Just give me 35mm DOF

[dillont]

That's all I want. I'm ready to buy.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart, RED team. :clown2:

Dillon

[simonfilm]

Arent we really obsessed wtih resolution. Some people, even think that 2K isnt enough and want 4K.

What indie filmmakers really need is shallow DOF and great latitude.

I prefer a 720p (1280x720) with 35mm sensor than a 4K with a 1/3 or 1/2 inch one.

Imagine an affordable camera without the limits of 35mm adapters: light loss, volume and weight, attachment complexity, noise and vibrations, fragility, grain at medium or high f/stops, vigneting, cromatic aberrations, inverted image in some cases, etc.

Yes, someone could say that this kind of camera has some important drawbacks as: diifficult to point and shoot (focus), price of lenses, not very good for travel, etc. But there are a lot of good and more competitive cameras (like HV 20) for that.

[dillont]

Bingo! :)

[Pivko]

Spot on...

Lots of interesting comments and thoughts on this forum. Sure, the size and what it may look like are important.

But at the end of the day a hammer is just a hammer and Scarlet will be just that - a tool used for a job.

I've resisted for too long but this post title just went and sucked me in.

Nikon lens mount, solid state recording, lcd screen and full manual control please.

Cheers,

Simon.

[Paolo Tinari]

...I intend to open eyes and expand minds.


Start with yours. Buy a Red One.

[dillont]

I would if I could justify the expense, which I can't currently ;)

Dillon

[Paolo Tinari]

I would if I could justify the expense, which I can't currently ;)

Dillon

i hear ya, man

[Dj Joofa]

Arent we really obsessed wtih resolution. Some people, even think that 2K isnt enough and want 4K.

What indie filmmakers really need is shallow DOF and great latitude.

I prefer a 720p (1280x720) with 35mm sensor than a 4K with a 1/3 or 1/2 inch one.



It is an unfortunate consequence of a misconception that is harbored many times that higher resolution say 4K, is necessarily better than a lower one, say 2k. Unfortunately, the dynamic range or the bit depth per pixel (say 12-bit per pixel) and camera sensor resolution (say 4k) are often independently quoted, without ever trying to ask the elusive question that given that particular dynamic range, is the advertised resolution the best one, or vice versa?

For a given micron technology size, the dynamic range increases with making the pixel size larger in terms of signal to noise ratio. However, on the other hand making the pixel size smaller results in higher spatial resolution and better modulation transfer function (MTF). Therefore, given a particular technology, there must exist a pixel size that strikes a compromise between high dynamic range and signal to noise ratio on the one hand and spatial resolution and MTF on the other hand. Though, it is not alway immediately clear how to determine that optimal pixel number, and especially how to trade off dynamic range and signal to noise ratio with spatial size and MTF.

Image quality should be the ultimate objective of selecting "optimal" dynamic range and pixel count. Although, the connection is a little fuzzy, it is possible to derive that magical "optimal" pixel count and dynamic range for a given technology under certain constraints.

Marketing would like to throw in those numbers such as 4k, 12 bits per pixel, etc., without satisfying a curious user that for your particular technology:

(1) If I fix bit depth or dynamic range, is the pixel count advertised the most optimal one or a smaller pixel count would have worked better for greater image visual quality?

(2) If I fix pixel count, then is the advertised bit depth the most optimal one or a smaller one would suffice?

[Patrick Jennings]

i read about 2 years ago that people are developing 1 pixel cameras. 1 pixel can see a huge amount of data. we just don't know how to get at it

[Zak Forsman]

this really is necessary for me to purchase it. along with 2k. i'm even okay with a fixed zoom lens if we're talking "priorities". without those two, I'll just continue with plans to rent Red One packages until something worth buying outright comes along.

[combatentropy]

I prefer a 720p (1280x720) with 35mm sensor than a 4K with a 1/3 or 1/2 inch one.

For the past year, I have been working out in my head, and on paper, the ideal balance of features in a camera. I'm interested in what you think: http://combatentropy.com/a_cam_for_all_seasons

This is definitely "paperware." I don't plan on making this myself. Just want to get Sony or Panasonic (or Red!) to make one to these specifications.

[Henk van den Doel]

Combatentropy, I'd buy a camera with roughly those specs straight away and I think the waiting list would be long. Yet I also think that this sort of camera will be released quite soon. Maybe not under 5000 dollars at first, but that also is just a matter of time. Cameras are improving so fast now the last few years, I believe the major things you have on your wish list will be next to be dealt with.

