various charts and tested out some lenses. Beyond that though, we then basically had a two day think tank brainstorming scenes to shoot, setting them up, and shooting them - indoors and out, natural light and artificial light, single RED, and multiple REDs. Everyone checked their egos at the door and simply threw their time, talents, and skill sets into the mix.

The visual results? We shot and edited some very cool scenes - quickly graded and edited right on the spot by Lucas on a SCRATCH system, with Mike (VUZE) also cutting some cool scenes in FCP. I can't say I'm surprised by the quality of the footage and edited sequences - I knew we had a super-talented team - but to me, they even surpassed my expectations.

We have a vast amount of high-quality footage to sift through. Yes, everyone who attended signed an NDA, for the purposes that Sharky mentioned. RED let our team play with some new toys, Element shared some of their accessory concept mockups with us, and on and on.

LART was never positioned as a "shoot out" or deep-drilling pragmatic test session, but rather the chance for a bunch of professionals interested in learning more from each other to essentially participate in a hands on workshop and team up to shoot some top-quality scenes - and that's exactly what we did and how the results were.

I want to personally thank everyone who contributed their talents, experience, equipment, and time to the LART sessions - deeply, deeply appreciated.

In the days and weeks ahead we'll post more and more footage, stills, and info from the LART sessions. We'll have a GibCor channel on VUZE, with a special area for H264 files available for viewing. A big thanks to Lucas Wilson of Assimilate for processing the LART footage in SCRATCH, and cutting some cool sequences together.

A huge thanks to Dave Parker of Pelican for opening up his amazing facility and car collection for LART use.

More pics, frames, comments, H264, TIFFs, etc coming in the near future. Please be patient - the team all works busy production schedules in the movie and television industries - we'll hook you up with the goods as fast as we can. LART team members: please give me and Ken a chance to roll out some of the edited scenes we shot and footage samples, before you jump in heavily with commentary on LART.

In closing this post, I also want to let RED User members know that one of the LART team who wanted so much to be there had to cancel just a few days before LART when his doctor diagnosed a serious condition - Andrew Benz. We missed you Andrew....get well.

[Clark Dunbar]

Steve, Ken,

heya - LART sounds like everything you'd planned for and more - Congrats.

Look forward to seeing and reading the results.

[Matt Garrett]

That picture of you is priceless ketch!

[Ken Corben]

Whew!!!!!!!!!!!

To me, LART was amazing.....

Coming from Gibby, this says it all.


Simple question ya'll, did Jim show up? Surely his presense, or lack thereof, isn't an NDA issue.

Jim did not make LART - to busy building cameras I'm sure. We were pleased to have Ted there Saturday adding his skills to the mix.


Speaking of girls here are two of the nody girls of LART.

Ketch - I call him the Italian Stallion now. Fantastic photographer to boot. FYI - he means "naughty."

La verdad, no? But let's not digress.

[Steve Gibby]

Simple question ya'll, did Jim show up? Surely his presense, or lack thereof, isn't an NDA issue.

I'm pretty stoked to see everything you guys were up to!

Nope...Jim couldn't stop by because of other matters he was attending to, but Ted Schilowitz hung out with us for several hours on Saturday. I think he originally intended to be there for a few hours, but just really enjoyed the fun stuff we were doing, and decided to hang out all day.

Jarred wanted to stop by on Sunday, but I'm sure he was slammed with work.

LART was a completely independent event, but if they could, we naturally welcomed any RED Team members who could stop by.

[Casey Green]

That was a great summary, Gibby.

I wanted to just say to everyone at LART that it was so great meeting and working with all of you.

Thanks to Gibby, Sharky and everyone who donated their time, equipment, talent, and dedication.

Also a huge thanks to David Parker and the folk's at Dave's Garage for the use of their location, cars, and personnel.

It was great working along side all of you - can't wait to see the finished results...

and Ketch, I'm very much looking forward to some copies of some certain photos. ;)

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Actually you can talk about the Element stuff. Finner or Billy (can't remember which) asked if we needed to keep it quiet and the response was "No please tell other people about it."

(Pending confirmation from Finner or Billy Summers of that being an accurate reproduction of the conversation.)

[IAN SUN]

Gibby is swamped and working on processing all the LART info, images etc. Thought I'd throw this one out for the RED addicts amongst us :-)

DO NOT ANALYZE RESOLUTION - this is just a photoshop quicky for your enjoyment. The footage is shot in various frame rates with various lenses and cameras. This shot is credited to Mark Mannschreck.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1992&d=1196743836

The footage stands up so well to grading, I love both the highlights and blacks in this grab.

[Sanjin Jukic]

I see it was a great RED party and a lot of fun in [L.{A.](R.T.)}.

We all desperately waiting for more reports, some footage and other concrete test results.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I get back in town this afternoon and will start going through what I have. Lots of things were learned, many questions answered. But I now have many new questions that will require more exploration of the footage and hopefully some feedback from RED.

