Spooky? You tell me.

[Anders Holck]

Hmm..while waiting on the accessory prices, my mailman just delivered the mail.
In the stack this message stared at me:
http://holckowen.com/sony.jpg

It says "Why take chances Anders?"

Inside it says "Sony HD, a risk you don't have to take"

And continues: "Anders, you know that in your field of work it's about getting the best possible images with the least possible risk...."

Hmmm...spooky stuff with my name printed on a sony flyer...

[Rick Darge]

Funny.. I got a phone call from someone claiming to be from Sony last night telling me I would be doomed and sent to electronic hell if I dare bought a Red..

[Craig Ryan]

WOW Man, I'd be looking out for suspicious black sedans parked in front of my residence if I were you...that IS creepy. The fact that your name is printed on there?

EDIT: Let us know if you find a bullet in your mail box; then we can call up Michael Mann and get started on The Insider II

[Jannard]

Is this for real, Anders? If so, I guess someone really got their attention... if not, it is a pretty good spoof.

Jim

[Steve Gibby]

WOW Man, I'd be looking out for suspicious black sedans parked in front of my residence if I were you...

Or a horse head in your bed when you wake up...("The Godfather")

[Anders Holck]

No spoof.
Sent from the UK by Airmail.
Little booklet, CD size one sheet folded two times.
CMYK print (Possibly color laser), both sides, on thick glossy paper.

[Craig Ryan]

nice one Gibby.

[Tonaci Tran]

anti-red campaign appears to be in full force...

[Michael Schrengohst]

No spoof.
Sent from the UK by Airmail.
Little booklet, CD size one sheet folded two times.
CMYK print (Possibly color laser), both sides, on thick glossy paper.

It's no wonder - all these global giants are pissing money away on crappy TV spots and stupid mailings. OMG I got a CD from Sony - maybe I should just sell my house and buy a CineAlta. Mercedes wants to dump Chrysler and Matsushita wants to unload JVC. JVC - Japanese Video Crap

[Justin O'Neill]

Wow, Anders that is incredible.

Is it just me or is that skier flying through the flames wearing a RED jumpsuit????

[Joel Kaye]

"Sony HD, a risk you don't have to take"

Hey Jim - who needs a copywriter?

Introducing RED. Now Sony HD is a risk you don't have to take.

[Andreas Fernbrant]

I also got one of those today! (It went strait into the garbage, didn't even open it)
Here is a pic! I bet the glue holding it together is poisoned

[Anders Holck]

They might be starting from the top of the alphabet: Anders, Andreas and so on....

[Adam C Lubkin]

They might be starting from the top of the alphabet: Anders, Andreas and so on....

I didn't get one. ;)

[Craig Ryan]

Makes you wonder what kind of people are browsing these forums...

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

I got one too, I guess its from when I registered my HDR-FX1...

[Anders Holck]

I'm thinking IBC, you all went there right?

[Jannard]

I think you all should cancel your RED reservations and buy a risk-free Sony camera. That's what I'm going to do.

Jim

[JD Holloway]

Client list nicked during REDquarters break-in?

mmm...

CSI digital....

[CVB]

Jim... I wonder if you will get one... You could frame it and bring it to NAB. :)

[Rick Darge]

Hey Jim, could I buy a Sony HD camera and have you guys take the guts out of it and put it into your Red shell?

[Andreas Fernbrant]

Actually mine was sent to my company. I wasn't at NAB or IBC this year.
Jim you can have mine;) haha!

[Hrvoje Simic]

You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension.
A dimension of sound.

A dimension of sight.

A dimension of mind.

You are moving into a land of both shadow and supstance
of things and ideas.

You’ve just crossed over into

THE RED ZONE

[Joe Aurili]

I think you all should cancel your RED reservations and buy a risk-free Sony camera. That's what I'm going to do.

Jim

We are not going to tolerate posters coming in here and bashing RED, even if you are making the camera!

j/k :)

[Steve Gibby]

Omen...LOL!!

[Jason Ramsey]

That is trippy, crap. What, did they get the red-servation list, or something? That's messed up.

Scary... And they are obviously scared shitless

Jason

[chuck colburn]

WOW Man, I'd be looking out for suspicious black sedans parked in front of my residence if I were you...that IS creepy. The fact that your name is printed on there?

EDIT: Let us know if you find a bullet in your mail box; then we can call up Michael Mann and get started on The Insider II

Craig,

What did all you res. holders expect? You set up a world wide map with push pins showing exactlly where you are!
Oh and by the way they aren't always black......

