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Jarred Land
04-16-2012, 12:44 AM
Come see it working in our booth... Pre-Order Tomorrow. Ships July 1st. $3750

http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1334590461.jpg

Erich Ocean
04-16-2012, 12:45 AM
Does this require the module adaptor/spacer thingy that's used with the quad battery module?

Ketch Rossi
04-16-2012, 12:45 AM
Ordered... Well as good as... ;)

Shawn Bannon
04-16-2012, 12:46 AM
Wow, you guys are announcing a lot of stuff. Cool!

Kevin Marshall
04-16-2012, 12:46 AM
Interesting choice with the EVF/LCD port being on top. Wouldn't've thought of that

Pawel Achtel
04-16-2012, 12:46 AM
Ready to order!

Yannick Sadler
04-16-2012, 12:47 AM
Two questions:

1. How many amps on the PWR connector?
2. Weight of the module?

Tehben Dean
04-16-2012, 12:48 AM
Can we see the other side? Evf/LCD ports on top.....?

Yannick Sadler
04-16-2012, 12:49 AM
Can this module be put along the Meizler module?

Robert Berger
04-16-2012, 12:50 AM
Come see it working in our booth... Pre-Order Tomorrow. Ships July 1st. $3750

http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1334590461.jpg

Good news,i see 3,4 audio in, what's on the other side 1 and 2 and more????, so us the other side and some more info.....please!

Lawrence Daufenbach
04-16-2012, 12:51 AM
Very excited to order a few of these. Great party tonight guys.

Will Keir
04-16-2012, 12:51 AM
+1
...

2. Weight of the module?

Greg M
04-16-2012, 12:56 AM
will it also have an additional EVF/LCD port?
D-Tap?

Cüneyt Kaya
04-16-2012, 12:57 AM
the additinoal evf port is on TOP of the module. hope there will be cheeseplates for this module

Mike Halper
04-16-2012, 01:03 AM
I thought the initial price was supposed to be $2950 until out of backorder?

Dave Blackham
04-16-2012, 01:14 AM
Can the AES IO cope with Ch 1/2 and 3/4 ?

Adrian T.
04-16-2012, 02:15 AM
OOBO = WHEN OUT OF BACK ORDER
Current: Pro Battery Module (Dual) is $1250. OOBO 1: $1450

We never had a chance to order it for the original price!

Hans Magnus Kvåle
04-16-2012, 02:16 AM
Looking forward to order one, and man I'm exited to see if this one will fit in our Custom cut Pelicane Case :-)

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?60598-HMKFILMS-AS-Norway&p=967566&viewfull=1#post967566

Jannard
04-16-2012, 02:18 AM
Price was changed several months ago...

Jim


I thought the initial price was supposed to be $2950 until out of backorder?

Mike Halper
04-16-2012, 02:20 AM
Yes, but the last pricing update said these new modules would be sold at the original announced price when finally available and until out of backorder.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?69610-2012-Price-Adjustment-reminder-(-and-some-extensions-)

Are those official prices just for the announcement, but we'll be able to pre-order at the original prices?

Adrian T.
04-16-2012, 02:24 AM
Price was changed several months ago...

Jim

Ye, but we could never place an order for the original price!
And Jarred promised that there would be no price increase until the item is out of backorder...

Mike Halper
04-16-2012, 02:26 AM
I'm sure they'll take care of us.

Joe Pontecorvo
04-16-2012, 02:27 AM
Carp! You have to be on-line very minute or you miss something big. The site is down for maintenance :(

Adrian T.
04-16-2012, 02:28 AM
I'm sure they'll take care of us.

I hope so. ;-)

Jarred Land
04-16-2012, 02:28 AM
Ye, but we could never place an order for the original price!
And Jarred promised that there would be no price increase until the item is out of backorder...

PRO-IO was never in Backorder... you could never pre-order and get into backorder (until tomorrow).

Joe Pontecorvo
04-16-2012, 02:30 AM
OK, waiting for RED 3.0 :)

Pawel Achtel
04-16-2012, 03:30 AM
PRO-IO was never in Backorder... you could never pre-order and get into backorder (until tomorrow).

Jarred, I think he is referring to the following post. Can you please clarify?


Hey everyone, just a reminder come Jan 1st price adjustments come into play , so tomorrow is your last day to get your pre-orders in at current pricing for Brains and Brain packages.

Some good news though.... since a lot of accessories are still in backorder and/or development, we have decided to extend out the price increases on all the individual accessories that were to increase on January 1st out until March 1st.

SCARLET-X (Brain only) Jan 1: $9700

Current: SCARLET-X with Side SSD / Ti PL Mount is $11,250. Jan 1: $13,200.

Current: SCARLET-X with Side SSD / Ti Canon Mount is $11,250. Jan 1: $13,200.

Current: SCARLET-X with Side SSD / Al Canon Mount is $9750. Jan 1: $11,700.

Current: SCARLET-X with Side SSD / Ti PL Mount package is $15,515. Jan 1: $17,465.

Current: SCARLET-X with Side SSD / Ti Canon Mount package is $15,515. Jan 1: $17,465.

Current: SCARLET-X with Side SSD / Al Canon Mount package is $14,015. Jan 1: Move to $15,965.

Current: EPIC-X (Brain only) is $27,500. Jan 1: Move to $34,500

Current: EPIC-X with Side SSD / Ti PL Mount is $31,000. Jan 1: $38,000

Accessories :

OOBO = WHEN OUT OF BACK ORDER

Current: DSMC Side Handle is $950. OOBO 1: $1200

Current: RED Touch LCD 5" is $1600. OOBO 1: $1950

Current: REDmote is $550. OOBO 1: $750

Current: Pro I/O Module is $2950. OOBO 1: $3750

Current: Pro Battery Module (Dual) is $1250. OOBO 1: $1450

Joe Pontecorvo
04-16-2012, 03:30 AM
Is the Pro IO in the store for pre-order yet?

Jeff Whitehurst
04-16-2012, 03:40 AM
Is the Pro IO in the store for pre-order yet?

The new store site is up, but none of the newly announced products are there yet...

Daniel Bolton
04-16-2012, 04:27 AM
S*** If only I waited before getting my brand new Red One, I am such a moron. Then again I was warned... "Everything in life changes, including camera specs and delivery dates. Count on it.”

Martin Weiss
04-16-2012, 05:15 AM
Daniel,

You still own one of the best digital film cameras.

Mike Halper
04-16-2012, 05:40 AM
Do we still need either of the Module Adapters (original or the new +1) to use the Pro I/O Module? And if so, and we use the +1 Module Adapter, will that give us the ability to use 3 LCD/EVFs? Thinking possibility of Bomb EVF, Touch 5.0", and 9". Just curious about the possibilities. And if only 2 of the 3 LCD/EVF ports will work at the same time, will one of the ports automatically be non-functional?

Kwan Khan
04-16-2012, 07:59 AM
Hey jarred;
Thanks for an incredible updates…

First of all it's very important for me to clarify to those people who think this is negative question. NO (lol)
I'm just slightly confused here, so please let's stay in positive attitude it will be easier for me to understand.
Thanks

Okay, Let's Try And Get Back on Track,

I have my eye on the Pro I/O Module updates from the day one and now I'm a day away to pre-order PRO I/O.
Since the price increase was on march 1st, I was expecting Pro I/O to show up maybe around february because I definitely wanted to order before the price increase. I was checkin Any update for Pro I/O Module frequently Since we can't put a deposit yet on it - ?


on 12/31/2011

Hey everyone, just a reminder come Jan 1st price adjustments come into play , so tomorrow is your last day to get your pre-orders in at current pricing for Brains and Brain packages.
Current: Pro I/O Module is $2950. OOBO 1: $3750

Current: Pro Battery Module (Dual) is $1250. OOBO 1: $1450
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?69610-2012-Price-Adjustment-reminder-(-and-some-extensions-)


On 02/29/2012 It was stated;

Correct, Gavin. Since it seems like most units where a price increase would affect them are still on backorder, they will not go up in price tomorrow.

BC


updated. Nothing going up in price tomorrow ;)
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?69610-2012-Price-Adjustment-reminder-(-and-some-extensions-)/page17


On 03/01/2011

Harry, Jarred did post on this elsewhere (http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?68849-Stage-4-Reservations-are-now-Open&p=897788#post897788)....