Yo! Gavin, I'm sorry I didn't say goodbye.

Tonaci, I had tech difficulties with the HDD. It will go out via fedex when I get back.

I'm at LAX waiting for my flight right now...

Oh, and to all you No-Fun Nancy's that didn't want to go with Finner and I to Universal Studios - :bleh:

[KETCH ROSSi]

Yes Matt, Priceless it was and I'm not talking about the photo here.

Sharky, you are the Man, thanks for coming to my resque, this Italian can spell warth of S..., but the photos did made esier to understand, I hope, Muchas Gracias.

And Sharky just so you know, I was only loved by the toooo many ladies at LART only because of my BIG camera, the true lady killer was Gibby, but sorry Gibby I told them all you are Taken and taken by a very SASSY one, so no chance there for them (Gibby, "THE STUD" below).

Casey if you are talking about getting some of the photos of the "HALF NAKED GIRLS" sorry but I delete them all, well not all, I could not find it in my heart to delete some of them (just kidding).

LART was an incredible event in which I was very pleased to have partecipated, I would have loved to make it to Jim's house on Sunday after the last shoot with Manny and the Fire girls, but as I was following Kyle's BMW (it was not the driver) they lost me as they were driving with no consideration of me following with my suv full of gear, long story short after half an hour following a bmw of the same color they stopped and come to my window to tell me why the F.... I was following them, HOOOPS it wasn't Kyle's bmw.

Speaking of Manny and I shooting the fire girls (well Manny) I give him two of my CF cards to record the images and totally did not see that I give him 16GB of LART photos which all went POOOFFF!

Fortunately as Brook said I shot more photos in one day then He did in his entire life, so I have more left, just not as many and as glamorous as the ones lost, "SORRY" ) I have the same excuse, my brain was electricuted several times)

Working on the ones that where saved, will post all with Gibby and Ken soon, for now this are a few compressed teasers.


From left: the impostor Italian Stallion (me with the sensual flat chested and very ugly) Erin Sanders, the true Stallion Steve Gibby and the other bigggg lady's killer, Senor Ken Corben.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[Álex Montoya]

OMG. was that really necessary?

[Stephen Williams]

Apart from the Birger Mount (yes the noshow was a major bummer) I'd love to hear how the ActionCam performed. It seems like one of the more interesting stabilizers to come around lately.

Hi,

I worked with Brian and his actioncam 10 days ago. Very impressed with the days work.

Stephen

[Casey Green]

Casey if you are talking about getting some of the photos of the "HALF NAKED GIRLS" sorry but I delete them all, well not all, I could not find it in my heart to delete some of them (just kidding).


heheh. I must have missed those... :innocent:

Sorry to hear about the formatted cards, though... but I'm sure you got tons of other great photos.

If I'm not mistaken, the "priceless" pic (you with the girls and car) shown above was one I shot? :)

looking forward to seeing all of the rest of your photos.

Oh, also, sorry you missed the get together afterwards. (Following the wrong BMW). :( You were missed.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Yes Casey,

people say I look great and could notice at all that something is wrong with me, but when S... like this happens, then they say... Ya half his brain it is gone.

And yes that is the one you tocked with my camera.

I did shoot 4 8GB cards so two of them, about 15.2GB are in my laptop now safe and sound ready to get worked on for final posting.

Once done I will get every one there photos with pleasure.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Oh that reminds me. Brian; Jeff and I apologize for trying to drive you out into the country and leaving you for dead. ;)

[KETCH ROSSi]

Gavin I can't believe you were in the car too, and did nothing to slow down the Seal (just kidding we all know none of us could have, unless using a gun, from far far away.

Thanks for caring.

But the true responsible is Him below.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Speaking of Manny and I shooting the fire girls (well Manny) I give him two of my CF cards to record the images and totally did not see that I give him 16GB of LART photos which all went POOOFFF!

NOOOOOOOOO!!!! NO, NO, NO! Say it didn't happen, Ketch. :sick:

I was so looking forward to seeing all of those. Oh well, 16GB of photos is still a lot. I only managed to take about 1GB worth myself, I think I might have a good one or two in there. I'll get to them tonight if I can.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Yeah, I did, and it happened the photos are gone, gone gone.

But I got some, just that you are not in any of them. (sorry).

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Mark Mannschreck]

Speaking of Manny and I shooting the fire girls (well Manny) I give him two of my CF cards to record the images and totally did not see that I give him 16GB of LART photos which all went POOOFFF!
www.KETCHFRAME.com

DUDE

Are you serious???

That totally sucks... AND you got lost in Torrance??? Luckily you are buff.

[chuck colburn]

Ah comon, Torrance ain't so bad... Could have wandered in to Englewatts.

[KETCH ROSSi]

DUDE

Are you serious???

That totally sucks... AND you got lost in Torrance??? Luckily you are buff.