[Hrvoje Simic]

Oh wait, let me rephrase that:


You unlock this door with the key of imagination.

Beyond it is a 4k dimension.

A dimension of 24-bit pristine sound.

A dimension of ultra high definition sight.

A dimension of creative mind.

You are moving into a land

of both shadow and highlights,

of colours and moving images.

You’ve just crossed over into

THE RED ZONE


:matrix:

[Steve Gibby]

Perfect...stick a fork in it...it's done!

[Michael Ragen]

I hope most people put their pins on the red map a ways away from their house. I know I did.

[Bruce Allen]

I hope most people put their pins on the red map a ways away from their house. I know I did.
You did? Damn, I've been casing out the wrong house!

Bruce

[Graeme Nattress]

Shoot safe with 3:1:1 1440x1080, or 4:2:0 Mpeg2 1440x1080. Yes, right, that's certainly the best possible images.

Graeme

[PaulClements]

Me too Deadmike, I wrote a bit on the original thread about not actually pinpointing it on the map for potential burglars, that said it isn't exactly hard to find out anyones address having put it on their along with names etc. Another fact is for alot of people they will be openly advertising the ownership of the camera anyway so disguising the wearabouts of their home or business will be of little consequence. I'd be more worried about someone stealing the camera if it cost $100 - 200k but given cars can be stolen and passed off alot easier I think anyone targetting these cameras would be pretty stupid. Unless they were from a competing company that wanted to scare RedOne owners into hiding hehe!

[Martin Drew]

Reminds me a bit of the old IBM ad. "No one ever got fired for buying IBM". They thought they owned their market too...

M

[Chris Gearhart]

I hope most people put their pins on the red map a ways away from their house. I know I did.

My Sony flyer must be in the median strip of I94. I'll go get it. (It'll give me something to do until 7:00 PDT.)

[Anders Holck]

Sure, 35 mbps Mpeg2 is just great! Why take the risk with >200 mbps of those damn wavelets.

[Michael Ragen]

I also hope no one installs gps in their camera. Otherwise there may be b52's flying over your production dropping solid lead f900's (without parachutes).

[Larry McKee]

Cool thing is, we all know each other's serial numbers. So, whenever a stolen camera surfaced, we would know who it really belonged to.

[Learvis Templeton jr.]

I hope most people put their pins on the red map a ways away from their house. I know I did.

I didn't, come on do you think any one will come to Kansas!?! You could see the black sedans 2 miles away LOL! I find it pretty funny that Sony or whoever would look at the map and collect info and send out mailers telling you not to risk it. I won't be surpise if somebody from Sony is on the reserve list just waiting to get a Red and take it apart to see how it works. Okay I have to much time today, G5's are rendering so I'm posting! Twice in one day a record for me!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

G5's are rendering so I'm posting! Twice in one day a record for me!

You need to do more rendering. ...Look at my post count, too much damn rendering. All I can do is browse reduser ebay and whatnot. Not enough CPU cycles left to do much else. I've even got my Macbook Pro working overtime on the render farm lately, it's nuts. All should be done in the next couple days though and then I can do something more constructive. Like try and win that snowboard.

[Learvis Templeton jr.]

You need to do more rendering. ...Look at my post count. All should be done in the next couple days though and then I can do something more constructive. Like try and win that snowboard.

I still have projects that aren't even capture yet! So I'll be in renderland heaven later this week! The snowboard wouldn't do me much good:tongue:
Now some Red rollerblades would do the trick in this part of the country!
I could always make the trip to the Rocky Mountains but then I would have to learn how to snowboard! I don't post much because I have to much fun reading other posts Like the one about Rocket J Squirrel!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I have to much fun reading other posts Like the one about Rocket J Squirrel!

Oh, you had to bring that up...

Oh well, I gotta go tweak some surface parameters and kick off a new render... Back in 5, maybe 10. Hehe... I can't wait until this project is done.

[Mark L. Pederson]

http://holckowen.com/sony.jpg



Now the truth IS stranger than fiction!!

I guess ANYTHING could happen at NAB ... good thing the convention center is not in a sky scraper huh?

What you should do ... is hire a stunt man to do a "full burn" gag (it's only $3K-$5K to light a stuntman a blaze!!)- dive through a wall on fire - shoot it in 4K RAW in 60P- and project that in the booth! (LOL!!)

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'll volunteer to be the stunt man if it can get me a lower REDservation #!

[CVB]

Jeff.. How about a six pack of coors light instead?

[Jared VanLeuven]

Actually, it's pretty clairvoyant of them to forecast their own gastrointestinal response on April 16th.

