Panavision PL mount same as PL mount??

[Jay A. Kelley]

Are they different?? Please let me know this A.S.A.P.

Jay

[Sanjin Jukic]

Please have a look as a first info at

PV mount>>>LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PV_mount)

[Jay A. Kelley]

I don't have time for an education here.. I need a yes or no..

Please

Jay

[chuck colburn]

While both are breech lock type mounts they differ in internal diameters and flange focale depths.
If you are asking the difference between a Panavision Mount and a Arriflex Positive Lock mount.

Meanwhile try to relax. If you aren't getting the answer you want fast enough try doing your own research.

Have a nice day.

[Sanjin Jukic]

OK also there is:

Panavision / Frazier Lens System- PL Mount

LINK>>> (http://www.panavision.com.au/RentalCataloguePages/35mmLenses5.htm)

[Jay A. Kelley]

While both are breech lock type mounts they differ in internal diameters and flange focale depths.

Meanwhile try to relax. If you aren't getting the answer you want fast enough try doing your own research.

Have a nice day.

Chuck give me a break here.. This was just sprung on me and I have 1 hour to make a decision

Jay

[chuck colburn]

I'm still not sure what you are asking.
Are you asking if the Panavision breech lock mount is the same as an Arriflex Positive Lock mount. If so then the answer is no.

[chuck colburn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lens_mounts

[Mitch Gross]

The mounts are different. The Panavision mount is commonly referred to as the PV mount to differentiate it from the PL mount. But sometimes you will see Panavsion PL written as both mounts are in fact "Positive Lock," which is where the initials come from.

Mitch Gross
Abel Cine Tech

[Sanjin Jukic]

Everything you would like to know about PANAVISION ask

(find your Panavision location, call, fax)>>>LINK>>> (http://www.panavision.com/contact_us.php?continent=1)

[Jay A. Kelley]

Ouch.. This hurts
Jay

[chuck colburn]

Really?

They are both (as is the Mitchell BNCR) breech lock type mounts but they are not the same size and therefore are not interchangeable. All that "PL" stands for is positive lock which I believe is an Arriflex trademarked term.

[Jay A. Kelley]

I am trying to get a lens that will work with my RED.. And from what I understand, this Panavision PL mount lens is NOT it, unless I get the mounts changed, which is fine if it costs less than $500 to do
Jay

Somehow I doubt it :(

[David Mullen ASC]

It's confusing to keep calling it a "Panavision PL mount" -- either it is a PV mount or it's a ARRI PL mount. So which is it? Is it an ARRI PL mount lens that Panavision happened to have owned? Or a PV mount lens? And since Panavision doesn't normally sell its equipment, how are you able to buy a Panavision lens?

[chuck colburn]

Jay,

Is it that Angenieux zoom on ebay? If so then an optical repair shoppe should be able to do it for that as they will probally have some "PL" mounts in stock.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Jay,

Is it that Angenieux zoom on ebay? If so then an optical repair shoppe should be able to do it for that as they will probally have some "PL" mounts in stock.


Chuck you got it.. That's the one! David and everyone are yelling at me telling me to call it the right thing, but as you can see I am only repeating what I am told.. I hate this

Jay

[chuck colburn]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Angenieux-Zoom-20-120mm-Panavision-35mm-PL-mount-Lens_W0QQitemZ140192057132QQihZ004QQcategoryZ4691Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jay,

Since this was done by Clairmont in Studio City it is PROBALLY an Arri PL mount as I don't really see a reason for them to have done a PV (Panavision) mount conversion for one of their rental lenses. It looks like a PL mount but it's hard to tell one from the other as they are close to the same diameter. The only thing that I find odd is that only two of the ears have pin slots in them. Most PL's had a slot in each ear. Mayby the seller is just using the wrong term.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Chuck you are giving me EXACTLY the help I needed.. I know you cannot be 100% sure, nevertheless I am SO GRATEFUL. Your logic is sound... I am thinking to stay with it. Especially since I cannot seem to get out.!! Leaving to get on a plane in the next three min!!

Jay

[Jay A. Kelley]

I got out of it.. Better safe than sorry.

Thanks guys
Jay

[David Mullen ASC]

Yes, I looked at the photo --was one of the more beat-up lenses I've seen in a long while. Also odd that it would have a "Clairmont Camera" engraving on the front lens hood ring. Seems more likely it would be some Arri mount, thought it may be old enough to predate an ARRI PL mount, but it seems unlikely to be a PV mount. But who knows with these privately-owned lenses... could have been a formely Clairmont-owned lens that the owner had a Panavision PV mount installed on it.

[chuck colburn]

Yes, I looked at the photo --was one of the more beat-up lenses I've seen in a long while. Also odd that it would have a "Clairmont Camera" engraving on the front lens hood ring. Seems more likely it would be some Arri mount, thought it may be old enough to predate an ARRI PL mount, but it seems unlikely to be a PV mount. But who knows with these privately-owned lenses... could have been a formely Clairmont-owned lens that the owner had a Panavision PV mount installed on it.

This is true David. When they first came out Jimmie Beaumonte and later he and I did some mount conversions to PV for private cameramen (Mario Tossi was one if I remember right) as it was the hottest zoom of the day.

[nzben]

looks like this info is past it's use-by date, but to clarify, and I think this is what you needed to know;

Panavision cameras have PV mounts, which will only fit PV lenses.

Arri, and other cameras including Red have a PL mount, which will only fit PL lenses.

A PV lens will NOT fit in a PL mount.
A PL lens will NOT fit in a PV mount

As a general rule, all lenses made by panavision (primos, etc) are PV.
All lenses NOT made by panavision (zeiss, cookes, etc) are PL.

To confuse things, it is possible to change the mount on a camera, or lens. If you are looking at a lens that is not made by panavision, odds are that it will be PL. In the case that it has been modified to PV, I would be very suprised if it couldn't be changed back.

[David Mullen ASC]

There are older lenses that show up for sale with older mounts like BNCR, Arri Bayonet, etc.

[nzben]

There are older lenses that show up for sale with older mounts like BNCR, Arri Bayonet, etc.

Thanks David. Yes sorry, I failed to mention that was a very simplified explanation only mentioning PV & PL mounts, in response to the original post which was asking if there is a difference between PV & PL.

The main difference between the two (as far as using them on a camera);

PL has a locating pin in the mount between "1 & 2 o'clock" (approx)

PV has a locating hole at "6 o'clock" (the locating pin is in the lens)