RED lenses...

[Jannard]

Here is the scoop.

The 18-85mm RED zoom will be offered in either Imperial or Metric.

The 300mm will be offered in Metric in the future.

The RED Primes will be offered in both Imperial or Metric.

We are not sure about the 18-50mm and 50-150 zooms.

Jim

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

Great news, I will take delivery on the 300mm and the 18-50, 50-150 when they are ready no matter what scale (preferably metric - I will remark imperial to metric myself using good quality stickers)

I give credit to RED for listening to their costumers and responding, although it might complicate things for them beyond what we sometime can comprehend.

[Christian Berg]

hi jim! Any estimated shippingdate for the 18-85 zoom? Or the 50-150...
/christian

[I Bloom]

The RED Primes will be offered in both Imperial or Metric.


One real small clarification: I'm guessing it's not possible to have both Imperial AND Metric?

Ian

[LEON]

Here is the scoop.

The 18-85mm RED zoom will be offered in either Imperial or Metric.

The 300mm will be offered in Metric in the future.

The RED Primes will be offered in both Imperial or Metric.

We are not sure about the 18-50mm and 50-150 zooms.

Jim

You really know how to make people happy!
Bravo !

[Jannard]

One real small clarification: I'm guessing it's not possible to have both Imperial AND Metric?

Ian

There just isn't enough room to put both... I guess that's why no one does it in this industry. That mostly happens on autofocus still lenses.

Scales need to be big and easy to read...

Jim

[Cam Crowley]

Good One - I am very pleased to hear this news. Now let us never speak of it again because I found yesterdays reading extremely painful.

Thanks RED for listening

[Blue]

Here is the scoop.

The 18-85mm RED zoom will be offered in either Imperial or Metric.

The 300mm will be offered in Metric in the future.

The RED Primes will be offered in both Imperial or Metric.

We are not sure about the 18-50mm and 50-150 zooms.

Jim

Probably a good move mate, given the bullets you've taken on this one. I feel for you man. Cheers.

[Jarred Land]

heh heh heh.... You guys can't say we arn't listening.

[Jannard]

I now expect to be receiving orders from those that were complaining the most... I'm watching. :-)

Jim

[Rick Darge]

You Red guys are immortal

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

When I get my #476 I will mark the lenses (presumably the 300 and 18-50 at first) and I will carefully remark (in metric) and measure distances and make a photoshop document for printing Metric stickers - once that is done I will happily share the document for anyone who wants it. I will probably post it in the lens thread unless someone beats me to it...

Now all I need is that mail from RED to get Ready!

[Gunleik Groven]

You have my 18-85 order.

Any ETA for that lens?

Gunleik

[Oskari Sipola]

Please, be sure about the 18-50.

Be sure as soon as possible.

Here's one order you'll get, even if it costs a couple hundred more...

[I Bloom]

There just isn't enough room to put both... I guess that's why no one does it in this industry. That mostly happens on autofocus still lenses.

Scales need to be big and easy to read...

Jim

Some Arri primes I've used... but not a big deal. Good news overall.

Daniel if you are reading this thread I might order the metric just to piss you off.:tongue:

Ian

[Emmanuel Cambier]

I now expect to be receiving orders from those that were complaining the most... I'm watching. :-)

Jim

Gotcha

Thank you guys for your efforts… much apreciated.
But when can we order the 18-85mm?
My plan is still to get the 18-50 if it could be metric and then the 50-150.
Yours

Emmanuel

[Poi Boy]

Any news on when the 50/150 will ship ?
Aloha
-A

[SF Geek]

You said 18-85 Jim. I didn't bring it up. You guys even got a working model of it yet? I put down a res for that thing a loooong time ago.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Thanks Jim,

Even if your decision doesn't change the fact that my 2 zooms will be with imperial markings that are useless to me, once again your swift reaction to a situation proved your greatness. Your mother should be proud! :-)

[Shawn Nelson]

The 18-85 is still shipping? When is that happening?

[Nils J. Nesse]

But Sigma doesn't make a 18-85mm f2.8...? :blink:

:biggrin:

[Bing Bailey]

Jim,

You know never mind you guys are better than any other camera company. I've never see another company of any type as responsive as you guys are big or small. even when you've said you won't do something you're not afraid to rethink and change your mind and give people what they want within reason.

my wife says red is a cult and she maybe right :) but you are going to gain and keep a lot of customers who'll remain loyal through the years whatever comes next just because you treat your customers with respect

Bing

[MikeHedge]

18-85!!!!!!! it's back !!!! awesome!!!! question. why would anyone order the 18-50 now that the 18-85 will come out? are they both F2.8/T3.1?