[combatentropy]

Thank you, that's encouraging.

[dillont]

I'd buy that camera too.

I think, however, that the technology is still a few years off (need microprocessors fast enough and cool enough to chunk through that much information (240fps / global shutter??). I don't think the technology is quite there yet, or cheap enough yet. But it will be.

But yes. I'd buy that in a heart beat.

Dillon

[Dj Joofa]

For the past year, I have been working out in my head, and on paper, the ideal balance of features in a camera. I'm interested in what you think: http://combatentropy.com/a_cam_for_all_seasons

This is definitely "paperware." I don't plan on making this myself. Just want to get Sony or Panasonic (or Red!) to make one to these specifications.

Combatentropy,

Its a great list prepared by you. I think very soon we may see cameras with many of the features that you outlined.

[eugene presley]

35 mm dof would be so nice! I think it's not a coincidence RED is making their Nikon Adapter available for shipping in a couple of weeks.
What's going to be released in a couple of weeks also? Exactly! Scarlet...

[arun]

But am looking to make movies which market all over the world with the same standard of hollywood films with 2 k small camera (not too mutch small) not like wht todays film students do shoot in 720p with 35 mm adapters (which cant give the real 35mm DOF look)

[Gordon JL]

For the past year, I have been working out in my head, and on paper, the ideal balance of features in a camera. I'm interested in what you think: http://combatentropy.com/a_cam_for_all_seasons

This is definitely "paperware." I don't plan on making this myself. Just want to get Sony or Panasonic (or Red!) to make one to these specifications.

Very good list of specs Combat, but reading through it, a few things confused me. First, you mentioned that the camera should have a fixed lens; wouldn't interchangeable be better and/or cheaper, since we will be purchasing our own lenses (for those who need cheap, we could purchase still photography lenses). Plus interchangeable is better in that we have many different lenses to choose from depending on what we'd like to shoot.

The list also mentioned that S35mm sensors are smaller than 35mm, but isn't super basically 35mm without the soundtrack, making it bigger? Or is 35mm motion film completely different from 35mm still photography?

Another thing that was mentioned is that having 4K means 4x less latitude, etc.; as if there is a direct correlation, but I thought it actually doesn't matter? Red One is 4K yet it performs great in low light.

The last thing that surprised me is that it assumes global shutter is even possible with CMOS sensors; and you provided a link to a company which offers global shutter sensors to boot! I thought it's always been a consensus that it isn't possible to do? Or have they recently found a solution to the problem?

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

is 35mm motion film completely different from 35mm still photography?


In a movie film camera the film moves vertically through the gate. In a 35mm stills camera it moves horizontally, so the image is larger on a still photograph. Movie cameras have a field of view comparable to a cropped DSLR (1.6)

[combatentropy]

Very good list of specs Combat

Thank you.


wouldn't interchangeable be better

I deliberately did not dictate interchangeable or fixed. But I guess my drawings do suggest a fixed. There are pros and cons to each.


The list also mentioned that S35mm sensors are smaller than 35mm

Movie frames are sideways to still frames:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/2100_1203117400.jpg



Another thing that was mentioned is that having 4K means 4x less latitude, etc.; as if there is a direct correlation


Since there are 1/4 the number of pixels, yet the same sensor area, then each sensor is 4 times as big. All else being equal, a pixel four times the size of another pixel will catch four times as much light (light sensitivity) and hold four times as much light (dynamic range, or latitude).


but I thought it actually doesn't matter? Red One is 4K yet it performs great in low light.
I agree that it performs great. But that doesn't mean I still don't need more. Have you ever tried to shoot in a hotel conference room, at night, with available light?


The last thing that surprised me is that it assumes global shutter is even possible with CMOS sensors; and you provided a link to a company which offers global shutter sensors to boot! I thought it's always been a consensus that it isn't possible to do? Or have they recently found a solution to the problem?
Yes. Micron also has it going on: http://www.micron.com/innovations/truesnap/

[hybris]

35mm + Nikon mount support, and I'd be cashing up for it immediately.

All the extra pixels is what scares me away from Red, since you lose 35mm DOF (for wide Field of View) when recording in anything less than max resolution with it.

[eugene presley]

35mm + Nikon mount support, and I'd be cashing up for it immediately.

All the extra pixels is what scares me away from Red, since you lose 35mm DOF (for wide Field of View) when recording in anything less than max resolution with it.


