Ice cold and RED hot...

[Jannard]

We finished our environmental testing in heat and cold with the new cameras.

HOT- 1st warning at 106º F, camera shut itself down at 116º F ambient temperature.

COLD- Camera booted, operated, and recorded at -28º C. That is as cold as we could get the chamber.

Image results from the extreme temperature testing will be posted soon.

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_ice.jpg

[Steve Sherrick]

That's encouraging Jim. Are you allowed to say what the problem was? Not that it really matters to me at this point as I'm more concerned about what works, but I admit there is a bit of curiosity.

Thanks!
Steve

[G.A. Kokes]

Glad to see it starts up cold. Are there any plans to make rubber plugs for the inputs that are not being used?

Thanks,
G

[Jannard]

That's encouraging Jim. Are you allowed to say what the problem was? Not that it really matters to me at this point as I'm more concerned about what works, but I admit there is a bit of curiosity.

Thanks!
Steve

Steve... which problem? We are all pretty excited about these results! They actually exceed all expectations we had.

Jim

[Shawn Nelson]

excellent!! These are awesome results, thanks Jim. Ps, love the frosty smiley :-)

[Steve Sherrick]

Jim,

I was referring to the reported problems people were having before. You guys then went in, did some testing, and I think you mentioned you found a problem that was quickly corrected. I thought it was a great response by you guys and just was curious what it was that you found when you did the tests.

Steve

[Jarred Land]

All those numbers include recording to the Red Drive as well... pretty bad ass.

I dared Brent to stick his tongue on one of the rods but he wouldn't do it..

[Steve Sherrick]

That would have been great footage to get Jarred. Could have been Red's video Christmas card next year - Brent with his tounge stuck to one of the rods in the testing chamber. Season's greetings from all of us at Red. We've been workking hard to serve you. That would have been awesome. Oh well.

Anyway, that's great that you were testing with the Red Drive. A good sign.

Steve

[Jannard]

Jim,

I was referring to the reported problems people were having before. You guys then went in, did some testing, and I think you mentioned you found a problem that was quickly corrected. I thought it was a great response by you guys and just was curious what it was that you found when you did the tests.

Steve

Oh, that. We found hardware problems that we obviously fixed. Not going to say what.

Jim

[Steve Sherrick]

Oh, that. We found hardware problems that we obviously fixed. Not going to say what.

Jim
Understood. What's important is that you addressed it and it shows the commitment to making this camera as versatile as you possibly can.

Steve

[Thom Steinhoff]

Since these numbers far exceed my personal tolerances, I doubt I will ever be in a position to test your results--but your word is good enough for me! :)

Thanks for all your hard work and I can't wait to get mine!

[Clayton Harper]

We finished our environmental testing in heat and cold with the new cameras.

HOT- 1st warning at 106º F, camera shut itself down at 116º F ambient temperature.



What was the testing methodology? Was the camera running for any significant period before it was subject to those ambient temps?

I would assume that operating the camera for any length of time increases its internal temperature significantly. Are we gonna see failure at lower ambient temps with longer operating times?

[Greg M]

Brent with his tounge stuck to one of the rods

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[Jarred Land]

What was the testing methodology? Was the camera running for any significant period before it was subject to those ambient temps?

I would assume that operating the camera for any length of time increases its internal temperature significantly. Are we gonna see failure at lower ambient temps with longer operating times?

We are following an industry standard environmental test using an atmospheric chamber conducted by an external facility.

Its not just us putting the camera in the freezer, turning it on and coming back in half an hour to check on it (which we also have done :) )

[Alexander Nikishin]

Now that's re-assuring!

[Brent@RED]

I actually did the smiley face on the lens with my tongue, that close enough?

[luis bustamante]

the spec for hot temperature got bumped as well, right? We'll be shooting a lot in the Sonora Desert that can get as hot as 50°C in the shade sometimes so this is great news for us.

[Clayton Harper]

We are following an industry standard environmental test using an atmospheric chamber conducted by an external facility.

Its not just us putting the camera in the freezer, turning it on and coming back in half an hour to check on it (which we also have done :) )

Nice one. So did the methodology your testing facility used match the conditions that created the failures in some of the first 100 field units? It seemed like we had some users with similar shooting conditions reporting different results. Please tell me more than 1-2 units went in the chamber.

[Chris Parker]

This is AMAZING news. GREAT work RED team. Awesome response to a last-minute problem.

Not sure if this was already posted, but what was the solution that you used???

[Jannard]

Nice one. So did the methodology your testing facility used match the conditions that created the failures in some of the first 100 field units? It seemed like we had some users with similar shooting conditions reporting different results. Please tell me more than 1-2 units went in the chamber.

We found a major hardware issue that caused all of the 1st 100 to underperform in the cold. This was obviously fixed. The "heat issue" that Soderbergh experienced, and no one has seemed to have forgotten, was explained a long time ago.

Here are positive and conclusive test results that point to the fact that the RED ONE will now perform very well in extreme cold and up to a reasonable level of heat. We will always recommend that you take precautions in extremely hot conditions. Take a white umbrella, some gel packs, etc. Just common sense stuff.

Jim

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

HOT- 1st warning at 106º F, camera shut itself down at 116º F ambient temperature.

For those uf us in Metric land: 106 F is approx 41 C and 116 F is approx 46,6 C ( a lot hotter than I would expect in my part of the world)

And only rarlely do i expec it to be colder than -20 C

great work Jim, and team!

GOT TO LOVE THAT FROSTED SMILEY AT THE LENS ;-)

[Paul Hazlett]

All those numbers include recording to the Red Drive as well... pretty bad ass.

I dared Brent to stick his tongue on one of the rods but he wouldn't do it..

did you double dog him?

[Paul Hazlett]

I actually did the smiley face on the lens with my tongue, that close enough?

now that's talent. would not personally want to see that but...

[Sean R.]

I'm getting frostbite way before the Red One starts to shiver.

http://red.cachefly.net/video/Smiley.mov

[Brent@RED]

Fine, it was my finger after all. Now we have to show you the heat test where my finger melts on the top mount. :)

[Tim Lüdin]

Yeah, the swiss mountains are ready for my red.:biggrin:
Snowboard action at 75 fps. Cant wait for the 100 or even 120 fps.

We have some fresh powder waiting. Just ship those cams and we will rock.

Thanks guys. Have a good week.

Cheers
Tim

[Craig Meadows]

Well it's a frigid 49-degrees here in NW FL tonight - glad to know we can take this another 77-degrees colder if we have to! :) Congrats on the successful environmental tests!

[Wes Printz]

Interesting photo. Only the lens and mount are frosted, not the body, LCD or cable to the LCD, no notable signs of condensation either.

