DaVinci 8.1 Announced!

[Tom.Wong]

http://digitalproducer.digitalmedianet.com/article/Blackmagic-Design-Announces-DaVinci-Resolve-81-1668643


highlights:

complete Avid Media Composer round tripping
better/more compositing abilities
ACES color space support
and more!


BM is on fire, slated to be released end of this month!

[Tom.Wong]

RESOLVE IS ALSO GOING TO PC Q1 2012. HUUUUGE NEWS!!

[Steve Sherrick]

Awesome, especially love the news about MC.

[Rosario Balistreri]

Yeah!
The Windows version news is damn good!

Waiting for a NLE better then FCP to completely switch to PCs, again!

[Tom.Wong]

I'm not a mac vs pc guy, i use it all. opening up to a PC let's you build a power house resolve setup for much cheaper, and let's you use much more cost effective and powerful gpu's like gtx 580. I've already priced it out and built a sick ass setup on newegg at the price it would cost to buy a 12 core mac tower, at several times the performance. I'm gonna be building a PC resolve, just dedicated to resolve 100%, and use my macs for everything else, and on set work. I hope the PC version can write pro res. If not, I still have mac towers to do that for me. Just write dpx or uncompressed with resolve PC and convert on mac. or if it's possible, just transfer the project onto my mac after all the grading is done and write on my mac if I need pro res. either way, it's all worth the performance for while your grading at such a lower cost.


MC round tripping is gonna be the shizzle.

[Jake Bastian]

So I'm guessing between this news and the news that Adobe acquired Iridas Speed Grade that integration with Premiere isn't really a priority for either company right now... The fact that they are increasing support for FCP 7 though leads me to believe that the ball is more in Adobe's court to implement XML 5 support? All that's left now is for Avid to get better R3D support and Premiere will be dead in the water as far as I'm concerned.

[jake blackstone]

just transfer the project onto my mac after all the grading is done and write on my mac if I need pro res.



Can't imagine why it shouldn't work.
For me, the best part, is that there is no need for Hackintosh anymore. You can build a sick Resolve grading station without resorting to use of the Mac expansion chassys and inferior GPUs. 16 GPUs, that's Linux domain for a price of Mac!
My partner is counting days, until he's able to do Avid roundtrip...

[Thomas Pohl]

RESOLVE IS ALSO GOING TO PC Q1 2012. HUUUUGE NEWS!!

I can`t believe it... I`m thinking about switching to PC after nearly 20 years working with Macs.

Cheers
Thomas.

[Hillary Knox]

Unless Apple gets it together with GPU drivers, I'll soon be using Macs for nothing more than surfing the web, writing emails, making the occasional FCP7 XML, and as a fancy ProRes / background transcode dongle.

[Rosario Balistreri]

thinking about it a bit more and I changed my mind...
Not sure that switching to PC is a real deal...
Hackintosh is still the best way to combine best software with almost-new hardware...
Yeah, you have to wait a bit more for drivers, but remember that you're on a pseudo-mac that it's cheap as a pc and works quite as a mac ;)

[Andrae Palmer]

I've tried Adobe Creative Suite 5.5... photoshop, premiere pro and after effects in bootcamp on Windows 7.... much faster. I have no issues whatsoever in using Windows 7. I think Mac OSX is the more gimmicky software. Heck same with FCPX.

[Tim Sutherland]

I wonder if they are making the Linux version free with panel purchase because the cards are getting so powerful now that using expansion chassis has become almost as powerful as the Linux expansion option.

[Rosario Balistreri]

I've tried Adobe Creative Suite 5.5... photoshop, premiere pro and after effects in bootcamp on Windows 7.... much faster. I have no issues whatsoever in using Windows 7. I think Mac OSX is the more gimmicky software. Heck same with FCPX.

absolutely true, Photoshop and after effects are leader on what they do... but I can't say the same thing on premiere...

[Tom.Wong]

As of now it's cheaper for me to stay on Mac and just go gpu expansion route and get flashed gtx 470's, but in the future any resolve system I'm building from scratch is gonna be ALL pc. it's just way too cost effective not to. The best part is just the options. It's gonna be a awesome year.

[Jay A. Kelley]

RESOLVE FOR WINDOWS!!!! WHAAAA HOOOOOO!

Jay

[Maz Mawlawi]

We can finally use "real" top of the line hardware...not being limited by Apple is going to be nice!