BC

And he pointed to following link;

We won't raise prices on the other bits until you get a chance to reserve and lock in your pricing... You will get at least a 2 week head start beforehand.. Even if it means pushing the price increase date for those products out a bit.

After all.. it is not your fault we are late, right? Seems pretty fair to me.
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?68849-Stage-4-Reservations-are-now-Open&p=897788


On 02/25/2012 Me, Matt and Martin request same question;

So.....if the Pro I/O will be out around the last week of May,
may I inquire as to when we can order it? Or is there no more pre-ordering
anymore?
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?73342-The-Mother-of-all-Backorder-Updates/page9

You replied;

no pre-order.. it will hit the store when it is in stock.


Now Jannard just posted today;

Price was changed several months ago...

Jim

As adrian posted

Ye, but we could never place an order for the original price!
And Jarred promised that there would be no price increase until the item is out of backorder...

Generally speaking, I'm terribly confused and well mixed. Making me feel like that I'm not paying attention.
Please clarify values and let me know What am I paying for in the price of following;

Pro I/O Module is $2950 or $3750
Pro Battery Module (Dual) is $1250 or $1450

Thanks

Jannard
04-16-2012, 08:23 AM
Pro I/O Module is $3750
Pro Battery Module (Dual) is $1450

Jim

Tim Whitcomb
04-16-2012, 08:41 AM
Thanks Jim still an amazing value IMHO

Was good to hear you speak and -thanks for an awesome party

Heading to booth now guys and I'll post pics of module goodies
Including other side :)

Kwan Khan
04-16-2012, 08:42 AM
Pro I/O Module is $3750
Pro Battery Module (Dual) is $1450

Jim


Just Ordered...

Häakon
04-16-2012, 08:55 AM
Do we still need either of the Module Adapters (original or the new +1) to use the Pro I/O Module? And if so, and we use the +1 Module Adapter, will that give us the ability to use 3 LCD/EVFs? Thinking possibility of Bomb EVF, Touch 5.0", and 9". Just curious about the possibilities. And if only 2 of the 3 LCD/EVF ports will work at the same time, will one of the ports automatically be non-functional?
We'll know as soon as we get to the booth today and see it in person, but my guess is that yes, it will require a module adapter. Among other things, the module adapter relieves stress on the contact points on the brain from the extra weight of the modules and it's necessary if you're using any modules. The one exception to this is the Meizer module, but Jarred stated that you can't use any other modules if you choose to use that one... it's meant to stand alone. The new +1 module adds a lot of flexibility to that "dummy" spacer though, with the bonus viewing port (hence "+1") and the aux power tap. You can only use one of the ports right now, so I would assume "+1" means you can now use two, not three. But I know as much as you do, and things are always subject to change. :)

Brook Willard
04-16-2012, 08:57 AM
The IO module requires the module adapter. I hope it works in conjunction with the new output module adapter! :)

Ketch Rossi
04-16-2012, 10:42 AM
PRE-ORDERED... ;)

Jeffrey T. Morgan
04-16-2012, 10:53 AM
I would LOVE some info on the audio handling of the Pro IO module. Preamps? How good?

Kwan Khan
04-16-2012, 11:03 AM
Just Ordered

FredrikL
04-16-2012, 11:04 AM
Are there two XLR - inputs on the PRO IO - not four? What are the possibilities for recording 4 channels of sound like we did on the REDONE? I thought for sure I had read it would be 4 sound - inputs - like on the REDONE...

Andrae Palmer
04-16-2012, 11:07 AM
Are there two XLR - inputs on the PRO IO - not four? What are the possibilities for recording 4 channels of sound like we did on the REDONE?

Use the two channels on the EPIC.

FredrikL
04-16-2012, 11:10 AM
Thanks Andrea,

Are the two jack - inputs on the EPIC phantom - powered?

RikiButland
04-16-2012, 11:52 AM
2 ordered :)

Mike Halper
04-16-2012, 11:53 AM
Pro I/O Module is $3750
Pro Battery Module (Dual) is $1450

Jim

Understood, but we were told we'd have at least 2 weeks to order at the previously mentioned price.

Greg M
04-16-2012, 12:50 PM
Does that look like the old Red One lemo for TC and GPI?

does this mean GPI trigger power is now internal and old style trigger works?

Adam Howden
04-16-2012, 01:18 PM
Yup, ordered!

Curran Giddens
04-16-2012, 03:59 PM
I could only afford to order one of these for now. So many new items in the store :) Not sure yet how I feel about the EVF/LCD port on the top...

Pawel Achtel
04-16-2012, 04:29 PM
Pro I/O Module is $3750
Pro Battery Module (Dual) is $1450

Jim

Correct, but we were all under impression that the pre-order price is $2950 and $1250 before the modules ship and exactly what you posted afterwards. At the moment there is no option to select the pre-order prices in the online store.

Please see this post from Jarred: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?69610-2012-Price-Adjustment-reminder-(-and-some-extensions-)


Could you please clarify.

Mike Halper
04-16-2012, 04:31 PM
Not sure yet how I feel about the EVF/LCD port on the top...

Would have been nice to add a cheese plate to the top of this module and now we can't. Might just go with the +1 Module Adapter.

Kevin Marshall
04-16-2012, 04:35 PM
Would have been nice to add a cheese plate to the top of this module and now we can't. Might just go with the +1 Module Adapter.
The accessory manufacturers made top plates for the brain that have a cut-out for the antenna...don't see why they couldn't make one with a hole for the monitor port. But if all you need is an extra monitor port, the +1 adaptor is probably more efficient in both cost and size anyway...

Curran Giddens
04-16-2012, 04:36 PM
Would have been nice to add a cheese plate to the top of this module and now we can't. Might just go with the +1 Module Adapter.

Yup. That is why I'm not worried about it. The +1 is an absolute must have and will stay installed on the camera anyway.

Mike Halper
04-16-2012, 04:54 PM
The accessory manufacturers made top plates for the brain that have a cut-out for the antenna...don't see why they couldn't make one with a hole for the monitor port. But if all you need is an extra monitor port, the +1 adaptor is probably more efficient in both cost and size anyway...

By the looks of it in the picture there's no threads on the top to mount a plate on it.

Kevin Marshall
04-16-2012, 05:25 PM
Looks like the same ones as the Battery module:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/red_3/uploads/asset_image/image/4f889cfd2f74a976ce000070/ProIO3.png

Mike Halper
04-16-2012, 05:54 PM
Those are threads? I thought it was some kind of electronic interface. Anyone see it at NAB and can confirm? Even if it is, it would be odd to have a lemo connector sticking out of the middle with or without a cheese plate. Peculiar design.

Thomas Koba
04-16-2012, 06:16 PM
There will be phantom, right?

And there will be an extra EVF/LCD output, right?
*EDIT* Yes there will be! https://vimeo.com/40469962

Kevin Marshall
04-16-2012, 07:13 PM
Those are threads? I thought it was some kind of electronic interface. Anyone see it at NAB and can confirm? Even if it is, it would be odd to have a lemo connector sticking out of the middle with or without a cheese plate. Peculiar design.

Peculiar, indeed. Putting a port on top is not something I would have thought to do - but it dates back to some the earliest Epic/Scarlet renderings (there was once one shown directly on top of the brain, even)...so I guess Red think it's a good idea.

Jeff Brown
04-16-2012, 07:31 PM
Loving the announcements - lots to buy..

But please from a practacal procduction point of view take a look at why Mr Meizler has all connections tapered/angled back from the camera on his module.

All I can see with this module at the moment is a doubling of width (how big are XLR connectors....?) and many many broken cables....

Simple but vital - i hope there's time to look at that.......

Greg M
04-16-2012, 07:46 PM
A- looks like the same TC connector on Red One- will Red One TC cables work?
B- looks like same power/gpi as Red One- will Preston Red One cables work here to power motor + start/stop on this single lemo?
What is Aux?

