Size matters...

[Jannard]

For your reference...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1167855230.jpg

[Jason Ramsey]

Wow. Smaller than the HVX? But probably heavier, aye?
That is quite a punch that such a little package is going to be able to pack.

Jason

[Graeme Nattress]

Great comparison Jim! I like it how the RED is instantly recognisable (or is that redcognisable) and I can't immediately tell what the lead parrot camera is - Sony or Panasonic - it just looks generic.

Graeme

[Stephen Webb]

Bear in mind the Red has a Prime Lens on it whilst the other two are both zooms though. Plus they've both got recorders attached! Still, good to see the scale + it does look good.

[IAN SUN]

Well that certainly puts things in perspective.

More angles please.

[planet e]

truly amazing....mind-blowing, really.

please, kind sir, may i have another?

[samuel33]

Great .....and some french people say thank u too... even on the "repaire" ;)

[Hoffmann Films]

very interesting picture nice to see the size difference in cameras.

Thanks

[Justin Kirchhoff]

very nice size.....it is making me feel all funny inside......oh crap, that didn't sound right.

[Isaac Brody]

Looks good. Be nice to see what it looks like fully kitted out with the red rails and cage.

[Adam C Lubkin]

When comparing how they look, it's easy to forget that this a 4k camera we're taking about. 4k! :)

[Mardi_Gras]

Can't wait to see a fully kitted "Spike". I'm pretty sure she would break some broke hearts.

Shame... "wish I could have her in my arms" soughta thingy!!

[Blaine Golden]

I had seen the mockups at Cinegear but it's great to see RED next to other cameras for a true perspective. :cool:

[Jarred Land]

yeah gives you a good reference.. about the recorder built in.. remember, Spike has a RedFlash onboard recording.. so it as well has a recorder built in.

[Jason Francois]

Looks to be about right. Same footprint as an HVX, but the form factor will be a bit different and more substantial once it's dolled up a bit. I like it a lot.

It reminds me of the simplicity of some of the old 16mm cameras. Not too fussy. Slap on a lens, grab a light meter and shoot away.

Thanks a million.

[Gunleik Groven]

yeah gives you a good reference.. about the recorder built in.. remember, Spike has a RedFlash onboard recording.. so it as well has a recorder built in.

So I guess that' confirmed then -;) (re some other thread)

Love it!

Will hardly be smaller than the HVX, though, with viewfinder + battery, but still is a sweet, sweet thing.

Gunleik

[Red Oz]

Great photo. It's very compact but not as small as I thought it would be if you consider that the Red's body (sans lens, viewfinder, LCD, recorder, etc) is almost the size of the entire HVX200. Incredible for the feature set and of course, the shape lends itself to modularity.

Can we see another comparison photo like this of the Red fully configured with rails, etc?

Excellent work, so looking forward to this year...

[shaftbond]

adaml is right. the actual difference in size isn't as significant without realizing what the RED can do that the other two can't. i wasn't sure about the matte gray look, but it's growing on me.

[S. Um]

I'm sure it will bulk up a little when you add an LCD/EVF, battery, disk drive, grips, etc. But still, this is quite small for what you're getting.

Now, let's compare the picture size and quality! :)

[Graeme Nattress]

You've also got to remember the amount of horse-power needed to process 4k, which is significantly greater than the processing for HD. There's literally a super-computer in there. I think it's amazing that RED is as small as it is. There's a lot of really good stuff going on inside!

Graeme

[Mark L. Pederson]

Just CRAZY!!

How many do you think the ARMY, AIR FORCE, NAVY & MARINES are gonna want?

NASA?

Oh, yeah ... there are more armed forced overseas too ....

Reservation # 3050 ... 3051 ... 3052 ...

[CVB]

wow, it seems smaller than at cinegear... thinning it out made quite a difference.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Big things do come in small packages.

[Steve Gibby]

Small when you need it...and accessorizable up to being as large as you need it. Very cool...

In the photo, RED One is closest to the lens that shot the photo, thus the relative size of all three cameras is slightly different than the photo presents. RED One is smaller in relation to the other two cameras than it appears in that photo. If all three cameras were exactly the same distance away from the lens shooting them then the relative sizes would be easier to discern.

I'm diggin' the size of RED One...!

