RedCine Windows

[JustMe]

Sorry guys RedCine is just to buggy on windows(XP 32 should be the most simple) with Graphics support as well as QTime being less then stellar, at this time, cross OS operation.
Qtime Sucks on a windows machine as of late.

Any Plans on how RED will fix the fact that a larger % of the world is Microsoft and that wont change for a great many years?

[M Most]

Sorry guys RedCine is just to buggy on windows(XP 32 should be the most simple) with Graphics support as well as QTime being less then stellar, at this time, cross OS operation.
Qtime Sucks on a windows machine as of late.

Any Plans on how RED will fix the fact that a larger % of the world is Microsoft and that wont change for a great many years?

Seems to me that a much larger percentage of the Red world is Apple and that won't change for a great many years. Seriously, Red is not a mass market consumer item. Its audience is not the general computer using population.

Although I agree that Redcine on Windows is very buggy.

[JustMe]

My workflow is 70% windows and replacing hardware just support Red camera would cost me more than just not using it. Red needs a better Windows workflow, and I’m not seeing the RED team try hard to make it happen.It
seems to me there has to be a better option

[JustMe]

I mean couldn’t red"cine" just have a few other options that were a bit more open to other companies?
It seems like RED is closing its original idea it started on.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Seems to me that a much larger percentage of the Red world is Apple and that won't change for a great many years. Seriously, Red is not a mass market consumer item. Its audience is not the general computer using population.

Although I agree that Redcine on Windows is very buggy.

With due respect, IMHO who uses what software, and how many is not relevant. The fact is that REDCine is designed for windows, and therefore should work effectively in such a plateform.

If memory serves, the "Father" software of REDCine is Scratch, and that is in fact, PC based.

I also believe that you will begin to see a large number of PC "Render" boxes and final editing done on FCP. Of course this is just a guess.

I will also be going to a PC, I am sure it will work just fine.. Simply a matter of working out the bugs.

Jay

If you review the thread on the construction of my system (Actually you have already been there!!) You will see Galexandar's calculations on cost per processor.. He makes a very good case for PC boxes

[Noah Kadner]

Seems like with $17.5K for the Red body and double that for a basic production package having both a $3,000 Mac and $2,000 PC box for as needed post work is a small drop in the bucket.

-Noah

[JustMe]

Seems like with $17.5K for the Red body and double that for a basic production package having both a $3,000 Mac and $2,000 PC box for as needed post work is a small drop in the bucket.

-Noah

Noa,
Just one of my AJA Windows boxs is more than a RED Hardware wise,
Not adding Software.
Im not going to add a MAC just for the sake of a MAC

[JustMe]

Im invested in a WINDOWS WORKFLOW, not a MAC one

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Seems to me that a much larger percentage of the Red world is Apple and that won't change for a great many years.

This is not very realistic, IMHO. And it's in the best interest for RED to make the camera\workflow compatible with all the major platforms.

My PC is too slow to run RedCine properly, so I don't have much feedback on that.

I second that QT sucks under Windows.

If Macs were priced equally or closely to PCs, they would clearly be the winner.

Currently I'm not sure that the difference in price is equal to the difference in quality.

[JustMe]

When are people going to stand up and say it :
"Jim, Sorry, the people you have in charge have made erroneous mistakes”
I Love Assimilate/Speedsix, but worse yet the APPLE only workflow from internal RED programmers (That can’t compete with other out there) SUCKS

[Lexicon]

Seems to me that a much larger percentage of the Red world is Apple and that won't change for a great many years. Seriously, Red is not a mass market consumer item. Its audience is not the general computer using population.

Although I agree that Redcine on Windows is very buggy.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that it is not a mass market item and it shouldn't really be considered such but the indie filmmakers who have taken to RED do not agree nor might Jannard likely agree since the mantra was to make it both technically awesome and affordable compared to other HD studio level cameras which means anyone who can score a loan is going to try to get one as we've seen here. It's certainly become the masturbatory fantasy toy of many filmmakers who would not likely be making anything but coffee and donut runs under normal circumstances and those looking to leap into the big leagues without putting in their time. Either way, it's definitely going to make a significant impact on the market once it reaches the point where it can be adopted by major productions as the choice tool for digital movie making.

As for REDCine, I don't know what the development team is really like based on the limited interaction I have had here but given the circumstances, they are doing a lot better than I would have expected otherwise. The one really really really really really really nice thing about the Apple MacPro and iMac platforms is that you are only developing for a limited range of base hardware configurations. There's no variety of hardware and software like you have on PCs which can lead to all sorts of interesting quirks in software development and deployment. Of course on the other hand, it is very frustrating that Apple does not really allow more advanced graphics hardware for their MacPro platform. If they would open it up, it would really boost their market share in visualization.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

OK, now I have to ask... Is REDCINE on Windows that much more buggy than on Mac? I haven't put it through its paces on Windows as much as I have done on OSX, but it seems they're pretty much the same. It's buggy on both platforms and you have to help it along and prepare yourself for the occasional hiccup. I'll give the new version a go on a Windows system tomorrow some time and see what's up.