EDIT:
Jarred answered this in another thread:
Timecode :
Connector: EAG.0B.305.CLN
1. Camera Ground
2. Time code Input – SMPTE single-ended
3. Time code Input – SMPTE double ended
4. 48.00 KHz Word Clock Output
5. Time code Output


GPIO :

Connector: EAG.0B.304.CLN
1. Camera Ground
2. GPI A
3 GPO A
4. V Batt +

AUX POWER :

Connector: EAG.0B.304.CLN
1. Camera Ground
2. Not used.
3. Not used
4. V Batt +

Which means all our Red One TC, Preston and VF Start/Stop cables should now work on Epic. Very good news indeed.

Jarred Land
04-17-2012, 03:37 AM
There will be phantom, right?

And there will be an extra EVF/LCD output, right?
*EDIT* Yes there will be! https://vimeo.com/40469962


Yup.. 3 pin XLRs support 48V Phantom Power.. line or microphone level.

You can also use the 7 pin LEMO AES Digital Audio Input to ingest 2 or 4 channels of 24-bit 48Khz audio.

Video Outputs right now in the booth are outputting 1.5GHZ 10bit 4:2:2 1920 x180 video, Before shipping 3G 2K 4:4:4 10bit video will be enabled.

Im not sure what you guys are talking about the problem with the threads on the top?

Adam Howden
04-17-2012, 03:38 AM
Jarred,

I see a program out and a preview out there, can you or anyone else talk about the difference between them? I'm hoping that one of them will allow for perhaps the RAW flat image data to be recorded to something like a Pix or Samurai?

I was shooting a spot for KFC in Sydney yesterday and yet again the post house threw their hands in the air over transcoding f$%king blah blah so it looks like a Samurai will be just around the corner!

Jarred Land
04-17-2012, 03:40 AM
Jarred,

I see a program out and a preview out there, can you or anyone else talk about the difference between them? I'm hoping that one of them will allow for perhaps the RAW flat image data to be recorded to something like a Pix or Samurai?

I was shooting a spot for KFC in Sydney yesterday and yet again the post house threw their hands in the air over transcoding f$%king blah blah so it looks like a Samurai will be just around the corner!


Program outputs just the recorded picture area only with no overlays etc.. "clean feed" ... Preview outputs the look around, overlays and menus etc.

BTW.. clean feed build for EPIC using its normal ports on the Brain (without the Pro I/O module) is 2 weeks away....

Trevor Meeks
04-17-2012, 04:03 AM
Yup.. 3 pin XLRs support 48V Phantom Power.. line or microphone level.



I hope I'm not reading into this too much, but is this to say that you guys will not be re-enabling 48v Phantom on the Scarlet body itself? I really hope that isn't the case...

Adam Howden
04-17-2012, 04:48 AM
Hey Jarred,

Great and thanks for the response, I know it's late over there. It might be worth considering an option to send the RAW to Program feed so that fast turnaround gigs have the ability to offer an Alexa style workflow. Out in the field it's a real world issue and offering it up to a producer will be just another tick in the box of Red versatility! :-)

Shane Kelly
04-17-2012, 07:53 AM
Program outputs just the recorded picture area only with no overlays etc.. "clean feed" ... Preview outputs the look around, overlays and menus etc.

BTW.. clean feed build for EPIC using its normal ports on the Brain (without the Pro I/O module) is 2 weeks away....

I can already get a clean feed from the epic brain.do you mean a correctly scaled clean feed for the pix? That would be really great.

Blair S. Paulsen
04-17-2012, 09:25 AM
I can already get a clean feed from the epic brain.do you mean a correctly scaled clean feed for the pix? That would be really great.

That's the implication I get as well Shane, otherwise I don't think Jarred would mention it.

Cheers - #19

noah newtown
04-17-2012, 09:32 AM
blair your 4k-ninjas-logo hyperlink doesnt exist anymore? :(

Patrick Grossien
04-17-2012, 10:10 AM
Anybody noticed the 90° head the scarlet sits in during the wireless module shot :)

Jarred Land
04-17-2012, 10:11 AM
Anybody noticed the 90° head the scarlet sits in during the wireless module shot :)

that is the RED R90 :)

Patrick Grossien
04-17-2012, 10:53 AM
oh btw, will there be a way to make the wireless work with light irons apps? ;)

EDIT: as in bringing these into the tower or laptop to process them right away?

Patrick Grossien
04-17-2012, 10:54 AM
that is the RED R90 :)

hehe yeah! Just couldn't remember the name ;) love it! any news on that front at the moment?

Jarred Land
04-17-2012, 11:01 AM
hehe yeah! Just couldn't remember the name ;) love it! any news on that front at the moment?

Version 4 we are showing at the show and your not going to see it hit the store likely till september. The nodal point is now more accurate and adjustable and the whole thing is alot more stable when using heavier rigs.

Bob Gundu
04-17-2012, 11:04 AM
I picture the RED laboratory of prototypes scattered about the room, and Jim and Jarred walking around like in a James Bond movie playing with Q's gadgets and causing havoc.

Jarred Land
04-17-2012, 11:06 AM
I picture the RED laboratory of prototypes scattered about the room, and Jim and Jarred walking around like in a James Bond movie playing with Q's gadgets and causing havoc.

Bingo..

Bob Gundu
04-17-2012, 11:09 AM
Well, better a James Bond movie than Austin Powers...

"Austin! That coffee tastes like shit, because it is SHIT!"


Bingo..

Patrick Grossien
04-17-2012, 11:58 AM
Version 4 we are showing at the show and your not going to see it hit the store likely till september. The nodal point is now more accurate and adjustable and the whole thing is alot more stable when using heavier rigs.

sounds great jarred! thanks so much for sharing!

Ben Coleman
04-17-2012, 06:14 PM
So there are not XLRs on the Pro IO for audio channels 1 and 2 correct?

Nick Morrison
04-17-2012, 07:18 PM
Program outputs just the recorded picture area only with no overlays etc.. "clean feed" ... Preview outputs the look around, overlays and menus etc.

BTW.. clean feed build for EPIC using its normal ports on the Brain (without the Pro I/O module) is 2 weeks away....

I'm assuming this will be available for Scarlet too right? This is going to be very useful, thanks.

Jarred Land
04-17-2012, 07:19 PM
I'm assuming this will be available for Scarlet too right? This is going to be very useful, thanks.

of course :)

Marc Wielage
04-18-2012, 01:11 AM
So there are not XLRs on the Pro IO for audio channels 1 and 2 correct?
I'd like to hear an answer for that myself.

Matt Gottshalk
04-18-2012, 01:17 AM
Channels 1&2 are on the front of the camera.

Shane Kelly
04-18-2012, 05:32 AM
I'd like to hear an answer for that myself.

That's correct.

Stuart English
04-18-2012, 09:31 AM
I can already get a clean feed from the epic brain.do you mean a correctly scaled clean feed for the pix? That would be really great.

Yes precisely.

Clean feed suitable for recording to an external DDR, correctly scaled from 5K HD, 4K HD, 3K HD or 2K HD

(three of those record resolutions being new in this same software, and in response to REDUSER requests)

Ken Willinger
04-18-2012, 09:54 AM
Fantastic news! Thanks Stuart!

Adam Howden
04-19-2012, 02:22 AM
Just wondering if anyone at RED can give me some SPECIFIC specs on the measurements of the Pro IO and the Module Adapter? I'm about to get a body case made and would love to allow for it...

Michael Lindsay
04-19-2012, 03:22 AM
Yes precisely.

Clean feed suitable for recording to an external DDR, correctly scaled from 5K HD, 4K HD, 3K HD or 2K HD

(three of those record resolutions being new in this same software, and in response to REDUSER requests)

Thanks for that...

Is it possible to reveal what the horizontal res (or vertical) of 5k HD is?? (I'm assuming 4800? but would love it to be a tad smaller)

Sounds great!

M

Shane Kelly
04-19-2012, 03:37 AM
Yes precisely.

Clean feed suitable for recording to an external DDR, correctly scaled from 5K HD, 4K HD, 3K HD or 2K HD

(three of those record resolutions being new in this same software, and in response to REDUSER requests)

Fantastic. Thanks for that and for the new resolutions

Stuart English
04-19-2012, 07:50 AM
I know it's late over there. It might be worth considering an option to send the RAW to Program feed so that fast turnaround gigs have the ability to offer an Alexa style workflow. Out in the field it's a real world issue and offering it up to a producer will be just another tick in the box of Red versatility! :-)

If you mean a properly scaled 1920 x 1080 clean feed with graded REC709 colors so you can feed an Atomos or Sound Devices recorder etc - yes that's there now, from both the Brain and the PRO I/O.

