How Soon After NAB [Archive]

planet e

01-22-2008, 09:00 AM

the closest thing that i can think of to a "pocket professional" device is an HV20, and jim was loud and clear about the emphasis on the word "pocket"--so you'll have to be content with a pretty small form factor, which is why i think this will not be a great substitute for an EX-1 or an HVX.

just my opinion, but i don't think RED is going to try to compete in that space at all. they are not about competing in existing marketplaces...i think their model is to create new marketplaces. when they first discussed the 4K camera and the RAW workflow, there was a lot of noise about the lack of market for such a thing. which turned out to be wrong...

RED works on the "if we build it, they will come" model...a pro-active, rather than re-active model. they don't seem to compete in already-crowded spaces, and you can get amazing cameras at those price points, not as amazing as RED, but surely amazing options already exist. i'm sure i'm not the only one still wondering if one RED is a better investment for my company than 3 EX-1s....

but RED would be smart to let the big four duke it out for that space...the trickleware is coming faster and harder than ever, with the majors competing every six months against their own product line.

what would be the point of RED getting a hand in that game?

i believe that RED will go where the air is. so i think that whatever SCARLET is, it will be wholly unique. but what it WON'T be is a dumbed-down RED....

which may disappoint a lot of people. but will undoubtedly juice a lot of us as well. innovation, not imitation.

Bing Bailey

01-22-2008, 09:15 AM

Carl Larsen

01-22-2008, 09:25 AM

Whatever scarlet is, I know it's going to be a professional masterpiece - HVX killer or not. However, I'd love to see what red would come up with to fit in that market space, as it is such a larger niche compared to the traditional definition of what is considered "cinema".

As if they don't have enough on their plate already, I'd love to encourage RED to take a stab at making the ultimate prosumer camera.

Keeping my fingers crossed that scarlet will somehow be both...

Russ McDonald

01-22-2008, 09:31 AM

Well given jim's comments earlier about showing sony a thing or two at NAB. I think RED is looking to take away sony's other markets. why wouldn't they. I don't consider a 2k or 1080p dumbed down. RED will sell thousands of RED ONES, but they could sell 10's of thousands of scarlets.

it makes little sense to have scarlet just be a companion to RED ONE. lots of folks can't afford the 30k it takes to get a RED ONE with the parts you need and at least a Zoom Lens. so yes I see Jim and the Gang eating sonys lunch in other ways and why not. it would certainly allow them to monetize all the knowledge they've built up during development of the red one in a much greater way

Dark

I think you right here, I think we are going to see a 2k with variable frame rates, interchangeable lenses (I hope it will be EOS lenses or any cannon consumer lenses) Defiantly CF Card, with a foldout 2k LCD, but who knows.

If I were you I would rent gear until we all find out what happens at NAB.

Shawn Nelson

01-22-2008, 09:47 AM

Bing Bailey

01-22-2008, 09:54 AM

shawn ,

do you have the inside track ? :) LOL Im not sure a lipstick cam would do anything to make sony look up

Bing Bailey

01-22-2008, 09:58 AM

Shawn,

any new footage from you ? I was very impressed with the footage you put out already.

Bing Bailey

01-22-2008, 10:03 AM

planet e

01-22-2008, 10:14 AM

"pocket" and "interchangeable lens mount" are pretty antithetical.

and i think the comment about showing sony a few tricks was directed towards the 4K display arena--like i said, they go where the air is. lots of air there, and suddenly a high demand, created by an exploding RED camera user base.

there are many areas that they can compete with sony...it doesn't mean that it will be in the already-crowded prosumer space.

Juan Kaballero

01-22-2008, 10:19 AM

1 pocket for scarlet and many for the lenses!

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/509902-REG/Adventure_Vest_BAV1002_Professional_Photographer_s _Vest_with.html

Jeff Kilgroe

01-22-2008, 10:21 AM

Well given jim's comments earlier about showing sony a thing or two at NAB. I think RED is looking to take away sony's other markets.

In time, I suppose RED will do that, or at least make an attempt. For now, RED is focusing on the high end of the pro market. Cinema cameras, 4K digital projection, 4K editing, delivery, etc.. I haven't read anything in Jim's comments that makes me think RED is going to try and school Sony in a prosumer market segment. At least not yet.