[Tom.Wong]

Part of me just wants to blow the money and build a PC system from scratch... must fight it...

[Andrae Palmer]

Part of me just wants to blow the money and build a PC system from scratch... must fight it...

Yeah if I didn't have two Epic-X's on the way... I would be in that state of mind too. I have to wire the money off to RED to avoid temptations.

[Jose Lomeña]

In q1 2012 i will move to windows!!,

Thanks so much!!!, I only need resolve to move.

[Christian Pfeil]

Yeah!
The Windows version news is damn good!

Waiting for a NLE better then FCP to completely switch to PCs, again!

...+1

[Brad Allen]

absolutely true, Photoshop and after effects are leader on what they do... but I can't say the same thing on premiere...
Which version of Premiere Pro did you try Rosario? Adobe has made some really good progress with Premiere in the last few versions - plus they are actively listening to users and taking feedback on board.

[Bérenger Brillante]

Which version of Premiere Pro did you try Rosario?
Not CS5 nor 5.5 I guess. Even CS4 was pretty well done and quite on par with FCP.

Adobe know what we want, and uses the board as a roadmap for their products, thanks to people like Bruce Allen , Shashbugu etc... This is a major deal maker for me... and the software is good.

[Rosario Balistreri]

Which version of Premiere Pro did you try Rosario?

Uses to edit in Premiere since CS2, switched to FCP one year ago and I increased the speed and the "partnership" with the machine...

Opened a friend project on Premiere Pro two months ago and I remembered why I switched to FCP eheh
Editing with a trackpad on FCP is like grading with a surface for most of you ;)

Probabily it's just a personal feeling, but FCP works faster for me, and I'm not referring at H264 native support of PP but offline-online workflow of Log and Transfer ;)
Apple color integration is also a plus :)
Now that FCPX is out I didn't fall in panic for choosing my next NLE software... FCP7 is still my favorite and works really well right now, no need to search for something new now that I'm trying to be a colorist first instead of an editor ^^

[Marc Wielage]

So I'm guessing between this news and the news that Adobe acquired Iridas Speed Grade that integration with Premiere isn't really a priority for either company right now...
The question for me is how long Adobe will continue to sell and support both SpeedGrade and Premiere. Or will they incorporate features of both into a single product?

[Rob Ruffo]

Yeah!
The Windows version news is damn good!

Waiting for a NLE better then FCP to completely switch to PCs, again!

I'd say if using Red, that CS5.5 is WAY better than FCP on PC.

[jake blackstone]

The question for me is how long Adobe will continue to sell and support both SpeedGrade and Premiere. Or will they incorporate features of both into a single product?

Speedgrade is a grading app, while PPro is an editor. So far Adobe has resisted creating one app, like Smoke and I don't see that changing any time soon.
With Speedgrade purchase Adobe had assembled a suite of apps, just like Final Cut Studio. The real question is how they planning to move projects between different apps- PPro, AE, Speedgrade, Photoshop and whatever sound app they have these days. I can't see Adobe making a real effort in accommodating Resolve. It's a competitor now...
Another question now is how long before Avid buys Assimilate?:thumbup1:

[M Most]

Another question now is how long before Avid buys Assimilate?


I've been waiting for someone to buy Assimilate for at least 2 years now. I thought for a time that a merger between Assimilate and Iridas would have been a very good combination, with Iridas contributing a lot of image processing expertise and technology, and Assimilate contributing great interface design and a solid playback and conforming engine. I even suggested it to both, but maybe it's a German/Dutch thing, because neither was interested even though they both saw the logic. A little late for that now, although I do agree that an Avid purchase would make sense, as it doesn't seem to me as a casual observer that Avid is particularly interested in developing DS any further, and also because Avid really doesn't have anything to offer currently that does what Scratch does. That would include cross platform operation, file sequence awareness, scalability, ability to do very effective dailies creation (color, synching, transcoding, anything really), GPU debayering technology, and also serve as the basis for DI type post work. Sounds like a good, complementary match to me.

[jake blackstone]

Sounds like a good, complementary match to me.

That is unless Avid goes for broke and decides to buy Nucoda from Image Systems. It seems to me, Image Systems had lost interest in post with their move into defense market. Avid and Digital Vision had always enjoyed special relationship, demonstrated by their peerless ability to interoperate. Personally I would love to see this happen. Assimilate must do something, soon, as they are stuck in no-men's land. They are the only free standing company left, offering professional, inexpensive-ish, cross platform, software only grading solution. They will newer be able to match BM in it's ability to use inexpensive software to sell the hardware. And they don't have the prestige, customer support and installed user base of Filmlight, deep pockets of Autodesk or Quantel.