[Jarred Land]

So I guess that' confirmed then -;) (re some other thread)

Gunleik

heh heh Gunleik you should know better by now, nothings confirmed and everything is subject to change :)

[Ronnie Silos]

Let us not forget to compare to the standard of all standards.
The infamous Cinematograph
http://web.mac.com/almasilos/iWeb/redcompare.jpg
Couldn't resist! 8-)

[dewman]

excellent reference photo! well done, team RED!

[Alex Boothby]

Anyone care to guess the length of Red-One (sans lens)? I'd say 10" - 13".

[Mark Thorpe]

I guess there's no reason to mailshot this image to the boys at Sony, Pana, JVC etc. Damn sure they are probably following this forum, one nervous mouse click at a time.

Lovin' it.
Mark.

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

Very nice to see this comparison, the RED one body looks so good in my eyes, and once it is fully fitted with mattebox, rails and the rest it will suit me very well!

[baro]

There's literally a super-computer in there.

I'm very curious what is inside. Do you have an off the shelf processor working in there?

[Stephen Webb]

yeah gives you a good reference.. about the recorder built in.. remember, Spike has a RedFlash onboard recording.. so it as well has a recorder built in.

I thought RedFlash was a bolt-on thingummyjig?

Anyways, I reckon with a Zoom lens, battery, EVF & recording mag of some sort (basic set-up) it'll be a bit smaller than that Sony Cam - which'll give the ENG crowd a very interesting comparison.

[Jaime Vallés]

Great to see the comparison. I really like the apparent size relative to the HVX. Small, but with mattebox, follow focus, lens, shoulder mount and rails it will look totally pro.

Looks really nice. Can't wait to see more!

[Jannard]

another view...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1167866214.jpg

[Gunleik Groven]

Me like even more.

You guuys really got that design down. What a sexy little thing!

So - are you out playing with her yet?

Congratulations!

Gunleik

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

I don´t like this one as much.... there is "something" obscuring part of the RED ONE... ;-)

[Gunleik Groven]

That "something" buys me the Red -;)
So, in half a year, I can replicate this image.
Hooray!

G

[Akcelik]

For your reference...

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1167855230.jpg

WOW!!! THAT KNOKS MY SOX OFF!!!

thats beautiful man! i thought it would be much bigger than that!

the big news is, without the rig attachments it dont even look that rich at all.. which is a good thing because when i have my money ready to buy this mini beast, shooting pretty pictures on the street (because it takes pretty pictures yknow) i wont have to feel too self consious about looking like a pro!!

YOU DA MAN. JIM, YOU. DA. MAAANNN!!! :D

[Rob Lohman]

Can I get that in 2560 x 1600 for my 30" Jarred? Would make an awesome desktop background!

[Gunleik Groven]

I could do with one, too...

Gunleik

[PaulClements]

Great stuff, looks amazing... Any shots of people holding it available? How's about a big cheesy grinning Jim for people to photoshop :)

[Jared VanLeuven]

I thought RedFlash was a bolt-on thingummyjig?

Anyways, I reckon with a Zoom lens, battery, EVF & recording mag of some sort (basic set-up) it'll be a bit smaller than that Sony Cam - which'll give the ENG crowd a very interesting comparison.

I think the flash unit takes the place of the high-speed port on the left side of the body, not sure if it is more bulky though.

[Jeremy Hughes]

You've also got to remember the amount of horse-power needed to process 4k, which is significantly greater than the processing for HD. There's literally a super-computer in there. I think it's amazing that RED is as small as it is. There's a lot of really good stuff going on inside!

Graeme

Graeme, When it releases, will you tell us the clockrate?

Jim, the RED ONE makes the big ugly ~F900~ look even more big and ugly.


Great comparison Jim!

Wow, I've never seen you (or anyone else on the RED team) talk to anyone on the RED team on these or DVXuser's fourms before!

[gcaussade]

Wow! Not in my wildest dreams did I think it would be so small. Of course, there's plenty to add that will make it bigger, but I always imagined it would be quite big.

But, a new thought crossed my mind, being an IT person: Heat dissipation.

I'm amazed how something so small can process such huge images! Have you really had one on for a period of time! :)

Are we going to need to buy 30 pound fans to cool the processing components! :) I'm joking, of course, the 4K chip is amazing to me, but the fact that it takes all that data and manages to save and manipulate it with so little hardware (space) is doubly stunning!

-Jerry

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Now for a real size comparison set the RED down next to a Genesis with its HDCAM recorder and watch the RED disappear into the shadows.