I'm agreeing with Planet e on this one. And William's comment about a 4K lipstick cam is entirely valid here.

To me, RED's emphasis on "pocket" says we are getting a camera that will fit entirely in a common pocket - jacket pocket, shirt pocket, etc..

I'm considering the possibility that the "pocket" emphasis may just be referring to the camera body, but I'm guessing not. And even so, people wishing for PL and/or SLR lens mounts on a "pocket" camera must wear apparel with much larger pockets than mine. A 35mm lens mount does not relate "pocket" to me.

RED is pushing for 4K acquisition and 4K delivery. I really don't see Scarlet being anything less than a 4K camera. Just like the RED One, I think Scarlet was originally intended to be a 2K camera. And I'm betting that has changed just like everything else. ...I bet Scarlet is going to fit into a $7.5K to $10K price range.

Bing Bailey

01-22-2008, 10:23 AM

the space is never crowded if you're doing something significantly better than the competition. what we do see from jvc and panny and canon is you tinkering around the edges. changing a few things here and there.

RED doesn't thinker around the edges. pocket and interchangeable lens mount in a normal environment would be antithetical. but RED isn't working in the same bubble as the other guys. so who can tell whats normal now. 4k certainly wasn't anything normal 2 years ago. in fact a lot of the boys in the bubble said it was impossible in the time frame and for the cost.

I think RED is all about changing whats considered the NORM

Bing Bailey

01-22-2008, 10:25 AM

Jeff,

us younger folks with our hip hop clothes have some very large pockets :) LOL

Jeff Kilgroe

01-22-2008, 10:56 AM

Haha. It's true that we don't know the size of pocket RED is referring to. :)

Anyway, like the rest of y'all, everything I posted is complete speculation. Who knows, Scarlet could be the ultimate prosumer camcorder, 2K, variable frame rates, CF / HDD recording, etc..

The only thing I keep thinking in relation to Scarlet is that it probably has a fixed lens or uses smaller interchangeable lenses (not 35mm). As soon as you put a 35mm mount on a camera, the term pocket just seems to no longer apply -- at least that's my thinking.

And yes, RED is showing everyone what is possible.

FWIW, I hope RED does make a killer camera that will stomp all over the EX1 and others in that range. I just don't think Scarlet is that camera. Anyway, NAB is close. Wait for the NAB announcements and then make your camera choice.

The EX1 and HVX are both fine cameras. I also think the HPX500 is a very good camera too. But at that price point you may as well buy a RED and get something a whole lot better. :)

simonfilm

01-22-2008, 11:22 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CineAlta

"For Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith the more advanced Sony HDC-950 was used, with higher resolution and better color reproduction than its predecessor. The film was cropped to a 2.35:1 aspect ratio from its native 16:9 frame. As a result only 817 of the 1080 vertical pixels were actually used;"

So why we would want a 4K HV20 sized camera? For most indies 4K is not necessary. At that size the pixels would be very, very small....

A 1080p raw with super 35 sensor is enough. Goodbye to 35 mm adapters.

So apart from our pocket sizes the camera should use 35mm SLR lenses.

What do you prefer 4K without DOF control or 1080 with 35mm DOF?

Simon

Brent J. Craig

01-22-2008, 11:30 AM

So apart from our pocket sizes the camera should use 35mm SLR lenses.

BUT a 35mm SLR does not fit in your pocket. That is the point!

Andrew Hewlett

01-22-2008, 11:55 AM

BUT a 35mm SLR does not fit in your pocket. That is the point!

My Rebel TX camera fits in my pocket. The lens doesn't. We're also not thinking that there is a difference between camera and lens. Is RED ONE a camera, or is RED ONE with a B4 lens attach constitute a camera? Now if Jim and company said Scarlet will be an all in one pocket camera, then all of our guess work would be different. (Plus I'm sure they are reading this trying to give people what they want, and I haven't see anyone mention they want a lipstick cinema camera.)

Also, why would they make a cinema camera without the key feature of what gives cinema its look - DOF? They didn't say a Pocket Video/ENG Camera, they stated it was a pocket Cinema camera.