Marc Wielage
04-19-2012, 10:30 PM
Channels 1&2 are on the front of the camera.
Doh -- but still balanced 1/8" miniplugs, and the phantom power doesn't work yet? Yikes. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/hephaestus61/Smiley%20animations/confused07.gif

I would've much rather had the Pro I/O have 4 XLR inputs. I can think of a lot of competing cameras that do provide XLRs as standard.

Uli Plank
04-20-2012, 09:29 AM
Clean 16:9 feed will be a game-changer – bye, bye A…a

Stivan Widick
04-20-2012, 09:35 AM
Doh -- but still balanced 1/8" miniplugs, and the phantom power doesn't work yet?

Jarred stated in the Questions..? thread that that phantom power will be enabled in the next firmware release in 2 weeks.

Stuart English
04-20-2012, 05:05 PM
So there are not XLRs on the Pro IO for audio channels 1 and 2 correct?

You have 4 audio channels, and the default input mapping is -

Dual 3.5mm jack on the Brain = Ch 1 & 2
Dual XLR's on the PRO I/O = Ch 3 and 4

All analog audio inputs have the option of Phantom Power (when the software re-enables that) and the PRO I/O analog inputs are Mic / Line level selectable.

Also on the PRO I/O you can ingest 4 channels of AES / EBU digital audio, so you can replace either Ch 1& 2 or Ch 3& 4 or all four audio channels with digital data.

Adam Howden
04-20-2012, 11:25 PM
Are there any foreseeable issues with just recording to channels 3 & 4 and not selecting/activating 1 & 2?

Stuart English
04-21-2012, 12:10 AM
Are there any foreseeable issues with just recording to channels 3 & 4 and not selecting/activating 1 & 2?

Not from the camera's point of view...

Marc Wielage
04-21-2012, 03:24 AM
Jarred stated in the Questions..? thread that that phantom power will be enabled in the next firmware release in 2 weeks.
That does not solve the problem of 1/8" audio inputs on a $40,000 camera. I can kind of understand this on a $4000 prosumer camera -- not a camera like the Epic. I'm sorry, guys, this is really a bizarre shortcoming on an otherwise commendable camera. I continue to be perplexed at Red's indifference to audio with your products.

Everybody kind of got used to the TA3 (mini-XLR) connectors on the Red One, and I kind of accept that you have to go with this from a space/design point of view. But a 50 cent mini plug? Come on. You guys are better than this.

Patrick Grossien
04-21-2012, 05:20 AM
Marc, especially with your background, I understand the frustration. But even though I would have loved to have XLRs on camera, even with minis, I'm not sure they would have had sufficient space to do it. Also Jarred once mentioned that the mini XLR was "the biggest mistake we ever made" with the R1. I'm not sure why, except for the minis not being really widespread, but it seems they were keen on abandoning the concept for whatever reason.

But the modular concept has to start somewhere! ;) And that is an awesome achievement in itself!

I for one see it as ok for a motion picture camera to have audio input for scratch audio only in standard configuration, because most audio is recorded external anyway.
But then: I'm a picture guy, not a sound guy ;)

And then we have options:
The PRO I/O
I think is needed as a standard piece of equipment, which is why it was probably included in the early RED ONE upgrade packages (EDIT: sorry guys, it has been switched to the Quad Battery Module / thanks, Andrae). It of course adds some bulk to the brain, so I'm very exited you don't HAVE to schlepp it around, if you don't need it.
As I see it, for a complete pro film/motion camera package it is meant to be included. It certainly brings it to a R1 I/O similar config. It's just great, that it's now optional and not integrated as in the R1. If you see it like that, it makes the "standard package" a bit more expensive, but it's still cheaper and stronger than anything else... and a photographer just doesn't need it ;)

The Meizler
(if you can afford it)

The wireless module
Not 100% sure, but I would assume it could not only transmit but also receive data as it shares the same wireless audio transmission hardware as the meizler.

The only thing which is sad, is that the Basic I/O has been abandoned.
the +1 module is really great, if it had some basic pro audio included, the Basic I/O would have been back ;)
but who knows what the future holds ;) maybe if enough people keep bugging for a Basic Audio XLR we would get another +1 module ;)

Cheers!
Patrick

Shane Kelly
04-21-2012, 08:52 AM
The PRO I/O
is seen as a standard piece of equipment, which is why it was included in the RED ONE upgrade packages.


It was? I don't see it on my order page. (stage 2 btw)

Andrae Palmer
04-21-2012, 08:57 AM
It was? I don't see it on my order page. (stage 2 btw)

It was... but then they switched it with the Quad Battery module.

Patrick Grossien
04-21-2012, 09:01 AM
It was... but then they switched it with the Quad Battery module.

D'oh sorry. I'll edit. Just remembered the standard packages. Didn't have one to upgrade, so I wasn't up to the latest.

Thanks Andrae for coming to the rescue ;)

Mike Kushner
04-21-2012, 09:30 AM
[QUOTE=Stuart English;990844]If you mean a properly scaled 1920 x 1080 clean feed with graded REC709 colors so you can feed an Atomos or Sound Devices recorder etc - yes that's there now, from both the Brain and the PRO I/O.[/Q

Does "properly scaled" mean that the image will be full frame on a 16 x 9 monitor with no letterbox? Will there be a 5K, 16 x 9 resolution that outputs a true clean feed? That is desperately needed according to all the posts about that issue.

Stuart English
04-21-2012, 09:36 AM
That does not solve the problem of 1/8" audio inputs on a $40,000 camera. I can kind of understand this on a $4000 prosumer camera -- not a camera like the Epic. I'm sorry, guys, this is really a bizarre shortcoming on an otherwise commendable camera. I continue to be perplexed at Red's indifference to audio with your products.

Everybody kind of got used to the TA3 (mini-XLR) connectors on the Red One, and I kind of accept that you have to go with this from a space/design point of view. But a 50 cent mini plug? Come on. You guys are better than this.


I continue to be puzzled by this urban myth that we don't care about audio quality.

4 discreet audio channels - check

24-bit 48KHz sampling - check

Available +48V Phantom power - check

Wide dynamic range - check

Soft limiter - check

Spot on Audio / video Sync - check

Stereo headphone jack - check

Available full size XLRs - check

Available Line in at 0dBu or 0VU reference

Available dual channel line out - check

Available LEMO Timcode In and Out - check

Timecode cross Jam - check

Available AES / EBU digital audio inputs - check

Embedded audio in HD-SDI and HDMI - check

Wireless audio ingest in development - check




It isn't possible to put XLR's on the brain. OK I get that point - however it is still full spec audio quality and you do have the option of the PRO I/O modules, which if you add that to the camera is still smaller than competing professional cameras.

Mike Kushner
04-21-2012, 09:47 AM
I can't get a good audio signal into the brain without a special mixer that attenuates a very non-standardized level. Industry standard mic level and industry standard line level just don't make a saturated, robust audio level...and the headphone output is just plain anemic. Ten years ago i bought a DVcam for a couple of grand and right out of the box the audio was clean, easy and had standardized levels. In this day and age a brain that is a real pain to get audio to is no fun at all. ...and the handling noise from the little mini connectors is quite discouraging. So, yes...there are some audio issues to be addressed. it's not an urban myth.

Adrian T.
04-21-2012, 09:49 AM
It isn't possible to put XLR's on the brain. OK I get that point - however it is still full spec audio quality and you do have the option of the PRO I/O modules, which if you add that to the camera is still smaller than competing professional cameras.

It would still be awesome if you allowed line level audio on the brain inputs. Audio quality is decreased by using external attenuators, and buying/renting/using the Pro I/O just to have two line level inputs is not always an option.

(even my consumer DVX100 nine years ago had balanced line inputs)

Mike Kushner
04-21-2012, 09:56 AM
If you mean a properly scaled 1920 x 1080 clean feed with graded REC709 colors so you can feed an Atomos or Sound Devices recorder etc - yes that's there now, from both the Brain and the PRO I/O.