[M Most]

Assimilate must do something, soon, as they are stuck in no-men's land. They are the only free standing company left, offering professional, inexpensive-ish, cross platform, software only grading solution. They will newer be able to match BM in it's ability to use inexpensive software to sell the hardware. And they don't have the prestige, customer support and installed user base of Filmlight, deep pockets of Autodesk or Quantel.

That would all be true, except that I don't believe that Assimilate sees Scratch as a "grading solution," and frankly, neither do I. Scratch is primarily a general purpose media management, conforming, and playback tool that happens to have grading capabilities than the other way around. It also is a very effective dailies creation tool, and for that you can use the Lab version, which sells for about $5K, a pretty attractive price when you compare it to competing products like Colorfront. There are far more seats of Scratch worldwide that are not used for color work than there are color seats, Assimilate themselves would probably confirm that. Only in the Red world is it seen as primarily a color grading system.

Now, having said all of that, I agree that they probably need a suitor at some point going forward.

[Luis Otero]

Should we expect it to be released today by midnight (even if it is PT)?

[jake blackstone]

Should we expect it to be released today by midnight (even if it is PT)?
It's October now. 8.1 is pretty substantial update, well worth the wait:-)

[Peter Chamberlain]

Thanks Jake, you're right it's worth the wait.
Just a little longer guys. We are finishing of a couple of things spotted in our QA cycle.
Thanks for your patience.
Peter

[Luis Otero]

Jake,

Thanks for the heads-up. I was planning on camping 'till 3:00 AM ET....!

[Tom.Wong]

Thanks Jake, you're right it's worth the wait.
Just a little longer guys. We are finishing of a couple of things spotted in our QA cycle.
Thanks for your patience.
Peter


Peter, you and your team do an amazing job. Any update is always a huge deal and well appreciated. The constant improvement and listening to customer wish lists really never goes unnoticed. Can't wait for 8.1, and can't wait for future updates to follow! It only gets more awesome.

[Uli Plank]

I rather wait a few more days than having issues with the excellent stability Resolve has shown until now.

[Neil W. Smith]

I rather wait a few more days than having issues with the excellent stability Resolve has shown until now.

Uli, we've been using the 8.1 beta for a week now and it is indeed already very stable ... plus, some very cool new features ... and as ever, great support from BlackMagic Design ... these guys have done a truly amazing job in re-engineering DV Resolve for the Mac ... all three of our colorists have switch over to using Resolve now .. we were fortunate enough to be a beta tester on the original DV Resolve 8.0 version and graded several features using the beta build.

BlackMagic were kind enough to do a story on the Kevin Hart feature 'Laugh At My Pain' which they published in POST magazine and put up on their website:

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/community/communitydetails/?UserStoryId=24045

The great thing about using DV R8 is that as well as doing 2D color correction, we can also do 3D work in real time ... our Mac Pros are fitted with PCIe expansion boxes ... one of them with 3 x GTX 480 cards ... runs like greased lightning and can handle 3D work with ease... the days of expensive heavyIRON solutions are surely numbered ... I think there's at least two Pablos for sale on RU at the moment ... they don't seem to be selling like hot cakes :-(

As soon as you can, upgrade to DV R8.1 ... you will be not be disappointed!

Neil

[Uli Plank]

I'm sure I won't be disappointed – never was since switching to Resolve from Color.

Do you really use the expression "greased lighting" in English? Funny, since we say "Geölter Blitz" in German – pretty much the same ;-)

[Neil W. Smith]

I'm sure I won't be disappointed – never was since switching to Resolve from Color.

Do you really use the expression "greased lighting" in English? Funny, since we say "Geölter Blitz" in German – pretty much the same ;-)

Yes, we use 'greased lightning' all the time ... even here in sunny Los Angeles .... however, I was actually going to use another English expression to describe the performance of Resolve 8.1 on the 3 x GTX 480 cards .... it translates roughly into some like .... runs like "Scheiße aus einer Schaufel" .... not sure if the metaphorical intention gets lost in translation but it's a phrase we use a lot ;-)

What GPU's do you use on your DV Resolve system?