Note, I can barely get my XT with a 50mm lens in my pant pocket. Coat pocket, no problem.

Bing Bailey

01-22-2008, 12:03 PM

only 3 months left til NAB, blah

Jeff Kilgroe

01-22-2008, 12:06 PM

Also, why would they make a cinema camera without the key feature of what gives cinema its look - DOF?

There's a lot more to creating a cinema look than having shallow DOF. There are a great many cinematic films / movies that do not use shallow DOF.

Andrew Hewlett

01-22-2008, 12:09 PM

There's a lot more to creating a cinema look than having shallow DOF. There are a great many cinematic films / movies that do not use shallow DOF.

True. I guess thats just my "hope". I love my Red Rock M2, but it'd be nice to have a nice image with good color space, gamma and glass without extra weight and bulk.

rupertmac

01-22-2008, 02:52 PM

There's a lot more to creating a cinema look than having shallow DOF. There are a great many cinematic films / movies that do not use shallow DOF.

Think 'Citizen Kane' folks

Ravell

01-22-2008, 03:03 PM

I still think it's funny that even though no information has been released (well, practically nothing) that people are 100% sure this will be a HVX or EX killer.

Guys, what if is just a 4k lipstick cam?
Couldn't agree more. The fact that this is a "pocket" camera and "complementary" to Red One have me thinking that a lipstick cam is very, very likely.

Hey, I'd love to see an HVX/EX1 "killer" from Red. But they're not in the video camera market and I really don't think that's what Scarlet is. People are foaming at the mouth for what they clearly think or hope will be an inexpensive mini-Red. I tend to think they're going to be disappointed.

Fergus Meiklejohn

01-22-2008, 03:42 PM

You may well be right Ravell: it is a question of whether RED intend to compete in such a mass market as the EX1/HVX arena.

IF Scarlet were a lipstick cam I think I'd buy an EX1 (or improved version..)

Also, RED set out to make a Digital Cinema Camera in the RED1, and they have achieved that: the picture is good, REDCODE works.. But it is not at all suited to small productions especially EFP work: it's quite big, heavy and unwieldy, it has lots of issues (like boot time) and most importantly the audio seems to be practically unusable (because there are no audio pots and the camera fan makes noise after 15-20 minutes, presumably meaning that sound from an on-camera mic would not be usable..).

Anyway, this is a SCARLET forum so my point is:
RED1 may not be such a great camera for EFP/ENG, If SCARLET were a lipstick cam then there are LOADS of independent EFP/ENG people currently fascinated by RED who would not be buying either camera..

Juan Kaballero

01-22-2008, 04:31 PM

Think 'Citizen Kane' folks

That’s right

planet e

01-22-2008, 09:03 PM

Couldn't agree more. The fact that this is a "pocket" camera and "complementary" to Red One have me thinking that a lipstick cam is very, very likely.

Hey, I'd love to see an HVX/EX1 "killer" from Red. But they're not in the video camera market and I really don't think that's what Scarlet is. People are foaming at the mouth for what they clearly think or hope will be an inexpensive mini-Red. I tend to think they're going to be disappointed.

that was my point as well. the features that seem to be on many wish-lists do not seem congruent with the (admittedly minimal) details that we actually know about it.

"pocket" and "will not compete with RED ONE"--just don't add up to the ultimate prosumer camera, which would not fit in my pocket and WOULD compete with RED ONE. it fits neither of these descriptors.

as for an actual lipstick cam--that's a pretty specialized bit of gear. and i'm not sure why they would use the designation "pocket" which implies a walk-around unit. that's why i'm thinking small form factor, good for a crash cam, something that can inter-cut easily with RED but with unique ergonomics. handycam for pros.

i'm not saying this is the camera that i *want* RED to make (though i'd probably buy one as a replacement walkaround and give my existing HV20 walkaround cam to my PA)--it just seems to fit the existing criteria.

Paul Leeming

01-23-2008, 02:34 AM

Why not have it be modular with a cable running from the camera head to the recorder portion?

Think one of those CF Photo Storage vaults mated with a lipstick type head unit, able to be head mounted like those video head units you see all the time in movies like Aliens, Contact etc?