I understand Jim's position on the team resolving the temp issues reported, it was addressed, the system is now working. What more is needed to be known?

It would be more interesting to know how much the FFD may have shifted if at all in the temp swing from -28 C to +106 F. I have seen film cameras move from 10 F to a warm 75 F stage with in an hour. The 106F could be a typical So. Cal. day in October.

[sander kamp]

So are you confident enough to make these temperatures part of the hardware specifications? Or will the camera still be rated at 0º C - like other cameras that are rated for 0º C but still work when it's colder?

[Jarred Land]

It would be more interesting to know how much the FFD may have shifted if at all in the temp swing from -28 C to +106 F. I have seen film cameras move from 10 F to a warm 75 F stage with in an hour. The 106F could be a typical So. Cal. day in October.

Well i dont know where youve been in California but 106 degrees isn't typical, specially in October.

As for your FFD question, that is one of the tests scheduled.

[Jarred Land]

Yeah, the swiss mountains are ready for my red.:biggrin:
Snowboard action at 75 fps. Cant wait for the 100 or even 120 fps.

We have some fresh powder waiting. Just ship those cams and we will rock.

Thanks guys. Have a good week.

Cheers
Tim

ok... can i personally deliver your camera? Fresh Powder in the Alps sounds pretty nice about now.

[Larry McKee]

Hey Craig, I'm visiting my parents near Milton, FL and it is a frosty 48 degrees F here tonight. I really hope I never have to experience shooting at the low end of the RED's capabilities. The high end wouldn't be so bad.

[Rudi Herbert]

- 28 celcius is probably enough for most hardcore winter shooters, but 116 F or 46.6 celcius is quite the norm in a lot of places of wild but extreme beauty during summer (anybody wanting to shoot the pyramids in Giza?) so yes, stack up on those ice packs guys...

[John Godden]

Jim

You should remind your environmental tester to turn the N2 purge ON next time they take the chamber cold. :blush:

Congrats on the big improvement in the temp range.

JohnG


We finished our environmental testing in heat and cold with the new cameras.

HOT- 1st warning at 106º F, camera shut itself down at 116º F ambient temperature.

COLD- Camera booted, operated, and recorded at -28º C. That is as cold as we could get the chamber.

Image results from the extreme temperature testing will be posted soon.

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_ice.jpg

[Elvar Guðmundsson]

Spectacular news for Red operation in my country!! The only thing cooler than -28°C in all of Iceland are my girlfriend's toes :cold:

[jbeale]

You should remind your environmental tester to turn the N2 purge ON next time they take the chamber cold.

No doubt that's a joke but I'd say that picture was taken in a normal temperature room, after they took the camera out of the cold chamber (and drew the smiley face.) The frost formed on the coldest surfaces- maybe the body was warmer, or maybe the body surface finish reduces frost buildup. That looks like a sofa in the background, which aren't common even in high-end test chambers. :)

[Wes Printz]

Well i dont know where youve been in California but 106 degrees isn't typical, specially in October.

Used to live there (So. Cal.) for many years, recall quite a few hot days.. get the good ole Santa Ana's blowin, temps get into the 90's - low 100's.. maybe not quite 106, but can get warm, hence said "could be typical"... maybe should have said temps could reach....

[Jason Ramsey]

operating temperature for many cams seems to be 0-40 Celsius (32-104 F)... so what Jannard is reporting looks to me to be a pretty dang good range, especially on the cold end. Certainly within traditional "warranteed" levels.

The main thing (I would think) in hot temperatures would just be to shield the cam from direct sunlight as much as possible. Temps in the shade will be much more tolerable than direct sunlight on black equipment.

Later,
Jason

[J.D. Frey]

COLD- Camera booted, operated, and recorded at -28º C. That is as cold as we could get the chamber.

I work for a biotech company- and we can get down to neg 80 with one of our cascade system freezers- got a spare camera you want us to test?

;)

Seriously though- that's great news.

[John Hunt]

Well i dont know where youve been in California but 106 degrees isn't typical, specially in October.

...unless you're at Willow Springs Raceway in the summer - no willows, no springs, just nasty, 115+ desert weather - I'll bring plenty of gel packs for me and my RED!

[Tai Wah Lim]

the spec for hot temperature got bumped as well, right? We'll be shooting a lot in the Sonora Desert that can get as hot as 50°C in the shade sometimes so this is great news for us.

Red shut down at 116F or 46.6C. Need ice pack to go beyond I guess.

[Jannard]

BTW, the tests were done in a Thermotron.

Jim

[Ethan Cooper]

BTW, the tests were done in a Thermotron.

Sounds like a carnival ride.

[Charles Perkins]

ok... can i personally deliver your camera? Fresh Powder in the Alps sounds pretty nice about now.

You can personally deliver mine. I'm living in Verbier, Switzerland at the moment filming and skiing everyday.

I cant wait for my red to arrive!

[REDHKSC]

May we all ask ourself that up to now, how many scientists have ordered the RED ones for their extreme shooting locations ?

If not, it's not our position to make further In-house test.

1) Will the RED one camera + RED solar panels which can get Solar Engery from the Sky ?

2) Will the RED one camera explore if we shooting so close to the Burning Jungle or Vo Can NO !!!

Cheers,

STEW

[Jon Sagud]

Hold on tight everybody. Red is about to burst forth and change things forever. Tonight we stand on the precipice of delivering the cameras the world has been waiting these many months for. We are there. The cameras absolutely rock. Build 12 makes the Red One a complete package. The first 100 users have been instrumental in their contributions, their assistance, their patience and their unbridled support. We could not have asked for a better group of partners to test, to refine, to push the cameras to their limit. Without them, we would be months behind.

Jim took an unconventional path. Some would describe it as crazy. I did. Coming from an industry where large Japanese companies move slowly and methodically, testing and retesting before anybody knows the model number, I was in shock that cameras would be released to the market before they were ready. But Jim knew what he was doing. The passion that burns in him daily beat in the hearts of those brave reservation holders that stood in line that first day of NAB '06. He knew that these pioneers would be the best Beta testers money could buy. In the course of defining the trouble areas, Red simultaneously raised the bar for customer support. Ask Reservation holders 1-100 about Brent Carter and the Bomb Squad. No company in the history of our business has the personal contact and immediate response that Brent has developed at Red. And don't get me started on Kelly. She is the Gold Standard for customer service and personal attention.

