Don't get confused...

[Jannard]

Scarlet is not a substitute for the RED ONE. It will never have features close to the RED ONE. We will NOT take reservations for Scarlet. And please remember that the key word for Scarlet is "Pocket".

Jim

[Billy Summers]

I ain't trippin...

[Ken Willinger]

And please remember that the key word for Scarlet is "Pocket".

Jim

I thought the key word for all RED products was "fun"!

[Evin Grant]

So it's first come first serve? But Red One owners get first crack at her?

[Poi Boy]

Scarlet is not a substitute for the RED ONE. It will never have features close to the RED ONE. We will NOT take reservations for Scarlet. And please remember that the key word for Scarlet is "Pocket".

Jim

OK 4k point and shoot :)
-A

[Casey Green]

hmmm.

so can you give us any more clarification on the specs?

[number6]

Sounds like a good way to run a camera company

[J.D. Frey]

No reservations is probably a good way to keep down the squabbling...

[Kevin Wild]

Anyone thought that is may be just an "Iconix" type of camera that would never be a primary camera, but one that could be used in a variety of situational scenarios?

http://www.iconixvideo.com/

When they say "professional pocketcam," I've thought it was this for a while. People use these for all sorts of things (end of a pole for wildlife photography, helmet-cams, mounting in odd places, etc).

I'm not sure lots of people aren't barking up the wrong tree on this one. This makes an awful lot of sense to me...as the most revolutionary things they've made this far are less camera and more about sensor and codec. These would be very easy to port into a "pocket cam" for this type of filmmaking.

Thoughts? Sorry if I guessed it, Jim. :-)

Kevin

[Jaime Vallés]

This is absolutely fascinating! If by "pocket" he means "will actually fit in my (cargo) pants pocket", then I can't imagine what they have in store for us...

Can't wait for NAB!

[Paul Hazlett]

if thats the case then I revise my earlier wild goose chase to more of a wild
gopher chase and say 720p max res. multiple frame rates, but still card based and still with xlr inputs and a 3.5 inch screen.

I dont thnk you can dip any farther then that and still call it pro.

is it supposed to be a pro pocket cam or industrial?

[Paul Hazlett]

Scarlet is not a substitute for the RED ONE. It will never have features close to the RED ONE. We will NOT take reservations for Scarlet. And please remember that the key word for Scarlet is "Pocket".

Jim

No res implies to me an email saying "you have a chance to buy Scarlett
before the rest of the world since you have a red or a red res, but only for a short period of time. First money in gets the girl first amongst owners.

I do declare Miss Scarlett, your dance card is going to be filled mighty quick.

[Nathan Garofalos]

Jim,

Would you recommend this camera for a student filmmaker?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Matthew Verkler]

Has to be at least 1080P. We're not talkin' Sanyo here . . . . .

[redman]

I'm pretty sure they said they want to surpass the ex1 in price and performance. It's definitely gotta be 1080p and possibly variable frame rates. Also, does this mean no reservations at nab period.If so I'm guessing they will have plenty of cameras to go around from day 1.

[Nathan Garofalos]

I hope your right about them having plenty of cameras, and if it surpasses the EX1, in price, and performance, that would be the ideal for my needs right now.

[Zack Birlew]

Whew! Certainly puts my mind to rest a little bit as I was just sitting here with an oversized calculator trying to come up with a budget for all this camera stuff. Scarlet has a role, just depends on what it is exactly. Can't wait for NAB!

[Ethan Cooper]

This thing has to be some type of super tiny 1080p cam with manual control. I mean if you brand it as "pro" don't you need manual control... and audio inputs...
Can you cram all that into one of those tiny little hand held dealies?

[Priyesh P.]

why do they make such a big secret out of it when it won't be anything like the big camera? must be revolutionary in some other areas, i think.

[Lauri Kettunen]

And please remember that the key word for Scarlet is "Pocket".

Sounds good, especially if "professional" is a key word for "full manual control possible". Never found a fully satisfactory automatic system in any camera.

[Sanjin Jukic]

It could be a camera that your girlfriend easily use and cary it in a "pocket" of her bag.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/scarlett.jpg

Scarlett Johansson and her LV bag where she hides a brand new RED camera till NAB 2008.

[sander kamp]

I'm confused...

[Cail Young]

And please remember that the key word for Scarlet is "Pocket".

Jim

I believe there's some prior art in this field:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuCjE9G-3HU

[Ethan Cooper]

why do they make such a big secret out of it when it won't be anything like the big camera?

Becasue that's what they do.. call it their corporate culture.