Neil

[Adam Eden]

Hi Neil

I have 2 x Quadro FX4000 cards in my box in a cubix expander on 8.01 and i recently graded a 90min feature on it with no problems at all. I have the new 12 core mac with 24 gig of RAM and dual SSD drives in a raid hanging of my AVID UNITY media engine (fibre connection) and everything worked flawlessly.

Some scenes had up to 17 nodes and I still had realtime playback with no issues. Some people run 3 x quadro cards, but I haven't had the need.

I do however put my red rocket card in this box when working on longform RED stuff.

The main feature I would like to see in the next build of resolve would be joining timelines. As it would be really handy to be able to do this on RESOLVE as the feature i worked on
was in 4 sections, so In the end I got a final timeline and colour scene detected the earlier grades i did on the separate scenes.

Still worked fine.

[Uli Plank]

We were lucky enough to grab a few GTX 285 when they were still cheap, plus we have one Quadro 4800 FX. No expansion boxes with multiple cards yet, but for us as an arts university the number of seats is more important than speed.

[Tehben Dean]

Couple of questions, forgive me if these have already been answered.... :/

Is v8.1 compatible with the new FCPX xml?

Will the update be available for current "Lite" users? :)

When is 8.1 going to be available?

[jake blackstone]

Couple of questions, forgive me if these have already been answered.... :/

Is v8.1 compatible with the new FCPX xml?

Will the update be available for current "Lite" users? :)

When is 8.1 going to be available?

Resolve 8.0 is compatible with FCP XML, provided FCPX creates the same type of XML as FCP 7. From my understanding, now it does.
All Resolve updates are available for current users for FREE. Resolve Lite is no exception.
Peter already indicated, that 8.1 will be available in a short while.

[Tehben Dean]

From this thread: http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?64182-FCPX-and-Davinci-Resolve-8

"Apple just updated FCPX with xml support.... and it's a totally new and redesigned xml, It's called .fcpxml"

[jake blackstone]

As I just said in the other thread: http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?64182-FCPX-and-Davinci-Resolve-8 (mods can go ahead and delete it if they want, I posted it before I thought better and asked on this thread)

Apple just updated FCPX with xml support.... and it's a totally new and redesigned xml, It's called .fcpxml

And I already updated that answer as well with this:
I stand corrected. It is a brand new XML format.
Rohit just pointed this out. And he also mentioned, that 8.1 does supports it.

[Greg Huson]

Anyone? Anything? Isn't today like... Sept 38th? Well, I guess 'right' is more important than 'quick.' Update?

[Tom.Wong]

releasing in oct now. i'm guessing they might be tacking on a few more things with this release (crossing fingers) BM is always full of wonderful surprises

[Florian Stadler]

Sound passthrough? Please?

[Neil W. Smith]

releasing in oct now. i'm guessing they might be tacking on a few more things with this release (crossing fingers) BM is always full of wonderful surprises

We're testing the 8.1 Release Candidate as we speak ... rock solid with many cool features ... round-tripping with FCP X via the new FCPXML plug-in is trippy to say the least .... also testing it with the new AVID Media Composer 6 beta ... wow! .... this is going to be a killer combination .... I hate to say it, but Apple is going to lose a ton of professional editors and post-houses once MC6 comes out ... DV R8.1 and AVID MC6 is the way to go guys ....

We're already grading our first feature on 8.1 .... shot on the ARRI Alexa by an ASC DP .... looks pretty damn good and the new features in Resolve work well with Log-C material ... can't wait for our next EPIC project.

Well done Peter and the team! .... looking forward to showing it off at the SMPTE meeting at the end of the month.

Cheers,
Neil

[Luis Otero]

We are beta testing and not a single crash; not once. So, nothing to report due to solid performance.

[jake blackstone]

We're testing the 8.1 Release Candidate as we speak ... rock solid with many cool features ... round-tripping with FCP X via the new FCPXML plug-in is trippy to say the least .... also testing it with the new AVID Media Composer 6 beta ... wow! .... this is going to be a killer combination .... I hate to say it, but Apple is going to lose a ton of professional editors and post-houses once MC6 comes out ... DV R8.1 and AVID MC6 is the way to go guys ....

We're already grading our first feature on 8.1 .... shot on the ARRI Alexa by an ASC DP .... looks pretty damn good and the new features in Resolve work well with Log-C material ... can't wait for our next EPIC project.