The extraordinary thing, really, is that this company is human. It lives and breathes. It has an ego, it has feelings, it wants to be the best it can be. Every individual involved takes it personally. There are days when I wish the world could peak behind the curtain and see us. There we are, huddled in our ass freezing warehouse at lunchtime, circling the food table and the topic of conversation is the new lens mount, the latest temperature test and any number of open discussions about this amazing product. We love it. We are all in, every one of us. To the last person, this camera is a part of us. Whether we stock the shelves or test the back focus, answer the phones or ship the packages, we all look to Jim as a man we will not let down. You know the day you meet him that he believes in this camera with his heart and soul. This is not a business, this is his life.

I met Jim 25 years ago. I call him a friend first, a boss second. I am here because of the thing that he values most, trust. There are brilliant people here at Red, like Jarred, Deanan, Stuart, Matt, Dave V., the list is a long one. Each and every one of them has great input on this forum and I am humbled by their knowledge and expertise. I'm old school, having been around a long time with life-long experience more on the still side than motion (actually comes in quite handy with a raw capture camera like the Red One) and hope to be able to reflect the human side of Red. When you see one of my posts, it will likely be a behind the scenes look or a reflection of Jim he's too modest to mention. Bottom line, this is a camera company unlike any other camera company. It has a soul and it has an undying desire to be more than what is expected. Every day it will attempt to push the boundaries, never satisfied with good enough.

To anyone out there that is waiting, the wait will be worth it. To anyone wondering if this is real, rest assured that you haven't seen anything yet.

[Michael Brennan]

Good news on REDs cold temperature performance.

Personally I find any hot weather performance figure difficult to apply to practical shooting in hot climates, except if a camera can be operated in the shade or protected from direct sunlight, which is not always possible for doc shooters.

Albedo is the term that descibes the fraction of light reflected by an object.
Black metal reflects very little :(


Mike Brennan

[laguun]

good results - i am delighted to hear that the behaviour in cold environments is no longer an issue, especially for doc work the limits were a little bit tight before.

and i am surprised to hear that the disks are functional in those temps

[Terry Delahunt]

For those uf us in Metric land: 106 F is approx 41 C and 116 F is approx 46,6 C ( a lot hotter than I would expect in my part of the world)
Here in Perth, Western Australia, it reached 44 C (can you believe) on the 26th Dec. Not usually this hot.

The camera may work in these conditions.... but I'm not sure if I would?

[REDHKSC]

Hold on tight everybody. Red is about to burst forth and change things forever. Tonight we stand on the precipice of delivering the cameras the world has been waiting these many months for. We are there. The cameras absolutely rock. Build 12 makes the Red One a complete package. The first 100 users have been instrumental in their contributions, their assistance, their patience and their unbridled support. We could not have asked for a better group of partners to test, to refine, to push the cameras to their limit. Without them, we would be months behind.

Jim took an unconventional path. Some would describe it as crazy. I did. Coming from an industry where large Japanese companies move slowly and methodically, testing and retesting before anybody knows the model number, I was in shock that cameras would be released to the market before they were ready. But Jim knew what he was doing. The passion that burns in him daily beat in the hearts of those brave reservation holders that stood in line that first day of NAB '06. He knew that these pioneers would be the best Beta testers money could buy. In the course of defining the trouble areas, Red simultaneously raised the bar for customer support. Ask Reservation holders 1-100 about Brent Carter and the Bomb Squad. No company in the history of our business has the personal contact and immediate response that Brent has developed at Red. And don't get me started on Kelly. She is the Gold Standard for customer service and personal attention.

The extraordinary thing, really, is that this company is human. It lives and breathes. It has an ego, it has feelings, it wants to be the best it can be. Every individual involved takes it personally. There are days when I wish the world could peak behind the curtain and see us. There we are, huddled in our ass freezing warehouse at lunchtime, circling the food table and the topic of conversation is the new lens mount, the latest temperature test and any number of open discussions about this amazing product. We love it. We are all in, every one of us. To the last person, this camera is a part of us. Whether we stock the shelves or test the back focus, answer the phones or ship the packages, we all look to Jim as a man we will not let down. You know the day you meet him that he believes in this camera with his heart and soul. This is not a business, this is his life.

I met Jim 25 years ago. I call him a friend first, a boss second. I am here because of the thing that he values most, trust. There are brilliant people here at Red, like Jarred, Deanan, Stuart, Matt, Dave V., the list is a long one. Each and every one of them has great input on this forum and I am humbled by their knowledge and expertise. I'm old school, having been around a long time with life-long experience more on the still side than motion (actually comes in quite handy with a raw capture camera like the Red One) and hope to be able to reflect the human side of Red. When you see one of my posts, it will likely be a behind the scenes look or a reflection of Jim he's too modest to mention. Bottom line, this is a camera company unlike any other camera company. It has a soul and it has an undying desire to be more than what is expected. Every day it will attempt to push the boundaries, never satisfied with good enough.

To anyone out there that is waiting, the wait will be worth it. To anyone wondering if this is real, rest assured that you haven't seen anything yet.

Hi Big John,
I knew the RED one body had filled up of new type of " RED BLOOD " of course no real Human Heart inside unless you had met Jim in person to hear his heart beating to sync with his RED one bodies.

The fact is :
as far as I know at least in ASIA that many agents/resellers/rental houses of SONY / Arri / Thosmson / Panasonic have ordered RED ones to gain their new revenues. Camera is just a body, and will rest of them above have human hearts to sync with their one of the products ???
All of their founders above were RIP.

Only Founder @RED DC is alive.

TIME TO TELL the rest of the history.

My warmest regards to all RED one holders for now and future.

STEWART
HKG / CHINA / Thailand

[Frank Mirbach]

Hold on tight everybody. Red is about to burst forth and change things forever. Tonight we stand on the precipice of delivering the cameras the world has been waiting these many months for. We are there. The cameras absolutely rock. Build 12 makes the Red One a complete package. The first 100 users have been instrumental in their contributions, their assistance, their patience and their unbridled support. We could not have asked for a better group of partners to test, to refine, to push the cameras to their limit. Without them, we would be months behind.

Jim took an unconventional path. Some would describe it as crazy. I did. Coming from an industry where large Japanese companies move slowly and methodically, testing and retesting before anybody knows the model number, I was in shock that cameras would be released to the market before they were ready. But Jim knew what he was doing. The passion that burns in him daily beat in the hearts of those brave reservation holders that stood in line that first day of NAB '06. He knew that these pioneers would be the best Beta testers money could buy. In the course of defining the trouble areas, Red simultaneously raised the bar for customer support. Ask Reservation holders 1-100 about Brent Carter and the Bomb Squad. No company in the history of our business has the personal contact and immediate response that Brent has developed at Red. And don't get me started on Kelly. She is the Gold Standard for customer service and personal attention.