And we may need to clear something up, Jim insists that it's a pocket camera, but his pockets are considerably deeper than most. If that logic holds true, it could easily be twice the size of the Red One. Just food for thought.

[REDHKSC]

Scarlet is not a substitute for the RED ONE. It will never have features close to the RED ONE. We will NOT take reservations for Scarlet. And please remember that the key word for Scarlet is "Pocket".

Jim

" Scarlet " I guess will be the Pocket RED camera to co-used the CF card based storge same as RED one to record up to 2K RED Code images as
a " Making of RED one " Digital Films Camera for all RED one Director in the shooting location.

We can do 2K to 1080p trailers of the REAL RED ONE images on the WEB more attractive, and don't forget our Computer Monitor size is up to 30" 1920 x 1080 is normal for any 20 -24 ".

I am a dreamer but I am not the only one on RED earth.

Stewart

[Álex Montoya]

Ok, don't ask me 'cause I will not answer questions. In fact I might as well disappear from the board after this, but I've gotten access to a Scarlet prototype and I wanted to return something to this community that has given so much to me.

So here it is. Click at your own risk.

SCARLET (http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8403/scarletprototypege2.jpg)

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

I dont know. There´s no Red logo, no carbon fiber design and the handcrank could be photoshopped in. Might be a scam....

[Sanjin Jukic]

Compare prices of the present pocket video cameras at

Pocket camcorder>>> (http://www.nextag.com/pocket-camcorder/search-html)

But RED Scarlet should be something more advanced and never seen before that cannot be compared with all of that CRAPCORDERS.

That is hidden in the Scarlett Johannson's LV bag.

She is gonna open her LV bag, take RED "Scarlet" camera out of it and premiere this BEAUTY for the first time to the world.

It could be sort of a big RED SCARLET(T)'s stage show at NAB 2008 in Las Vegas.

[Steven-Marc C.]

Could it be that Scarlet will need the Red One to work? Like these Iconix cameras (which are great, btw) that need some kind of recorder. That's what I seem to understand from Jim's post. It would explain why no reservations would be necessary: only Red One owners would be able to use it anyway.

[Priyesh P.]

Ok, don't ask me 'cause I will not answer questions. In fact I might as well disappear from the board after this, but I've gotten access to a Scarlet prototype and I wanted to return something to this community that has given so much to me.

So here it is. Click at your own risk.

SCARLET (http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8403/scarletprototypege2.jpg)

what is that crank for?

[planet e]

my current pocket cam is an HV20 or an HV10, so something in that size...so i am guessing that this does away with the interchangeable lens mount. as long as it intercuts beautifully with my RED ONEs and has manual controls, i will be thrilled.

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

This is absolutely fascinating! If by "pocket" he means "will actually fit in my (cargo) pants pocket", then .....

it would be a deep pocket cam.

[Petr Dvorak]

just sensor enclosed in a flatbox with lens mount and data output connector (gigaether/esata) just like SI-2K mini, but in Red style

[Friedrich Moser]

Anyone thought that is may be just an "Iconix" type of camera that would never be a primary camera, but one that could be used in a variety of situational scenarios?

I would absolutely love that! But I'd say anything that is 4k and small is just fine as well.

Cheers, Friedrich

[Kevin Wild]

I also think it's going to be an "Iconix" type of lens, sensor & cf card recorder. This will be the "professional pocket cam" they speak of that would be nice for the red skydivers (helmet cam) and many, many other types of specialty work.

I do not think they would make this so it needs the RED One to control or record...this wouldn't make sense. It wouldn't help in many cases where you need to stick a camera in a funny place.

I said this in another posting, but if you think about what RED has done that is MOST revolutionary, I think it's the sensor and the codec...the ability to put these HUGE images onto a very small disk. So, it would not be difficult for them to do this with some sort of Iconix like camera, I think.

I guessed it. Do I get my Red One free now as a prize? (I'm actually 2100ish...don't even know.)

Kevin

[dvpixl]

I think many people already guessed that. I guessed it. Everyone is in denial. But it's alright.

[brandon herman]

Those poor souls over at Iconix have no idea what's about to happen, do they?

A RED "helmetcam" would destroy them.

Sony and the others have been price gouging for years, so screw them.

But, those Iconix folks and their little camera that could....I almost feel bad for them.

---------------------

Actually, I think Scarlet will be a bit bigger, if only to accommodate a CF card slot and XLR audio inputs. But maybe one mini-XLR would be enough for many applications. And I'm cool with no attached viewing system....choose between an LCD or EVF for your needs, or run an HDMI cable to an HDTV. Basically I'm hoping for something halfway between an Iconix and a DVX in terms of size, but shooting 2k up to 60fps.

