RED BOTTOM PLATE - Why

[Vigen Vartanov]

Why it's happend.

[Evin Grant]

I've used washers with the Red bottom plate and it seems to eliminate this issue.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

:waaa: is this belong to RED :angry2:

[Vigen Vartanov]

yes Bassam it's belong to Red .

washers is right answer for me , but it is to late :) With next RED BOTTOM PLATE i will youse it.

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

yes Bassam it's belong to Red .

washers is right answer for me , but it is to late :) With next RED BOTTOM PLATE i will youse it.

is this the arri 15 or 19 plate or it is different ?:waaa:

[Finner]

is this the arri 15 or 19 plate or it is different ?:waaa:

No my mustachiod friend. That plate is part of the red production pack.

From what I have seen of the build strength and quality of the 15 and 19mm RED/ARRI plates that are built by Element Technica you would have to drive a dump truck over them to do any real dammage. Even then the ET plate would probably be okay.

[Vigen Vartanov]

No Tracks , Just 20 Times mount and unmout it. :)

[darryl phinnessee]

does the the element technica arri 15mm baseplate support 100mm wide or 60mm wide spacing of rods?

[Finner]

100, it is the typical arri standard for 15mm and for 19mm.

[darryl phinnessee]

/Users/darrylphinnessee/Desktop/RED ONE Rod FAQ/Chrosziel plug adapter for 15mm Lightweight accessories to 15mm Studio rods..jpg

Thanks Finner. (also for your ARRI BASEPLATE video)

so I would need this adaptor for my Chroziel 450-01 Mattebox. (originally purchased for the HVX200 to use with the arri baseplate?

[darryl phinnessee]

sorry I thought I was posting a picture of the chrosziel plug adapter for 15mm Lightweight accessories to 15mm Studio rods on that last post. guess i don't know how to post a picture (jpg) here yet. are some users buying the arri baseplate(s) as an alternative to the red base production pack?

[Tonaci Tran]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/5_1201484406.jpg
I'll upload this for you from Brook's rod faq..though I was forewarned that this particular adaptor will
dig into rods when tightened. No worries a solution is coming soon from ET.

[darryl phinnessee]

Thanks Tonaci!

[Brian Broz]

Ginseng,
I'm not sure what lens you're planning to use, but the Chrosziel 450-01 will not work with the Red 18-50mm as it's rear opening is 110mm (and the lens is 114).

[Andrew Benz]

...are some users buying the arri baseplate(s) as an alternative to the red base production pack?

Yes, but you still need the basic production pack to get a couple pieces (ie-Red Cage, top mount, top handle) that if purchased separately would be more than the basic production pack. Continue to keep your eyes peeled for many solutions coming from ET soon. In the mean time e-mail them and ask for their pdf outlining their first wave of products.

[Brook Willard]

Thanks for posting that, Tony.

Yeah, that adapter is pretty lame... but for $70 instead of Chrosziel's $350... it's not bad. Can't wait to see ET's version.

[darryl phinnessee]

Thanks to you guys for chiming in. I emailed ET to get more info, pictures, details etc. I thought Brooks pic WAS of Chroziel's adapter so I ordered it for $300 plus. I'm now waiting to get the ET info to make some final decisions. So far I've ordered the Birger Mount and plan on getting Canon EF lenses: B & H Priced:
Canon Wide Angle EF 24mm f/1.4L USM Autofocus Lens $1,089.95
Canon Wide Angle EF 35mm f/1.4L USM Autofocus Lens $1,119.00
Canon Normal EF 50mm f/1.4 USM Autofocus Lens $289.95
Canon Telephoto EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM Autofocus Lens $1,664.00
Canon Zoom Super Wide Angle EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM Autofocus Lens $1,349.00
for my immediate arsenal while waiting to find out about the Optar Illumina T1.3/18mm, T1.3/25mm, T1.3/35mm, T1.3/50mm, T1.3/85mm Primes (April 2008?) and their T3 16-64mm Zoom (which I believe will have a smaller diameter than 114mm) At that time I'll look into a larger Mattebox if needed.

darryl

[darryl phinnessee]

I'm also still open to the red lenses. Just want to see the Optar Illumina comparisons. I also own a set of lomo primes from 18mm to 300mm that have the OCT mount that I understand RAF Camera is going to make a mount for the RED.

[Brent J. Craig]

Why it's happend.

When I first saw that piece I thought the metal was pretty thin to keep $20K worth of gear off the ground. The ET solution is better.

[Jaron Berman]

It's cast. Materials that are cast are chosen by how well they flow into a mold. Better flowing materials mean that fewer parts come out incomplete or with air bubbles = more cost effective. But, metal shrinks as it cools, so cast parts have inherent "slop" in terms of sizing tolerance. You can do all the calculations, make the correct molds, and the parts will still shrink differently between batches and molds due to myriad factors. Cast metal does not flex well - it tends to be extremely brittle, so if there's a gap between the part and the mount, and you try to "take in" that space by tightening it further...well you get the situation shown in the picture.

Billet means you can choose a material by its mechanical properties (see: RED new lens mount), and cut it to shape. This is a much more expensive and time consuming process, and the metal itself is more costly. It is also a LOT more accurate. If the machine is properly cooled, the final part can have essentially no deflection due to heat, and accuracy can be measured tighter than 1/1000's of 1". You can and usually do secondary machine cast parts (which is done all over RED), but in the end - the metal is still not as strong as billet for reasons from metalurgy to variations in wall thickness, etc...

The problem is price point. Cine-style accessories may look simple, but there are a lot of tight tolerances and mutually exclusive design constraints. In the world of machined parts, quality costs money. And the great thing is that now RED users have options - the cheap route (RED accessories) to get into the game, or the durable route (Element and soon others) to withstand the rigors and constraints of real situations. RED is doing a lot of pretty incredible things, but promising and sticking to a price that is exponentially lower than their competitors means they are absolutely making sacrifices.

[donatello b]

Why it's happend.

maybe - you are over tightening the bolts ?...
you only need to be "firm" on the tightening - not like tightening the lug nut bolts on your auto wheels ...
same with bolts on top mounts - firm ...

[tj williams]

Don't get the 60mm adapter fm Arri offset 15mm rods.
RED is 19mm 103 or 104mm sep and centered. The only way to use the adapter pictured at the beginiing of this thread is put the 100mm offset arri base plate on the red then adapt to 60mm with the shown part. Why not just adapt straight fm the red rods using their part?????

[Brian Ferguson]

Why it's happend.

Biba, call customer service and they will make it right. I know how we feel, as Jim says "I built this camera for me, I put myself in the customers shoes..."
We have always been on the right side of this kind of product issue. Rest assured. Sorry it happened, it shouldn't, washers all around the areas that 1/4-20 and RED Wingnuts screw in are a good idea. Customer service can help you there. If you have any questions P.M. me.

briferg

[Vigen Vartanov]

Thanks Briferg. Red Team Contact me in PM . They will chage this part.

[chuck colburn]

100, it is the typical arri standard for 15mm and for 19mm.

Finner,
Aren't the 19mm rods on 104mm centers or was that 105mm centers?