Yes Manny,

I'm and yes it does suck, the more stunts like this one I pull and the more I know I need an assistance before I end up doing some serious damage.


Is not your fault, you just asked for extra CF to record images with your RED, I just forgot that I had not downloaded the photos off of it yet.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Mark Mannschreck]

When I moved to LA in 1992, I made the brilliant decision to drive to Torrance from Hollywood on Western to avoid the freeways. This was a month after the LA riots. I was going to buy something I saw in the recycler. I left around sunset in my white '76 T-top Corvette. This was when I had long blonde girlie hair like Sebastian Bach (I was in a band). I hit South Central about a half hour later....
Ah comon, Torrance ain't so bad... Could have wandered in to Englewatts.

[chuck colburn]

Manny,

Did that have anything to do with your choice of avatar?

[Bob England]

Ah comon, Torrance ain't so bad... Could have wandered in to Englewatts.

Hey, I grew up there! :unsure:
Used to be a nice place. Now it's way too crowded with yups and their swiss army baby strollers.

Bob England

[Rick Darge]

I thirst for some results

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Yeah, I did, and it happened the photos are gone, gone gone.

Bummer.


But I got some, just that you are not in any of them. (sorry).

You serious? :blink:

Not fair. I took pictures of you. :bleh: Oh well, maybe these will help comfort you in your loss... :)

Pictures from left to right: Ladies Man 1 | Ladies Man 2 | Watching the Master. Hehe.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Very cool Jeff,

e-mail me the full size ones if you can, and also one of you so I can send to my lab, just in case I'm wrong and there is some with you in it.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Will do, Ketch.

I hope I'm not going too far with this one, but it's something you don't see every day. Here's one of the models reviewing her own blue-screen footage on Luki's SCRATCH pre-post station.

[Charles Papert]

Originally Posted by Andrew Young
I'd love to hear how the ActionCam performed. It seems like one of the more interesting stabilizers to come around lately.


Hi,

I worked with Brian and his actioncam 10 days ago. Very impressed with the days work.

I just posted a long review of the rig, but then realized we are still sort of on "lockdown" about the weekend. Gibby, is it OK if I talk purely about the Actioncam...? Those of you who have subscribed to this thread may well have already received a version in your inboxes...!

[Tonaci Tran]

Looking forward to the review!

[Ken Corben]

I hope I'm not going too far with this one, but it's something you don't see every day. Here's one of the models reviewing her own blue-screen footage on Luki's SCRATCH pre-post station.

NDA is specific to RED cameras, data equipment and LART. Anything to promote Assimilate and SCRATCH is cool with GibCor as long as the specific NDA items are not discussed/released regarding RED equipment etc. Nice photo BTW - the caption should read, "SCRATCH - so easy and intuitive even a blonde can do it."




I just posted a long review of the rig, but then realized we are still sort of on "lockdown" about the weekend. Gibby, is it OK if I talk purely about the Actioncam...? Those of you who have subscribed to this thread may well have already received a version in your inboxes...!

Gibby is swamped but catching up. He authorized complete discussion and disclosure of info and photos of the actioncam and Brian's outstanding work. NOT the equipment under NDA of course which I believe did not work on the Actioncam.

Sharky

[Charles Papert]

Thanks Ken. I figured as much but didn't want to step on toesies. Thanks again for a fun day.

So here it is:

Brian's rig was a pleasant surprise for me. I had last seen his gear a few years ago and it was unconventional to say the least (his original arm was a definite diversion from the norm) so I had no immediate expectations of his rig. At first glance I saw solid, thoughtful machining going on and while there are a few issues that I noted even before mounting up, Brian was right there in agreement and indicated that they were going to be taken care of, which is always a good sign.

When it comes down to it, the two most important components of any stabilizer are the gimbal and the arm. The gimbal did show a bit of stiction which we discussed, although for the price point Brian is working at this may be to be expected. The arm is impressive, with performance that is much closer to isoelastic than this design of arm would suggest (it takes less force to push all the way down or hold all the way up than much of the competition, barring the big brand names). It also tracks well and feels solid.

The ability to lift components off the RED and place them on the sled (monitor, battery rack etc) is clever, although eventually one would probably want to supplement some of this in case you end up flying a different camera. Certainly a daylight-viewable monitor with greater viewing angle than the RED screen will be required, it's impossible to boom through the range of the arm without the screen "reversing out" and it gets dusted outdoors for the most part. However, for folks looking to get their REDs up and flying with minimal duplication of parts, this is a smart idea. There are lots of ways to configure the masses, so you can make your rig nice-and-fast for action scenes or

The vest is OK--we talked about beefing up the support in the critical lumbar area, that will probably help a lot.

For those unwilling or unable to plunk down the big bucks for a full-on setup (after trying on the Actioncam and heading back to my own rig across the room, I pondered just how many of the former I could buy for the same price as my own investment; certainly enough to get all of the cameras at LART flying, and then some!), this is definitely a good choice. And the red anodizing is pretty cool too!