[Zack Birlew]

A DVX can't fit in your pocket though.:gun:

If it were some sort of Iconix-sized camera at an affordable price then the purchase is a no-brainer (ie. definite must buy).

[ChrisLyon]

what is that crank for?
Might be that the case was just a case they used to bind themselves to a space. You do remember the breadbox Mysterium test right?

[Bob England]

I remember reading that back when Kodak was trying to figure out what size would work for the Pocket Instamatic (remember those? I'm dating myself), they had employees carry around different-sized pieces of wood in their pocket (or purse) in order to determine what size and shape people would feel most comfortable carrying around. After all, there's nothing more useless than a pocket camera that gets left at home because it doesn't fit in any pocket.

[Matt Gottshalk]

Could it be that Scarlet will need the Red One to work? Like these Iconix cameras (which are great, btw) that need some kind of recorder. That's what I seem to understand from Jim's post. It would explain why no reservations would be necessary: only Red One owners would be able to use it anyway.

That would sucketh mightily....:ranting2:

[Dane Brehm]

By the time Scarlet would be hitting the market, 1080p will be status quo. Now as long as Scarlet has FCP compatability and a 25mbit data record rate I'll be happy! None of this proprietary edit platforms like Sony does with there HDD pocket HDV cams.

[Dale Launer]

I know you like to keep this stuff close to the vest and I understand why. But I wondering if I can get you to reveal one tiny fact...

...is it a video camera or a still camera?

[Craig Schober]

I know you like to keep this stuff close to the vest and I understand why. But I wondering if I can get you to reveal one tiny fact...

...is it a video camera or a still camera?

that's a little like asking if the red one is a still camera or a video camera. so long as you have a high res digital cinema/video stream, it can be used as both. so why would red make a pocket still camera when they can just as easily make a pocket hd video camera that can take stills too?

[noclip]

I have to wonder what Jim means by "features". Is S35 sensor size a feature? Obviously a pocket camera is not going to have an S35-sized sensor (almost certainly not even a 2/3" one). Is REDCODE a feature?

[noclip]

that's a little like asking if the red one is a still camera or a video camera. so long as you have a high res digital cinema/video stream, it can be used as both.

Yeah, but isn't that a bit like using a Ferrari to drive to the mailbox?

[Jannard]

I know you like to keep this stuff close to the vest and I understand why. But I wondering if I can get you to reveal one tiny fact...

...is it a video camera or a still camera?

I have stated it is a motion capture camera...

Jim

[Dale Launer]

...why would red make a pocket still camera when they can just as easily make a pocket hd video camera that can take stills too?

Huh? I'm not sure what you're saying. Yes, a HD camera that takes still isn't much more complicated than making a video camera that doesn't take stills.

But are you say a still camera is as easy to make as a video camera? It's not "just as easy". To process one frame at a time takes less computing power than it would to process 24fps. In fact, 24fps takes a computer that is 24x as fast. And there are other computational needs.

[Elijah Kelley]

Jim I have the utmost respect and highest regards for your business ethic. Don't know you personally so can't comment on the face to face. However your actions and comments on this board show you have true character. That being said, I don't want to hang on your every word but being as though Scarlet will not replace nor compete with Red One is it possible you have come up with a super high speed motion capture? say 300fps seeing as though you said motion capture I'm just hypothesizing. That would be a great feature and selling point. Just a guess.

[RayFrisby]

Looks like it going to be a SD-720-1080 RAW Camera with variable frame rates.
2k would be amazing but I don't see it happening.
Fixed lens with 20 x Zoom, changeable ??? Don't see it, but who knows ???
Will Prob record to Cards.
Hopefully Balanced XLR Audio 24bit
High Quality LCD.
MINI SDI-OUT Recording Option (not so sure)
MINI SDI-OUT Monitoring option (again not so sure but would be great)
If its not a changeable lense then it would have to have some form of ND's
Lastly some form of focus assist and auto focus.

If Scarlet is about 1/2 to 1/4 the size of the DVX then the above should be achievable and still in a pocket size.

Just my two cents !!!

[Anthony Gratl]

Looks like it going to be a SD-720-1080 RAW Camera with variable frame rates.
2k would be amazing but I don't see it happening.
Fixed lens with 20 x Zoom, changeable ??? Don't see it, but who knows ???
Will Prob record to Cards.
Hopefully Balanced XLR Audio 24bit
High Quality LCD.
MINI SDI-OUT Recording Option (not so sure)
MINI SDI-OUT Monitoring option (again not so sure but would be great)
If its not a changeable lense then it would have to have some form of ND's
Lastly some form of focus assist and auto focus.