Mikr

[albert rudnicki]

18-85 is certainly one lens I do wanna get.
Is it 2.8

[Nils J. Nesse]

http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/77

[David Wyatt]

There just isn't enough room to put both... I guess that's why no one does it in this industry. That mostly happens on autofocus still lenses.

Scales need to be big and easy to read...

Jim

I think Zeiss put both Imperial & Metric on some of their older lenses (SuperSpeeds??) - one was in red, the other in white if memory serves me.

David Wyatt.

[Steve Gal]

The Zeiss MK1 Superspeeds have Imperial & Metric at the same time.

[Sebastian Cramer]

There just isn't enough room to put both... I guess that's why no one does it in this industry. That mostly happens on autofocus still lenses.

Scales need to be big and easy to read...

Jim

Great news. I will mail Kelly to put my order back on.
Thanks,

Sebastian

[David Didato]

I now expect to be receiving orders from those that were complaining the most... I'm watching. :-)

Jim

I'm ordering without complaining, in fact with fervent support and adoration.

[Benjamin Rowland]

I also have a deposit down on the 18-85 from loooong ago. Status?

Edit: Just checked the website - Summer.

[David Didato]

Me too Rowland, and I asked RED yesterday if I can put the deposit towards a different lens like the 18-50, and they are fine with that. Not sure which way I'm going yet.

[Dan Blanchett]

question. why would anyone order the 18-50 now that the 18-85 will come out? are they both F2.8/T3.1?

I think most people, myself included, have chosen the 18-50 because it's the only option right now (at that price point) when many have, or are soon getting, their cameras. I would not expect the 18-85 to arrive until summer at the earliest, though I'd love to be wrong about this. It would be very helpful to have a revised ETA now before dropping $6500 on the shorter zoom.

If the primes were ready now, they'd be on my order list this month. You can only buy what's available... :sad:

[Cail Young]

The Zeiss MK1 Superspeeds have Imperial & Metric at the same time.

Yes, they seem to turn up on a lot of 202+P&S rental kits down here.

[Bob England]

Came across a Cooke Cine Varotal 25-250mm T3.9 MKII currently for sale on Ebay. Check out Item #270199664501.
The attached photo of it from the listing shows footage markings for M and FT.

[Charles Perkins]

great news.

if i order the 300mm prime now with a metric scale, how long(estimate) before it could be shipped?

[Stephen Williams]

Came across a Cooke Cine Varotal 25-250mm T3.9 MKII currently for sale on Ebay. Check out Item #270199664501.
The attached photo of it from the listing shows footage markings for M and FT.

Hi,

Cooke Zooms even from the 1970's have an expanded focus scale. One of the reasons they were so popular at the time. It's physically large so the focus ring is big, thats not the case of the lightweight Sigma / Red zoom.

Stephen

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Good news in the morning, thanks Jim. We all now: a good lens matters, a good lens costs a lot of money, until now. RED try to change that, great! I will have the 18-50 in hand in two/three days, then I will know, if it is usefully or not. For RED and their costumers the next – lets say six month – will be very crucially concerning the lens question. Should we go for RED Zooms and primes, should we go for Zeiss or Cooke? The Birger-way will be an alternative in some cases, but if you really like to work as a professional, let's say on a spot or feature, then this won't be the best way. So: I will observe the RED lens way for the next three, for month, then I will need a bunch of good lenses.
I think, today it is possible, to find a very good glass for your own lens, the crux is the mechanical part/breathing and that could be very tricky to find a solution in this price range. But we have learned from RED: everything is possible. Its time to democratize not only the cameras but also the rest of the market. What we need are Nikons, Canons with the behavior of a Cooke/Zeiss and a price level between both. That should be faisable if a company like RED can sell enough pieces. At the end of the whole story: What really counts are good stories, talented people behind the cameras, the picture? Good, if it don't breathe, if it is razor sharp, but it will never be the first thing that makes a picture/story better. Don't read me wrong: I WANT THE BEST EVER POSSIBLE Picture but I won't be able to pay a rolls royce price.

[Mitch Deoudes]

Sorry for the duplicate question from another thread... will the new lenses have witness marks for focus / t-stops?