[chuck colburn]

Jeff.. How about a six pack of coors light instead?

Ahh... you might want to be carefull if that six pack came off the line in the last few days.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Why take chances Anders?

The Red reservationists did ... and look what that got them.

Anders, you know that in your field of work it's about getting the best possible images with the best possible equipment ...

Sony HD, a risk you DON'T have to take.

Anders ... hey ... where are you going ... ANDERS!!! It's VAPORWARE!!! Don't do it Anders ....

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Ahh... you might want to be carefull if that six pack came off the line in the last few days.

:blink: Oh boy... :blink:

Ya know, there's a liquor store right across the street from the brewery. The sign reads "No fresher Coors sold anywhere!". If any of you guys are ever in the area, I'll gladly pick up a six pack or two to share. And Chuck, if you feel compelled to make an up-stream detour on the way into town, that's fine by me. There's far worse things floating down the creek anyway.

[chuck colburn]

:blink: Oh boy... :blink:

Ya know, there's a liquor store right across the street from the brewery. The sign reads "No fresher Coors sold anywhere!". If any of you guys are ever in the area, I'll gladly pick up a six pack or two to share. And Chuck, if you feel compelled to make an up-stream detour on the way into town, that's fine by me. There's far worse things floating down the creek anyway.

Yeah I know what you mean. Sometimes I wonder about the salmon and steelhead I yank out of the once pristine Rogue river here in So. Orygun.

[Gunleik Groven]

I have received one of these, too.

Non-interst credit-offer for 24 months if I buy a HDCAM.

Ponder, ponder, ponder, ponder...

Should I call Jim? -;)

Gunleik

[Michael Schrengohst]

To see if you should get an HDCAM?
In 24 months an HDCAM will look like
(and be) old technology. 3:1:1 compression,
and you need an HDCAM deck to
digitize your video into a system
that needs HD-SDI. And then you need
some pretty good RAID's to edit HDCAM....
Thats why Panasonic has done so well,
decks that can digitize using FireWire
and P2 is the cheapest HD deck you can get.
I hope the RED footage will be as easy to
work with as P2 has been. DVCPRO HD should
be a good off-line edit solution for RED 4K.

[Gunleik Groven]

Was sorta kinda a joke -;)

The communication through boards can sometimes be ineffective.

Cheers!

Gunleik

[tj williams]

The Northern lights here have been more red recently. The guy in the yellow robes at the airport said.... Om Sony ma ma ohmmm, I'm just sure of it!

Since I put my pin in the map black helicopters are circling my neighbors house every night. Haha I put the pin on his address!!!! *** never kills the dandilions in his*** yard and the **** seeds blow into mine.

After my experience with cataclysmic Sony failures the idea that they would actualy, send out a "trust our reliable tech." as is totally LOL....

The answer to the problem of burglery!


http://www.everysafe.com/Gun-Safes-C20847.html?refid=G3175.gun+safe

[Brook Willard]

I got one too... though it was a little less professional. What gives?

[Gunleik Groven]

Seems like they've started to take precausions and actually budget in that these Red/SI non-camera thingies without a real recording solution to a proper format might - after all - be real and could cause them some harm even in the rental market.

Thus they have put their 160000 employees to some real work - writing real letters in a real format to all suspectible customers out there.

I guess in a year, they'll actually pay you to use one of their cameras.

Goodone!

Gunleik

[Andrew Benz]

I got one too... though it was a little less professional. What gives?

LMAO out loud! Very funny Brook

[Pig]

I got one too... though it was a little less professional. What gives?

:)

ROFL


I especially got a kick out of the fact that it was witten on the back of a screenplay! :sorcerer:

[Don Woods]

That is too damn funny. I can only hope I get one as well. I love the fire walker at NAB that would be awesome...

[Zakaree Sandberg]

im fearing nab now.. sony is gunna place a device (i say device so i dont get on some fbi terrorist list) and try and take out us red army.

but i really do think this is halarious.. they are shitting their pants over this

[Jason Francois]

I'm wearing a bullet-proof vest to NAB....at least when i go near the RED booth.

[David Limpus]

Sony should be a very busy booth. Because we should all go there and ask the price of a 4k projector to display our red-one pictures. Unless.... Jim has a suprise in the projector area.

[Mike the beginner]

This type of marketing is gathering pace in the UK. My wife got a postcard from the car dealership with a photo of her model of car and the registration displaye on it. Karen your cars first service is due!