[Alex Boothby]

Not in my wildest dreams did I think it would be so small.


Now where have I heard that before?....:confused:

[Roberto B]

you made my day jim!.. i mean, our day..


Great comparison Jim! I like it how the RED is instantly recognisable (or is that redcognisable) and I can't immediately tell what the lead parrot camera is - Sony or Panasonic - it just looks generic.

Graemeterrific.. me seconds this too but the size is all.. thx

[Roberto B]

as small as we could dream.. thx again..

[Obin Olson]

why talk you guys have said it all. I sure am glad i bought into the deal!

[Alex Boothby]

OK, looking at the pics more closely I'm guessing RED body at 10.5 to 11" long. Sony body is listed as 340mm (13.38"). HVX200 listed as 15 3/8" (excluding prominent parts). Anyone care to confirm???

[Alexander Nikishin]

I just can't wait to hold that cold piece of aluminum in my hands. I think I'll actually sleep with it in bed the first few nights.

[Roberto B]

hey blonde, are you russian?!!

but she is brunette and not tall at all :D

[Alexander Nikishin]

hey blonde, are you russian?!!

but she is brunette and not tall at all :D

Yes sir I am a Ruski.

Actually she's raven haired and I like 'em short but plump in the back! ;)

[Brook Willard]

Great photos, thanks everybody. I'd love higher-res ones for my desktop if at all possible...

Jim, what did you use for the lighting in these shots?

[Isa Totah]

I'm actually astonished by the size of the camera. I think mobility is extremely important and I was a little concerned about size at first. Wow! One question. The other cameras, I believe, are configured to shoot. Is the picture of the Red a configuration that one can shoot with? If not, what would the minimum configuration look like?

[Sanjin Jukic]

Wow, amazing! Jim it's true now for everybody that really size matters...

[Ace]

The surprises just keep getting better and better. I would never have thought the body to be this compact, its nothing short of amazing really.

The black color also visually reduces the size of the camera in an perceptive sense.

Bravo!

[Don Woods]

Love it.. I love the size I can already think of some pretty interesting things to strap that camera to.

[Ace]

For handheld use without the cage, The most compact configuration would lead me thinking about mounting the battery to to the bottom of the camera for optimum compactabilitationess. Kinda like how DSLRs mount the battery on the bottom.

[Alexander Nikishin]

For handheld use without the cage, The most compact configuration would lead me thinking about mounting the battery to to the bottom of the camera for optimum compactabilitationess. Kinda like how DSLRs mount the battery on the bottom.

Even though it would be more compact with the battery mounted bottomside, the smartest mounting position would still be the back due to the front heavy oritentation Red would have with a PL or still lens mounted.

[Ace]

Even though it would be more compact with the battery mounted bottomside, the smartest mounting position would still be the back due to the front heavy oritentation Red would have with a PL or still lens mounted.

Sure, but mounting on back would require attachments I thought? I was talking strictly most compact configuration, with compact prime lens.

[Hoffmann Films]

Do we know what the batterys will look like ?

[Alex Boothby]

For handheld use without the cage, The most compact configuration would lead me thinking about mounting the battery to to the bottom of the camera for optimum compactabilitationess. Kinda like how DSLRs mount the battery on the bottom.

Did you catch this:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=81962

[Hoffmann Films]

That is sweet...

[Brook Willard]

Mounting the battery on the bottom of the camera would raise the lens even higher from the operator's eye. Since the lens is already fairly high on the body, I don't think it would be a good option. Many operators will likely mount the camera upside-down to lower the lens.

As for seeing what the batteries look like, see the attached photo. That's the Mini-RAID close to the body and the battery V-locked onto it.

[Hoffmann Films]

That looks great, thanks for the pic..

[JW Lee]

Hopefully, the Red Rails will enable you to create a Zacuto type of rig to balance out the camera for handheld work. I guess we'll have to wait and see what's possible once the Red team has a chance to finish out their product. I keep wondering what it will look like once all the batteries, cables, viewfinder etc. are attached. The rig in the above picture looks pretty decent for tripod work.

Let me put on my flame suit for a moment. OK, there , it's on.