If it was 2K or even 1080p it could revolutionise on-the-spot news gathering in a BIG way with a real "being there" feeling.

Again, only my speculation....

:)

Paul

Bing Bailey

01-23-2008, 06:16 AM

Im not quite sure thats the way it will be. even with the few things jim said. he implied this was going to be a product that would be sold to many many people not just the reservation holders of the REDONE. that says to me MASS Market. if it is mass market it has to be a camera that fishes in the same 5 to 10k market that sony, jvc,panny and canon are in. prosumer is such a dirty word. the only people keeping those cameras in that bubble is the companies I've listed. who says RED couldn't or wouldn't want to pull those people spending 5k to 10k in to the PRO PRO world.

I hate that word anyway. what consumer even advanced consumer is spending 6k on a camera to record birthday parties. very few. wedding videographers maybe. but I'm sure they consider themselves professionals just in a different field to TV and Cinema.

Mark A. Beal

01-23-2008, 07:45 AM

... even with the few things jim said. he implied this was going to be a product that would be sold to many many people not just the reservation holders of the REDONE. that says to me MASS Market...

I agree. Since Jim has indicated he expects to sell LOTS of these cameras, I tend to doubt it will be a lipstick camera -- that's just a very small niche, no matter how good the image is. But there are many of us who would willingly forgo a lot of features (even variable frame rates) in order to get our hands on a basic camera capable of cinema quality images. And as wildly underpriced as the Red One is, it's still out of reach for most indie filmmakers. I think the idea that Red and Scarlet won't compete could be seen in the way that an Aaton and CP16 don't compete, although they can both be used for the same purpose.

Bing Bailey

01-23-2008, 08:07 AM

planet e

01-23-2008, 09:21 AM

I don't believe it should be only for a priviledged few. everybody needs to be part of the RED Revolution

there are a lot of people who would call $10K a ton of money and a $10K camera a luxury that few people can afford. same with $5K--that's a princely sum for most people, actually. it's always "for a privileged few" until it hits your personal price point...then it's suddenly for "everybody..."

just sayin'...

Bing Bailey

01-23-2008, 09:26 AM

yeah but the rental rates on a 5k camera would be very doable even for the poorest pockets.

Gavin Greenwalt

01-23-2008, 11:27 AM

I don't think it'll be a lipstick camera. It wouldn't be able to reuse any of the existing RED R&D.

Juan Kaballero

01-23-2008, 12:01 PM

it's a cinema camera

I supose, with no tape mechanisme, probably with no lens...
so 5000$ for me it's the maximun i will go for!

sloz

01-23-2008, 02:22 PM

there are a lot of people who would call $10K a ton of money and a $10K camera a luxury that few people can afford. same with $5K--that's a princely sum for most people, actually. it's always "for a privileged few" until it hits your personal price point...then it's suddenly for "everybody..."

just sayin'...

but there is an important step between 5k to 10k.
obviously it´s not the same "luxury".
that´s the point for "everybody"

Sergio Perez

01-23-2008, 08:55 PM

For a literally pocket camera there's already the Iconix camera, which someone posted here.

I do not want a POV shaky cam. I want something in a DVX/HVX/EX form factor.

2k is plenty enough- and variable frame rates. And built in CF recording.

If you have a good fixed lens, than I wouldn't mind losing the interchangeable lens feature- I could buy a 35mm adaptor instead. Just make sure the sensor is 35mm full frame.

Iconix camera is a very niche product. I wouldn't believe this would be a wise next step for RED.

"Sony pisses them off"- so it'll certainly be a product that does the same to Sony- and that I can see happening on the professional market (where RED aims to establish itself) were Sony profits more- the ENG and prosumer markets.

So I believe everyone believing it is an HVX/EX competing product should be spot on.

Stephen Gentle

01-23-2008, 10:58 PM

I see won't compete as they won't both be 4k. although it makes sense to have the sensor be 4k but only scale and record to 2k or window 2k. we'll all know very very soon. I'm not elitist about it. I hope the tools become available and cheap enough that we can all use them. I don't believe it should be only for a priviledged few. everybody needs to be part of the RED Revolution

I doubt they would do that - scaling 4K to 2K takes up a lot of processing power - way to much to have in a pocket camera without using a control unit or something. Windowing could be done, but I personally think that would be pointless, because making a 35mm 2K sensor would not only be cheaper, but have much larger photosites, which means better sensitivity (and you'd get 35mm DOF).