[Shawn Nelson]

Thanks Charles!

On the ActionCam, do the cables for the battery and monitor plug into internall wired extensions in the main shaft or do they expect you to buy 3' extensions and do the gangly gaff-tape exercise by taping them down the shaft externally?

[Tonaci Tran]

They are supposed to go into the main shaft. The long red cables were unavailable so Brian had to use the short lcd cable to make it work at LART. I have some pics of the rig. Will post some soon.

[Brook Willard]

Bummer about the pics, Ketch. Next time!

[Shawn Nelson]

tonaci, the cables I buy go into the shaft, or do they have their own cables wired that I plug into at the top then in return plug into the monitor at the bottom?

It seems they'd wire their own cables into the shaft. Heck, even Glidecam and Varizoom now come with wired shafts.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

NDA is specific to RED cameras, data equipment and LART. Anything to promote Assimilate and SCRATCH is cool with GibCor as long as the specific NDA items are not discussed/released regarding RED equipment etc. Nice photo BTW - the caption should read, "SCRATCH - so easy and intuitive even a blonde can do it."

Hehe, yeah, I thought of the blonde joke right as I posted it. Anyway, she was having a blast with it. So.. SCRATCH: So easy, you'll have a blast... Even if you're blonde.

...Too bad she moved her head right as I took the picture though. I think Ted thought it was funny too. Color should look better on this one, stupid photoshop web output was crushing my colors on my previous photos. Grrr.

I just got back in town tonight. Other than looking through my 65~75 photos or so that I took, I've been making backups of what I brought back with me. I'll start working on processing some of that bluescreen and some other things over the next couple days.

[Simon Blackledge]

so thats the Scratch Red system..

[Jeff Kilgroe]

so thats the Scratch Red system..

Yes, unfortunately the blonde is not included. Or at least I don't think so, but you might want to double-check that with Lucas. The SCRATCH pre-post system is that 12" black cube on the far end of the table hooked to that Apple 30".

[Shawn Nelson]

Yes, unfortunately the blonde is not included. Or at least I don't think so, but you might want to double-check that with Lucas.

No wonder it cost so much, must be a long term rental of both... ;-)

[Tonaci Tran]

tonaci, the cables I buy go into the shaft, or do they have their own cables wired that I plug into at the top then in return plug into the monitor at the bottom?

It seems they'd wire their own cables into the shaft. Heck, even Glidecam and Varizoom now come with wired shafts.

"All cables run into the shaft. It's not wired cables in the shaft, thats only with our zero-g model. The only cable we'll be providing is the power-extension cable. The longer RED lcd and raid cables can be ordered from RED. Depending on your configuration, you might not need any longer cables. If you don't have the RED Raid - then no longer Raid cable needed; if you keep the LCD closer to the camera (like I did at LART) - then no longer LCD cable needed" Brian Goff

For anyone interested in buying one, if there is enough interest, I'll set up a demo for the rig in LA.

Again a HUGE shoutout goes out to Steve and Ken for setting up such an incredible RED experience. Brian rocked the actioncam and I can't wait until the footage is released. It was also awesome meeting Charles Papart the steadicam guru who masterfully did some amazing steadicam work for the LART footage you will soon see.

Fyi, the configuration that you see Brian with is the version for RED where the red cradle and rails are utilized. The one I am rigged up with in the pic utilizes the "zero"g" config that comes with an lcd and vmount cradle. IF you have a RED and basic production pack, you won't need the zero g config We didn't have the red cradle and rails available at that moment, so Brian put on his zero components for counterbalance.

I'll post more thoughts on the actioncam later.

http://tonaci.com/act1.JPG
Brian installing the redcradle and rods to the bottom of the actioncam.

http://tonaci.com/act3.JPG
I'm rocking the "Zero-G" configuration. No long lcd cable, so the monitor and battery at the bottom served for counterbalancing purposes only.

http://tonaci.com/act6.JPG
Brian installing baseplate.

http://tonaci.com/act7.JPG
Brian flying the red edition configuration and Mr. Brook Willard striking a pose thats not a pose. =)

[Finner]

Just came to somewhere in mexico. Last thing I remember is partying with 4 lart models and getting into a third bottle of tequila. Now I am lost in mexico with only my underwear, a huge tattoo of a taco on my chest and a burro that was sleeping beside me and that I somehow have signed ownership papers for. I have traded the burro with sanchez the owner of an internet cafe for 10 minutes of internet time. So for the love of all thats holy someone help me.



Gotta go, I hear them playing the macarena in the bar next door and I'm up for a little partying.

[Brook Willard]

http://tonaci.com/act7.JPG

Just look at that concentration! Can't you just feel the genius flowing out of me and my looks-like-it's-a-pose-but-it's-not-a-pose pose?

[Casey Green]

nice pose! :)

I'm sure there will be others of all of us that rival it! Ketch alone...hahaha.