[Stephen Williams]

Sorry for the duplicate question from another thread... will the new lenses have witness marks for focus / t-stops?

Hi,

Now that's a very good question!

Stephen

[Carlo Rho]

Thanks REDs for the effort, yesterday I was a bit scared by the Empire, this is the answer I want to read!

[Oskari Sipola]

God save the queen and her lens markings...

[Tim Lüdin]

For RED and their costumers the next – lets say six month – will be very crucially
concerning the lens question. Should we go for RED Zooms and primes, should we go for Zeiss or Cooke? The Birger-way will be an alternative in some cases, but if you really like to work as a professional, let's say on a spot or feature, then this won't be the best way. So: I will observe the RED lens way for the next three, for month, then I will need a bunch of good lenses.


That's exactly what I think Daniel. And hey thanks a lot for the metric scales. That's big time news for me. Without metric scaling, we europeans are f...d.

Thanks
Tim

[Daniel Reichenbach]

You're welcome :love:

[Simon Valderrama]

Ah!
Fantastic.

Jim, you should be proud.
In this days and age doesn't happen often to be really listened by a company...
Seems that this forum is the only place where an italian can feel the great taste of real democracy, really :biggrin:


Sure your venture will be a case study in age to come!

thanks

[Frank Mirbach]

Would love to see that lens earlier than summer ! Any chance ???

[Simon Valderrama]

I now expect to be receiving orders from those that were complaining the most... I'm watching. :-)
Jim

Well, as for me i'll be waiting for the final response about 18-50mm and 50-150 zooms (they're the ones i've already ordered).

If no metric will be available for those i'll get a RED 18-85mm and an used Cooke or get a RED 18-85mm and wait for RED primes!

Just hope definitive verdict about 18-50mm and 50-150 zooms and shipping date for 18-85mm and Primes will come soon!

thanks again

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Well, as for me i'll be waiting for the final response about 18-50mm and 50-150 zooms (they're the ones i've already ordered).

If no metric will be available for those i'll get a RED 18-85mm and an used Cooke or get a RED 18-85mm and wait for RED primes!

Just hope definitive verdict about 18-50mm and 50-150 zooms and shipping date for 18-85mm and Primes will come soon!

thanks again

Same here

Thank you again Jim

Emmanuel

[Brent@RED]

We heard your feedback and Jim made the call to move in that direction just yesterday. Just give us a little bit of time to get some details in place. As soon as we have more information, we'll post here....

Thanks, BC

[David Birdy]

Brent or Jarred,

Can you E-mail the Lemo part number for the "Male" 5 pin Lemo connector for the side of the REDONE camera for time code in & out.


Thank You
David Birdy

[Adrian T.]

Here is the scoop.

The 18-85mm RED zoom will be offered in either Imperial or Metric.

The 300mm will be offered in Metric in the future.

The RED Primes will be offered in both Imperial or Metric.

We are not sure about the 18-50mm and 50-150 zooms.

Jim

I knew it! RED ist just awesome!
Thank you, sir. We love you! :love:


I now expect to be receiving orders from those that were complaining the most... I'm watching. :-)

I never cancelled my orders - because I knew you would change your mind. :wink:

I really need the 18-50 mm right from the start. So in case you decide to make a metric scale for it in the future (please :innocent:), would you please consider offering an "upgrade" path? That would be awesome. I could live with some selfmade stickers up until then.

And as some other members have pointed out: witness marks would be the icing on the cake. Please! Pretty please! :biggrin:

[Emmanuel Cambier]

We heard your feedback and Jim made the call to move in that direction just yesterday. Just give us a little bit of time to get some details in place. As soon as we have more information, we'll post here....

Thanks, BC

That's a deal.

Emmanuel

[Greg M]

We heard your feedback and Jim made the call to move in that direction just yesterday. Just give us a little bit of time to get some details in place. As soon as we have more information, we'll post here....

Thanks, BC

amazing!

[Jannard]

You have to thank Jarred for pushing this decision over the top...

Jim

[Curran Giddens]

Jim is going to turn us all into a bunch of spoiled brats!

Anytime someone wants a new toy (feature), we just need to get a few of us here on the forum to start whining until we get what we want. :waaa:

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Thank you so much Jarred.:love:

Emmanuel

[Álex Montoya]

The 18-85 certainly interests me.

[Adrian T.]

You have to thank Jarred for pushing this decision over the top...