My Epic's output generates a letter box and pillar box on the 4K HD, 16 x 9 setting when viewing on the monitor. (black bars around the sides and top and bottom of frame) Is that "properly scaled"? Or was there a change in a firmware update that i missed? Thank you to any of the Red engineers that can shed light on this.

Shane Kelly
04-21-2012, 11:55 AM
My Epic's output generates a letter box and pillar box on the 4K HD, 16 x 9 setting when viewing on the monitor. (black bars around the sides and top and bottom of frame) Is that "properly scaled"? Or was there a change in a firmware update that i missed? Thank you to any of the Red engineers that can shed light on this.

I believe it's coming in about 2 weeks in the new software build.

Adam Howden
04-21-2012, 08:43 PM
Is there a way to record just the audio stream from 3 & 4 but not have two blank audio channels appear in the 1 & 2 section of the R3D?

Matt Gottshalk
04-21-2012, 09:08 PM
Is there a way to record just the audio stream from 3 & 4 but not have two blank audio channels appear in the 1 & 2 section of the R3D?

+1 Remapping 3&4 to 1&2 through the menu would be sweet.

Mike Halper
04-21-2012, 10:15 PM
+1 Remapping 3&4 to 1&2 through the menu would be sweet.

+2.

Paul Ellington
04-22-2012, 11:16 AM
I continue to be puzzled by this urban myth that we don't care about audio quality.

4 discreet audio channels - check

24-bit 48KHz sampling - check

Available +48V Phantom power - check

Wide dynamic range - check

Soft limiter - check

Spot on Audio / video Sync - check

Stereo headphone jack - check

Available full size XLRs - check

Available Line in at 0dBu or 0VU reference

Available dual channel line out - check

Available LEMO Timcode In and Out - check

Timecode cross Jam - check

Available AES / EBU digital audio inputs - check

Embedded audio in HD-SDI and HDMI - check

Wireless audio ingest in development - check




It isn't possible to put XLR's on the brain. OK I get that point - however it is still full spec audio quality and you do have the option of the PRO I/O modules, which if you add that to the camera is still smaller than competing professional cameras.


Yeah and us pros have been using dual systems forever, the pro io is gravy... The Size of the Epic/Scarlet alone should make u go wild with excitement.

Paul Ellington
04-22-2012, 11:17 AM
That does not solve the problem of 1/8" audio inputs on a $40,000 camera. I can kind of understand this on a $4000 prosumer camera -- not a camera like the Epic. I'm sorry, guys, this is really a bizarre shortcoming on an otherwise commendable camera. I continue to be perplexed at Red's indifference to audio with your products.

Everybody kind of got used to the TA3 (mini-XLR) connectors on the Red One, and I kind of accept that you have to go with this from a space/design point of view. But a 50 cent mini plug? Come on. You guys are better than this.

Commendable camera, okay now I am getting upset...

Brook Willard
04-22-2012, 12:06 PM
That does not solve the problem of 1/8" audio inputs on a $40,000 camera. I can kind of understand this on a $4000 prosumer camera -- not a camera like the Epic. I'm sorry, guys, this is really a bizarre shortcoming on an otherwise commendable camera. I continue to be perplexed at Red's indifference to audio with your products.

Everybody kind of got used to the TA3 (mini-XLR) connectors on the Red One, and I kind of accept that you have to go with this from a space/design point of view. But a 50 cent mini plug? Come on. You guys are better than this.

Guys, let's try and prevent this from getting ugly. RED has a tremendous amount of feedback from a lot of people in different market segments. Every single market segment wants [demands] something different.

To offer the counterpoint:

I've been working with the Epic since before day one. I was the key digital imaging technician on the first movie to shoot *any* Epic at all along with about a half-dozen other features. I've worked with the Epic nearly every single day since before it shipped.

Not one single time in that stretch have I ever recorded audio to the camera. I honestly might have to consult the manual to figure out how to do it.

To me the decision to use 1/8" audio inputs was perfect. There are two primary reasons why. One, they are essentially invisible to me. I don't even have to try to ignore them, they're completely out of my way as a camera person and never cross my mind. Two, I don't pay a volume or mass price for their inclusion. A full-size XLR connector is gigantic. Having full-size XLR connectors on the Epic body would've added several cubic inches to the overall volume of the camera. To me that is unacceptable on a camera that prides itself on its remarkably tiny size.

I'm excited about the Pro IO because of the additional monitor and power outputs it provides. If there were a Pro IO without audio inputs... I'd buy that one instead. In my world audio has no place on a camera if it is going to negatively impact the camera in any way [size, weight, etcetera]. RED's idea to put it on a module is the best balance in my eyes.

So for every person that hates the 1/8" audio inputs on the Epic there is another person that loves them and another still that ignores them.

Let's live up to our professions and find solutions rather than yelling about problems.

Patrick Grossien
04-22-2012, 12:45 PM
Thanks Brook! Perfect wording in my eyes! Totally agree

Paul Kalbach
04-22-2012, 06:26 PM
I understand using the mini jacks to keep the brain as small as possible. I just wish they had gone with screw-on minis (such as the ones Sennheiser uses on their wireless systems) for a more secure connection. I made the suggestion to Red early in development but it didn't make it into the mix. Oh well...still love my camera and its' SMALL size....

Trevor Meeks
04-23-2012, 12:49 AM
THANK YOU BROOK! That pretty much sums it up, man.

Marc Wielage
04-23-2012, 02:04 AM
I continue to be puzzled by this urban myth that we don't care about audio quality.
Find me a sound mixer in Hollywood who loves working with the Red Epic, and I will buy this person lunch.


Stereo headphone jack - check
The last shoot I had, we got almost no level out of the headphone jack. You need at least a couple of hundred millvolts for the output, and I think you're not nearly there. A $150 iPod puts out more (and better) sound, in my experience.


Available full size XLRs - check
Not for Channel 1 and 2. Name another pro camera in the world that costs over $10,000 that uses mini plugs for audio input. I'm hard-pressed to think of a single one.


Available Line in at 0dBu or 0VU reference
Only with a pad. This is not a true line input. Every ENG camera I can remember, going back to the 1970s, has had conventional XLR inputs that are truly switchable microphone or line. I'm also not convinced the distortion specs and headroom on the Epic or Scarlet are acceptable. In that respect, my observation is that audio quality is low on the list of priorities. (I grasp the reality that the camera is optimized 95% for picture.)


Available LEMO Timcode In and Out
Does this work now? To my knowledge, timecode out has not worked in 6 months.


Timecode cross Jam
I worry more about timecode stability. There are not a lot of cameras that can hold, say, 10ppm in terms of timecode accuracy (less than 1 frame in 12 hours) if you turn them on and off. Red has been particularly disappointing in this regard. If you could keep the timecode backed up 100% of the time and make it absolutely rock steady, this would alleviate the requirement for a timecode jam box -- except in situations where you need sync reference, as for 3D or multicam shoots. And again, Red is using a timecode jack no one in the entire industry uses -- a 4-pin Lemo jack. Even the Red One had a jack more compatible with industry practice.

Stuart, I'm not your enemy, and I've been impressed with Red (both the camera and the company) for many years. I've actually defended the camera in some cases with some post supervisors, editors, and engineers. I've been through the Reducation classes and have been impressed by the company's commitment to making great pictures.

But it's clear to me that Red did not do their homework in terms of audio and timecode, and I'm frustrated that even after 8 months, the Pro IO doesn't solve these problems. I grasp the idea of forging new ground and trying different things; the problem for me is, the Epic and Scarlet have to work in the real world with existing audio and TC gear that's been around for decades. Ignoring this is a huge folly.

All strictly in my opinion.

Marc Wielage
04-23-2012, 02:09 AM
To me the decision to use 1/8" audio inputs was perfect. There are two primary reasons why. One, they are essentially invisible to me. I don't even have to try to ignore them, they're completely out of my way as a camera person and never cross my mind. Two, I don't pay a volume or mass price for their inclusion. A full-size XLR connector is gigantic. Having full-size XLR connectors on the Epic body would've added several cubic inches to the overall volume of the camera.
Using TA3 connectors -- essentially miniature XLRs -- would've been fine by me. I think the internal connector is maybe 1/2" deeper and an inch bigger around than a fragile, poorly-shielded 1/8" mini connector. The 4 x TA3 connectors on the side of the Red One were fine. I don't think anybody would complain with a form factor this size, particularly with a new model that had greater resolution and exposure range like the Epic and Scarlet.