[PFXNBM]

Great having met all of you people!!!

Just like to thank a couple people real quick like. (right.....)

Ken Corbin for asking me to get involved and help "wrangle" and conceptualize stuff in the beginning, What was that, August?

Dayna Nichols for putting me in touch with Joe Raley of DAVES GARAGE.
Joe Raley for letting me know "yeah we've got a few cars..." and inviting us down to see the facility and being keen on the idea and presenting the concept to Mr. Parker.

Jim & Heather Hays for meeting up w/Joe to discuss the concept of L.A.R.T. and establishing the rapport and communicating the goal of what we were looking to do. And for hosting a wrap party at their place.

Glad to have seen it finally (Go Live) and working with & meeting all of you was an absolute blast...

Safe to say, that EVERYONE involved was KNOCKING EM' CLEAN OUT OF THE BALL PARK ALL DAY. ALL NIGHT. ALL WEEKEND.

IMRESSIVE in front of and behind the camera.

I've got more than a few models who've all sent me messages telling me what a Fantastic time they had, even though now they're sick and have lost their voices, etc from braving the elements, with the bravada they had to have to wear Ximena Valero's outfits...

i hope there's no arguing about my choice in Designer for the ladies...
here's Ximena's site www.ximenavalero.info

A Big THANKS to Dave DeMaio of FULL SPEED TV who dropped us off his 5 TON to grip/kit and light L.A.R.T. on my honus. phone calls two days prior is (was) the extent of our relationship. www.fullspeedtv.com He dug what was going on and glad to have been able to helped out.

And again, A Heart felt thanks to Joe Raley and Mr. Parker for opening up the use of the Pelican Rare Car Collection and surrounding parking lots for L.A.R.T.

it was great to have met all of you! hope we meet up again sooner rather than later.

Blair, Brooke, Ketch, Bram's TEAM, Lacey Raley, Jaime, Brian/Action-Cam, the Glam squad, DAVES GARAGE Dean Gerken, Matt Lewis "your commentary on some of the footage was priceless"... EVERYONE ELSE, THANK YOU!!...

Lucas, you rock. the redneck music while it all went down was a nice touch. SCRATCH mad man and a DJ. who knew?

Ken, Gibby, Pam, Wendy, good seeing you all again.. Safe to say there was more talented individuals there than is easy to comprehend thanks to you guys.

Ketch, sorry we lost ya on the way to the wrap party! We were lost. got phone directions and Bram put the hammer down, grabbing intersections like only he could.:poster_oops: the directions were mad easy, and on a paper plate on the bar. i didn't write them down either, thought someone else in the car had em already...

How'd you end up getting your car started after your battery died??? That must have been frustrating.


Ximena, thanks for bringing your understated "Make Love & Red Carpet Collections by" ; ) I'm glad we finally had an opportunity to do something creative together!! and Lacey Raley, THANK YOU for taking the lead with Make Up. Never hurts to bump into a MAC artist.. The girls gave me hell the morning of Day 2. "WHERE'S LACEY, KYLE??!?!?!?" :angry02: :ranting2: :ranting2: Is LACEY GOING TO BE COMING BY? Have you heard from Lacey yet??? All the girls love ya, no question about that.

JaNIca, Erin, Evlin, Chelsea, Melissa, Chloe, Cindy, DAYNA, Olga, Aurdone, Amy, Kamala, Hannah, Lester, Katy, Fred, THANKS for the follow through and sticking with the reschedule(s).

and suffice to say there would have been no ACTION without Bramstedt & crew, Looking forward to seeing what everyone was able to do. Should be good. ; )

Best,

Kyle
Paradise FX

[Brian D. Goff]

tonaci, the cables I buy go into the shaft, or do they have their own cables wired that I plug into at the top then in return plug into the monitor at the bottom?

It seems they'd wire their own cables into the shaft. Heck, even Glidecam and Varizoom now come with wired shafts.

Hi Shawn

All cables run into the shaft. It's not wired cables in the shaft, thats only with our zero-g model. The only cable we'll be providing is the power-extension cable. The longer RED lcd and raid cables can be ordered from RED. Depending on your configuration, you might not need any longer cables. If you don't have the RED Raid - then no longer Raid cable needed; if you keep the LCD closer to the camera (like I did at LART) - then no longer LCD cable needed.

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Hy great to hear you did a seriously LART event with some funny girls, partys and lost fotos ;-)

[Jaime Vallés]

Just came to somewhere in mexico. Last thing I remember is partying with 4 lart models and getting into a third bottle of tequila. Now I am lost in mexico with only my underwear, a huge tattoo of a taco on my chest and a burro that was sleeping beside me and that I somehow have signed ownership papers for. I have traded the burro with sanchez the owner of an internet cafe for 10 minutes of internet time. So for the love of all thats holy someone help me.



Gotta go, I hear them playing the macarena in the bar next door and I'm up for a little partying.

