What happened to Red Ray?

[Wayne Morellini]

Where has it gone?

[Laco Zamba]

It's still here http://www.red.com/products/red-ray

[Wayne Morellini]

Everything changes.

[Graeme Nattress]

Still being actively worked upon. You'll hear more when we have more to say.

Graeme

[Michael Mayda]

Please tell us the new Red Ray includes real rays emanating from its built-in laser projector...

Mike

Hey, Happy New Year Graeme

[Stuart English]

Please tell us the new Red Ray includes real rays emanating from its built-in laser projector...

But of course, and in 3D too :-)

As Graeme says, formal news when we are ready to say something, but it's going to be an exciting year for beyond HD distribution with all of these new flat panel displays and projection systems ....

[Graeme Nattress]

Exciting indeed Stuart!

Graeme

[Stuart English]

All the best for the New Year mate ! BTW I came across this when I went back to Norfolk for my mum's birthday at Thanksgiving.

http://www.englishwhisky.co.uk/

Didn't have time to stop and tour unfortunately ..

[Steve Johnson]

If you guys need whiskey, then come to me. Being based in Scotland, I can get almost all the whiskies you could want.

#dreamlandofwhiskey

:))

[Steve Sherrick]

Stuart, when you are ready for beta testers let me know because I am involved with a very cool project that RED RAY and RED Projectors would be very appropriate.

[Stuart English]

For sure Steve

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Sign me up. I cannot discuss specifics publicly but I have some opportunities for 4K barnstorming and would love to try out the Red Ray.

Right now we are speccing out a solution that runs on fast PC hardware using Cineform and a DVS PCIe card that pushes out 4K over HDMI 1.4a.

Cheers - #19

[KETCH ROSSi]

We can't wait to see them in Action during the RED World Tour, our expectations are high, but some how I fill RED will not let us down on this one either... ;)

[Mark Toia]

RED RAY - RED projectors... Canon mounts... unicorns... red motes, chicken teeth, quad battery charges... rocking horse shit....

What do they all have in common.... :)

[Evan Starkey]

RED RAY - RED projectors... Canon mounts... unicorns... red motes, chicken teeth, quad battery charges... rocking horse shit....

What do they all have in common.... :)

Rare

[Yannick Verry]

For me, the biggest concern is the content.

Red Ray will be a fantastic solution to review r3d content and our own movies encoded in a Red format. But if it's just this, well... it will be a good tool for the Red community.

Needless to say the potential goes far beyond a few thousand of players for professionals... Red Ray should grow up here, but for its sake, its future doesn't belong to the red community. Same for the projector...

[Wayne Morellini]

Rumor mill turns, Apple TV sets are rumored to be announced at CES. If Apple is the target, no wonder they waited so long, to get redray on arm gpu, or other circuit, in a TV. You may see Mac computer releases after March or April before TV releases though. The gpu in the ivy bridge processors should nature up the game, as well as trinity on AMDs side, though they have already started with the existing apu gpu side. The notion dx9 was alright when dx10 was out, and dx10 was acceptable when dx11 was out, is obscene in practical terms simply because of increased general purpose computing usability. Maybe one day they might realise they can ditch the x86 altogether for a simpler processor mixed with a gp-gpu array.

[Wayne Morellini]

New thread:
www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?69926-Why-Red-Ray-is-important-to-us-in-the-content-industries&p=912794#post912794

[Stephen Gentle]

Rumor mill turns, Apple TV sets are rumored to be announced at CES.

Who is saying that? I don't think that Apple ever has, and I doubt they ever will announce anything at CES.

Apple might have an event around the same time, but I very much doubt they'll be at the show...

[Wayne Morellini]

www.macrumors.com. Nobody would expect Apple to say that. I should have said talked about, maybe shown behind closed doors. Actual release is expected latter as indicated. There is often so many rumors flowing around, because there are so many alternative plans that may or may not get the go ahead. Like the two different sets of display sizes. How do we know they are not just for two different product ranges.

The TVs are a consumer electronic product of the sort normally associated with CES, and Apple has distanced itself from Mac world and I think referenced CES at that time, as well as events latter in the year. So, why would it be so hard to believe about a TV set.

[Jeremy Torrie]

Stuart -we would be more than happy to be added to the beta testing of Red Ray Pro...there's a number of folks at Red I've been bugging about this particular product for some time...and now that we're a couple weeks away from picture lock stage and hoping to generate a 4K master on my feature film Path Of Souls we would love to be able to lead the workflow charge so filmmakers can follow a legit, comprehensive end to end 4K pipeline, which would of course include RRP and Red Projector to take to the masses.