If Scarlet is about 1/2 to 1/4 the size of the DVX then the above should be achievable and still in a pocket size.

Just my two cents !!!

I think people are taking the "pocket" part of the pocket cam a little too literally. If this camera is going to compete with the sub 5 grand market, it's got to a. be at least 1080p b. have interchangeable lens and c. have XLR and vfr. That's not fitting in your pocket.
Having said that, and knowing the standards these guys have set, and knowing that "someone" has purchased ReelStream, a company that offered 2k resolution for 3500 bucks, and knowing that Red has forced the industry to look at it's tradition of withholding technology and charging top dollar every step of the way, I'd wager that at the very least scarlet will have:
2k and 1080p capture, vfr's, xlr, interchangeable mounts, and cf storage capability.
It's got to have that, or it'll be under a thousand bucks. Not having those features though, doesn't fit with the Red philosophy.

Other possibilities: "talk" capability with RedOne, 1080p sdi output, and the usual tc jam sync, multiple cf card slots (or maybe the smaller cf cards that we have for cell phones)an instant indian buffet restaurant locator, handwarmers, hot water boiler that dispenses choice of tea or coffee, and last but certainly not least, a back massager.

This is my only speculation on this camera, I swear.

[Nathan Buxton]

who says scarlet will record sound? I picture a very compact 2k or even 4k camera which records very high speed to compact flash in redcode... which would be badass as all hell.

[Carl Larsen]

sound is half the picture.

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

On of those sentences where the opposite is *not* true.

;-)

Jochen

[GrafxLvr]

I think people are taking the "pocket" part of the pocket cam a little too literally.

While we're all guessing... I'm going to venture into left field: Red has partnered with Apple to create a Red iPhone (maybe the iRed)...

[Peter McCully]

JJ has stressed the "key" word for Scarlett is POCKET.

[Todd Anderson]

I guess it is just pocket pool until the cat is out of the bag...

[brandon herman]

Forgive my inexperience with it, but what would the point of an SDI out be?

One would only have access to that on an uber-professional set, and if that's your game, you're shooting with a Red One.

HDMI would be great for previewing; easy out to a $400 consumer HDTV or slap a DVI adapter on there and go to a $250 Dell monitor.

And you don't need it in the editing suite, since you'll be taking REDCODE right off of the CF card.

So I really can't see why they would dedicate space on the body for something like that.

I may be missing something obvious; please let me know.

Thanks.

[Zack Birlew]

You know, if it did use C-mount lenses for interchangeable lens options, it wouldn't be too bad for converters. Looking at B&H Photo right now, a Nikon to C-mount adapter is only $30.

I'm excited about this, Scarlet could be anything!

[Jannard]

And anything (something) it shall be...

Jim

[Nathan Garofalos]

So It Will Have Interchangeable Lenses?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

[Nathan Garofalos]

And anything (something) it shall be...

Jim

When you say, and anything (something) it shall be... could that mean that we have the choice to specify if we want PL mount, arri, nikon mount, or what?!?!?!?!?! Honestly Mr. Jannard, I can't wait tell NAB. I think it will be fun. How can I get a RED ONE Tshirt to wear there, is this possible, or do I have to make something myself. Is it okay if I do that? Maybe just a plain red tshirt with a 1 in the middle would be kinda cool too.

[Brook Willard]

I'm excited about this, Scarlet could be anything!


And anything (something) it shall be...

Jim

Makes more sense in order.

[Jannard]

When you say, and anything (something) it shall be... could that mean that we have the choice to specify if we want PL mount, arri, nikon mount, or what?!?!?!?!?! Honestly Mr. Jannard, I can't wait tell NAB. I think it will be fun. How can I get a RED ONE Tshirt to wear there, is this possible, or do I have to make something myself. Is it okay if I do that? Maybe just a plain red tshirt with a 1 in the middle would be kinda cool too.

Call Kelly.

Jim

[Nathan Garofalos]

Okay thanks. Should I use the same number under contact us at reds home page to call Kelly?

[Jannard]

949-206-7910

Jim

[Nathan Garofalos]

Thank you!!!

[Rob Terry]

This must be the "Live with Jim Hour"!

I have the fever....

Thanks for that!

[Christian Edwards]

jim can we order shirts from overseas ? im sure you would sell a lot if they were available on the red store

[Jannard]

We'll make T-shirts available tomorrow...