The extraordinary thing, really, is that this company is human. It lives and breathes. It has an ego, it has feelings, it wants to be the best it can be. Every individual involved takes it personally. There are days when I wish the world could peak behind the curtain and see us. There we are, huddled in our ass freezing warehouse at lunchtime, circling the food table and the topic of conversation is the new lens mount, the latest temperature test and any number of open discussions about this amazing product. We love it. We are all in, every one of us. To the last person, this camera is a part of us. Whether we stock the shelves or test the back focus, answer the phones or ship the packages, we all look to Jim as a man we will not let down. You know the day you meet him that he believes in this camera with his heart and soul. This is not a business, this is his life.

I met Jim 25 years ago. I call him a friend first, a boss second. I am here because of the thing that he values most, trust. There are brilliant people here at Red, like Jarred, Deanan, Stuart, Matt, Dave V., the list is a long one. Each and every one of them has great input on this forum and I am humbled by their knowledge and expertise. I'm old school, having been around a long time with life-long experience more on the still side than motion (actually comes in quite handy with a raw capture camera like the Red One) and hope to be able to reflect the human side of Red. When you see one of my posts, it will likely be a behind the scenes look or a reflection of Jim he's too modest to mention. Bottom line, this is a camera company unlike any other camera company. It has a soul and it has an undying desire to be more than what is expected. Every day it will attempt to push the boundaries, never satisfied with good enough.

To anyone out there that is waiting, the wait will be worth it. To anyone wondering if this is real, rest assured that you haven't seen anything yet.

Well said !

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

really, is that this company is human. It lives and breathes. It has an ego, it has feelings, it wants to be the best it can be. .

Nice very nice feelings for 1st post.:sorcerer:

[Larry McKee]

Big Jon, welcome to the forum. Looking forward to your continued insights.

[Tim Lüdin]

Damn Big Jon, I got goosebumps because of your post.
We all know the RED team is special. I've seen it at the IBC. It's like a small special forces unit that would die for their leader and cause. That's exactly the type of team I will spend my money and trust on.

Semper Fidelis
Tim

[Jarred Land]

Hi Big John, unless you had met Jim in person to hear his heart beating to sync

I dont really understand 90% of what you said.. but just so you know Big Jon is part of the Red Team, and meets Jim, in person, almost every day.

[Steve Freebairn]

ok... can i personally deliver your camera? Fresh Powder in the Alps sounds pretty nice about now.

You can personally deliver my camera, we've got a lot of powder this last week. Seriously, if you can bring 1108 to Red's sundance party (I'm hoping you guys have one this year), it'd be great :)

[Brent@RED]

To answer an earlier question... Yes, I drew the happy face on the lens after the camera was removed from the Thermotron and in the conference room outside of the testing room.

[Jarred Land]

...unless you're at Willow Springs Raceway in the summer - no willows, no springs, just nasty, 115+ desert weather - I'll bring plenty of gel packs for me and my RED!

Oh yeah.. I used to live in Santa Clarita and it got so hot candles would literally melt all by themselves. Summers are brutal.

[Mardi_Gras]

Damn! Big Jon beat me to it... damn! I was still hoping the position of Red's "soul-man" was still open. Anyway, better luck next time I guess. Well said, Big Jon. Welcome aboard!

[John Godden]

To answer an earlier question... Yes, I drew the happy face on the lens after the camera was removed from the Thermotron and in the conference room outside of the testing room.

:w00t: .................... :w00t:
That's too funny!

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

I dont really understand 90% of what you said.. but just so you know Big Jon is part of the Red Team, and meets Jim, in person, almost every day.

I always find difficulties understanding what he want to say ??..:waaa:

[Tim Lüdin]

ok... can i personally deliver your camera? Fresh Powder in the Alps sounds pretty nice about now.

Hey Jarred, you and the RED team are always invited to our secret snowboard spots. We dont show them to everybody, but to you I would :biggrin:

Tim

[Rudi Herbert]

To answer an earlier question... Yes, I drew the happy face on the lens after the camera was removed from the Thermotron and in the conference room outside of the testing room.

Yeah, I was wondering how and why they manage to keep those nice leather sofas and a table inside the thermotron...:-)

[Antoine Fabi]

All those numbers include recording to the Red Drive as well... pretty bad ass.


Very good news guys !

Congrats !!!


BTW, was the LCD working at that temperature ?

[Sean R.]

The LCD worked the entire run of testing. There were no evident negative characteristics.

[Brook Willard]

BTW, the tests were done in a Thermotron.

Jim

Cool...



...



...get it?

*sigh* :)

[Finner]

Cool...



...



...get it?

*sigh* :)

And you wonder why people think you are a 50 something year old man?

[Rob Lohman]

good to see you on the forum Jon, I like your name :)

[Jon Sagud]

Thanks Rob! Are you staying warm in the frozen North? We're having some of the most beautiful, clear blue sky days imaginable here in So Cal. Driving on the 241 today I could see downtown LA skyscrapers. That's 40 miles as the crow flies. Just beautiful! Why, come to think of it, that's 4K weather! Think I'll shoot some footage tomorrow. Travel home safe... we'll keep a light on!

[Rob Lohman]

Yeah, let's not talk about the cold.... Can't wait to feel the sun again.

Thanks, have fun!

[Antoine Fabi]

The LCD worked the entire run of testing. There were no evident negative characteristics.

:) :) :)

[Graeme Nattress]

I thought it was me who was in the frozen north!
2355
Graeme

[Paolo Tinari]

I thought it was me who was in the frozen north!
2355
Graeme

Hi there,
Can you skate already on the Rideau canal?

[Graeme Nattress]

I'm one of those people who need the 3rd skate - the one that goes on your bum!

I don't know if it's been cold enough, long enough to be safe yet. The Rideau itself (runs by our house) is still a little wet...

Graeme

[number6]

Hold on tight everybody. Red is about to burst forth and change things forever. Tonight we stand on the precipice of delivering the cameras the world has been waiting these many months for. We are there. The cameras absolutely rock. Build 12 makes the Red One a complete package. The first 100 users have been instrumental in their contributions, their assistance, their patience and their unbridled support. We could not have asked for a better group of partners to test, to refine, to push the cameras to their limit. Without them, we would be months behind.

Jim took an unconventional path. Some would describe it as crazy. I did. Coming from an industry where large Japanese companies move slowly and methodically, testing and retesting before anybody knows the model number, I was in shock that cameras would be released to the market before they were ready. But Jim knew what he was doing. The passion that burns in him daily beat in the hearts of those brave reservation holders that stood in line that first day of NAB '06. He knew that these pioneers would be the best Beta testers money could buy. In the course of defining the trouble areas, Red simultaneously raised the bar for customer support. Ask Reservation holders 1-100 about Brent Carter and the Bomb Squad. No company in the history of our business has the personal contact and immediate response that Brent has developed at Red. And don't get me started on Kelly. She is the Gold Standard for customer service and personal attention.