Me too. I'm tired of using a bazooka style of camera, only to get that 35mm dof. It's time the 35mm adapter (redrock, sgpro, brevis, letus,...) saga comes to an end!

[killfilm]

35mm DOF would make scarlet stand out amongst all other cams which usually require another $3000 for an adaptor.

[Mike Bozulich]

35mm DOF would make scarlet stand out amongst all other cams which usually require another $3000 for an adaptor.

$3000 for an adaptor? Most of them cost about half that. I get your point though. 2K, RAW, and 35mm DoF in a small package would set apart Scarlet from any of its competitors. Let's hope that's the plan for Scarlet.

[Joel Kaye]

$3000 for an adaptor? Most of them cost about half that. I get your point though. 2K, RAW, and 35mm DoF in a small package would set apart Scarlet from any of its competitors. Let's hope that's the plan for Scarlet.

I'd be willing to bet one quadrillion dollars it's not based on what's been said by RED about it already. Like, it won't compete with RED. You put 35mm DOF on Scarlet and it competes with RED.

[killfilm]

I'd be willing to bet one quadrillion dollars it's not based on what's been said by RED about it already. Like, it won't compete with RED. You put 35mm DOF on Scarlet and it competes with RED.

not really, Red is still 4k and with the option of cinelenses, different mount

would you give up such a huge market by withholding nice options such as 35mm dof?

[Jannard]

The inmates are running the asylum...

Jim

[chuck colburn]

The inmates are running the asylum...

Jim


Ahahahahah!

Does that make you the "King of Hearts"?

[Virum]

If Scarlet were 4:4:4 1080p with a real lens mount for a 35mm sensor (or even s-16) at $4k-7k, I'd ditch my Andromeda DVX in a heartbeat after selling a kidney for the couple thousand I'm short.

[killfilm]

The inmates are running the asylum...

Jim

and the madman is letting them:wink:

[Jose A. Garcia]

Hi all,

I'm new here. I don't own a Red One yet, but I hope I can soon. Anyway I'm really interested in the Scarlet as well because if it gives me what I need, then the Red One can wait a little longer.

I haven't posted in other "I want the Scarlet to be this or that..." threads because if I have to tell you, I find them quite unrealistic. People read "pocket cam from Red" and they automatically think it will be a mini-Red One with almost everything its bigger sister has to offer but half the size and 1/8 of the price.

This is actually the first thread asking for something that can be true. Just think about it and please, keep it simple and don't start asking for impossible things. I really think Jim will try to offer what noone has ever offered before (even Red itself). What would you think if Jim offers this?:

- A very simple cam about the size of a HV20
- Fixed 16x zoom
- Manual controls
- 2k (I guess there's no point in denying this will be the resolution, given the fact that www.scarlet2k.com is already registered)
- 35mm sized sensor
- $2000 - $4000

Just think about it. There's no other cam in the world offering that. It's the most basic cam setup for real filmmaking and it would be the first digital handycam to offer 35mm DOF. That alone makes it unique and it doesn't compete with the Red One at all because the Red One offers so much more.

Just imagine the latitude and light response of a 35mm sized 2K sensor...

[redman]

Just imagine the latitude and light response of a 35mm sized 2K sensor...

Then it would offer more in that area now , wouldn't it?

[Joel Kaye]

not really, Red is still 4k and with the option of cinelenses, different mount

would you give up such a huge market by withholding nice options such as 35mm dof?

My guess is they needed a 4K sensor to make a 35mm native DOF camera. 4K was never necessary to make sales of RED IMHO. No one ever asked for 4K. Everyone asked for 35mm DOF, great latitude at 1080P. The Viper is 1080P. People would have been fine with that.

What we got was what RED is NOW.

Certainly RED at $5K would sell many more cameras... why would they give up on such a huge market? 'Cause they can't do it.

My guess is Scarlet will mimic 16mm... 2K, and probably with a fixed zoom lens with full manual control. That would be a bitchin' camera - and probably would sell like hotcakes. Great for documentaries, travel, extreme sport videos.

I'm also going to guess you won't see Scarlet for at least 6 months, but possibly 12 given the growing pains with RED ONE we've seen.

[Mike Bozulich]

The inmates are running the asylum...

Jim

Easily fixed. You don't even have to tell us what Scarlet specs are... just what they aren't. You know, like 'Scarlet will not: be larger than 8" long, be 4K, or have removable lenses.' This would help get expectations more in line and reduce the amount of potential disappointment when Scarlet's specs don't match the fantasy specs often posted here. Meanwhile, the rampant (and unrealistic) speculation will continue. :)

[Zak Forsman]

The inmates are running the asylum...

