9mm with Sound...kind of.

[Andrew Walker]

The sound on this clip was recorded on the Red camera. I took it off of one of the proxy files and synced them up in FCP. Sounds okay for just hooking the mic up and not doing any adjustment to the levels.

http://599productions.com/RED_files/9mmWeb.mov

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

did you mount a shotgun mic on the camera? How did you do it?

[sander kamp]

Creepy...

[Andrew Walker]

I had the mic mounted to my HVX that was sitting right next to the Red getting backup sound, just incase the audio on the Red wasn't going to happen.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Only in America... :)

[Andrew Walker]

Yep, only in a free country.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

WTF!! Where did that come from?

I was referring to the image of a person with covered face shooting in a background of dry nature and cactuses. It is maybe news to you but it's something you don't see everyday where i come from! Anyway, i am glad you live in a free country too and i also loved the clip's audio.

[roryhinds]

children with weapons... how grown up.

[Kjetil Haugen]

I'm kinda scared now.. Assassins doing RED tests...

[Andrew Walker]

Sorry Miltos...if that's what you really meant by that "...only in America" comment. Arizona is in the desert so you see a lot of cactus out there. As far as the bandana goes, I wear it when I go up snowboarding and when I don't want my face to be seen.

Rory, how old do you think I am? I guess by some people's measurement of age I'm a child. But I think a person in their late 20's is an adult.

Glad you guys like the sound. So takes notes, that's what a real silencer sounds like. Not the Hollywood version.

[Andrew Walker]

Are you more scared that there could be an assassin out there with a silencer or a Red camera. I mean you know why he would have a silencer but what in the "f" is he doing with a Red camera.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

In the early 90s i was doing my obligatory 18 months of army service here in Greece where i was given the mobile ground-to-air-missile speciality. I sure wish i had a RED back then when i fired those Stinger missiles. :)

[Andrew Walker]

That would look pretty cool to see a stinger at 75fps or even in 4K.

[Kjetil Haugen]

Are you more scared that there could be an assassin out there with a silencer or a Red camera. I mean you know why he would have a silencer but what in the "f" is he doing with a Red camera.

Might be a new trend in the assassin community. We can only speculate. Many people need off'ing these days and I can understand the need to get ahead of the competition...

[Miltos Pilalitos]

That would look pretty cool to see a stinger at 75fps or even in 4K.

Just dont shoot an OTS shot! You would regret it! hehehe

[Andrew Walker]

Yeah an OTS shot would be the end of the camera and the person behind the stinger. Well they would at the very least loose their sight.

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

...what in the "f" is he doing with a Red camera.

LOL!

The silencer sound is interesting.. it's not actually "silent" is it..? Unless the audio is turned way up?

I don't think I had ever heard one before.

[Tony Lorentzen]

Arizona is in the desert so you see a lot of cactus out there.

Yeah - but is it legal to fire live rounds outside of a shooting range? :unsure:

So - what else is in the trunk? An M82? :usd:

[Zach Hilton]

Yeah - but is it legal to fire live rounds outside of a shooting range? :unsure:

So - what else is in the trunk? An M82? :usd:

Sure. Used to go shotgun shooting all the time up in the Utah mountains. "Pull!"

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

I can hear some buzzing, possibly from the camera. Was the mic on camera, or close?

Pretty creepy otherwise :).

[Andrew Walker]

Fergus, the silencer isn't totally quiet like everyone is lead to believe. A .22 silenced with sub-sonic ammo is about as quiet as your going to get. The 9mm sounds like a nail gun going off, the .22 like a BB gun.

Tony, its legal to shoot out in the desert. All you have to do is be 500 ft from and paved road, outside of city limits and not shooting towards any dwelling, abandoned or otherwise. As long as your safe and respectful out there you don't get in trouble...well at least in AZ. California is a different story.

Karapetkov, the buzzing sound I believe your hearing are some of the bullets ricocheting of the rocks.

[Salem Kapic]

Yep, only in a free country.


Free country or not... I will send this Thread to LAPD!:devil:

[Clayton Harper]

Drew,

Whatcha got there? A Glock 19?

[Andrew Walker]

Yeah its a Glock 19 and its one of my favorite weapons.

Salemas, that's not even a funny joke and it wouldn't matter anyways because this was all shot out in AZ where I live half the time. I keep all my class 3 and title 2 weapons out there. As is required by law. So you could send them this thread and they couldn't do anything because I haven't admitted to breaking any state or federal laws.

[Bing Bailey]

there is something profoundly disturbing about this. but its cool too

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Dunno about the Glock, but I'm hearing some low-level buzz that's definitely not connected to the scene. Don't take it personally. :)

You can put the volume up in monitors\headphones and you'll hear it, it's throughout, but most evident in the beginning, before the shots.

P.S. I personally prefer Colt, just to Make Sure. :)

[Martin Drew]

Dunno about the Glock, but I'm hearing some low-level buzz that's definitely not connected to the scene. Don't take it personally. :)

You can put the volume up in monitors\headphones and you'll hear it, it's throughout, but most evident in the beginning, before the shots.