The extraordinary thing, really, is that this company is human. It lives and breathes. It has an ego, it has feelings, it wants to be the best it can be. Every individual involved takes it personally. There are days when I wish the world could peak behind the curtain and see us. There we are, huddled in our ass freezing warehouse at lunchtime, circling the food table and the topic of conversation is the new lens mount, the latest temperature test and any number of open discussions about this amazing product. We love it. We are all in, every one of us. To the last person, this camera is a part of us. Whether we stock the shelves or test the back focus, answer the phones or ship the packages, we all look to Jim as a man we will not let down. You know the day you meet him that he believes in this camera with his heart and soul. This is not a business, this is his life.

I met Jim 25 years ago. I call him a friend first, a boss second. I am here because of the thing that he values most, trust. There are brilliant people here at Red, like Jarred, Deanan, Stuart, Matt, Dave V., the list is a long one. Each and every one of them has great input on this forum and I am humbled by their knowledge and expertise. I'm old school, having been around a long time with life-long experience more on the still side than motion (actually comes in quite handy with a raw capture camera like the Red One) and hope to be able to reflect the human side of Red. When you see one of my posts, it will likely be a behind the scenes look or a reflection of Jim he's too modest to mention. Bottom line, this is a camera company unlike any other camera company. It has a soul and it has an undying desire to be more than what is expected. Every day it will attempt to push the boundaries, never satisfied with good enough.

To anyone out there that is waiting, the wait will be worth it. To anyone wondering if this is real, rest assured that you haven't seen anything yet.

B.J. that is all well and good. But what I want to know is what is the line of succession? By his oun admission, Jim crawls to within 12 feet of a bald eagle. What if he decides he is immortal and does the same with a grizz or a pola bear? Who then *****? Who will be the next Red ******? I expect nothing to happen, but just in case, I THINK AS A DEPOSIT HOLDER I HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT HIS HEART WILL GO ON! WHO WILL KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE?

Sincerely,

Number6

[Victor Noir]

Glad to hear about the cold boot temp.... taking the Red to the North Pole this August--can't wait!

[Elizabeth Lowrey]

I THINK AS A DEPOSIT HOLDER I HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT HIS HEART WILL GO ON!

Just channel Celine Dion and you'll be okay: "Near, far, where e----------ver you are . . . "

[number6]

Just channel Celine Dion and you'll be okay: "Near, far, where e----------ver you are . . . "

Sohhhhh Eclair, you are saying that Celine Dion will be next in line as Red ******? I dunno, that's gonna take some gettin' used to.:usd:

[Jon Sagud]

B.J. that is all well and good. But what I want to know is what is the line of succession? By his oun admission, Jim crawls to within 12 feet of a bald eagle. What if he decides he is immortal and does the same with a grizz or a pola bear? Who then *****? Who will be the next Red ******? I expect nothing to happen, but just in case, I THINK AS A DEPOSIT HOLDER I HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT HIS HEART WILL GO ON! WHO WILL KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE?

Sincerely,

Number6

Great point! Firstly, I think Jim may be immortal, so no reason for concern, but in the event that he's just flesh and blood like you and me, he has taught his lieutenants well! Have you ever met Jarred? He's Jim's twin brother from a different mother! The passion runs deep around here; we are all living and breathing this company. The brain truss around here alone could mount another expedition to the moon. Worry not #6, the dream is bigger than us all.

[Dane Brehm]

Just don't go to the Zoo and try out the immortality.......

dane

[number6]

I think Jim may be immortal, so no reason for concern Worry not #6, the dream is bigger than us all.

Thanks, that's reassuring. (whew! that Celine Dion rumor had me worried!)

[JD Holloway]

Jim is Chuck Norris!

[Eugene]

Thermotron? That is just dry heat. Try Floridatron; Orlando in the summer.
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11315644/Melting_Right_Hand_Aluminum_Sweat_Recycling_Furnac e.jpg

[Aiden K.]

Oh, that. We found hardware problems that we obviously fixed. Not going to say what.

But don't you think owners have a right to know what the problem was? What if they have the same hardware problem, which goes with my original post about heating issue. If I had bought the red #2 and you discovered a hardware problem... how would MY red #2 be resolved if it were hardware? do you take it back in and fix it for free? What if the red team discovered the hardware problem AFTER the year warranty?

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Come on, seems you didn't get it, that RED will CHANGE the first 100 delivered cameras for free, enough to understand, that RED is close to there customers and I'm convinced, they will be there, if we have other hardware problems. The WHY isn't this much important to know I guess.

[Aiden K.]

RED will CHANGE the first 100 delivered cameras for free

That's one thing I was wondering... is this really true?

The other, I still can't get out of my head... why keep people in the dark with what went wrong with hardware? Why such a big secret? Because it might be something that people will question the overall stability of the machine?

[Wes Printz]

The other, I still can't get out of my head... why keep people in the dark with what went wrong with hardware? Why such a big secret? Because it might be something that people will question the overall stability of the machine?

NO manufacturer is obliged to disclose design improvements to their end users. If an automobile manufacturer finds a problem with one of their products they do a recall and correct the units in the field and apply the improvement to future units.

That is an effort towards making a product more reliable, thus instilling consumer confidence. There was something reported to RED, they were able to replicate this, and resolve the issue. Problem solved.

With the first 100 units having been replaced with new cameras all together, showing a commitment to their users, along with the follow-up support, If people still have doubts after that, then maybe RED is not the camera for them.

[Aiden K.]

NO manufacturer is obliged to disclose design improvements to their end users.

I just assumed since RED was such an unusual company, maybe they would be different than "the automobile" makers you speak of.

Personally, keeping ME confident in a product, is to tell me what went wrong and how it was fixed and how it will be prevented in the future. I find confidence in honesty. Then again, maybe I'm not the typical consumer.

[Jon Corcuera]

Hey the optic didn´t deserve such a bad treatment!!
I may start a Non profit Agency for the protection of optics.
More information soon. But you guys will have notcie from me.
Jon

[Jannard]

If you read the posts, we were quite forthcoming about the 1st 100. It wasn't so much about what was wrong but more about major improvements.

The "X" cameras included a new board design, new lens mount and several other tweaks and upgrades.

As for your reliability concern... easy. Just wait until the concern goes away.