Jim

only because I have absolutely nothing else to hang my hat on, i'm going to go ahead and consider this a hint that you are likely to provide something that the inmates are asking for -- that you are listening to what we want to drop our money on and letting that determine what you plan to deliver in Scarlet. yes, no? ugh, one more month....

[Virum]

What would you think if Jim offers this?:

- A very simple cam about the size of a HV20
- Fixed 16x zoom
- Manual controls
- 2k (I guess there's no point in denying this will be the resolution, given the fact that www.scarlet2k.com is already registered)
- 35mm sized sensor
- $2000 - $4000

I would buy that in a heart beat. I'm not a big on the size thing - I like my cameras a bit bigger, but for cinematography purposes I can def. see the advantages of a smaller cam, it's just a big one feels so much more "pro."

But yeah, I'd totally buy that, provided the aperture could get open enough at portrait focal lengths.

[Lawrence Bansbach]

- 2k (I guess there's no point in denying this will be the resolution, given the fact that www.scarlet2k.com is already registered)Though Scarlet may very well be 2K, this is by no means certain. Someone on another forum declared that the "Scarlet 2K" trademark application proved Scarlet's 2K resolution, to which Jim Jannard responded, "Good find... but remember, things 'can change at any time'. And often do."

[Scott Anderson]

I never claimed the trademark application proved anything, only that it was "...at least some pretty strong evidence as to the resolution of the camera, or at least what the resolution was early on in the development process"

Here's the thread:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?p=806335#post806335

In fact, the original post (and USTPO find) was by Reduser "watergate" on this thread:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=132870#post132870

I thought then, and I still think now, that those trademark applications are the only solid evidence we have as to what Scarlet might be. I really think the speculation has run its course at this point. I know I've grown tired of it, and I was as excited as anyone about Scarlet.

[killfilm]

Hi all,

I'm new here. I don't own a Red One yet, but I hope I can soon. Anyway I'm really interested in the Scarlet as well because if it gives me what I need, then the Red One can wait a little longer.

I haven't posted in other "I want the Scarlet to be this or that..." threads because if I have to tell you, I find them quite unrealistic. People read "pocket cam from Red" and they automatically think it will be a mini-Red One with almost everything its bigger sister has to offer but half the size and 1/8 of the price.

This is actually the first thread asking for something that can be true. Just think about it and please, keep it simple and don't start asking for impossible things. I really think Jim will try to offer what noone has ever offered before (even Red itself). What would you think if Jim offers this?:

- A very simple cam about the size of a HV20
- Fixed 16x zoom
- Manual controls
- 2k (I guess there's no point in denying this will be the resolution, given the fact that www.scarlet2k.com is already registered)
- 35mm sized sensor
- $2000 - $4000

Just think about it. There's no other cam in the world offering that. It's the most basic cam setup for real filmmaking and it would be the first digital handycam to offer 35mm DOF. That alone makes it unique and it doesn't compete with the Red One at all because the Red One offers so much more.

Just imagine the latitude and light response of a 35mm sized 2K sensor...

hmmm fair enough, sounds like a cam i would buy too. Just wondering though, when dealing with the clients who think bigger is better, what do you tell them about the small "handycam" looking thing. I think that size also matters most of the time when dealing with a professional crew.

[ArthurG]

Hi all,

- A very simple cam about the size of a HV20
- Fixed 16x zoom
- Manual controls
- 2k (I guess there's no point in denying this will be the resolution, given the fact that www.scarlet2k.com is already registered)
- 35mm sized sensor
- $2000 - $4000



Nice list, but replace the fixed 16x zoom by a Nikon Mount and this is the ultimate cam for me. Shoot whith primes when I need is an important point.

[Phillip Hudson]

35mm (super35) DOF is all I want. I'd settle for any other specs. I shot a feature with one of the DOF adapters. It's a huge pain in the ass. My next feature is coming up and I'll sacrifice DOF if I have to. I won't use another DOF adapter, period. 16mm DOF would be a dissapointment. Why any camera/camcorder manufacturer produces a camera with anything less than 35mm(super35) sensors these days is just stupid. Thank goodness for visionariers like Jim and the RED team. Cheers.