Well done Peter and the team! .... looking forward to showing it off at the SMPTE meeting at the end of the month.

Cheers,
Neil
I'm happy 8.1 is working out great for you.
Many people are beta testing Resolve too. Although there is no NDA requirement by BM for that, don't you think Neil, when BM decides it is time, they should make the announcement of the software release themselves?
Also, I think, using beta software on a real job is a regrettable practice.
Did you read this warning, when downloading beta software?
Do not use this release in a commercial operating environment or while in the middle of a critical project.

[Albert Astorga Zepeda]

I am Actually Considering Lightworks on a Mac Pro Running Windows until it is released for mac. I got to say this NLE looks very promising. it is what the supposed Super Duper Replacement for the Legendary FCP7 was NOT.

[Bruce Allen]

I'm happy 8.1 is working out great for you.
Many people are beta testing Resolve too. Although there is no NDA requirement by BM for that, don't you think Neil, when BM decides it is time, they should make the announcement of the software release themselves?

Haha, yeah, many people just want to jump up and down to express their joy but can't :)

Personally I am thankful to know that Avid's MC6 beta is coming along well though - I'm super excited about it but am not in on the beta - so I think I owe Neil a beer!



Also, I think, using beta software on a real job is a regrettable practice.
Did you read this warning, when downloading beta software?
Do not use this release in a commercial operating environment or while in the middle of a critical project.

That is true... although in my personal experience, every "beta" of Resolve for Mac has been more stable Adobe and Apple "release versions" :)

BTW, do not use my statement as justification for running any beta of anything in a commercial operating environment :P

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[M Most]

Also, I think, using beta software on a real job is a regrettable practice.
Did you read this warning, when downloading beta software?
Do not use this release in a commercial operating environment or while in the middle of a critical project.

This is RedUser. There is no such thing as a "beta warning....."

[Neil W. Smith]

That is true... although in my personal experience, every "beta" of Resolve for Mac has been more stable Adobe and Apple "release versions" :)

Personally I am thankful to know that Avid's MC6 beta is coming along well though - I'm super excited about it but am not in on the beta - so I think I owe Neil a beer!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

You hit the nail on the head, Bruce ... Peter and his dev team sure know how to deliver robust software ... we graded two features on the original 8.0 beta when it first came out ... one that went to Toronto Film Festival (God Bless America) and one that is theaters now (Kevin Hart's 'Laugh At My Pain') ... and, even with the 8.1 beta, the ASC DP is totally cool with it being graded on the latest and greatest version ... looks gorgeous!

Now, as to your offer regarding beers - yes! ... if you can make it to the SMPTE Symposium in LA at the end of the month, I will definitely take you up on the offer ... Peter will be there as well ... and now that England (bunch of wankers) have been knocked out of the World Cup by the bloody French, I may well end up having to root for Oz against the All Blacks ... so bring your wallet (and all your credit cards) and we should have a blast ... oh ,and by the way, we might possibly be demoing some unnamed beta software at the event .. but please ... don't tell, Mr Blackstone, he could very well end up in a total state of 'tiswas'.

Neil

[jake blackstone]

oh ,and by the way, we might possibly be demoing some unnamed beta software at the event .. but please ... don't tell, Mr Blackstone, he could very well end up in a total state of 'tiswas'.

Neil

Neil.
If the image of the company, that doesn't mind running unapproved software and, as a result, sometimes may crush and burn doesn't bother you, that's fine. It's your business. That is, unless it affects my business as well.
People talk and, if Resolve has a problem, real or perceived, regardless of a reason, it can affect me and other Resolve users. Perception is everything, as any Red user would attest. It takes one bad experience to spoil the"rock solid" reputation, but it takes a long time to regain it. That is the reason why you were given this software to test and not to use in a commercial operating environment.
This is a third released beta version of 8.1, requiring update of Resolve database. That means, if something goes wrong, you can't just go back to 8.0...

[Peter Chamberlain]

Hi all, while Jake is correct that the DB updates mean going back to the old version will only work if you made a backup of the DB prior to the upgrade, which I always recommend anyway, I think each business balances the risk/reward ratio when using beta software and based on their experience with Resolve in the past quite a few do upgrade to the third beta or release candidate once they played with the first beta release. Each to their own, at your own risk.... but as Bruce mentioned, we do spend a lot of time on QA to reduce that risk.