Jim

[Shawn Nelson]

I just assumed since RED was such an unusual company, maybe they would be different than "the automobile" makers you speak of.

Personally, keeping ME confident in a product, is to tell me what went wrong and how it was fixed and how it will be prevented in the future. I find confidence in honesty. Then again, maybe I'm not the typical consumer.


Uh...there is no precedent in a company telling you what went wrong. As an engineer, I say there is no reason for it at all. It won't inspire confidence, just more FUD. That they fixed it is all we need to know.

[Steve Sherrick]

I just assumed since RED was such an unusual company, maybe they would be different than "the automobile" makers you speak of.

Personally, keeping ME confident in a product, is to tell me what went wrong and how it was fixed and how it will be prevented in the future. I find confidence in honesty. Then again, maybe I'm not the typical consumer.

Apparently you haven't seen footage from the camera up close and personal. That might be all the confidence you need.

They addressed the issue. If it comes up again, they will fix it. We've been let in on the design of the camera, been given the chance to get them sooner than most would have released, and then on top of that they have provided new cameras to the first 100 for their efforts.

That is a different way of doing things.

Steve

[Aiden K.]

Where are your heads?!

That is like saying... "If my government tells me it's OK, then it's OK!"

Oh, hiroshima? don't worry about it...its all fixed now, you can go back and live there.

I want to know what was wrong to make my OWN assessment of it. Not someone just telling me "It's okay, whatever it is, it's fixed now".

And I understand that RED has the right to give or keep any information they want out to the public, or keep private.

I just like to know everything I can about a product before jumping into it.

If I never KNEW there was a problem, that would be a different story.

And speaking of car manufacturers, they DO tell you what when wrong when they do a recall.

[Aiden K.]

As for your reliability concern... easy. Just wait until the concern goes away.

Do you mean when the concern goes away because people forget about what went wrong in the first place?

[Shawn Nelson]

Where are your heads?!

That is like saying... "If my government tells me it's OK, then it's OK!"

Oh, hiroshima? don't worry about it...its all fixed now, you can go back and live there.


This isn't public, this is business. You didn't vote Jim into Red. Public leaders have a duty to reveal. Business leaders, as long as health, safety or ethics aren't involved, don't.



I just like to know everything I can about a product before jumping into it.

If I never KNEW there was a problem, that would be a different story.

And speaking of car manufacturers, they DO tell you what when wrong when they do a recall.

Now you aren't even being consistent with your definitions. Jim did tell us what was wrong as much as car dealers do - it couldn't handle extreme temps. You appear to want him to dive down to the engineering reason, the nitty-gritty detail. Asking him "what went wrong" and expecting such an answer is the same as asking "what EXACTLY did you do to fix it?" which would in turn probably give away trade secrets.

[Aiden K.]

Asking him "what went wrong" and expecting such an answer is the same as asking "what EXACTLY did you do to fix it?" which would in turn probably give away trade secrets.

You win. Kudos.


Do you really think they're going to give you Scarlet #27?

[Brent J. Craig]

Do you mean when the concern goes away because people forget about what went wrong in the first place?

Nothing 'went wrong'. The recipients of the first 100 beta cameras identified a requirement for a professional caliber camera, notified Red, and had it solved.

The speculation here (and there were some pretty smart engineering types discussing it) was that there might have been a component on one of the boards that wasn't rated for the temperatures we were subjecting it to. Still guessing here, but the components were probably replaced with higher-spec pieces, probably expensive military-grade stuff.

There is no big conspiracy. There is nothing being hidden. There was a problem that existed only in the first 100 beta cameras and only because our extreme needs may have been underestimated. Red listened to the community and seemed to spare no expense finding the problem and fixing it - quickly.

Did they pass on the expense of these pricier components to future purchasers? Did they make the original purchasers buy an upgrade? Did they make a revision A camera that people would have to buy if they wanted the problem solved? Did they even make the original 100 pay for shipping back to Red for a repair? Read back through this thread from Post #1 to the start today's rantings and learn what they did.

You'll be pleasantly surprised.

[Finner]

Where are your heads?!

That is like saying... "If my government tells me it's OK, then it's OK!"

Oh, hiroshima? don't worry about it...its all fixed now, you can go back and live there.

I want to know what was wrong to make my OWN assessment of it. Not someone just telling me "It's okay, whatever it is, it's fixed now".

And I understand that RED has the right to give or keep any information they want out to the public, or keep private.

I just like to know everything I can about a product before jumping into it.

If I never KNEW there was a problem, that would be a different story.

And speaking of car manufacturers, they DO tell you what when wrong when they do a recall.

Okay I'll fill you in on the big secret.

Mother board: DV1S^>59II got a replacement on chips:

456666788987wZ3

and

12345725186>y54

with traverse coded intervals

sdvy43j1h2h5i7yr7ads :G1

allowing it to interface better for:

the1jackassthatasks2manydumbquestions system

clear enough for you

[Gian Joon]

Xaidenx,
You started out on reduser few hours back. And now you are everywhere.You're trying to digest too much inof in too little time. What's the hurry.

One step a time and try to chew as much as you can.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Oh thank you Finner I was wondering lately about 12345725186>y54 being the proper part number.

I feel it's very reassuring.

Thank you so much

Emmanuel

[Frank Weeks]

allowing it to interface better for:

the1jackassthatasks2manydumbquestions system

clear enough for you

Thank you Finner

[Michael Morlan]

Finner,

A bit harsh but apropos. :) In a more compassionate vein:

Asking questions is never wrong. Expecting or demanding answers leads to unnecessary conflict.

Expecting answers when safety is involved is a public duty.

Xaindex, you're new to the RED User community. The RED User crowd is a passionate lot but there are guidelines that have evolved over the course of the last few months that create a smooth functioning community (and indeed any such gathering.)

I find that in new settings, whether a meat-space party or an online community, it behooves me to get the lay of the land and observe for awhile. Then I find a way to participate in a manner similar to those of the majority - to ingratiate myself. If I have something I can offer the group (like cupcakes for the party or a thoughtfully rendered diagram of the data work flow of the RED One) I'll build some credibility and good will before I start offering criticisms. If I am new and have only questions, I consider ameliorating my tone in order to indicate my lowly rank amongst more experienced members and to thank everyone for their time.

Best,

Michael

[Aiden K.]

What's the hurry.

One step a time and try to chew as much as you can.

Hey, I'm human! I'm capable of multi-tasking, but to be honest, I should be working instead of these forums!! DAMN YOU RED!

[combatentropy]

Camera booted, operated, and recorded at -28º C.

The actors, however, died.

[Aiden K.]

Read back through this thread from Post #1 to the start today's rantings and learn what they did.