I personally think it'll be a 2K sensor, probably S16mm sized. 35mm would be nice for DOF and sensitivity, but that would need better lenses, wouldn't it?

Nathan Garofalos

01-23-2008, 11:16 PM

Most likely you'll need great glass to get that DOF and sharpness you're looking for. If RED had a zoom lens that was 18mm-150mm T1.6 that wasn't interchangeable on Scarlet, with a s35mm sensor recording at 2k, that would be simply amazing.

Shawn Nelson

01-23-2008, 11:24 PM

Nathan Garofalos

01-23-2008, 11:26 PM

Hey, I can dream can't I lol.

Sergio Perez

01-24-2008, 12:59 AM

Lol, 18-150mm T1.6? :-)

Hey, if it was 22mm to 150 T 1.8 I would still be happy! :)

Joseph Hutson

01-26-2008, 08:28 AM

I suppose, with no tape mechanisme

RED has committed to NO tape.

HALLELUJAH!!!

denis

01-26-2008, 09:21 AM

The biggest problem that RED seems to face is "how long will it take them to get a product to market?"

If they could get a few thousand Scarlets in the marketplace within a month or so of NAB... they would clean-up.

Fergus Meiklejohn

01-26-2008, 03:10 PM

It's interesting to read Jon's FAQ's..
About NAB: Scarlet is described again as "Pocket", he talks about a "4K delivery system" (projector, monitors?) and calls that the "tip of the iceberg".

Happy Days:biggrin:

zak forrest

01-26-2008, 06:37 PM

RED has committed to NO tape.

HALLELUJAH!!!

its pretty silly to even think for a second that red would have something record to tape

zak forrest

01-26-2008, 06:37 PM

Hey, if it was 22mm to 150 T 1.8 I would still be happy! :)

if you're going to dream, it should be 1.3...

cckid

01-26-2008, 06:41 PM

the thing thas is so contradictory is pocket and professional in the same camera...never been seen before....that's what's causing a whole debate sharade around here....myself like many many other vote in favor of professional and not in favor of pocket....if needed I can always stretch those a little bit to fit the camera in...cmon Jim bring this hvx/ex1 killer we are all secretly hoping for...but watchout don't make it a red one killer too....)

Stephen Gentle

01-26-2008, 11:13 PM

I really hope they are ready to ship immediately after NAB... Because I have a project around May or June I have to do, and whatever Scarlet is, it will probably be a lot better than the PD-170s that I might have to use...

I really hope it's not a fixed lens - I have some Nikon glass I'd love to use on it.

killfilm

01-27-2008, 12:00 AM

I dont believe scarlet has a market place for a literally "pocket" camera, no one wants to shoot their full length feature with a small pocket camera.

The market is huge, if scarlet is that HVX/EX1 killer professional camera.

No competition to red, but has its own market possibly up to 1080p or 2K

We can shoot with the scarlet just like an HVX or over the shoulder

but if this is just a neat pocket device, not too many people want to hold a camera the size of uncle biff's small camera. thats the truth.

Nathan Garofalos

01-27-2008, 12:10 AM

Maybe its a bunch of parts, that come apart and fit in your pockets!!!

I am really anxious to see what they come out with. I hope it comes with interchangeable lenses, but with a lens when you buy the camera.

cckid

01-27-2008, 01:25 AM

aaahhh...it's gonna be a long wait to NAB...but hopefully well worth it...

cckid

01-27-2008, 01:27 AM

and if it is a hvx/ex1 killer, it could be the ideal b-camera for red one...and that would be just awesome...

Joseph Hutson

01-29-2008, 09:03 PM

but if this is just a neat pocket device, not too many people want to hold a camera the size of uncle biff's small camera. thats the truth.

I agree, but I DO believe it will be a "pocket camera".

Look at the Red One's "body", then look at the accessories. I believe the body will be pocket sized, yet the Scarlet will have a list of accessories just like the Red One. Including lens sets, rods, mattebox, and other things.