I find it interesting that the Sony is scorned here despite the fact that it's a tried and true form factor for lots of different types of work, especially handheld. Anyone who thinks it's ugly, old, unfashionable and has not gone out and shot for for an extended period of time (i.e. lots of long days on the run in a variety of shooting conditions) should try one out. All the buttons/switches are right at your fingertips, it's easy to adjust all the controls that matter and you can shoot a rock steady hand held shot. Plus there's room for your wireless mics, on-camera light, shotgun and batteries (all using industry standard connections). Guys have been making their living off of these "ugly" cameras for years, so perhaps a little respect for a proven design is not unwarranted.

Granted, Red appears to be a great solution for digital filmmaking using traditional film methods, there's no denying that. I also think the flexibility in configurations will be interesting to explore. Certainly the value proposition makes it worth a serious look relative to the available choices that we shooters/filmmakers are going to have.

I guess the point is that even though the marketing photos are nice eye candy, I think taking a wait and see attitude and keeping some enthusiasm in reserve is not an unreasonable POV.

Hopefully, this post won't land me in the "don't sell one to this guy" list. Even though I haven't been "drinking the kool-aid", I'm still rooting for this camera to be a success.

[Brook Willard]

RED puts Zacuto modularity to shame. Here's another one of the images that was posted a while ago.

You can mount stuff anywhere you want. Weight distribution problems? A thing of the past.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Hopefully, the Red Rails will enable you to create a Zacuto type of rig to balance out the camera for handheld work.


For hand-held work I think the Red team will definitely create something more user friendly, compact and quicker to assemble/disassemble than Zacuto's, atleast I dearly hope so.

[Alexander Nikishin]

RED puts Zacuto modularity to shame. Here's another one of the images that was posted a while ago.

You can mount stuff anywhere you want. Weight distribution problems? A thing of the past.

All that mock-up is missing is a shoulder pad.

[Alex Boothby]

I think you'll find a tiny (and dark) shoulder pad in the image.

P.S. - thanks for the OConnor 1030 tip, Alexander. Found one on ebay for $3000.

[Brook Willard]

Yeah, there's a shoulder pad in there.

[Alexander Nikishin]

I think you'll find a tiny (and dark) shoulder pad in the image.

Ah now I see, my gamma is set low for photoshop work. :)


P.S. - thanks for the OConnor 1030 tip, Alexander. Found one on ebay for $3000.

Awesome head, I'd highly recommend it.

[Alex Boothby]

BTW - that shoulder pad appears to be about 4.5" long (deep). Would that work?

[JW Lee]

Brook, I don't see why Red Rails couldn't be set up like a Zacuto, definitely not rocket science. The picture you posted however looks awful in terms of ergonomics. That is not setup for on-shoulder shooting. For example, the grips in that pic will be nicely pressed against ones collarbone and not out where they need for control. Where's the evf? Where's the monitor? Where's the lens and mattebox? Is the Red body right next to your head and are there going to be any wires sticking out there? What about on the other side? How will you start and stop your shots? How well balanced is it going to be once you have it loaded up?

The way the Zacuto has the camera offset by moving the batteries, wireless and HD well behind the camera seems like a reasonable solution to me. The devil is in the details my freind and marketing pictures of a half completed product don't tell the whole story. I'm looking forward to seeing what the brainiacs at Red come up with, they seem like a pretty smart bunch.

[Blair S. Paulsen]

LMG - you are so right and so wrong at the same time - nice work :D . You need to trust that the guys doing the design of the RedRail have worked with many kinds of cameras, including ENG (I have owned a Sony D30 for 9 years myself and it has many strengths) and have carefully evaluated the Zacuto system. Many of us posted about the handles and I feel confident that the ability to reposition and reorient the handles will be part of the final design.

Perhaps you should take that critical mind of yours and post a wish list for the RedRail. All along there has been a commitment from the Red Team to make a rig that is highly customizable. While the camera body is getting close to a final design the RedRail could still be tweaked. Rather than taking potshots at the renders be part of the process. I plan to do lots of EFP and even some ENG work with the RedOne and firmly believe that I can set it up to be an excellent tool for those situations.

[Joe Carney]

LMG brings up a good point that hasn't been discussed much. How long before the general broadcast industry realizes this is also the best, most affordable 1080x60p camera on the planet. Even more so since one can use high quality but affordable s16mm lenses instead of digiprimes? How long before someone creates a live switcher that will convert 1080x60p at 10bit 4:2:2 video stream to what ever is needed in real time for broadcast? (Is that Jims' secret for NAB?)

So what if you have to 'window' the chip. Price/performance will beat all current competitors for high end broadcast situations.

Joe C.