[eugene presley]

35mm (super35) DOF is all I want. I'd settle for any other specs. I shot a feature with one of the DOF adapters. It's a huge pain in the ass. My next feature is coming up and I'll sacrifice DOF if I have to. I won't use another DOF adapter, period. 16mm DOF would be a dissapointment. Why any camera/camcorder manufacturer produces a camera with anything less than 35mm(super35) sensors these days is just stupid. Thank goodness for visionariers like Jim and the RED team. Cheers.


Exactly!!

[Lawrence Bansbach]

What would you think if Jim offers this?:

- A very simple cam about the size of a HV20
- Fixed 16x zoom
- 35mm sized sensor
- $2000 - $4000I'd think Jim was a miracle worker. If by 35-mm–sized sensor you mean a sensor the size of a 35-mm motion picture frame (roughly the size of a typical APS-C DSLR sensor), then it would be hard to add a fixed 16x zoom and call the resulting camera "pocket sized" -- even if you simply mean a smallish camera (e.g., a "palmcorder"), not necessarily one that could actually fit in a pocket. The lens alone would probably be at least 5 inches long (and for a 16x maybe more than 10 inches) and 3.5-4 inches in diameter at the front element, and weigh quite a few pounds. If you want it to have a fairly reasonable maximum f-stop (say, f4 or so) that is fixed throughout the zoom range, then you can expect it to be larger and heavier still. And you can expect to pay far more than $4,000 just for the lens. Remember, Red One's Mysterium sensor is the size you desire (24.4 x 13.7 mm), and look at the lenses it takes.

[red i wanabe]

Well you know I might wan't it to need a 35mm adaptor.:glare: So I can trick it out with all the accesorries and make it big like the like a real camera. :sorcerer:

I have to say that an HVX 200 with all the good stuff(firestore, 35mm, LCD monitor, some batteries, sound stuff, mattebox, rail, follow focus, some more Batteries) looks like the real deal.

Then agian who realy want's to mess with a 35mm adaptor. I suggest the Red Box, *patent pending* A red one like shaped box that you put your scarlet in whenever you wana wear big boy pants.

No, but realy the I bet the scarlet will look just fine with a follow focus and matttebox. Anyway I don't think It's is such a big deal, Down here all the producers and directors are getting used to the Idea of using Little :devil: HDV:ranting2: cameras. I allways encourage them to rent something bigger though.

[red i wanabe]

Buuuuut, 35mm sensor limits it's use in other areas like eng. What if it had a red 35mm adaptor option? Cuz I would love to make a movie with one, but I would also Like to get 6 of em and shoot a concert.

I guess a 16mm sensor would fall right in the middle.

[combatentropy]

35mm sensor limits it's use in other areas like eng.

Why is Super35 too big for newsgathering? It's not too big for news still photography. In fact, it's smaller than the 35mm still format (36 x 24mm) or the larger digital SLRs that professional news photographers use across the globe, every day.

Let's not limit ourselves by tradition, especially if that tradition is from a technical limitation that is now gone.

[Jose A. Garcia]

hmmm fair enough, sounds like a cam i would buy too. Just wondering though, when dealing with the clients who think bigger is better, what do you tell them about the small "handycam" looking thing. I think that size also matters most of the time when dealing with a professional crew.

Remember we're always talking about a pocket size cam. It's ok to think it won't actually fit in a pocket (or at least a standard sized pocket), but you cannot ask for something the size of a HVX or bigger just because it looks more pro. The times they are a'changin man! Now we can have amazing image quality in the palm of our hands. Why make it bigger or heavier just to make it look more pro? If you want a bigger cam, buy the Red One. If it's your client who wants something bigger, just show him a few takes shot with the Scarlet and leave him speechless. I'm just trying to think globally here. Because if we all say exactly what we need, we'll end up having hundreds of different cams and we'll probably be disapointed in the end.

To those asking for 35mm lens mounts. I'd also love to have them, but I don't think it will happen.

Let me post again what Jim said in this thread:

"The inmates are running the asylum...

Jim"

He said it here in this post. And we're just asking for 35mm DOF. A few of us who are following what this thread originally said are just saying we'd sacrifice the rest (resolution, lens mounts, size...) all for a big sensor, and Jim's basically saying we're nuts. So I can't really say what he will think of the ones asking for a full featured mini-Red One.