I also would've recommended putting the audio connectors on the back or the sides of the camera. I'm baffled as to why they felt putting inputs 1 & 2 on the front was a good idea. Baffled.

I'm happy with the timecode and genlock signals on the Pro IO module. If the camera can hold timecode accuracy for a long period of time, even with battery changes and reboots, that would be an improvement as well.

Mike Halper
04-23-2012, 01:27 PM
Find me a sound mixer in Hollywood who loves working with the Red Epic, and I will buy this person lunch.


The last shoot I had, we got almost no level out of the headphone jack. You need at least a couple of hundred millvolts for the output, and I think you're not nearly there. A $150 iPod puts out more (and better) sound, in my experience.


Not for Channel 1 and 2. Name another pro camera in the world that costs over $10,000 that uses mini plugs for audio input. I'm hard-pressed to think of a single one.


Only with a pad. This is not a true line input. Every ENG camera I can remember, going back to the 1970s,....

You owe me lunch. I'm a sound mixer also and have had no issues getting sound into Epic, and do like working with it even when I'm just doing sound. It's scratch track anyway that should be getting replaced with better audio from the recorder. Also these are not ENG cameras. To me they are cameras to replace film cameras, which don't record sound at all. If you need an ENG style camera maybe Red isn't the right camera for that type of work?

Bob Gruen
04-24-2012, 10:36 AM
My 2 cents...

The front mounted jacks on the camera can be adapted to full sized XLRs by the use of a simple adapter by Wooden Camera. To me the real problem with the jacks will be durability over the years. XLRs are the size that they are to stand up to years of plugging and unplugging, while the type of mini plugs Red put on the Epic and Scarlet don't stand up so well to continued use on consumer devices like IPODs / Walkmen. Once the protective coating on the internal spring loaded contacts wears off the contacts oxidize and the jack will need replacing.

Not having the best sound on the Epic is a forgivable sin, as the Epic truly is a cinema camera targeting that consumer base. Scarlet, on the other hand, targets a user base that arguably requires top notch sound on camera as it will undoubtedly be used on projects where external full sound solution may not be affordable or logistically practical. On balance, built in audio may be the one edge that the R1 has over the newer cameras, although the addition of the Pro IO seemingly gets you the 2 solid channels of audio most projects would need.

I never understood the slams on the mini XLRs. Maybe that's because I bought the purpose built break-away cable that adapts channels 1 & 2 and the 5 pin headphone jack to the full sized XLRs and headphone jack found on just about every portable mixer in use today. It baffles me that Red never made this cable avilable through their website, and honestly it is actually kind of hard to find on the internet (Trew Audio for R1 owners who are interested).

Bob

Sid Idris
04-24-2012, 11:17 AM
has anyone posted pix of the other side of the PRO IO module? Any ports there?

Bob Gundu
04-24-2012, 11:19 AM
has anyone posted pix of the other side of the PRO IO module? Any ports there?

Nothing on the other side. It would poke into your head anyway when shoulder mounted.

Marc Wielage
04-25-2012, 04:22 AM
You owe me lunch. I'm a sound mixer also and have had no issues getting sound into Epic, and do like working with it even when I'm just doing sound. It's scratch track anyway that should be getting replaced with better audio from the recorder.
Well... if you think it's only good for scratch track, isn't that kind of an issue? Would you be satisfied with the Epic inputs if they were your only available soundtrack?

Contact me through my website -- I'm done with my current project by May 10th, and I'm good for lunch in LA. (American or Italian dishes preferred.)


To me the real problem with the jacks will be durability over the years. XLRs are the size that they are to stand up to years of plugging and unplugging, while the type of mini plugs Red put on the Epic and Scarlet don't stand up so well to continued use on consumer devices like IPODs / Walkmen. Once the protective coating on the internal spring loaded contacts wears off the contacts oxidize and the jack will need replacing.
That's essentially my point. A 3.5mm balanced plug is non-standard in and of itself, but I guarantee you, plug and unplug it 1000 times and tell me how well it holds up over time. Now, take an XLR jack and plug and unplug that 1000 times. To me, this is the difference between a 25-cent jack (the 3.5mm) and a $5.00 jack (the XLR). The TA3 (mini-XLR) jacks are a little delicate, but they're lightyears better than the 3.5mm minijacks. I'm just disappointed that a $40,000 camera went with 25-cent light-duty jacks for the main audio inputs.


Not having the best sound on the Epic is a forgivable sin, as the Epic truly is a cinema camera targeting that consumer base. Scarlet, on the other hand, targets a user base that arguably requires top notch sound on camera as it will undoubtedly be used on projects where external full sound solution may not be affordable or logistically practical.
They're both essentially the same camera with different data rates, features, accessories, and pricing. I think the sound problems with the Epic and Scarlet are fixable over time, but I'm just disappointed that these specific issues -- the type of jacks used, headroom in the preamps, lack of true line inputs, lack of reliable monitoring -- were not addressed early on. The picture quality and flexibility of the camera set new standards for the industry; I just feel like sound was #99 on a list of 100 priorities. (Timecode might have been #100.) The Pro I/O didn't solve these problems as I had hoped.

Top-notch sound is required on everything where the audience needs to understand the dialog. Unless you're shooting a sequel to The Artist, this can potentially be a problem.

Patrick Grossien
04-25-2012, 05:05 AM
I'm excited about the Pro IO because of the additional monitor and power outputs it provides. If there were a Pro IO without audio inputs... I'd buy that one instead. In my world audio has no place on a camera if it is going to negatively impact the camera in any way [size, weight, etcetera]. RED's idea to put it on a module is the best balance in my eyes.

Just a thought: maybe the flexibility of the full modular concept is not used to its full potential. Wouldn't it be even better to split the PRO I/O into smaller modules? As long as you can just attach whatever modules you need for the gig, you can switch back and forth. Like a couple of +1 like modules chained together. Maybe this is not economically efficient, and it might add some weight when fully equipped, but it would definitely by extremely modular.

Then again, maybe this is just plain stupid and inefficient ;)

David Litchfield
05-10-2012, 07:06 AM
I think it would be a mistake to have the EVF/LCD port on top of the camera. It won't effect sales, but I fear it will get in the way and we'll have to say 'I don't know why they've put it there' on every shoot! Could we not lose the middle two ridges at the top and put the socket in there? Those design ridges take up the top 1/3 of that side. I'd much prefer better ergonomics over retaining the design style. The bottom ridges have already been lost. Hopefully it's not too late to be considered.

Cheers

Dave Litchfield

Ned Wilson
06-15-2012, 11:56 AM
The only problem I had with our current Epic is lack of an extra SDI, EVF and D Tap output. Also, really hoped the I/O would be smaller. In conjunction with the quad it makes for a large profile. May go back to battery plates. Would have loved to see two EVF ports, that way we can use our bomb, touchscreen and the 7" for focus puller (instead of small HD). Am I the only one who's feels this way? Please be nice and don't banish me. These our just observations based on my using the Epic in the field on everything from Doc, movies to broadcast. Perhaps a smaller "stripped down" module?

Matt Gottshalk
06-15-2012, 01:16 PM
The only problem I had with our current Epic is lack of an extra SDI, EVF and D Tap output. Also, really hoped the I/O would be smaller. In conjunction with the quad it makes for a large profile. May go back to battery plates. Would have loved to see two EVF ports, that way we can use our bomb, touchscreen and the 7" for focus puller (instead of small HD). Am I the only one who's feels this way? Please be nice and don't banish me. These our just observations based on my using the Epic in the field on everything from Doc, movies to broadcast. Perhaps a smaller "stripped down" module?

No, you are far from the only one. I'd buy a much skinnier pro I/o with 2 xlr, 1 extra sdi and an extra evf.

Being as big as it is defetasnthempurpose of the smaller size of the epic/scarlet.