P.S. I personally prefer Colt, just to Make Sure. :)

Yes. There is some odd noise there, sounds like the microphone could be picking up some hum from the camera, also some kind of crosstalk in the background, I can hear a male voice and coughing buried in the noise. What was the mic and what was the cable like?

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[Salem Kapic]

Yeah its a Glock 19 and its one of my favorite weapons.

Salemas, that's not even a funny joke and it wouldn't matter anyways because this was all shot out in AZ where I live half the time. I keep all my class 3 and title 2 weapons out there. As is required by law. So you could send them this thread and they couldn't do anything because I haven't admitted to breaking any state or federal laws.


helooo000o00... this is joke only!!!

[Andrew Walker]

I turned my speakers up all the way and didn't hear what you did. All I could hear was the buzz off the bullets when they hit the ground.

Colt does make some nice stuff. But they are total dicks and make it very hard for civilians to get there products. Bushmaster, LMT and a couple others make some good ARs.

Also Salemas, you shouldn't threaten members of this board when you don't know what your talking about and when you live in another country.

[Andrew Walker]

I listened to the audio of the clip again and I can kind of hear what your talking about. But it kind of sounds like the suppressor being threaded on or the material of the jacket. Also there was someone behind the camera and that's the voice you heard. Also the mic was a SENNHEISER ME-66/K6 and it was hooked up to a 50' XLR that was resting on the ground.

[Martin Drew]

Just a thought but I would check the screen is continuous on that cable, I wonder if it is picking up a bit of RF. Listen on headphones you will hear it instantly. It is continuous in the background but most noticeable right at the beginning before the gun is fired.

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[Salem Kapic]

.... when you live in another country.

Ok ... call LAPD

[albert rudnicki]

It's disturbing...

[Dave Cooper]

I'm not hearing any buzzing, only the sounds associated with a gun firing.

When I first saw the thread title I was thinking a 9mm lens but at the same time thought "Shouldn't it be an 8mm lens?" After clicking, I knew what I was in for. How about setting the camera up behind you and showing us that perspective?

[Adrian T.]

The buzzing sounds like the camera fan.

What was the fan setting?
What was the ambient temperature?
How was the mic positioned relative to the camera?

[Martin Drew]

I'm not hearing any buzzing, only the sounds associated with a gun firing.

Try with headphones.

I have isolated the first 3 seconds before the gun is fired, brought up the level during the quiet bit so you can hear the hum, you can also make out the voices in the background, then dropped the level back down immediately before the gun is fired

available as mp3 here (http://www.blueprint-dev.com/martin/9mmweb.mp3)

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[Han Mivsnew]

Yep, only in a free country.

You many more funny compare you think.
You many more anger compare you should.
Is the best to shoot is the Red camera.

[Greg M]

Yeah - but is it legal to fire live rounds outside of a shooting range? :unsure:

So - what else is in the trunk? An M82? :usd:

shooting is not the part of this thats illegal...its the silencer.

[Andrew Walker]

The silencer is only illegal in certain states. In AZ where I live half of the time if you can buy a gun you can buy a silencer. As I said before the ATF has to be dealt with in order to take possession of a silencer and you have to pay the ATF a $200 tax on the item. Plus you need to get finger printed and photographed by the local sheriff office. That's if you don't form a trust for the items to go into.

So people please understand and I'll type slow and in big letters.
SILENCERS ARE NOT ILLEGAL

[Brook Willard]

As a man who has has filled out suppressor ownership paperwork [a friend purchased a suppressor for his M1 Carbine so he could shoot on his own property without irritating the neighbors], I can assure you that Drew is correct.

[Andrew Walker]

Thanks for backing me up Brook.

[Craig W. Bickerstaff]

I'm just disappointed that after all these years the hollywood silencer noise was such a huge lie (well not really).
Does make me wonder what the hollywood sound actually is though.

[Andrew Walker]

In some films they make it sound real. Towards the end of the "Bourne Identity" there are some that sound pretty close. Also in "Patriot Games" when a silenced pistol is used. There are ways to make them quieter by adding grease or some kind of liquid to the can. But I think that only lowers it 9-15db and only works for two clips. But I don't think that most people that use pistol silencers in the field get into gun battles with them. Having them on rifles and sub-machine guns is a different story.

[Brook Willard]

Subsonic ammunition with certain suppressors can be astonishingly quiet. None of the water droplet sound that you get in a movie, but little more noise than the bolt cycling and the slug hitting its target.

[Andrew Walker]

The ammo used in this clip was subsonic, 147 grain does the job pretty good.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

The sound on this clip was recorded on the Red camera. I took it off of one of the proxy files and synced them up in FCP. Sounds okay for just hooking the mic up and not doing any adjustment to the levels.

http://599productions.com/RED_files/9mmWeb.mov

i want to know is it 15 or 16 bullets fired from that pistol

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

147 grain does the job pretty good.

which job ...??:calm: :ohmy: is somebody hurt ??:biggrin:

[Andrew Walker]

Bassam, the clip holds 15 shots but I only loaded 13 into it. The job I was talking about was making the bullets subsonic. Because the bullets are heavier they travel a little slower. Just under the sound barrier. I usually use 115 grain bullets when shooting without the silencer. But when its on I try to make it as quiet as possible. The 115 grain bullets make a little sonic boom as they leave the gun.