Jim

Thank you Jarred! You da man! :gun:

[filip kovcin]

hello there,

is it possible to make any type of INTERCHANGABLE or ADD-ON scale on the lens? i.e. lens already has certain scale on it, and you can put your preffered scale on it, in "press and cllick" manner?
of course, it's needed then to make i.e. small holes or similar things on the lens scale to put/fix/screw that added scale properly.

or you can just PULL out your imperial scale from your lens and change it for metric scale - in the same place (specially designed "ditch") - BUT it's needed then to re-shape lenses itself - which is probably too complicated/expensive...

i mean - fi you can add a TAPE with say, metric markers on it - wouldn't you preffer aready properly calibrated scale as add on?

what do you think?

filip

[Christian Edwards]

There just isn't enough room to put both... I guess that's why no one does it in this industry. That mostly happens on autofocus still lenses.

Scales need to be big and easy to read...

Jim
sorry if this sounds stupid but.... would it be possible to make a thin strip that when position at certain increments with the metric marking would align to meet the imperial standard?

[Christian Edwards]

hello there,

is it possible to make any type of INTERCHANGABLE or ADD-ON scale on the lens? i.e. lens already has certain scale on it, and you can put your preffered scale on it, in "press and cllick" manner?
of course, it's needed then to make i.e. small holes or similar things on the lens scale to put/fix/screw that added scale properly.

or you can just PULL out your imperial scale from your lens and change it for metric scale - in the same place (specially designed "ditch") - BUT it's needed then to re-shape lenses itself - which is probably too complicated/expensive...

i mean - fi you can add a TAPE with say, metric markers on it - wouldn't you preffer aready properly calibrated scale as add on?

what do you think?

filipsorry man just read your post ..same idea ,i guess with a bit of maths we could devise our own markers ,

[filip kovcin]

sorry man just read your post ..same idea ,i guess with a bit of maths we could devise our own markers ,

he, he.. :)

filip

[Simon Valderrama]

We heard your feedback and Jim made the call to move in that direction just yesterday. Just give us a little bit of time to get some details in place. As soon as we have more information, we'll post here....

Thanks, BC

Thanks Brent, Jarred, Jim, thanks everyone!

:biggrin:

btw, i promise i'll make noise and mess only when it's really worth it (like this time)! :innocent:

[Elvar Guðmundsson]

I bet most of you remember that the down payment deposit for the 18-85mm lens was $750 (10% of $7500) back in October of last year. That's how much I shelled out to get in line for the lens but now the deposit required is $997,50. Do I have to pay the extra $247,50 to stay in line?

I'm expecting RED #858. Do you think the camera will be delayed enough for the 18-85mm lens to be available by the time my number is up? Or do I have to change my lens reservation deposit to the 18-50mm?

[Stephen Williams]

I bet most of you remember that the down payment deposit for the 18-85mm lens was $750 (10% of $7500) back in October of last year. That's how much I shelled out to get in line for the lens but now the deposit required is $997,50. Do I have to pay the extra $247,50 to stay in line?

I'm expecting RED #858. Do you think the camera will be delayed enough for the 18-85mm lens to be available by the time my number is up? Or do I have to change my lens reservation deposit to the 18-50mm?

Hi,

The original deposit on the camera was $1000 & $750 for the 18-85mm lens for reservation holders. Only later orders required a 10% deposit.

Stephen

[Ivan G]

I bet most of you remember that the down payment deposit for the 18-85mm lens was $750 (10% of $7500) back in October of last year.

I knew I wasn't going crazy! I could of swore that lens wasn't 10k. I have also set a deposit since day 1. I don't think you have to pay the difference to keep your deposit safe. You're in already. Although, I'm hoping that our deposit locks us in at the original price (I believe was) $7500. Anyone....?:help:

[Alexander Christ]

I'm expecting RED #858. Do you think the camera will be delayed enough for the 18-85mm lens to be available by the time my number is up? Or do I have to change my lens reservation deposit to the 18-50mm?

I guess you receive your RED ONE in February or March and the 18-85mm is scheduled for summer 2008. So the 18-50mm is the way to go, AFAIK you can make the lens switch when your camera is ready to ship.

[Stephen Williams]

Hi,

By checking archives of the Red website the original price of the RED 18-85 was $9500.

If one goes back to 2000 www.red.com was Reynolds Engineering & Design!

Stephen

[Adrian T.]