Dude, I think this gets the Post of the Week award! :sorcerer:

[Ken Corben]

You have no idea how funny and creative Finner is - he also won the best idea award for LART. We were running and gunning a RED test daylight EXT backlit multi-camera shoot with major elements and I said, "we need a gag for the story element."

With out missing a beat Finner kicks in an idea that is really going to entertain the reduser community when we release it on the GibCor channel on VUZE.

[Tonaci Tran]

Hi Shawn

All cables run into the shaft. It's not wired cables in the shaft, thats only with our zero-g model. The only cable we'll be providing is the power-extension cable. The longer RED lcd and raid cables can be ordered from RED. Depending on your configuration, you might not need any longer cables. If you don't have the RED Raid - then no longer Raid cable needed; if you keep the LCD closer to the camera (like I did at LART) - then no longer LCD cable needed.

Thanks for clarifying Brian.

I love the idea of being able to use the RED cradle and RED lcd on the actioncam. It helps keep the cost of working rig down. It's modular so you can always add more options later.

I will be taking more detailed shots of the actioncam shortly. I think Brian is on to something here. At the price for the red configuration, it may open more doors to future "steadicam" operators who can't afford a 30,000+rig.

[Tonaci Tran]

I agree with Ken, Finner was awesome. His speedo was a little traumatizing at first..but I think we all got used to it.

[Billy Summers]

I agree with Ken, Finner was awesome. His speedo was a little traumatizing at first..but I think we all got used to it.

Not me!

[Finner]

Thanks for all the kind words Ken, Tony and Billy. It was a pleasure to spend the weekend with everyone at lart. GibCor assembled a fantastic team.

By the way I am missing a pair of my black Speedo's. The ones that say "love machine" on the back. Anyone know where they are?

[chuck colburn]

Did you loan them to Jeff?

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Thanks for all the kind words Ken, Tony and Billy. It was a pleasure to spend the weekend with everyone at lart. GibCor assembled a fantastic team.

By the way I am missing a pair of my black Speedo's. The ones that say "love machine" on the back. Anyone know where they are?

I would check with Ketch. I think I saw him with it in his hand trying to express the size of something to a model.

[PFXNBM]

Joe Raley mentioned that there are a few unrecovered items from L.A.R.T.

Someone left behind a

A.) car mount
B.) green womens jacket
C.) Macbeth charts or line up grids
D.) few other small randoms. think sunglasses..

if you're missing something give me a heads up and I'll patch you through to recover your kit.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Bummer about the pics, Ketch. Next time!

Yeah, remember how you said that I shot more photos in one day then you did in your entire life? Next time I get an assistant to remind me to download the pictures.

But I got a few of you and 400 more left from the other cards.

Too bad the same of the best ones were taken in the first two cards.

Meeting and working (playing mostly) with you was great look forward to do it again.

Well you at work, sexy and beautiful ladies and our very LART Angels.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[T. Glen Phelps]

great shots Ketch!

[KETCH ROSSi]

nice pose! :)

I'm sure there will be others of all of us that rival it! Ketch alone...hahaha.

Yeah Casey I got a pose for you.. or two

At first I was not sure what to make of my presence at LART, but shortly after I started meeting avery one and had a blast shooting every one.

I even get to pose with RED (the lens CAP was on... so no shooting here, just posing)

But I must say I enjoy the most posing wile close to the girls, my heart was beating a bit faster ( well my arm actually, and I fricked out some of the girls) but I survived.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[KETCH ROSSi]

Ketch, sorry we lost ya on the way to the wrap party! We were lost. got phone directions and Bram put the hammer down, grabbing intersections like only he could.:poster_oops: the directions were mad easy, and on a paper plate on the bar. i didn't write them down either, thought someone else in the car had em already...

How'd you end up getting your car started after your battery died??? That must have been frustrating.


Best,

Kyle
Paradise FX


Kyle, I would have loved to attend Jim's place, but don't wary we will have other great opportunity, trust me they will be, any way it was not you driving.

And yes it was not fun to get jump started on a brand new vehicle, but thats what I get to let technitians play with my car and 16 LED-z units powered by the 6 power aoutlets in my truck, and the fact that I left the lights on wile loading didn't help.

But hey, I got jump started with the Rolls Royce's cables by the GT Mustang #11, now thats getting jump started in style.

Truly looking forward to meet with you at PARADISE and be blown away by your 3D workflow.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[Ken Corben]

Gents,

Just watched the finished clip of the EXT daylight backlit test we shot at LART that Matt Uhry DP'd - WOW!

Info, links etc coming soon from the talented boys at VUZE. Download it now so you can view the footage when posted this coming week.

http://www.vuze.com/app

Sharky

[KETCH ROSSi]

Thanks Ken,

did just that, it is a very impressive site.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Dane Brehm]

NOthing but goodtimes for all. Mike's 2nd day action cut is fantastic. With 4 camera's buzzing between the stunt people and Gibby overhead it looks great.