Vino Harris
06-16-2012, 12:57 AM
Can the scarlet get turned up to 240fps or 200fps for slow motion. I don't want to rent a epic just for slo mo scenes. 120fps is a joke after seeing other consumer cameras crank to 200 or 240fps like the FS 700.
hey..if I don't ask I will never know and one last thing when will we see states on the scarlet 6K or footage from the epic 6K???

Trevor Meeks
06-16-2012, 01:32 AM
Can the scarlet get turned up to 240fps or 200fps for slow motion. I don't want to rent a epic just for slo mo scenes. 120fps is a joke after seeing other consumer cameras crank to 200 or 240fps like the FS 700.
hey..if I don't ask I will never know and one last thing when will we see states on the scarlet 6K or footage from the epic 6K???

no. now move on.

soren k jensen
06-16-2012, 01:38 AM
+1 for a skinnier pro io w- monitor out and xlrs. I need simple and lightweight...

Jarred Land
06-16-2012, 01:46 AM
Just a thought: maybe the flexibility of the full modular concept is not used to its full potential. Wouldn't it be even better to split the PRO I/O into smaller modules? As long as you can just attach whatever modules you need for the gig, you can switch back and forth. Like a couple of +1 like modules chained together. Maybe this is not economically efficient, and it might add some weight when fully equipped, but it would definitely by extremely modular.

Then again, maybe this is just plain stupid and inefficient ;)


not that easy unfortunately... you need a ASIC for each thing you are trying to do.. and an ASIC powerful enough to do something that seems simple like creating an extra RGB monitor path from a huge 5K raw then compress it all at 120fps needs power.. and power needs cooling.. which needs heatsinks, and pretty soon you get to be the size of the IO without trying.

Peter Lyons Collister, ASC
06-16-2012, 02:25 AM
not that easy unfortunately... you need a ASIC for each thing you are trying to do.. and an ASIC powerful enough to do something that seems simple like creating an extra RGB monitor path from a huge 5K raw then compress it all at 120fps needs power.. and power needs cooling.. which needs heatsinks, and pretty soon you get to be the size of the IO without trying.

Here is the problem.... Jim and Jarred and Ted give us so much that we keep asking for more... thinking it is a simple thing..... They have spoiled us..... We should continue to ask for special features and modules but realize that it all takes time....

Go out and make great images and films and all the while ask for some changes.... But Realize we have a tool 100 times more versatile than the Arri BL 1 I shot my first feature with....

I am happy to wait another year for Dragon just so they get it right... WHat IS the rush?

Vino Harris
06-16-2012, 12:31 PM
Trevor you are a nobody! So unless you have some say so on the Red team shut the hell up!

Vino Harris
06-16-2012, 12:32 PM
Can the scarlet get turned up to 240fps or 200fps for slow motion. I don't want to rent a epic just for slo mo scenes. 120fps is a joke after seeing other consumer cameras crank to 200 or 240fps like the FS 700.
hey..if I don't ask I will never know and one last thing when will we see states on the scarlet 6K or footage from the epic 6K???

Patrick Grossien
06-16-2012, 01:14 PM
not that easy unfortunately... you need a ASIC for each thing you are trying to do.. and an ASIC powerful enough to do something that seems simple like creating an extra RGB monitor path from a huge 5K raw then compress it all at 120fps needs power.. and power needs cooling.. which needs heatsinks, and pretty soon you get to be the size of the IO without trying.

Jarred, thanks a lot for answering! as you see this is what non-engineers come up with in their little brains. Hehehe. It's great that you clarified even though it might have been a stupid question. Makes the whole module deal definitely clearer to me. thanks again!

Patrick Grossien
06-16-2012, 01:20 PM
Here is the problem.... Jim and Jarred and Ted give us so much that we keep asking for more... thinking it is a simple thing..... They have spoiled us..... We should continue to ask for special features and modules but realize that it all takes time....

Go out and make great images and films and all the while ask for some changes.... But Realize we have a tool 100 times more versatile than the Arri BL 1 I shot my first feature with....

I am happy to wait another year for Dragon just so they get it right... WHat IS the rush?

As for me, I'm a happy camper! And I also have the patience. I just don't need the full pro I/O so that's why I keep
posting stupid questions. Hehehe. Im not whining or trying to push. Just trying to get some info out to the brains behind it all. And then... sometimes, just out of the blue, I think that I have a better idea than a whole R&D department put together. Hehehe. Just kidding

Zeb B
06-16-2012, 02:16 PM
Pro I/O Lite at half the size and function otherwise my Epic starts looking like the human centipede ; - )

Rick Darge
06-16-2012, 03:05 PM
Trevor you are a nobody! So unless you have some say so on the Red team shut the hell up!

Bath Salts?

Mike Halper
06-16-2012, 03:33 PM
Trevor you are a nobody! So unless you have some say so on the Red team shut the hell up!


Can the scarlet get turned up to 240fps or 200fps for slow motion. I don't want to rent a epic just for slo mo scenes. 120fps is a joke after seeing other consumer cameras crank to 200 or 240fps like the FS 700.
hey..if I don't ask I will never know and one last thing when will we see states on the scarlet 6K or footage from the epic 6K???

Look at the thread title. What you're asking has nothing to do with Pro I/O and is off topic. Go to a different thread or start a new one in the proper area.

Andrew Walker
06-16-2012, 03:56 PM
Bath Salts?

Hahahaha...I had to look back a couple pages just to make sure. But yes Rick, does sound like someone is getting salted.

Vino Harris
06-16-2012, 05:07 PM
Can the scarlet get turned up to 240fps or 200fps for slow motion. I don't want to rent a epic just for slo mo scenes. 120fps is a joke after seeing other consumer cameras crank to 200 or 240fps like the FS 700.
hey..if I don't ask I will never know and one last thing when will we see states on the scarlet 6K or footage from the epic 6K???

No answer I will keep posting until I get a answer from the Red team.

Paul Ellington
06-16-2012, 05:12 PM
Can the scarlet get turned up to 240fps or 200fps for slow motion. I don't want to rent a epic just for slo mo scenes. 120fps is a joke after seeing other consumer cameras crank to 200 or 240fps like the FS 700.
hey..if I don't ask I will never know and one last thing when will we see states on the scarlet 6K or footage from the epic 6K???

No answer I will keep posting until I get a answer from the Red team.

Why don't you wait til Monday and call instead of all this weird energy that will only wind up doing damage.

Rick Darge
06-16-2012, 06:10 PM
Can the scarlet get turned up to 240fps or 200fps for slow motion. I don't want to rent a epic just for slo mo scenes. 120fps is a joke after seeing other consumer cameras crank to 200 or 240fps like the FS 700.
hey..if I don't ask I will never know and one last thing when will we see states on the scarlet 6K or footage from the epic 6K???

No answer I will keep posting until I get a answer from the Red team.

120 at 1k is it for Scarlet. Use Twixtor or buy a Weisscam you troll

keith morton
06-16-2012, 06:24 PM
Can the scarlet get turned up to 240fps or 200fps for slow motion. I don't want to rent a epic just for slo mo scenes. 120fps is a joke after seeing other consumer cameras crank to 200 or 240fps like the FS 700.
hey..if I don't ask I will never know and one last thing when will we see states on the scarlet 6K or footage from the epic 6K???

No answer I will keep posting until I get a answer from the Red team.

Yo! Here's your answer from the Green Team...

Mike P.
07-07-2012, 11:41 AM
I tried but "I/O" and "PRO" are too small for a proper search, so forgive me if this has been covered...

...Are there any plans for a smaller, NON-pro I/O module with just two full-sized XLRs for cheap? I don't think Genlock, TC, etc. make sense for jobs that you'd be willing to record audio direct to camera for, and the $3750 (while good for what it does) is quite an investment for someone that really only wants the XLRs. Conversely, 3rd party products like the A-box are decent, but when phantom power enabled using the 3.5mm jacks is just not robust enough (especially for doc/run and gun work, where you'd actually want to have solid on-cam audio).

Basically an official RED product/solution that fits right between an A-box (or 3.5-to-XLR cables) and the PRO I/O module (or full dual audio setup.)