I'm hoping that our deposit locks us in at the original price (I believe was) $7500. Anyone....?:help:

The original price was $9500. That's what it was when I made my reservation (#12 :innocent:)

[Ivan G]

So I guess I am losing it....:umm: Oh well, Im still in!

[Elvar Guðmundsson]

So am I. I'll most likely transfer my deposit to the 18-50mm and then get the 50-150mm later on. That sounds solid to me.

[sparkhope]

anyone know who makes RED's lenses? One LA rental house has mentioned Cooke as the probable manufacturer. Is that possible?

Anyone know one way or another?

[Cail Young]

anyone know who makes RED's lenses? One LA rental house has mentioned Cooke as the probable manufacturer. Is that possible?

Paraphrasing Ted: 'We have optics partners helping us produce our lenses'.

The 18-50 is marked MADE IN UK.

Conclude what you like. There certainly isn't a Cooke logo anywhere on the lens.

The more convincing argument I've heard is it's a rehoused Sigma.

[sparkhope]

Paraphrasing Ted: 'We have optics partners helping us produce our lenses'.

The 18-50 is marked MADE IN UK.

Conclude what you like. There certainly isn't a Cooke logo anywhere on the lens.

The more convincing argument I've heard is it's a rehoused Sigma.

Hmm... made in the UK? Cooke is a UK optics manufacturer while Sigma is Japanese. Maybe these are Cooke after all.

I suppose Cooke wouldn't want their logo anywhere on a lens that may undercut their market (since they have the planned REDSET for 100k).

thx for the info.:ohmy:

[Stephen Williams]

Hmm... made in the UK? Cooke is a UK optics manufacturer while Sigma is Japanese. Maybe these are Cooke after all.


Hi,

A Sigma lens rehoused in the UK! Hardly Cooke workmanship, but anything is possible. Having owned British cars I am not sure 'made in England' is a good sign.

Stephen

[Cail Young]

Having owned British cars I am not sure 'made in England' is a good sign.


These guys would agree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXn4slwNMH4

The argument for Sigma is that they produce a stills lens with nearly identical specifications - it may be their glass inside Cooke cine lens mechanics. All speculation here, of course.

[Stephen Williams]

These guys would agree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXn4slwNMH4

The argument for Sigma is that they produce a stills lens with nearly identical specifications - it may be their glass inside Cooke cine lens mechanics. All speculation here, of course.

Hi,

Just go to a photo store & see the Sigma, then you will be in no doubt.

Stephen

[Blue]

Hi,

A Sigma lens rehoused in the UK! Hardly Cooke workmanship, but anything is possible. Having owned British cars I am not sure 'made in England' is a good sign.

Stephen

I recently got the chance to drive a Caterham CSR260. Thats a British car which will easily out-accelerate, out-handle and provide way more fun than any other production car I know of. You should take one for a spin. They make a Ferrrari 360 feel pretty ordinary. If they get road compliance here I'm having one. Made in England can be a good thing.

[Poi Boy]

I recently got the chance to drive a Caterham CSR260. Thats a British car which will easily out-accelerate, out-handle and provide way more fun than any other production car I know of. You should take one for a spin. They make a Ferrrari 360 feel pretty ordinary. If they get road compliance here I'm having one. Made in England can be a good thing.

The CSR is nice but making a Ferrari feel ordinary...ahhh I think not.
-A

[Anders Brandt]

You have to thank Jarred for pushing this decision over the top...

Jim

Jarred, you are my hero! The efforts the Red Team are making are truly remarkable and unique! I'm considering to order a Red One any day now, and this really pushed me one step closer to a decision.

Way to Go, Man!

[Blue]

The CSR is nice but making a Ferrari feel ordinary...ahhh I think not.
-A

Hey dude I'm telling you. I drove both cars on the same track on the same day and ordinary is the right word. Sounds like you might have forked out for a Ferrari. I feel your pain.

[noclip]

So while we're on the topic of lenses, any word on when the prime set will be available?

[Blue]

We're not on the topic of lenses anymore. We've moved onto cars. Hello...

[Sven Seynaeve]

2nd the question about the delivery dates of the primes???

[Anders Brandt]

Sliding between the subjects, are we..?

[Chris Burket]

Another thing to consider other than image quality is how robust the lenses are. Cooke S4's can take an extreme ammount of punishment (being dropped from 5 ft., having sand blown on them, being slammed against walls, etc...) and they don't miss a beat. The focus marks even remain dead on. Even if a lense produces perfect images, it doesn't mean it could withstand the punishment some cine lenses see when being rented for long periods. Or if it can, it may require more frequent service. I don't know how the RED lenses stack up in this regard, but it is something to consider.