You'll be pleasantly surprised.

I'll do that right now... but didn't you said you were going to be just a lurker from now on? :bleh:

[Brent J. Craig]

I'll do that right now... but didn't you said you were going to be just a lurker from now on? :bleh:

Yeah. It's like a drug. I felt lost without my weekly moderator spankings.

[Aiden K.]

I find that in new settings, whether a meat-space party or an online community, it behooves me to get the lay of the land and observe for awhile. Then I find a way to participate in a manner similar to those of the majority - to ingratiate myself. If I have something I can offer the group (like cupcakes for the party or a thoughtfully rendered diagram of the data work flow of the RED One) I'll build some credibility and good will before I start offering criticisms. If I am new and have only questions, I consider ameliorating my tone in order to indicate my lowly rank amongst more experienced members and to thank everyone for their time.

But, then I wouldn't be me. And I like being me... if people don't like me, hey, that's not really my problem. There are many people out there who DO like me.. and if some people don't.. I'm not offended. But I choose to be the way I am because it works best for me, always have, always will. Be it online, in the real world, or in outer space.

I appreciate the people who answer the questions I have, I could care less about the people who post back to me with comments like Finners.

Everywhere in life you'll have people who don't get along with each other, but the world still seems to revolve.

:) I mean not to offend anyone.. just stating my personal preference.

I'm a potential customers and I like to know what's going on with a product I may eventually purchase. That's all. I'm not demanding answer, was just asking "Why?"

[Jay A. Kelley]

Xaindex

Hi, I'm Jay, nice to meet you. You did not seem to catch what Michael was saying so let me put this another way for you:

This is a company owned site, it is not here for freedom of speech. Be nice, get along and all will be fine. Piss people off and your ass will be blocked and then banned.

Then you can like you all you wish, you'll just be doing it somewhere else.

If you want to stay here, be yourself, but be a version everyone can get along with, otherwise...

If we have to choose between you and Finner, a long time contributing member.. I have bad news.

You get the idea.

Have a wonderful week!

And be nice... I'd hate to see you go away..

Jay

[Finner]

I appreciate the people who answer the questions I have, I could care less about the people who post back to me with comments like Finners.


What, you don't want to be my friend?



Xaindex
If we have to choose between you and Finner, a long time contributing member.. I have bad news.
Jay

See Jay's my friend and I am pretty sure I have posted much worse things to him before. (HA)

[Jay A. Kelley]

I like you dude, but with that friggin Hoff Avatar, I can't use the word "friend" in public.

:bleh:

Jay

[Bruce Allen]

I like you dude, but with that friggin Hoff Avatar, I can't use the word "friend" in public.

:bleh:

Jay

Hahaha!

Love is complex, sometimes...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Alexander Nikishin]

Can't we all just get along. :mellow:

Actually, I prefer that we don't all just get along.

Some people on here are royal assholes, others are royal ass kissers, so on, so forth.

I prefer people to be themselves but have something to contribute from time to time atleast.

Something of importance, not just bs chit chat. I think this forum as much more "loose" than other such as c.com or c.net, that's what makes it a bit fun at times.

Though at other times, it is awfully iritating to have a serious thread with great things to learn and inquire about, then some moron begins going completely off-topic. Or another moron begins flirting with another member of the forum (Gay as this may sound it happens often).

For a perfect example of what makes this forum great (Ass-kissing aside) look at Jim's/Graeme's/David M's posts. Consistently good stuff!

Long story short, at times I wish this forum was a bit more serious/professional and at times I don't. It's quite bitter-sweet.

[Aiden K.]

Hi, I'm Jay, nice to meet you.

Hello Jay. Nice to meet you as well.


This is a company owned site, it is not here for freedom of speech. Be nice, get along and all will be fine. Piss people off and your ass will be blocked and then banned.

Hmm. Interesting, where his this forum hosted, China? What's to stop someone who gets blocked or banned, from spoofing and ip address to re-register?


If you want to stay here, be yourself, but be a version everyone can get along with, otherwise...

I've been myself since early this morning.

And if there are people here that don't like what I have to say or contribute, they can just ignore it, like I will do with the stuff I don't like. I think there are a couple people on here that understand me and can "handle me" and those are probably the same people that those of you who don't like me, you don't like them either. Anyway...

Have a great week yourself Jay, looking forward to chatting it up with you about some RED stuff!

[Aiden K.]

What, you don't want to be my friend?

You don't even know how bad I wish I could be your friend. But the fact of the matter is...


The RED one had an over heating problem!! and I want to know WHY! :clown2:

[Brent J. Craig]

The RED one had an over heating problem!! and I want to know WHY! :clown2:

In this thread, it was an under-heating problem, and if you don't know why you haven't read the thread.

Wow. 71 posts in your first day on the board, most of them adding nothing of value. "Tell me everything that has gone on since the start, I don't have time to read (or can't, or won't)". More tactful people have suggested you lurk and learn how this community works. I'm just putting you on ignore.
Others who wish to do the same can follow these steps:
1. Click the ignorable user's name in the left-hand pane
2. Click on "Add NAME to your Ignore list"
3. Click on Save List
4. Exhale deeply.

Good luck with your future interactions.

[Aiden K.]

I'm just putting you on ignore.

Well, in the end, it will be YOU who is missing out. Not me :)

[combatentropy]

The RED one had an over heating problem!! and I want to know WHY!

xaidenx,

When Jim Jannard said that his company improved the Red One's tolerance of heat by fixing some hardware problems but that he is "not going to say what," it caught my eye, too.

But Jim didn't have to make this camera. We don't have to buy it. Jim does not have to tell us everything his team does.

Maybe it would reveal one of the vendors he works with or some other competitive secret. Maybe it was an embarrassing mistake. Maybe it was a small mistake but hard to understand and likely to get blown out of proportion -- like it just has.

If you think Jim legally must tell you, that belief can be answered in black and white. On the other hand, if you think Jim keeping the details secret is a marketing mistake that could hurt sales, you're welcome to that opinion.

I too am curious -- mildly -- about what the issue was, but ultimately it's not my business. If you want to buy a camera and take it apart and try to learn everything you can about it, you can do that, too. But you need to respect Jim's right to keep some parts of this work to himself.

You're welcome to ask him to reconsider -- "Please, Jim, can't you tell us?" But I think if you devote more than one post to doing this, then you are pestering Jim and making it harder for the rest of us to discuss other facts.

For example, I told a very good joke that got lost in the middle of an argument between you and another poster. (Just kidding, that was not such a big deal.)

[BigLu]

That picture is so RAD.
I wanna work at RED.