L. Langer
07-07-2012, 12:01 PM
Not likely to happen. A third-party version of what you want is likely to pop up at some point if RED thinks it's okay for their bottom line, but RED cannot do what you ask unless it's sensible for them to do it from a business standpoint, and from what Jarred has said, it isn't sensible for them to do it because it's more money for them to invest in designing, manufacturing, and parts maintaining with a minimal ROI on what you want since they already make a more comprehensive product that does what you want and more. It is what it is.

Paul Hazlett
07-14-2012, 09:00 AM
Anybody have one of these yet?,,,,anyone....Bueller?

Paul Hazlett
07-15-2012, 04:30 PM
ok then....good to know

Peter Lyons Collister, ASC
07-15-2012, 07:16 PM
I think you will see a lot of Pro I/O modules shipping in the next 2 weeks now that firmware 3.3.3 is out.....

This module is just what we all wanted and it made the sale of Epic for my reboot of Arrested Development that much easier on the studio. Thanks Jim and J and Ted and team

It is beautiful

Peter

Matt Gottshalk
07-15-2012, 08:37 PM
Any news on if there is the ability to map Channels 3&4 on the I/O module to channels 1 & 2 on the epic?

Pawel Achtel
07-17-2012, 01:09 AM
OK, so I got the "Pending Shippment Notice". Yay!

Now, can someone tell me the pin assignments, specs and cable availability for:

1. Time code (5 Pin Lemo) - I understand that it is both Input (jam) and Output (generator)
2. GPIO (4 Pin Lemo) - Same as on R1???
3. Power (4-pin LEMO) - Same as on R1???
4. AUX (10-Pin Lemo)

It would be great if a more comprehensive specification was available at Red store or/and in the manual. Can't wait :)

Kwan Khan
07-17-2012, 01:32 AM
Yo! Here's your answer from the Green Team...

Hahahahaahah... word.



Yes I got "Pending Shippment Notice" as well... but I think I will pass this time

Joe Kleber
07-17-2012, 02:13 AM
...got my 'Pending Shipment Notice" too. ...most definitely will NOT pass.

Kwan Khan
07-17-2012, 02:30 AM
...got my 'Pending Shipment Notice" too. ...most definitely will NOT pass.
LOL - I know Joe
My reason: No need for now (very heavy post work now), so let the next fellow to take an advantage.

Curran Giddens
07-17-2012, 04:19 AM
Got my notice too... I will take it!

Mike Yonts
07-17-2012, 05:45 AM
Got the e-mail too and should be getting mine by the end of he week! Does anybody know if the size of this module has ever been mentioned? I'm getting a custom camera case made, and I (and presumably others too) am going to need a longer cable for my Viewfactor V-mount.

Björn Benckert
07-17-2012, 06:15 AM
no notice ordered the first day :(

Greg M
07-17-2012, 08:00 AM
OK, so I got the "Pending Shippment Notice". Yay!

Now, can someone tell me the pin assignments, specs and cable availability for:

1. Time code (5 Pin Lemo) - I understand that it is both Input (jam) and Output (generator)
2. GPIO (4 Pin Lemo) - Same as on R1???
3. Power (4-pin LEMO) - Same as on R1???
4. AUX (10-Pin Lemo)

It would be great if a more comprehensive specification was available at Red store or/and in the manual. Can't wait :)

Jarred said in an earlier post it was all the same as the R1...so all our old cables should now work :)
will know shortly.

Mike P.
07-17-2012, 09:37 AM
This module is just what we all wanted and it made the sale of Epic for my reboot of Arrested Development that much easier on the studio. Thanks Jim and J and Ted and team


D-:

This is by far the most important announcement/confirmation in this thread.

Paul E. McCarthy
07-17-2012, 10:20 AM
Got the e-mail too and should be getting mine by the end of he week! Does anybody know if the size of this module has ever been mentioned? I'm getting a custom camera case made, and I (and presumably others too) am going to need a longer cable for my Viewfactor V-mount.

I think you are good. I think its the same size as the dual batt module, which I got and mocked up with my VF APU and the cable was long enough, but what we need is that VF adapter for the back of the PRO I/O

Mike Yonts
07-17-2012, 11:12 AM
I think you are good. I think its the same size as the dual batt module, which I got and mocked up with my VF APU and the cable was long enough, but what we need is that VF adapter for the back of the PRO I/O

Yeah...so VF has talked about some kind of adapter to go between the APU and the back of the Epic modules? They're probably going to be getting a lot of questions about that in the near future.

Stuart English
07-17-2012, 12:07 PM
Now, can someone tell me the pin assignments, specs and cable availability for:

1. Time code (5 Pin Lemo) - I understand that it is both Input (jam) and Output (generator)
2. GPIO (4 Pin Lemo) - Same as on R1???
3. Power (4-pin LEMO) - Same as on R1???
4. AUX (10-Pin Lemo)



All these connectors have the same pin outs as on the RED ONE... the Power Out is the same as a GPIO except the I and O pins are inactive - just the two power pins are active.

Carlos Gonzalez
07-17-2012, 12:32 PM
Does anybody know if the Module Adaptor is needed to connect the Pro I/O module, or can you connect it directly without it?

Keegan@Netflix
07-17-2012, 02:13 PM
Yes you will need the Module Adaptor to connect the Pro I/O.



Does anybody know if the Module Adaptor is needed to connect the Pro I/O module, or can you connect it directly without it?

Adrian T.
07-17-2012, 02:24 PM
Will there ever be a possibility to mount the DSMC backpack with the quickplate to a DSMC module like the PRO I/O or the upcoming +1 Monitor Adaptor?

Pawel Achtel
07-17-2012, 04:06 PM
All these connectors have the same pin outs as on the RED ONE... the Power Out is the same as a GPIO except the I and O pins are inactive - just the two power pins are active.

Thanks Stuart for speedy reply. Greatly appreciated.

Curran Giddens
07-17-2012, 05:52 PM
no notice ordered the first day :(

You need to order within the first hour, not the first day. ;-)

Pawel Achtel
07-17-2012, 07:05 PM
You need to order within the first hour, not the first day. ;-)

That's funny. Yes, it helps :)

Carlos Gonzalez
07-17-2012, 11:53 PM
I just got the Pro I/O Module today. Couldn't do much testing but after installing Beta Firmaware 3.3.3, it seems to be working seamlessly.

One of the peculiarities of the LCD/EVF output on the Pro I/O module, is that if you plug the LCD into that port it doesn't let you access the menus. Basically the touch capability goes away. In order to avoid this, you must plug the LCD into the side SSD module on the brain and the EVF into the top of the Pro I/O Module. All this is fine, I just wish I had a longer EVF cable as the 18" is a bit short for certain adjustments. I would love to see a 24" EVF cable for more flexibility.

I finally got the last essential piece of the puzzle and I couldn't be happier.

Matt Ryan
07-18-2012, 12:01 AM
I just got the Pro I/O Module today. Couldn't do much testing but after installing Beta Firmaware 3.3.3, it seems to be working seamlessly.

One of the peculiarities of the LCD/EVF output on the Pro I/O module, is that if you plug the LCD into that port it doesn't let you access the menus. Basically the touch capability goes away. In order to avoid this, you must plug the LCD into the side SSD module on the brain and the EVF into the top of the Pro I/O Module. All this is fine, I just wish I had a longer EVF cable as the 18" is a bit short for certain adjustments. I would love to see a 24" EVF cable for more flexibility.

I finally got the last essential piece of the puzzle and I couldn't be happier.

Could the pro IO possibly just have the evf/lcd port set to clean in the settings? You may be able to go into the menus and change the setting to get the menus.

Carlos Gonzalez
07-18-2012, 12:21 AM
Could the pro IO possibly just have the evf/lcd port set to clean in the settings? You may be able to go into the menus and change the setting to get the menus.

It's not that, I do have the option to make it clean or have the menus. It's just that the LCD looses the touch capability when plugged into the Pro I/O Module...

Matt Ryan
07-18-2012, 12:22 AM
It's not that, I do have the option to make it clean or have the menus. It's just that the LCD doesn't have the touch capabilities when plugged into the Pro I/O Module...

ah I see. Thats a bummer. But I'm sure a firmware update could fix that.

Max M.
07-18-2012, 02:36 AM
Could you post some pic with it, would want to to see how big it gets with the module adapter in between also