In the following interview, Ted talks about how the camera can have all of the extras taken off, and shoot "handheld" or on a steadicam...I believe the same about the Scarlet.

http://www.freshdv.com/kmiller/video/nab07_red_ted_interview_720p.mov

It will just be a little smaller body.

Bing Bailey

01-30-2008, 06:49 AM

My original query was how soon did we think we'd get a shipping scarlet after NAB. if its going to be a year thats not as exciting as yeah we will have it this year.

Joseph Hutson

01-30-2008, 08:49 AM

My original query was how soon did we think we'd get a shipping scarlet after NAB. if its going to be a year thats not as exciting as yeah we will have it this year.

I am sorry...I guess that will be STRICT speculation...I don't see anyway that we could know. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a limited amunt for sale at NAB...they have been working on this project quite some time.

By the way, http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=k1v0kv.4.39

Bing Bailey

01-30-2008, 08:52 AM

Very Nice :)

Joseph Hutson

01-30-2008, 08:54 AM

Very Nice :)

something else...

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=k1v0kv.4.10

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=k1v0kv.4.50

Bing Bailey

01-30-2008, 08:55 AM

So Scarlet is a 2k camera , nice , this is great news and partially confirms what I've been thinking. Gentlemen I think we are getting a hvx/ex1 2k killer

Joseph Hutson

01-30-2008, 08:59 AM

I believe the USPTO is a reliable source of info too.

Bing Bailey

01-30-2008, 09:00 AM

FYI .....

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IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Leasing or rental of cinema equipment and systems for use in the creation, storage, delivery, manipulation, recording, playback or viewing of video, music, graphics and audio and video broadcasting in a specified image format

IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Development of new technology for others in the field of image format technology involving or relating to the dissemination, broadcast or transmission of video, music, graphics, photos, audio, text, multimedia, computer programs and data in a specified image format, and consultation related thereto
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Buck Forester

02-04-2008, 10:43 AM

...they are not about competing in existing marketplaces...i think their model is to create new marketplaces.

You may be right, but I don't think Jim is afraid of jumping in to a competitive marketplace and carving out a handsome chunk of marketshare. He did well with sunglasses without creating a new market. Just make 'em better at a price people are willing to pay, and apply the right leadership/marketing, and you have a formula for success no matter what market you're in.

Kholi Hicks

02-12-2008, 12:09 AM

End of 2009.

ChrisLyon

02-12-2008, 12:51 AM

What do you prefer 4K without DOF control or 1080 with 35mm DOF?
Huh?

And 4k is never overkill for indie if filmout is a desired outcome. The only reason not to shoot 4k is.... well there is no reason in my eyes. It's HDD space... which is cheap.

Kelly

02-12-2008, 01:45 AM

I think you should all just come visit us at NAB this year :-)

Patrick Jennings

02-12-2008, 02:40 AM

riot?

Rocco Schult

02-12-2008, 04:15 AM

I think you should all just come visit us at NAB this year :-)

Will there be some event, I mean, kinda lika evening ?
Finances are tight, and I am thinking comin' over just for a day.
Arriving in the mornin' and headin' home in the evening. pffff.
Wouldn't make sense if you all are partying all night... - any hint..?

Jimbo777

02-13-2008, 04:28 AM

"Well given jim's comments earlier about showing sony a thing or two at NAB."

Sorry, I missed this and can't find them in the search function, where were these comments please?

Cheers

gaoptimize

02-13-2008, 07:21 AM

...I hate that word anyway. what consumer even advanced consumer is spending 6k on a camera to record birthday parties. very few.

You know what, I am sorry for everyone that does not treasure the very special moments in their life enough to spend even $10K on a high quality video camera and NLE (we use Sony Vegas 8). Instead, they drive their BMWs while I drive my Hyundai. You probably have no idea of the pleasure we get out of reliving our vacations, our toddler's development, beautiful sensual encounters, and life's milestones in Widescreen DVD and sharing those things with intimate friends and family (who are nearly always in awe.. "you can do that?!").

I can't wait for an outstanding quality 1080p camera to match with a blueray burner, and will continue to hope Scarlet will be that camera.