How about the new vision 3 stock

[redman]

:angry02:


http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/negative/v3_5219.jhtml

[Lachlan Ward]

Well its good that the new Kodak stocks out, but its only a small leap forward from V2. It doesn't really impact on Red One(Different markets really/slightly).
It looks like nice stuff.

What I don't understand is why Kodak didn't or hasn't thrown its R&D Boys (and girls) into making the Red One or some kind of uber sensor. They saw it all coming. Its odd that they didn't do something about it. surly it would have been in there best interests to be the main provider of the recording platform.

I wonder if they are making some kind of super sensor.

[Wes Printz]

What I don't understand is why Kodak didn't or hasn't thrown its R&D Boys (and girls) into making the Red One or some kind of uber sensor. They saw it all coming. Its odd that they didn't do something about it. surly it would have been in there best interests to be the main provider of the recording platform.

I wonder if they are making some kind of super sensor.

Don't be too surprised when Kodak hits the scene with something. My Kodak sources can only tell me something is in development somewhere. They are not sitting around just making film.

[Craig W. Bickerstaff]

what's so wrong with Kodak making film stock? It looked interesting enough to me.

[Häakon]

I've heard you still have to load it in the dark... :detective2:

[Sanjin Jukic]

I found on the Internet one "semi-pro" test about Kodak vision 3 done by Bart van Broekhoven (Dutch cinematographer).

Also the article has a "bad opinion" about RED camera and a digital acquisition in general (read more about it at the below link).

I am putting it in sort of "anti-RED-gossip" or "anti-RED-propaganda" that has fast spread over the Internet especially between

so called "DP professionals".

LINK>>> (http://www.pachacinema.com/portal1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=31)

[David Mullen ASC]

I find your constant jibes at professional people a bit tiring... So if a DP doesn't like the RED, he's a "so called" professional DP but if he likes the RED, he's a "real" professional DP???

What if he likes Zeiss but doesn't like Cooke? Likes Kodak but doesn't like Fuji? Likes Mole-Richardson but doesn't like LTM? Likes green but doesn't like blue? Likes blondes but doesn't like brunettes?

Either a person is a professional - i.e. makes their living at what they do -- or they aren't, and I suspect a lot of those "so called" professional DP's you are referring to actually make their living shooting, which makes them just-plain professionals, not "so called" unless you have proof otherwise.

[I Bloom]

I've heard you still have to load it in the dark... :detective2:
I think that's been fixed in the new build. I'll test it out and post something.

[Stephen Williams]

I found on the Internet one "semi-pro" test about Kodak vision 3 done by Bart van Broekhoven (Dutch cinematographer).

Also the article has a "bad opinion" about RED camera and a digital acquisition in general (read more about it at the below link).

I am putting it in sort of "anti-RED-gossip" or "anti-RED-propaganda" that has fast spread over the Internet especially between

so called "DP professionals".

LINK>>> (http://www.pachacinema.com/portal1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=31)

Hi,

I will be testing a handful of Red cameras over the next few months. I can't see any benefit to myself whatsoever in publishing my findings. I will however have the advantage of knowing how the Red one (new) cameras perform first hand.

Stephen

[Sanjin Jukic]

I find your constant jibes at professional people a bit tiring... So if a DP doesn't like the RED, he's a "so called" professional DP but if he likes the RED, he's a "real" professional DP???

What if he likes Zeiss but doesn't like Cooke? Likes Kodak but doesn't like Fuji? Likes Mole-Richardson but doesn't like LTM? Likes green but doesn't like blue? Likes blondes but doesn't like brunettes?

Either a person is a professional - i.e. makes their living at what they do -- or they aren't, and I suspect a lot of those "so called" professional DP's you are referring to actually make their living shooting, which makes them just-plain professionals, not "so called" unless you have proof otherwise.

David,

sorry but no any "attack" to DP/cinematographers on my posts.

What Bart van Broekhoven wrote about RED doesn't sound to me professional and I wrote it "so called" professional DP.

Here is a proof below:

Quote from Bart van Broekhoven:"In several tests a camera like the RED for example (which was discribed by a Dutch filmcamera-technician as: 'it has only one thing that works well, and that is the marketing behind it') is compared with 35 mm stock - both in quality as financially. The conlusion then is: digital is cheaper."

LINK>>> (http://www.pachacinema.com/portal1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=31)

[David Mullen ASC]

Looking at his website, I'd say that he's a professional, not a "so called" professional:
http://www.pachacinema.com/portal1/index.php

You can tear apart Bart's or someone else's opinions all you want with reasoned arguments, just don't first try to knock them down personally. Discrediting people who have different opinions is a nasty habit of some political leaders today, so don't behave like them.

Deal with the message, not the messenger.

"So called" suggests that they are misrepresenting themselves as being a professional.

And just because they are a professional cinematographer doesn't mean they aren't highly opinionated and idiosyncratic -- that's the nature of artistic types.

[Adrian T.]

1:0 for David. :shifty:

[redrum]

David, dude, we all know what determines whether someone's a "professional" or not. Professionals use Leica lenses. :P

[Adrian T.]

David, dude, we all know what determines whether someone's a "professional" or not. Professionals use Leica lenses. :P

LOL. And they have a grudge on Macgregor. :sarcasm:

[David Mullen ASC]

I just think that the RED skeptics in the professional world will need to be seduced over, and it's hard to do that by playing partisan politics.

You also have to factor that anyone heavily invested financially (and probably emotionally) in a certain format, whether Super-16, 35mm, DV, HD, etc. is going to be more reluctant to make a change. So you have to take their opinions with a grain of salt because they can't always be objective, not when they are looking for work with their personal equipment.

And judging from Bart's website, he seems to do such beautiful work in Super-16 I can see why he'd question any reason to change what he's doing.

[Graeme Nattress]

Every new tool and format brings it's own unique aesthetic, and yes, people will get emotionally attached to certain ones of them. Even as aspects of quality improve, people still like (and why not) the old ways or looks. That's fine too.

There will be people who like and enjoy the new and visually exciting look and workflow of RED footage, just as there are those who love how they've always done things. It's not a matter or right and wrong.

Graeme

[Sanjin Jukic]

I just think that the RED skeptics in the professional world will need to be seduced over, and it's hard to do that by playing partisan politics.

You also have to factor that anyone heavily invested financially (and probably emotionally) in a certain format, whether Super-16, 35mm, DV, HD, etc. is going to be more reluctant to make a change. So you have to take their opinions with a grain of salt because they can't always be objective, not when they are looking for work with their personal equipment.

And judging from Bart's website, he seems to do such beautiful work in Super-16 I can see why he'd question any reason to change what he's doing.

David

you just want to blur the things that go away in a nice "Media designed pattern" .

[Bruce Allen]

Sanjin, did your even-crazier twin hack your account? I think the stress of not having a Red in your hands yet is wearing you down ;)

All the best of 2008 for you - I agree David is 1:0 on this one but you'll just have to settle the score by making a great film with your Red and beloved Leicas.

Actually I rather liked Bart's test - he gave contrast ratios and a decent overview of exposure, etc (although of course the Achilles Heel of film is apparent - there are no HD stills because it's a scan-digitize suck-festival compared to digital...). Hopefully a few more people will do a tests like that with the Red?

Anyway, I think once he gets a Red in his hands he'll be pleasantly surprised.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Sanjin Jukic]

Thanks Bruce.

Agree.

Hopefully in a near future somebody would do a "professional" comparative test between RED and the latest film stocks.

Then we could draw a conclusion.