Peter

[David Baumber]

I haven't read this entire thread but is Resolve now out on Windows? (It says you can buy it from vendors but all their sites only mention Mac OS). Anyone using the Windows version yet?

[Neil W. Smith]

Hi all, while Jake is correct that the DB updates mean going back to the old version will only work if you made a backup of the DB prior to the upgrade, which I always recommend anyway, I think each business balances the risk/reward ratio when using beta software and based on their experience with Resolve in the past quite a few do upgrade to the third beta or release candidate once they played with the first beta release. Each to their own, at your own risk.... but as Bruce mentioned, we do spend a lot of time on QA to reduce that risk.

Peter

Agree totally, Peter .... it seems to me that BMD puts its software through some serious testing before it even gets to us ... Mark was explaining that you get your in-house post-house in Singapore to double check the betas before they leave the building ... the rigorous QA testing pays off ... Resolve has always been rock solid.

We have three colorists - each one using 8.1 on live projects now .... no problems what so ever .... customers are all very happy.

As I mentioned in the PR story that Michelle did on 'Guido' and 'And They're Off' .... "“Our mission is to bring filmmakers’ visions to life at a price they can afford. Resolve 8 gives our two colorists, Bjorn Myrholt and Andrew Balis, the toolset they need to quickly conform, grade and output feature projects to the exacting standards I demand of Hollywood-DI colorists.”

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/community/communitydetails/?UserStoryId=24420

Both of these features were graded on the 8.0 beta ... one came in from FCP, the other from AVID ... we never had any problems with the on-line or grading.

DaVinci 8.1 continues in the wonderful tradition set by Grant of delivering great products at a great price ... really looking forward to playing with the Windows version when it comes out in January ... DV Resolve and Avid MC 6 on the Wintel platform ... now that's going to be serious heavyIRON competition.

Cheers,
Neil

[jake blackstone]

Hi all, while Jake is correct that the DB updates mean going back to the old version will only work if you made a backup of the DB prior to the upgrade, which I always recommend anyway, I think each business balances the risk/reward ratio when using beta software and based on their experience with Resolve in the past quite a few do upgrade to the third beta or release candidate once they played with the first beta release. Each to their own, at your own risk.... but as Bruce mentioned, we do spend a lot of time on QA to reduce that risk.

Peter
HI Peter.
Thank you for chiming in on the subject.
So, the question remains. If one starts a project in 8.1 and should something unforeseen happen in the process, is there a way to revert this project back to 8.0? Can 8.0 even read 8.1 projects?

[Neil W. Smith]

This is RedUser. There is no such thing as a "beta warning....."

Glad to see you haven't lost your sense of humor or sense of irony, Mr. Most ;-)

Looking forward to attending your ACES IIF workflow session at the SMPTE conference later this month .... should be a very interesting conference with the overall focus of the Symposium and Technical Conference on the 'The Large-Sensor Imaging Revolution'.

If people want to really understand how file-based workflow is changing, you might want to try and make it to the SMPTE Symposium to hear Mike speak ... what Mike doesn't know about color and finishing workflow, isn't worth knowing.

Here's the link to the SMPTE Conference site for more details:

http://www.cvent.com/events/smpte-2011-annual-technical-conference-and-exhibition/event-summary-c431a68b25ee45ec8cb988e62d705e26.aspx

And Mike, maybe after your presentation you should come over to our booth (#116) and we'll do a joint demonstration of the new SONY SR codec ACES workflow that we're testing out on our DV Resolve 8.1 system (oh no! - its not operational yet) .... but please, don't let your fellow Baselight colleague know ... he will only get his "knickers in a twist" and spoil the party .... only jokers and scalawags allowed I'm afraid.

See you on the 24th.

Cheers,
Neil

[jake blackstone]

but please, don't let your fellow Baselight colleague know ... he will only get his "knickers in a twist" and spoil the party .... only jokers and scalawags allowed I'm afraid.


Neil.
I''m happy to see, that you're keeping this discussion personal attacks free :-)
On the Filmight super secret, didn't you sign the NDA with FilmLight, like we all had to? Unlike BM they DO require it. Do you intend to blabber about it all over as well?