[Mark Thorpe]

just got word from an LA B movie studio that owns 5 REDS. One of the execs said he loves the Cameras but can't stand the lenses. He literally said something about "crap" and moved on. What's the deal. Are these lenses worth investing in. I currently have both zooms ordered but now I'm wondering if I should hold out. What's your take. Regarding the quality of the image produced by the RED lenses? Please, if you can, focus your response on the image produced and not on the argument of bang for the buck. I concede that RED's prices are ridiculously low for Cine lenses - that's really not the point. Any comments on perceived quality, focus, color, dof, et al. would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.Not disrespecting you or your source but you should really refrain from that kind of post. Either 'out' the source so we can get a real explanation of the situation or keep it between yourselves. Incitement of doubt is a killer for a fledgling company / product. I am not a fan boy, I don't post 'I Love You Jim' threads but I do respect what they are trying to do.

I would suggest looking at the whole gamut of imagery thus far submitted through the footage and stills threads and discuss these issues on the appropriate forum, especially now seeing as the latest cameras are of the latest spec. build 12 and all. Its then down to you to decide for yourself. Cinematography is all about getting the look YOU want not what everyone expects of you.

Someone else's rubbish is another mans gold.

Cheers,
mark.

Like I said, no disrespect.

[spyderman]

just got word from an LA B movie studio that owns 5 REDS. One of the execs said he loves the Cameras but can't stand the lenses. He literally said something about "crap" and moved on. What's the deal. Are these lenses worth investing in. I currently have both zooms ordered but now I'm wondering if I should hold out. What's your take. Regarding the quality of the image produced by the RED lenses? Please, if you can, focus your response on the image produced and not on the argument of bang for the buck. I concede that RED's prices are ridiculously low for Cine lenses - that's really not the point. Any comments on perceived quality, focus, color, dof, et al. would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

there are image quality tests out there comparing lenses. do your research. you should use your own eyes.

[Miodrag Popovic]

Great news, I will take delivery on the 300mm and the 18-50, 50-150 when they are ready no matter what scale (preferably metric - I will remark imperial to metric myself using good quality stickers)

I give credit to RED for listening to their costumers and responding, although it might complicate things for them beyond what we sometime can comprehend.

Does somebody think about replaceable focusing ring ? If it is possible to replace focusing ring out of laboratory you can easily switch between imperial and metric , and if you are RENT A RED company it can be helpful .
I need metric system and I am wondering what to do . Empty focus ring can be helpful if it is possible to replace.

Cheers

Pop

[Nova Invicta]

Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 EX DC HSM $ 449 so that means a $ 6,051 for the re-mounting and a profit

Sigma APO 50-150mm f2.8 EX DC HSM $679 so that means a $ 8,150 for re-mounting and a profit

But what you still have are optics of a $ 449 lens and a $ 679 lens

[donatello b]

"word from an LA B movie studio that owns 5 REDS. One of the execs said he loves the Cameras but can't stand the lenses."

guessing - if you take a Red 18-50 , century 17-35 , any cooke S4/zoom, Ang opto zooms, zeiss ultra/master primze or new zeiss zoom ....and just rate them by how they feel in a line - then look at price of the lens - i think the line would start with Red at 6500 , next would be the century at 15k then the other lens would fall in ......... i'm not sure there would be day/night difference between the images .. for many the extra 9-50k cost would be worth every $ .. for others it would not ...
also depending on how you look at the Red zoom ... if you look at it compared to a still lens - then it doesn't look like a good value ... if you look at it next to PL lens then it's a excellent value ...
the century 17-35 is a rehousing of a $900 still lens and they sell it for 15k.
and if we really want to look at the "profit, extra cost, mark up " ...
how much does that 57k lens really cost to make ?? and all company's need to make a profit to offer service & stay in business ...

or today 40-50% of the cost of those cine lens for us in the USA is because the US $$ has fallen 40-50% in the past 7 years ...at some point the $$ will swing back the other way ( looking at past history of the US$ )

[Nova Invicta]

I would expect a company to make a profit on the re-housing and the point Im really making is you get what you pay for. The independent tests of the 18-50mm suggest that this lens is sharp but has distortion at both 18mm and 50mm lenses in this price band also are subject to variable quality simplistically that is why Leica stills lenses are so expensive relative to other stills lenses because they have strict quality control and they are hand built. Sigma make a product to undercut the mainstream brands such as Canon or Nikon but as I always maintain in optics you do get what you pay for and if you want the best 4K image you need the best 4K lenses period.