[Stephen Williams]

Even more so since one can use high quality but affordable s16mm lenses instead of digiprimes?.
Joe C.

Hi Joe,

Whilst quality S16 lenses are cheaper than digiprimes they are probably more expensive than lenses for 35mm cameras. One of the reasons I own 3 x 35mm cameras but no S16mm equipment.

Stephen

[Blair S. Paulsen]

There has been talk of a B4 lens adapter for RedOne. S16 lenses are fine optically but the feature sets of modern video lenses are widely prized. The ability to use B4 mount lenses would speed adoption by broadcasters, AV cos. and others into hardline applications. I have even suggested what I call an "EFP pack" that would provide industry standard interfaces between the RedOne and hardline infrastructure. All of this may require 3rd party rigging but I agree with you - the price performance proposition will entice a much larger group than just the digital cinema crowd.

[JW Lee]

Blair, I think there are some issues with using standard SD/HD video lenses designed for 3-chip cameras on single chip cam like Red or the SI-2K.

BTW, I wasn't taking "potshots" at anybody. I'm just trying to think through the real world issues involved in adopting this camera and how it fits into the production workflow. I'll save my wish list stuff for after the product is shipped, feature creep doesn't help anyone wanting to see this thing get released. Besides there's no shortage of 'wishes' here.

And a note about the 'broadcast world", from the other forums I frequent, Red isn't really on the radar as much as a 2/3" HD XDCam to replace their aging D600's. I doubt you'll see many Red's shoot the 6 o'clock news anytime soon. Given Jim's marketing savvy, I'm sure there will be a RedNewsTruck in the tent at some point ;-).

[Scott Webster]

There has been talk of a B4 lens adapter for RedOne. S16 lenses are fine optically but the feature sets of modern video lenses are widely prized. The ability to use B4 mount lenses would speed adoption by broadcasters, AV cos. and others into hardline applications. I have even suggested what I call an "EFP pack" that would provide industry standard interfaces between the RedOne and hardline infrastructure. All of this may require 3rd party rigging but I agree with you - the price performance proposition will entice a much larger group than just the digital cinema crowd.

Great idea Blair. It may be sacrilege to dumb down the Red but I'd be more than happy to take a 2K, B4 only Red with an onboard standard lens plug for servo power for HD ENG lenses. It would still be more than what is on offer today from current manufacturers.

To round out the current Red One I'm hoping for a Red prime set to be announced at NAB 07. Sign me up.

[Martin Drew]

It may be sacrilege to dumb down the Red but I'd be more than happy to take a 2K, B4 only Red with an onboard standard lens plug for servo power for HD ENG lenses.

Pedantic technical point, but it would be 1080p not 2K with a B4 mount lens.

Martin

[Scott Webster]

Pedantic technical point, but it would be 1080p not 2K with a B4 mount lens.

Martin

I'll take 1080p up to 60fps and 720 @ 120fps at the 2/3" B4 spec.
I'm sure some would say you could 12 volt power an ENG lens servo with an offboard battery and adapter cable and use the the Red B4 lens adapter promised to get the same result.

[Martin Drew]

You can power the B4 servo from an accessory power tap on the camera, no need to use a separate battery.

Martin

[Steve Gibby]

Stuart English recently posted that RED is considering not one, but two 12-volt auxiliary taps on RED One - plenty of power for any accessories, including the servos of a B4 2/3" HD ENG lens.

Last December, when I attended the first spec meeting for RED One at Oakley headquarters, I requested that RED One, beyond its normal digital cinema functions, also include capability for EFP and ENG-style production, including 12-volt power from the camera. I've been lobbying for those things to make the final spec ever since then. I already knew the camera would be a great tool for my cine-style productions, but I also wanted it to be versatile enough to satisfy my EFP-style production requirements.

Why? To me, one of the coolest things about RED One is the wide variety of Cine-style and EFP-style productions it will be able to be used on - thus generating a lot more revenue than a one-dimensional digital cinema camera.

We're artists, but motion media production is a business. As a businessman I want a tool that can generate the maximum amount of revenue. That's why I have supported RED from the very beginning - plus I really believe in the management and staff of RED.

[Scott Webster]

As you're probably aware Gibby, most cameras have an AB tap near the front where the handle joins the body and a 12-volt hi-rose at the rear. The traditional use has been an onboard light or monitor from the AB tap and sound usually make use of the hi-rose for the radio link if not using batteries.