Jim

[Nathan Garofalos]

YES!!!!!!!!! I AM EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to wear it at NAB.

[Jason Ing]

Red T-shirt! I'm in!

Uh... but what's the t-shirt delivery schedule?

j/k! :tongue:

[Kelly]

Okay thanks. Should I use the same number under contact us at reds home page to call Kelly?

We will get you your T-shirt soon! Thanks for calling :-)

[Nathan Garofalos]

We will get you your T-shirt soon! Thanks for calling :-)

Thank you!!! Seriously, RED TEAM you have great costumer service. After ordering my T-shirt, then coming online to do a follow up with my order, its professionally done and greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[Aiden Cornwell]

This makes me happy as it sounds like this will be a great little camera for doing praticle vfx shots which is all I really need it for. Plus then I can say I own a RED.

Also pumped about getting a shirt

[Learvis Templeton jr.]

We'll make T-shirts available tomorrow...

Jim

Do we get a discount for ordering 30+ T-Shirts? Had to ask need that many for marketing!:innocent:

[Christian Edwards]

Do we get a discount for ordering 30+ T-Shirts? Had to ask need that many for marketing!:innocent:

i don't think you'll need to worry about marketing Red ...it already markets itself.just look.... you are already buying 30 t shirts

[dillont]

I have stated it is a motion capture camera...

Jim


:ohmy: OMG!!!1!1!one! :usd:


Was gonna type a long ass paragraph with glee, but realized y'all said it already.

Thank you Jim! I simply can't wait for NAB!

Dillon

[brandon herman]

yay! t-shirts!

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Hey wait a second wasn't tommorow yesterday?

[Learvis Templeton jr.]

i don't think you'll need to worry about marketing Red ...it already markets itself.just look.... you are already buying 30 t shirts

I know but if you think about it that's 3 CF cards! I just need then for a few of my female friends to wear at business expos this spring and fall, remember I live it Kansas :blink: unless it aircraft industry related they don't know they need to be shown. With those shirts that'll get them to the booth!

[GrafxLvr]

With those shirts that'll get them to the booth!

Or you could try traditional marketing and sponsor an ad in the expo-book...

[Learvis Templeton jr.]

Or you could try traditional marketing and sponsor an ad in the expo-book...

Thanks for looking out GrafxLvr! I've already planned on doing both! I don't have a big Red Tent so it's the next best thing. Plus once they see a Learjet (Not Jim's) and BigDog Motorcycles in 4k I'm sure I'll get inquiries.

[Jason Sinclair]

I think it should be more like the original red was going before everyone put in all their requests.

4k
Some kind of wire or wireless timecode out to seperate audio devise.
off board storage to CF or small form hard drive. (or cf onboard)
Perfectly balanced with centre of gravity in the centre.
modular
Canon mounts similar to birger with remote.
Off board lcd, monitor or lcd sunglasses.

[nick allsop]

I would like to see the camera part to be about the size of the Iconix. it would be modular and do 4k with C mount lenses, the battery and compact flash could be in a handle, and there would be a small LCD. these could be attached together to make one unit about the size of a small dv camera or attached by cables for action shots. oh and the small lcd would be compatable with the Red LCD.
I'll have to wait till NAB to see if it is anything like this though.

[Jason Francois]

It's too bad it's been designed (assumption). It would be fun to have some sort of contest, since there are a good number of talented designers around here.

I know RED has there own great team, but it would be fun.

My version would just be an ergonimic lump of clay that you could mold to every situation and strap a lens on. :)

[johnkersten]

Even if Scarlet did produce great images and was the size of a handycam I still wouldn't buy it, cameras that small are just too difficult to handle.

The company has the most to CONTRIBUTE by aiming at the $2-5k market since the consumer doesn't really give a crap about image quality when it comes down to it, and they already trust the names like Sony, JVC, etc.
Scarlet pretty much has got to be some sort of HVX200 killer, right?

[Jeff Coatney]

You can take the Jim out of Oakley, but you can't take the Oakley out of Jim. I got a feeling this Scarlet is gonna find herself strapped to every Skateboard, Wakeboard, Snowboard, Surfboard, Running Board, Parole Board and Skydiving helmet in California. Can't wait to see the "little" Lady.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Skydiving helmet in California. Can't wait to see the "little" Lady.

Brook is all over that one

[Brook Willard]

This will be the "professional pocket cam" they speak of that would be nice for the red skydivers (helmet cam) and many, many other types of specialty work.

Heheh, trust me, I thought of that long before Scarlet was ever announced. My skydiving helmet has had a RED sticker on it forever...