[Michael Hastings]

Okay I'll fill you in on the big secret.

Mother board: DV1S^>59II got a replacement on chips:

456666788987wZ3

and

12345725186>y54

with traverse coded intervals

sdvy43j1h2h5i7yr7ads :G1

allowing it to interface better for:

the1jackassthatasks2manydumbquestions system

clear enough for you

Finner, this is the second time you've made me literally laugh out loud.

That's pretty good for a freakin" online forum.

Keep up the good work!



You don't even know how bad I wish I could be your friend. But the fact of the matter is...


The RED one had an over heating problem!! and I want to know WHY! :clown2:

some people never get the hint...

I believe there are still a few of the first 100 that haven't been sent in for upgrade yet - buy one, figure it out, and share it or keep it to yourself or whatever.

[Finner]

You don't even know how bad I wish I could be your friend. But the fact of the matter is...


The RED one had an over heating problem!! and I want to know WHY! :clown2:

I think it was because the camera was getting to hot.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Hello Jay. Nice to meet you as well.



Hmm. Interesting, where his this forum hosted, China? What's to stop someone who gets blocked or banned, from spoofing and ip address to re-register?



I've been myself since early this morning.

And if there are people here that don't like what I have to say or contribute, they can just ignore it, like I will do with the stuff I don't like. I think there are a couple people on here that understand me and can "handle me" and those are probably the same people that those of you who don't like me, you don't like them either. Anyway...

Have a great week yourself Jay, looking forward to chatting it up with you about some RED stuff!

Ok well.. You've been warned.. I'm just gonna sit back and watch this one.

Jay

[Bruce Allen]

I think it was because the camera was getting to hot.

BWAHAHAHA!

Finner, you're on form...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Michael Morlan]

Well, xaidenx (http://www.reduser.net/forum/member.php?u=7510), you may decide to "be you" all you want but you'll never be on my set (or, I suspect, the set of anyone else on the board for that matter) until you learn to acquire a team attitude.

So you go ahead and "be you"... alone... with your pride... in the dark...

And, thus, I exercise, for the very first time on any board ever, my privilege to IGNORE you.

So sad. You could have actually learned something here.

Michael

[Alexander Nikishin]

You guys really enjoy messing with people eh?

This thread has definitely seen its end of days.

[Axel Mertes]

Not really!

We all want to see those other movies from hot & cold REDs in test chambers, plus - more important to me - the actual results shot by those hot and cold cameras, live as they were in the chamber.

So Jim, Jarred, Sean, where are those promised movie uploads?

Looking forward to some stuff!

Cheers,
Axel


PS:
I guess a forum that does allow posting only a week or two AFTER signing in might be an interesting thing to think about? Gives people some time to read before writing. Not to argue in any way about the forum censorship, which took place here and there...

[Aiden K.]

Well, xaidenx (http://www.reduser.net/forum/member.php?u=7510), you may decide to "be you" all you want but you'll never be on myset (or, I suspect, the set of anyone else on the board for that matter) until you learn to acquire a team attitude.

So sad. You could have actually learned something here.

But, I've already learned so much in the first day.

And what makes you think I'd want to be on set with anyone? I'm a producer, I have no need to be on anyone else's set. I have friends who's sets I have been on and could go back on if I really chose to do so.

I appreciate the "cryptic" offer to be on your set, but I'll have to decline. I do hope you reconsider "ignoring" me though. YOU might learn something as well. :sad:

[Aiden K.]

I think it was because the camera was getting to hot.

You must shoot comedies...

[Bob England]

You must shoot comedies...

Comedies in 4K? That's a thought...

[albert rudnicki]

Ignore - it's not a bad idea after all

[Paul Leeming]

Sorry if I've missed it, but are winter strips still supposed to ship with current cameras or did the hot/cold modifications negate their necessity?

I didn't get any with my camera so I'm just wondering.

Cheers!

Paul

[Daniel Reichenbach]

We will shoot mid March a CARVER SNOWBOARD movie up in the SWISS mountains with several REDs and stuff. There will be a LOT OF SNOW flying around and deep cold. So, I need to find a solution, to protect the REDs from water, snow, ice and cold. Question: Is it possible, to cover a RED in a kind of bag? Will that be a problem for the vans/heat? I haven't get winter strips with the RED222, so I don't know exactly how that works. Do they cover the holes of the vans totaly or should there be still a bit space so that the air can circulate? Any suggestions from REDteam? Thanks.

[Jason Wingrove]

You beat an Arri 435 / 535B in the cold! (and pretty close in the heat too)

435
-20c to +50c (-4F -122F)

RED
-28c to +46.5c (-18F- 116F)

[Brent J. Craig]

You beat an Arri 435 / 535B in the cold! (and pretty close in the heat too)

435
-20c to +50c (-4F -122F)

For practical purposes a 435 is good down to at least -40C, especially the ones with IVS video taps (little heaters).

[Clint Johnson]

Remember that Jim stated that -28c was as cold as they could get the chamber so who knows how cold it needs to get before Red goes on strike?

I've worked down to about -50c and I know that I really prefer not to... so if the Red packs up and goes home at -28c... I'll be right there by the fire. I find +46.5c to be a LOT more comfortable than its evil doppelganger -46.5c.

[Dj Joofa]

Remember that Jim stated that -28c was as cold as they could get the chamber so who knows how cold it needs to get before Red goes on strike?

I've worked down to about -50c and I know that I really prefer not to... so if the Red packs up and goes home at -28c... I'll be right there by the fire. I find +46.5c to be a LOT more comfortable than its evil doppelganger -46.5c.

A higher temperature causes more internal fluctuations in the sensor noise, for e.g., more dark current flowing through the transistors, and unless calibration is dynamic (which is difficult) it may give a poorer image quality.

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Hehehe, doppelganger, didn' know that you borrowed this expression from us: Doppelgänger...

[Adrian T.]

I also got no winter strips. I asked my sales rep Randy about them and he told me that they're no longer necessary.

[Paul Leeming]

Cool, thanks for the info!

Paul

[Vigen Vartanov]

In my country it 105 f is normal temperature :) sow lets test in is 3 mounce :)

[deepeei]

Hi Jim,
Freezer not big or not cold enough? If you are interested we can do some real testing for you, in Greenland coming april. I have film production company in The Netherlands, and for our production will stay several days on the ice cap. There it is easily getting -35 degrees celcius. More info can be found here (http://www.projectinlandice.com/documentary.php)

If your interested just let me know, and will see how we can arrange things.

Brechtje Smidt - deepeei film productions

[Robert Guthrie]

Guess I'm not gonna be shooting outside in the summertime here in Phoenix, lol