If anyone has a questions about Vuze please fill free to hit up Mike Burton and I.

Thanks again Ken, Steve, and Kyle for a truly monumental gathering no doubt!

Ketch sorry to hear about your photos.....here's a great one of you but beware doublejointed models.....http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/Dane416/DoubleJointedAH.jpg

[Jaime Vallés]

here's a great one of you but beware doublejointed models.....

Quote of the day, my friend! :biggrin:

[KETCH ROSSi]

Hey Dane,

at list I have about 400 that have made it home.

It was great meeting.

The photo is weecked but good.

Can you e-mail me the full rez one?

I had noticed her elbow backwords in few of my shots, but they are gone as well.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Jim Hoffman]

what's the price of the RED actioncam?

Also - Any news on the Birger test - when???

[Adrian T.]

what's the price of the RED actioncam?

http://actionproducts.ch/en/actioncam/red-edition.html (http://actionproducts.ch/en/actioncam/red-edition.html)

[KETCH ROSSi]

The full package for the RED camera will be near the $12,000 and it will be a great gear to have, a great deal for sure.

I know I'm getting one for my studio.

Prices were discussed during the testing at LART but not to say that they are not going to change.

Again this was the approx. Price estimate for the full RED package.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I was very impressed with Brian and his ActionCam. I have a reservation for Curt's Mirus MoCo head, but I'm seriously thinking about passing on that and going with the ActionCam instead as I would probably use it more, based on the stuff I've been doing lately.

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Can somebody tell me, what this LART exactly was? So much was written, promised before, where are the results? Everything under NDA or what? By the way: Goffs ActionCam is incredible, Brian is one of the best constructor with one of the best system out there, elegant, swiss made, worth the money...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

LART was a group of industry pros getting together to have fun with the RED camera. It was/is under NDA so Sharkguy and Gibby (GibCor) can release details when and how they choose.

Some tests were done... But more than specific tests, LART was an opportunity for many to come together and just use the camera in a variety of situations to see how it handled and what the best approach is from powering on the camera all the way through post. I can't speak for everyone else who was there, but I learned a lot about RED... A lot of things that aren't discussed on the forums much, if at all. It was nice to work with the cameras and see some of the existing issues first-hand. Stuff like the "sensor protect flares". Many of these issues are probably going to be non-issues with the replacement cameras. LART was also a chance to see how RED footage held up in real-world scenarios, so far it's doing very well with FX workflow testing I'm doing on it. I'm building a composite clip with bluescreen footage shot at LART and CG elements. I'm not quite half-way done yet, I've only been able to devote about an hour or so each night to working on it.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Things are happening. Just not visibily.

[mikeburton]

Footage will be coming soon. make sure you have the Vuze client installed and ready. www.vuze.com

[SF Geek]

I don't think you need to worry about anybody on here not being ready.

[PFXNBM]

any reason why i can't install VUZE on a 2GHZ Power PC G-5 MAC? anyone have a suggestion for that?

[mikeburton]

Can you give more information as to what problems you are encountering? What happens exactly when you try to install?

[Melissaj562]

I shot with the LART team on Sunday...I can't wait to see the results.

Melissa

[T. Glen Phelps]

Welcome Melissa!!!!

[Casey Green]

I shot with the LART team on Sunday...I can't wait to see the results.

Melissa

Hey Melissa,

It was cool meeting and working with you. You rocked LART! Glad to see you posting here. Welcome aboard!

[Jendra]

see some of the existing issues first-hand. Stuff like the "sensor protect flares".


Oooh, ooh, what's that!??

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Sun or 2k hits edge of frame... vertical column of blackness. Until the first 100 get replaced be very careful when pointing at any light source that engages the sensor protect that you don't let it touch the top or bottom of your frame.

[KETCH ROSSi]

I shot with the LART team on Sunday...I can't wait to see the results.

Melissa

Hey Melissa, now I don't remember if I shot you at LART, if I did PM me and I will find your photos and send them.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Dave Weber]

Sun or 2k hits edge of frame... vertical column of blackness. Until the first 100 get replaced be very careful when pointing at any light source that engages the sensor protect that you don't let it touch the top or bottom of your frame.


Yeah we had that happen the other day on a RED shoot. It seems that we could have a bit of the sun in frame but if we caught the center or brightest part of the sun, the sensor safety kicked in and left us with a black line through the frame.:ranting2:

[jbeale]

This "dark vertical line with bright light at edge of frame" problem was discussed in the "issues" thread last week. http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6346&page=28

On 12/6, Jarred said this problem has been fixed, but not yet released. http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=117949&postcount=279

In another post I remember but can't find, I read it was a firmware fix, not hardware. But maybe I imagined it; Jarred's post implies hardware.

[zak forrest]

I shot with the LART team on Sunday...I can't wait to see the results.

Melissa

melissa your myspace crashed my safari

[Anthony S. Lenzo]

Does anyone know when the next LART is happening?