[RayFrisby]

I really hope the Red Ray Pro has some form of built in Deck function with offload and conversion features, with dual Thunderbolt ports for Broadcast and Post Houses.
IMO it's not just about getting a 4K image on a TV or other screen it's about getting Red's codec accepted and integrated into current broadcast and post situations,
as well as providing conversion alternatives for web and run and gun broadcast situations.

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

I guess Red Ray is continuosly changing for the better, I wouldn´t be suprised if the specs are improved to full 4K 3D. For me to buy one I first need someone to make a sub 10$k 4K projector, so no rush.

[Stuart English]

As Graeme says, formal news when we are ready to say something, but it's going to be an exciting year for beyond HD distribution with all of these new flat panel displays and projection systems ....

Having just returned from CES, it's even more clear that 2012 will be the watershed for 4K presentation, we all can welcome that.

And BTW, an amazing amount of recognition for RED as THE driver of 4K content creation - even though we didn't have a booth ...

... so hats off to you all (and Ted of course) for that.

[L. Langer]

New Red company T-shirts are needed.

Buzzsaw logo on the front.

"We Make 4K Happen!" on the back.

[Marc Wielage]

..and now that we're a couple weeks away from picture lock stage and hoping to generate a 4K master on my feature film Path Of Souls we would love to be able to lead the workflow charge so filmmakers can follow a legit, comprehensive end to end 4K pipeline, which would of course include RRP and Red Projector to take to the masses.
Gee, I think there is a legitimate, comprehensive 4K pipeline available now, as long as you have the available time and money to use it. Many, many post houses around the world can handle this right now. I think it's more about time than it is money, just because of the sheer amount of data involved.

I see Red Ray as only facilitating one-off discs for dailies, film festivals, and similar venues. I think the theatrical industry is so wrapped up with DCPs, it would be very hard to pull them away from this specific encrypted JPEG2000 format. It took years and years just to get them to agree to one standard (which is really several standards in one). I think Red Ray could be useful, but I would be surprised to see it becoming widespread, unless Red licenses it to many other manufacturers. And the business seems to be getting away from physical media. It's a lot easier to plug in a hard drive and play back (or copy) a file, rather than a proprietary optical drive.

Anybody have some hard numbers on maximum data capacity of Red Ray? I'd be curious how the compression rate will compare to the other options out there.

[Craig Parkes]

Marc, by all accounts RED RAY is not about physical media anymore, it's about making a hardware decoder that can decode the RED RAY distribution codec, which reportedly gets high quality 4K playback down to around 20-30mb/s or less (that's megabits per second - so not that different from DV or XDCAM levels of playback speed would be required, which in high end broadband markets also means a rate that's not far off streaming. However in terms of compression rate that's pretty efficient for 4K resolution content!)

[Stuart English]

Gee, I think there is a legitimate, comprehensive 4K pipeline available now, as long as you have the available time and money to use it. Many, many post houses around the world can handle this right now. I think it's more about time than it is money, just because of the sheer amount of data involved.

I see Red Ray as only facilitating one-off discs for dailies, film festivals, and similar venues. I think the theatrical industry is so wrapped up with DCPs, it would be very hard to pull them away from this specific encrypted JPEG2000 format. It took years and years just to get them to agree to one standard (which is really several standards in one). I think Red Ray could be useful, but I would be surprised to see it becoming widespread, unless Red licenses it to many other manufacturers. And the business seems to be getting away from physical media. It's a lot easier to plug in a hard drive and play back (or copy) a file, rather than a proprietary optical drive.

Anybody have some hard numbers on maximum data capacity of Red Ray? I'd be curious how the compression rate will compare to the other options out there.



RED RAY data rate is about 1/10th a DCP / DCI delivery package - 20 Mb/s on average for a 4K 24 fps movie.

And we test encode quality by A/B v's DPX master files viewed on our 40 ft screen from a SXRD Sony projector.

[Roberto Lequeux]

(...) from a SXRD Sony projector.

And hopefully also beginning testing on a little something something that we also hope is coming along well. :)

[Stuart English]

And hopefully also beginning to testing on a little something that we also hope is coming along well. :)

But of course ...

... as Mark has already seen; and what's crazy is what he saw is the worst that combination will ever look :-)

[Wayne Morellini]

Well, no Apple stuffed turkies at the show by the looks of it.


Having just returned from CES, it's even more clear that 2012 will be the watershed for 4K presentation, we all can welcome that.

And BTW, an amazing amount of recognition for RED as THE driver of 4K content creation - even though we didn't have a booth ...

... so hats off to you all (and Ted of course) for that.

Well, that would require a fixed, laser projector, red ray or other product to be released ;)