[Luis de la Cerda]

What redcine for windows needs is avi support :) Even frameserving into AfterEffects or something like that would be very nice. Working with movs in a windows environment is tricky.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

OK, now I have to ask... Is REDCINE on Windows that much more buggy than on Mac? I haven't put it through its paces on Windows as much as I have done on OSX, but it seems they're pretty much the same. It's buggy on both platforms and you have to help it along and prepare yourself for the occasional hiccup. I'll give the new version a go on a Windows system tomorrow some time and see what's up.

Based on my discussions with you Jeff it would be my assessment that the windows version is actually less buggy than the OSX version. But *more buggy than REDAlert.

[Lucas Wilson]

When are people going to stand up and say it :
"Jim, Sorry, the people you have in charge have made erroneous mistakes”
I Love Assimilate/Speedsix, but worse yet the APPLE only workflow from internal RED programmers (That can’t compete with other out there) SUCKS

You should take a look at the Pull List thread, where there is a great discussion going on between several people relating to the REDCINE / Avid workflow.

While Apple has a great "captured" workflow for RED, it appears that Avid will actually have the Filmscribe XML export for REDCINE done pretty soon. That means there will be a very solid Windows workflow from editorial to REDCINE that will be manufacturer-supported. This will obviously work on OSX-based Avid products as well.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

[Lachlan Ward]

I do agree about the bugginess. When I try and out put on my PC I get a 33mb purple file that doesn't actually play its just a single frame broken into 4 1/4.
Has anyone else had this problem?

I think it maybe because I am trying to output to a DV file.
But thats all I want RedCine for, I just want to use it to output for dailies.
Is anyone else going to use RedCine to handle dailies?

Has anyone heard about DVD studio pro supporting R3D? If it could that would make life so, so simple.

Thats it I'm righting a very demanding letter to Apple!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

If you're just doing dailies, why can't you use the QT wrappers? You can drop them right into DVDSP or compressor and make them into whatever format you want (DV, DVD-compliant MPEG2, H.264, etc..). If you're outputting to DV, I can't imagine you need better quality than conversion from the 1K proxy wrapper.

[Stephen Gentle]

I also believe that you will begin to see a large number of PC "Render" boxes and final editing done on FCP. Of course this is just a guess.

Speaking of which, I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a Linux render-node version at least - so RED footage could be processed in a render farm...

[M Most]

If you're just doing dailies, why can't you use the QT wrappers? You can drop them right into DVDSP or compressor and make them into whatever format you want (DV, DVD-compliant MPEG2, H.264, etc..). If you're outputting to DV, I can't imagine you need better quality than conversion from the 1K proxy wrapper.

That's true. But you cannot currently do this on a PC because the QT codec is only available for the Mac.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

The fact that I'm eventually paying 25-30 k $ doesn't mean that I'm not motivated to save 1000-2000 $ if there's a chance. Money don't grow on trees, you know?

If a PC\REDCine\Adobe workflow is "good enough" I'm more inclined to stay there and focus on the creative part, than to bury myself in an endless Mac vs. ShMac vs. Pc hesitation.

[JustMe]

Based on my discussions with you Jeff it would be my assessment that the windows version is actually less buggy than the OSX version. But *more buggy than REDAlert.

That does not add to comfort level

[JustMe]

You should take a look at the Pull List thread, where there is a great discussion going on between several people relating to the REDCINE / Avid workflow.

While Apple has a great "captured" workflow for RED, it appears that Avid will actually have the Filmscribe XML export for REDCINE done pretty soon. That means there will be a very solid Windows workflow from editorial to REDCINE that will be manufacturer-supported. This will obviously work on OSX-based Avid products as well.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

Thanks Lucas I will expore this option

[Jeff Kilgroe]

That's true. But you cannot currently do this on a PC because the QT codec is only available for the Mac.

I know... :) The guy specifically asked about using R3D files with DVDSP though.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Like many other things on the program, it's still very new. I am quite confident we will see some great things with this software as time goes on.

I also agree that AVI support would be a good thing.. However I have been told my some that it's easy to change the wrapper from MOV to AVI. But I don't know a lot about this right now.

Bottom line: MAC has a GREAT editing software, and PC has more raw power, better selection, etc.

It's a matter of choice.

Jay