[Laco Zamba]

Does anyone know when the next LART is happening?

Next Christmas :-)
This year LART results will be posted next week few days before Christmas. I feel it in my bones.

[Dane Brehm]

Laco You may be right........

[Ken Corben]

Imagine this in 4K 24 FPS and 2K at 72 FPS - SWEET!

Nice lighting and camera work by the boys - coming on the VUZE channel soon. The boys are working hard on the final grade.

Sharky

[KETCH ROSSi]

For a moment I didn't recognized the shot, so I was thinking you guys excluded me from some sensual inclosed strip tis, then I realized that She was one of the Fire dancers, my shots of them come out not so good as my camera turned out defective on the ALservo AF system and going back for service in a Canon recal of almost 2000 1D III (ouch).

Looking for to see this images as my first projects involves 30 of the most beautifull and sensual Exotic dancers in Vegas, all to be shot in dark areas, so again wryly looking forward to see how RED performed in this low light shoot.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Casey Green]

Happy New Year, everyone!

So, does anyone have an update on the ETA for all of the LART footage?

[Daniel Reichenbach]

LART? What is LART?

[Steve Gibby]

Happy New Year, everyone!

So, does anyone have an update on the ETA for all of the LART footage?

Hopefully sometime this weekend on VUZE. We'll see...we're working on it...

[Steve Gibby]

LART? What is LART?

Los Angeles RED Test (LART). A crew of about 30 professionals spent two days in early December testing equipment, and shooting scenes with four RED cameras, and multiple lenses. Color correction in SCRATCH, and editing in FCP by Mike/Dane of VUZE. Scenes will be posted in h264 and possibly other HD formats.

More info soon...

[Tonaci Tran]

Thanks for the update Steve. =)

[Casey Green]

Hopefully sometime this weekend on VUZE. We'll see...we're working on it...

Thanks Gibby.

Looking forward to it very much.

[PFXNBM]

saw some post under the fire dancing thread for pics from the models...

i've been making 4k tiff stills and batch rendering jpeg's out of all of them for whomever is interested...

i believe these were grabbed from stuff Blair and Ken shot...

~k

[Casey Green]

I'm interested in seeing stills from the rest of the footage that was shot, since the clips take a while to go through the post process.

Post away. JPGs are fine.

thanks very much,

[PFXNBM]

these are from Ken, Blair/Brooke's footage of Day 1

[PFXNBM]

more pics from Day one.... Blair/Brooke footage... saved as 4K tiff's then jpegs then downsized jpeg's from larger... just raised the brightness.. no color correction..

[PFXNBM]

model: Chloe Atnip
shot By Blair of the 4K Ninjas

[PFXNBM]

Model: Chloe Atnip
Photographer: Blair
Day 2

downrez from 4K tiff - jpg no color correction.

[PFXNBM]

Cindy Vela, Melissa Johnston, Olga Solmina, Dean & Matt of Dave's Gagage. The Carol Shelby Cobra and RR

Clothes by Ximena Valero www.ximenavalero.com

Blair of the Ninjas on the camera.

no color correction and quick click of the mouse by me...

[PFXNBM]

Getting out of Dodge. by Matt & Dean. :detective2: camera by Blair :ninja:

[PFXNBM]

feel compelled to go watch Ferris Buller's Day Off

[PFXNBM]

Brooke @ work.

[PFXNBM]

Olga, Alex, Joel, and???

[PFXNBM]

these should have been made in REC 709, but weren't...

Evlin Gharbigi and Audrone

[PFXNBM]

Jeff Bramstedt, Alex Huynh, Joel Lambert and another of Jeff's guys whose name escapes me.

[PFXNBM]

Bramstedt and colleague gettin after the action.

[PFXNBM]

model: Cindy Vela
camera: Ken Corben

[Nathan Garofalos]

Was LART invite only?

[PFXNBM]

w/o question, Cindy & Erin stole the show..

[PFXNBM]

Cindy Vela, Erin Sanders, Our host Dave Parker.

[PFXNBM]

couple more sets of Erin Sanders, Cindy Vela and Dave's collection.

will get more of everyone else's photo's up soon. made thousands of everything to get everyone their stills. not much color correcting though!

[PFXNBM]

Dave's cars. Thanks Joe!

[PFXNBM]

peoples photos will be color corrected to best of my ability b 4 you get them.

[PFXNBM]

JOE RALEY Driver Cadillac & THE MAN who made L.A.R.T. possible for all of us.

[PFXNBM]

Joe Raley, Melissa Johnston, Chloe Jordan

[PFXNBM]

Melissa Johnston, Joe Raley, Jeff Bramstedt

[PFXNBM]

fight scene pics

[PFXNBM]

didn't realize i could post more than 3 photos at a time...

i have 4K Tiff's of all these for everyone that's interested... look much, much better than these highly compressed jpeg's and the color space looks better.

~kyle