[James Brundige]

Do you have a link or source for these tests?

[Andrew M.]

Here is the scoop.

The 18-85mm RED zoom will be offered in either Imperial or Metric.

Jim

Jim, when I will get my 18-85, any chance for update on this?

The last test Jarred made of this lens was excellent, though he promised to make even better test.

We didn't get any bone on lenses since long time:-)

[Pawel Achtel]

Jim, when I will get my 18-85, any chance for update on this?

The last test Jarred made of this lens was excellent, though he promised to make even better test.

We didn't get any bone on lenses since long time:-)

Yes, we did. It is right in the sticky schedule:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7464

[Andrew M.]

Thanks! Pawel, however nice second test of this lens would be appreciated.

[Pawel Achtel]

Thanks! Pawel, however nice second test of this lens would be appreciated.

I wouldn't object to even twenty second test of this lens :love:

[Andrew M.]

Just sweet spot best frame on some good chart showing lpp/mm one single frame at 4K of RED 18-85 Zoom will make my da^H^H my month.

[Jarred Land]

"next week"

heh heh heh.

[Andrew M.]

Great, Thanks!

[Michael Hastings]

Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 EX DC HSM $ 449 so that means a $ 6,051 for the re-mounting and a profit

Sigma APO 50-150mm f2.8 EX DC HSM $679 so that means a $ 8,150 for re-mounting and a profit

But what you still have are optics of a $ 449 lens and a $ 679 lens

True, but modern CAD/optics software plus economies of scale really minimize the difference in optics. The Arri people projected the RED 18-50 back in December at ARRI shop here in Ft. Lauderdale and were very impressed with the optics - and they are used to looking at high end zeiss, cooke, etc. all day long.

[Jorge Díaz-Amador]

I still don't think stills lens manufacturers can hold their manufacturing tolerances as tight as the cine manufacturers. If they did their reject rate would be way too high, and that would greatly raise the price of the product.

For example, to increase accuracy of manufacturing from .001 in to .0005 in usually increases manufacturing cost ten times (according to the examples I have heard). AFAIK, there is still no cheap way to produce aspherics, except for molding, which does not produce good enough surface quality for critical work.

Also stills lenses have to be designed to be light and compact. Now I think that there are very many excellent performing still camera prime lenses. But still zooms are just not designed to do the same job as a cine zoom. Just look at the huge difference in size.

Personally, I'm surprised that RED can offer those two zooms (18-50mm and 50-150mm) for such reasonable prices. Rehousing stills zoom is a big engineering challenge. Check the price of the Angenieux Optimo and see if you still think $6K for rehousing a stills zoom is too much. It's a bargain. I couldn't even get you one used Super Speed Mk.II for that amount of money.

Good glass ain't cheap. And the RED ONE requires good glass.

I'm looking forward with anticipation for the RED primes and the 18-85mm.

[Shawn Bannon]

I wish there was 10 times as much Official info and photos on all the RED lenses. Please more photos of the 50-150. And how soon will the primes and 18-85 be released? end of 2008?

[Shawn Booth]

How about "A" word? Please?

[Shawn R]

So is the 18-85 dead in the water? :ninja:

[Jarred Land]

hell no :)

[laguun]

hell no :)
will the RED 18-85 be showcased at IBC? :)

[Nathan Garofalos]

will the RED 18-85 be showcased at IBC? :)

I assume so, they had it on a cam at NAB this year.

[laguun]

I assume so, they had it on a cam at NAB this year.

If the 18-85 works as well as first reports indicate then we will buy them. And if there is a delivery time, well, in zoom lenses pretty much everyone is sold out. Many Angenieux 35mm lenses (which i usually bought) are sold out until late Q4/Q1 08/09 as well.

[Sven Seynaeve]

any release date for the primes please???

[laguun]

any release date for the primes please???

Here:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7464

If one orders red 18-85s at IBC, is there an ETA?

[RikiButland]

Will a 4 inch matte box cover all the red lenses, how large is the front element
of these lenses.
Do you have a size of the front rings for screw in filters

[Tony Lorentzen]

NO working cameras and NO lenses at IBC this year. Quite the disappointment... I would have been very disappointed if I didn't have my camera already :)