[Peter Chamberlain]

Hi, for clarification, once a database is upgraded you can't open it in an older version of Resolve. Thus, Projects saved in 8.1 wont open in 8.0.1 and in some cases even an older beta of 8.1. If u make a backup of your db prior to upgrading you can go go back to the app version that used that db but of course you would not have access to the new projects. Peter

[M Most]

Hi, for clarification, once a database is upgraded you can't open it in an older version of Resolve. Thus, Projects saved in 8.1 wont open in 8.0.1 and in some cases even an older beta of 8.1. If u make a backup of your db prior to upgrading you can go go back to the app version that used that db but of course you would not have access to the new projects. Peter

Exports and imports seem to work across versions, however.

[jake blackstone]

Hi, for clarification, once a database is upgraded you can't open it in an older version of Resolve. Thus, Projects saved in 8.1 wont open in 8.0.1 and in some cases even an older beta of 8.1. If u make a backup of your db prior to upgrading you can go go back to the app version that used that db but of course you would not have access to the new projects. Peter
Thank you for clarification Peter. That is what I thought. I'm happy to see, that, as I Mike had mentioned, that it is possible to open a later version projects with an earlier Resolve version. But I wonder, what will happen, if, say, 8.1 version project has key framed HLS curves adjustments. What would happen in this case? Would Resolve 8.0 just ignore it? I guess, I could just test it myself, but it's always just easier to ask:-)

[Peter Moretti]

I just want to say that different companies have different requirements for their beta users.

I'm not an Avid beta tester, but I do know that their requirements are very stringent: you have to have an Avid certified computer configuration and a valid support contract. You also have to be willing to devote at least 20 hrs a week to using the beta software.

This defacto means that you will be using beta software on real projects, which is clearly the best way to run the software software through its paces. Now I'm sure that there are "best practices" to severely limit the chance of a catastrophic loss. And it seems that Avid is in weekly contact w/ their beta testers. So I think its fair to conclude that not all beta programs are the same.

[jake blackstone]

I just want to say that different companies have different requirements for their beta users.

I'm not an Avid beta tester, but I do know that their requirements are very stringent: you have to have an Avid certified computer configuration and a valid support contract. You also have to be willing to devote at least 20 hrs a week to using the beta software.

This defacto means that you will be using beta software on real projects, which is clearly the best way to run the software software through its paces. Now I'm sure that there are "best practices" to severely limit the chance of a catastrophic loss. And it seems that Avid is in weekly contact w/ their beta testers. So I think its fair to conclude that not all beta programs are the same.
Those are all good points, except, in this case BM specifically prohibits such practice in their beta agreement, mentioned earlier.

[Jochen Kunstler]

Hi Neil,
long time no see (since Angel of Death). I'm on an Alexa show in North Carolina (The Healer) right now and I'm using Relove Lite to make dailies from Pro Res 4444 LogC files(applying the build in ARRI LUT, cropping and transcoding to Pro Res LT) almost in real time. And that on a system, which does just have the stock GFX card in it.
It is a beauty, and it took about 15 minutes to figure out the software (only for my very limited use). For real color work - I'd rather come to Hollywood DI, and Aaron.

[Neil W. Smith]

Hi Neil,
long time no see (since Angel of Death). I'm on an Alexa show in North Carolina (The Healer) right now and I'm using Relove Lite to make dailies from Pro Res 4444 LogC files(applying the build in ARRI LUT, cropping and transcoding to Pro Res LT) almost in real time. And that on a system, which does just have the stock GFX card in it.
It is a beauty, and it took about 15 minutes to figure out the software (only for my very limited use). For real color work - I'd rather come to Hollywood DI, and Aaron.

Jochen,

Great to hear from you, mate ... glad to see that the Angel of Death didn't totally finish you off ;-) ... also, glad to see you've mastered Resolve Lite ... great on-set app for doing exactly what you're doing ... as long as you don't need more than two grading nodes it has all the functionality of its big brother ... using the Arri LUT is a very efficient way to transcode the LogC footage to PR LT ... we're going to start running some training courses for Editors and DITs on using Resolve Lite effectively ... maybe you should come along and be a guest speaker!

Aaron is busy grading an Alexa show on the DV R8.1 beta right now ... very cool upgrade - get it as soon as you can ... his Mac system is fitted out with a souped up GTX 285 for the GUI and 3 x GTX 480s for the GPUs ... the 480s need extra power but do they run fast or what? ... as soon as you're ready to see your Alexa footage up on the big screen, come over and see us ... the footage we're grading at the moment has some amazing shots of downtown LA shot from the rooftops (Angel of Death on steroids) ... the ASC DP did a great job ... LogC and DV R8.1 is indeed a thing of beauty.

Neil