[red i wanabe]

The reson 35mm is not good for eng is the difficulty in focusing and there is no autofocus for 35 lenses (yet)

[combatentropy]

The reson 35mm is not good for eng is the difficulty in focusing and there is no autofocus for 35 lenses (yet)

Okay, now I'm going to get on your nerves:

Why is Super35 too hard to focus for newsgathering? It's not too hard to focus for news still photography. In fact, it's easier to focus than the 35mm still format (36 x 24mm) or the larger digital SLRs that professional news photographers use across the globe, every day.

And don't tell me it's because they have autofocus. For a long time they did not.

[Joel Kaye]

And don't tell me it's because they have autofocus. For a long time they did not.

It's not the autofocus, it's the fact that in still 35mm photography you only need to hold focus for a fraction of a second. (Catching a fraction of a second in focus IS way easier these days with autofocus - which is why literally every sports guy shoots that way and they threw away their AE-1's a long time ago.)

There is no autofocus fast enough and smooth enough to track for a 35mm movie camera so it has to be done by hand. It's not as easy as keeping focus with a deeper DOF camera. I think it could be done, but I'm not sure many people would choose to.

[combatentropy]

Okay, good point.

I'm the type of person, though, who would be willing to do it.

[Phillip Hudson]

There are lots of options out there for news gathering cameras and the DOF they need to help them stay in focus. There are few options for filmmakers to achieve the short DOF we need. Let's hope Scarlet doesn't join the ranks of the non-35mm DOF cameras. There are plenty of them out there already.

[red i wanabe]

"It's not the autofocus, it's the fact that in still 35mm photography you only need to hold focus for a fraction of a second." Exactly.

Also I wouldn't want to have an explosion:nuke: be out of focus due to deep dof.

[Lawrence Bansbach]

Also I wouldn't want to have an explosion:nuke: be out of focus due to deep dof.Huh? Wouldn't deep DOF kind of guarantee that the explosion was in focus? Or did you mean shallow DOF?

[dillont]

Call me crazy, but I think Jim just called me crazy.

I mean, I am .. but .. to be called crazy by Jim is an honor!

Okay, how about this?

Just give me 35mm DOF 1080P.

Or, just give me S16 DOF 2K

I'm *trying* to be reasonable here!

:D



Dillon

[Lawrence Bansbach]

Remember we're always talking about a pocket size cam. It's ok to think it won't actually fit in a pocket (or at least a standard sized pocket), but you cannot ask for something the size of a HVX or bigger just because it looks more pro. . . .

To those asking for 35mm lens mounts. I'd also love to have them, but I don't think it will happen.Regardless of whether the lens is removable, if you have a zoom lens that covers the area of a 35-mm–sized sensor (the sensor size you requested), it will be fairly big and heavy, particularly a 16x one. The Angenieux Optimo 24-290 mm weights 11 kg, or more than 24 pounds, and it's only a 12x!

[Jose A. Garcia]

Ok, ok... Too much to ask for on the zoom. Maybe 8x?

But anyway, I think we've got a problem here. There're many of us who would like the Scarlet to be a pocket sized cam for film purposes, you know, the first cam to offer raw or lossless 10bit image quality with 35mm DOF and cinematic motion feel which also fits in the palm of your hand! Wow! I know it sounds a bit too much... but hey, it's even possible!

There're others who would want an "all purpose handycam" or even something to shoot news with, but my point here is... Don't we have enough prosumer and pro cams for less than $15,000 all of them just perfect for shooting all kinds of events? They're all big, they all have those tiny 1/3" sensors with the largest DOF ever and you can choose every possible resolution from standard DV to 1080p (or 720p with the HVX). Do we really need another cam offering the same features?

Anyway, I can't imagine Red Team releasing a cam with a sensor smaller than 2/3".

What about a Super16mm sized 2K sensor to keep most of us happy??

[Jose A. Garcia]

And on the top of it all... Shooting news in 2K... I don't know. Everything tells me this will be another film camera.

[Aiden Cornwell]

Okay, now I'm going to get on your nerves:

Why is Super35 too hard to focus for newsgathering? It's not too hard to focus for news still photography. In fact, it's easier to focus than the 35mm still format (36 x 24mm) or the larger digital SLRs that professional news photographers use across the globe, every day.

And don't tell me it's because they have autofocus. For a long time they did not.

Right but more and more shooters are reporters who need something that is not super hard to operate because most of their training went to being infront of the camera not behind it. Now if you have one shooter and a reporter consider yourself lucky.

[red i wanabe]

"Huh? Wouldn't deep DOF kind of guarantee that the explosion was in focus? Or did you mean shallow DOF?"

I meant that the other way around. I still get the more is less thing confused sometimes.