You can extend your 12-volt options by having an AB tap as part of your battery plate, V-lock or AB. Some batteries even include an onboard AB tap built into them.

My wish would be for one of the Red 12-volt taps to be close to where the lens would mount to allow the easy connection of a 2/3" HD ENG lens with a short adapter cable.

[Steve Gibby]

My wish would be for one of the Red 12-volt taps to be close to where the lens would mount to allow the easy connection of a 2/3" HD ENG lens with a short adapter cable.

That's my wish too, but if they've already engineered it being somewhere else on the camera, we'll just have to use a longer cable. At any rate, I'm way stoked that they are considering including the 12-volt taps.

On another note...we're looking forward to getting down to New Zealand and Australia sometime in 2007. It will be cool meeting you Rocketeer!

[Rob Lohman]

Enough accommodations are in place for that, you will be pleased Gibby! More on that later.

[Martin Drew]

"More on that later..." there is a lot of teasing from the red Team going on at the moment. All quite exciting.

Martin

[Steve Gibby]

Enough accommodations are in place for that, you will be pleased Gibby! More on that later.

Saweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!

[JD Holloway]

Gibby, Rocketeer,

I love where you guys are going with this. I never intended to use RED1 as an ENG tool but I just spent a day shooting at a rock climbing gym with a Panasonic AJ HDX 900 24P DVCPRO HD Camera, with me inverted, suspended at the top of the wall. The challenges of shooting in this environment with this size and weight of camera (I'm still recovering from harness stress LOL) truely lead to using versatile B4 style lenses with RED. I'm all for it as an alternate conversion (production can rent me Canon HD lenses). Climbing aside, it would also make for wicked 1080 underwater work if the lens controls could be wired to an external controller outside the underwater houseing.

[planet e]

with you on that...this will be the best outdoor and nature video camera eeeeever. i'll have 18mm for WA landscapes and 300mm for the birds and wildlife. and now this amazing portability.

and that's just the beginning! not to mention all the other amazing features...

this is the shizzzzz......

[Scott Webster]

Gibby, Rocketeer,

I love where you guys are going with this. I never intended to use RED1 as an ENG tool but I just spent a day shooting at a rock climbing gym with a Panasonic AJ HDX 900 24P DVCPRO HD Camera, with me inverted, suspended at the top of the wall. The challenges of shooting in this environment with this size and weight of camera (I'm still recovering from harness stress LOL) truely lead to using versatile B4 style lenses with RED. I'm all for it as an alternate conversion (production can rent me Canon HD lenses). Climbing aside, it would also make for wicked 1080 underwater work if the lens controls could be wired to an external controller outside the underwater houseing.

My motives are purely selfish :)
Our inventory base is made up of HD ENG and Cine 2/3" B4 glass to go with the F900R and Varicams we carry. The majority of our client base are use to working EFP style.

Although we carry MB18's, Chrosziel, Microforce, Ronfords etc we are a Video only rental house. We'll see how the Red shakes down before making the substantial investment in 35mm lenses. For us, the best option is go B4 and Nikon mount and rent in 35mm lenses until the Red Zoom arrives and hopefully a set of Red primes!

[Scott Webster]

That's my wish too, but if they've already engineered it being somewhere else on the camera, we'll just have to use a longer cable. At any rate, I'm way stoked that they are considering including the 12-volt taps.

On another note...we're looking forward to getting down to New Zealand and Australia sometime in 2007. It will be cool meeting you Rocketeer!

Due to the Red and the potential impact it will make on our business it looks like I'm doing Vegas. See you in April!

[Steve Gibby]

Due to the Red and the potential impact it will make on our business it looks like I'm doing Vegas. See you in April!

Very cool! See you at NAB in April, and in New Zealand before or after that.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

with you on that...this will be the best outdoor and nature video camera eeeeever. i'll have 18mm for WA landscapes and 300mm for the birds and wildlife. and now this amazing portability.

This is exactly what I'm thinking - those lens options too. Don't forget a good macro zoom there too (I'm just starting to research such beasts for 35mm). Gotta get in close to all those little critters.

[Joe Carney]

I'm pretty sure the lenses designed for 3 chip cameras with prisms won't work with RED, hence, initially high quality s16mm zooms might be best. but if there is potential, they will build what is needed. I bet Canon will one of the first, they don't have a ultra high end market to protect.

Joe C.