Sony want to protect their future investors so they put the seed of doubt in peoples minds, why change and take a risk. An attempt to personalize the connection between company and its customers. For some it will work initially since from what i have read on film producers lately they don't like to take risks, particularly if the budget for equipment forms a small part of the whole!
So its a reasonable strategy to take.

I will look forward to their change of strategy when red one has been out for 12 months though.


We are still asking much of red too much perhaps? I just hope they succeed in every way possible. When you examine the possibilities that might go wrong, you do wonder how they can possibly get all of the things absolutely right.

I wonder if red team has plans to arrange a test comparison between the various cameras that will compete with red. This would be great if it was done and presented at NAB

Mike the beginner

[peter roehsler]

"Sony HD, a risk you don't have to take"

funny.

[RED-Tank]

ha haa.. I think I need to call a SWAP team when I get my RED or I see RED myself first (fully cooked and a bit over burnt). :D.

[RED Russians]

This is the 'risk free' Carl Zeiss vario sonnar (yeah eat that Cooke) lens off my FX1 after less than a year - had a 60:11 error requiring replacement of entire lens block!!

(Wow, you see lens IS interchangeable just like that mythical/hoax RED camera.) The replacement lens is TOTALLY soft ...oh.. I mean auto-engages Sony's bokeh®™ at 2.8 full telephoto - (returned twice for re-callibration!?!) I mean just gorgeous dreamy images with NONE of that pesky sharp foreground that plagued Evin's so called Nikon lens tests.

Actually I've got sony envy. I didn't get a card! I participate in forums. Wait...I didn't go to IBC...DAMN!! I'm with you Jim, I want my deposit back. better stick with products that are tried and tested with prove n rel ia b il tiyyy.....Daisy Daisy....give me your annswerr true.....I'm half crrrazzyyy.....allll for theee lovvve offffff youuuuu....

[Zakaree Sandberg]

mail that lens to them with a photocopy of your "R" and say.. "THANKS BUT NO THANKS"

[Brook Willard]

Sony should be a very busy booth. Because we should all go there and ask the price of a 4k projector to display our red-one pictures. Unless.... Jim has a suprise in the projector area.

There will be a Sony 4K projector in the RED booth.

[Ace]

Aww.. Sony's feeling a bit REDjected.

[tj williams]

Zakaree

After my little climb trying to get Sony to stand behind their HDcam I doubt they are SH***tng their pants at the management level. These people do not ever see or actually talk to any customers. My message had to be relayed properly by underlings just to the West Coast Service Manager. They will sit placidly in their ivory tower until the foundations of it are gone!!!

[Joe Carney]

Hmmm...maybe we should all go out a re-read Michael Crichtons 'Rising Sun'.
I think the Drunk Uncle has sobered up and not gonna take it anymore.

btw, Red is not competing against all of Sony, just the high end camera division, and Red may actually be better funded than them. Sony is an umbrella org with lots of different divisions. Madison Media (Vegas) is seperate, Playstation3 is seperate...., consumer cameras seperate..plus with PlayStation3 sales not doing so well, the top executives have other things on their minds. So...while to top brass is distracted, time for give em a gut punch. hehehe


To be fair, once Red starts selling, additional support personnel will need to brought on, whether it's phone, or field, the internal cost of doing business will go up. The good thing is with the significant reduction in moving parts, simpler more effective design...support overhead should be way less compared to the HDCAM.

[Adrian T.]

What about a counter attack on Sony? :w00t:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4011/redfireiq9.jpg

[Don Woods]

very nice I think we all need to get RED army t shirts and wear them proud on Monday. I know I'll be wearing my RED shirts through out the days..

[Jeremy Hughes]

Anders or Andreas: Can you post some pictures of the inside too?

[Michael Brennan]

anti-red campaign appears to be in full force...

Full force? I doubt it.
RED is the meat in a Sony/Panasonic and Arri/Panavision sandwich.

Arri and Kodak spent considerable time and effort countering the introduction of HDCAM with every trick in the book including a funded "documentry" from Kodak and a very misleading film out test from Arri that prompted Danish film students to do their own film out.

Add Panavison and Sony to the mix and the quartet has considerable reach and ability to twist and obfuscate. Sony have brilliant wordsmiths that are wizards at making you believe 4+4+4 equals 3:1:1

But compared to the inept sluggish introduction of HDCAM where a 10 minute tape cost $125 and playback machines were treated like royalty RED will hit the ground running.

Rather than the handfull of hopefulls that were shooting HDCAM demo "stuff" on borrowed cameras RED will have, in a matter of months, 100 owner operators shooting a diverse range of subjects.

No expensive recorders required.


Mike