[Dave Cooper]

Try with headphones.
available as mp3 here (http://www.blueprint-dev.com/martin/9mmweb.mp3)


Ha, well when you put it that way. Must be a headphone thing or maybe with some high quality monitors you can hear it. Thanks for pointing it out.


Bassam, the clip holds 15 shots...

You'd be owing alot of push-ups if you said that around any type of instructor.

And if anyone wants to hear Hollywood quiet rifles try the De-Lisle. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYuxpL7vayM&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYuxpL7vayM&feature=related

EDIT: Odd how a hyperlink isn't a different color on this forum, the word De-Lisle is a link...hmm.

[Brook Willard]

Rankio, that crack you hear when he fires is supersonic ammunition breaking the sound barrier.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68qmWCawX-o&feature=related)'s an example of subsonics being used in an MP5SD6 that gives a better idea of the "bolt" sound I'm referring to. Compare the volume of the road noise and voices to the volume of the weapon.

Anyway, this thread has slipped into OT.

[Andrew Walker]

I call the mags that go into pistols "clips" and the ones that go into rifles "mags". But hey that's just me.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

I call the mags that go into pistols "clips" .

do you have some M16 test examples . :biggrin: i like it very much

[Dave Cooper]

Rankio, that crack you hear when he fires is supersonic ammunition breaking the sound barrier.

Did you listen to the MP3? The first 3sec does sound like a wind tunnel with some voices, then he racks the slide. I didn't hear any cracks in that.

[Andrew Walker]

There is this thing called first round pop on a silencer. Its when the O2 in the silencer ignites from the first round being fired. After the first round pop the silencer gets quieter. All the ammo I was using in that clip was subsonic.

[Adrian T.]

I thought this was a camera forum and not a weapons forum... :wacko:

Could someone please answer my questions? I really wonder about the disturbing buzzing sound.


The buzzing sounds like the camera fan.

What was the fan setting?
What was the ambient temperature?
How was the mic positioned relative to the camera?

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

I thought this was a camera forum and not a weapons forum... :wacko:

.

it is camera forum studying weapons :gun:sound effect audio levels

[Brook Willard]

Did you listen to the MP3? The first 3sec does sound like a wind tunnel with some voices, then he racks the slide. I didn't hear any cracks in that.

I was referring to that youtube clip you posted.

[Andrew Walker]

Lebowski, the temp out there was about in the mid 60's. So the fans were barely on. Like I said before the really noticeable noise in the clip that sounds weird is the sound of the bullets hitting the rocks on the ground.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

The sound is pretty scary otherwise... naturalistic. Me likes :devil: .

FIY, I'm not a fan of guns or whatever weaponry, but they're useful in movies :bleh:.

[Adrian T.]

Lebowski, the temp out there was about in the mid 60's. So the fans were barely on. Like I said before the really noticeable noise in the clip that sounds weird is the sound of the bullets hitting the rocks on the ground.

You mean the shells, right? I don't think their sound's wrong. I hear shells hitting rocks. :biggrin:

But I'm still disturbed by the ongoing buzz. If it wasn't the camera's fan then maybe a car's fan was still running? Or there was some other ambient noise by a factory or something?

It's mainly in the lower frequencies. If you can't hear it in the original clip, then listen to Martin's version:


Try with headphones.

I have isolated the first 3 seconds before the gun is fired, brought up the level during the quiet bit so you can hear the hum, you can also make out the voices in the background, then dropped the level back down immediately before the gun is fired

available as mp3 here (http://www.blueprint-dev.com/martin/9mmweb.mp3)

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[Andrew Walker]

The buzzing sound that I'm talking about is from the bullets hitting the ground. The bullet is the projectile coming out of the front of the gun. When a bullet hits rocks, like the ones that were on the ground, the bullet sometimes changes course and also spins sideways very fast. Its called a ricochet and sometimes the bullet traveling through the air after a ricochet makes a buzzing sound or like the "zinging" sound that you hear in movies of when a shot gets close to someone.

Other than that I have no idea what that sound could be at the very beginning.

[Adrian T.]

The buzzing sound that I'm talking about is from the bullets hitting the ground. The bullet is the projectile coming out of the front of the gun. When a bullet hits rocks, like the ones that were on the ground, the bullet sometimes changes course and also spins sideways very fast. Its called a ricochet and sometimes the bullet traveling through the air after a ricochet makes a buzzing sound or like the "zinging" sound that you hear in movies of when a shot gets close to someone.

Now I know what you mean. That's the reverb of the bullets. It doesn't sound strange. Sounds natural to me.

I'm only concerned about the buzzing sound which is present throughout the whole clip, not only at the beginning.

In the meantime I've heard other clips without buzzing whatsoever. So I think it must be bad microphone placement in relation to the camera or simply ambience.