Two camera shoots

[xaidenx]

What are the hurdles when shooting a movie with two different types of cameras? How hard is it to match up the footage in post?

[xaidenx]

Hmm.. I guess I'll just assume there are no hurdles. Interesting.

[Nathan Buxton]

the hurdle is lighting a scene for two different angles.


*edit.. my bad... two different TYPES of camera... well.. that one is particular to the specifics.

[xaidenx]

But what about the quality of the footage? Won't it be very different?

i.e. HVX200 vs. RED ONE?

For example...

Let's say I shot all of my dialogue and action with the RED ONE, and all of my sex scenes with the HVX200. Would that look peculiar?

[weirdcrew]

But what about the quality of the footage? Won't it be very different?

i.e. HVX200 vs. RED ONE?

For example...

Let's say I shot all of my dialogue and action with the RED ONE, and all of my sex scenes with the HVX200. Would that look peculiar?


My answer is - ask yourself why your getting a RED and not a second HVX200? Then think of what the "matching up" hurdles would be. It's not harder then that.

fred

[xaidenx]

My answer is - ask yourself why your getting a RED and not a second HVX200? Then think of what the "matching up" hurdles would be. It's not harder then that.

I'm getting a RED because I want the best quality and the look of film without messing around with 35mm adapters.

The HVX200 is great, but It's definitely not comparable to the RED quality-wise.

However, I don't think it will be feasible to shoot a sex scene with a manual focus.

[weirdcrew]

I'm getting a RED because I want the best quality and the look of film without messing around with 35mm adapters.

The HVX200 is great, but It's definitely not comparable to the RED quality-wise.

However, I don't think it will be feasible to shoot a sex scene with a manual focus.

I have to say I've come to love your postings and by now think you're some of the guys out there having a laugh.

Now if your to lazy to pull or 2 proud 2 have team members on your shoot I don't think you should get this camera.

The differences between these cameras will be quite noticeable and I only suggest shooting it that way if you want it to be an actual feature, as in style.

As for focusing there's no way around it - it has to be done. Crawl to the cross and realize that it's easier to hire a guy that will do it for you. I bet there's a few fully capable ones that would do it for you for a reasonable price hahahahaha.


fred

[xaidenx]

No seriously, I was just kidding about the team. I will have a crew on my project.

I just want to know what troubles are going to arise for me when I shoot with two different style cameras. That's all...

[weirdcrew]

No seriously, I was just kidding about the team. I will have a crew on my project.

I just want to know what troubles are going to arise for me when I shoot with two different style cameras. That's all...

They're not going to match, final. It's two completely different formats, as wide apart as you can imagine. :biggrin:

If you can live with the difference is a completely different thing.

fred

[xaidenx]

They're not going to match, final. It's two completely different formats, as wide apart as you can imagine. :biggrin:

People say "Wanted" was shot with RED AND other cameras... is that movie's footage not going to match?

[Adrian T.]

People say "Wanted" was shot with RED AND other cameras... is that movie's footage not going to match?

That's RED vs. 35 mm. And that's much closer than RED vs. HVX. :wink:

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

this is clever question thread that let me request this
IS IT possible to have that option (copying camera settings )
on CF card then reinstall this settings to different camera ?
i think this involved with up coming RedTools .??

[Adrian T.]

this is clever question thread that let me request this
IS IT possible to have that option (copying camera settings )
on CF card then reinstall this settings to different camera ?
i think this involved with up coming RedTools .??

This will be a future feature of the RED ONE. But the SD card will be the preferred medium for that.

[Dylan Reeve]

It's hard to say how difficult it will be. Even two cameras of the same make and model often have differences. You really need to shoot tests and look at the footage side by side to see how they look, and how you want to deal with the differences.

As for your reasoning... There's no place for auto-focus in something like that anyway. In a sex scene (which typically is probably a bit dark and moody anyway) having the auto focus 'hunt' is going to be unpleasant. Auto focus is not suitable for that sort of use (and not suitable for many uses at all) - push-auto might be different, but still not ideal especially during recording.

Shoot with a wide lens and a high aperture if you're really worried, you'll get deeper depth of field, and have less chance of something slipping out of focus.

[James T Mather]

However, I don't think it will be feasible to shoot a sex scene with a manual focus.

why? what are you doing with the other hand?

[weirdcrew]

As for your reasoning... There's no place for auto-focus in something like that anyway. In a sex scene (which typically is probably a bit dark and moody anyway) having the auto focus 'hunt' is going to be unpleasant. Auto focus is not suitable for that sort of use (and not suitable for many uses at all) - push-auto might be different, but still not ideal especially during recording.

I think you're talking about a feature sex scene, were it's to be moody and magical. I think that these sex scenes are going to be a little more explicit then that and the lighting will be set to reveal as much as possible :biggrin:

As for the "Look" setting that will come up with SD card. It will only work with another RED camera, but it's and interesting view to wonder if it can stretch further then that.


fred

[weirdcrew]

why? what are you doing with the other hand?

LOL

But I also agree hahaha why will in not be feasible?

[James T Mather]

yeah - the autofocus systems used on Lust, Caution and Basic Instinct worked great.

[xaidenx]

This will be a future feature of the RED ONE. But the SD card will be the preferred medium for that.

I dont get that... Why do companies use the SD card for data settings, but capture onto the CF card? why not just use capture and settings on the same card? (or same format). Is it to differentiate?

[xaidenx]

why? what are you doing with the other hand?

hehe. I shoot adult movies. (Porn, if you will) Auto-focus is good because I move around constantly and don't think the RED would be a good camera to use to shoot a sex scene (of the OTHER Hollywood kind)

[BigLu]

You will never get the latitude out of the HVX as you will out of the REDCODE Raw.
The HVX has a set look you can only push those pixels so far in any direction before it beings to tare apart.
Then you have the DOP issue your footage will not look even close unless your using a film lens adapter and even then you are only a step closer but still far away.

HVX shoots 720p not even 1080 although it says you can do 1080i or p that is an up res conversion inside the camera. Best off staying in 720pn mode when you record.
So understand your dealing with 720p footage and you want it to MATCH not look kind of but MATCH 4K and or 2K footage?
Nice try but NO.
Understand I love my HVX it's been my stepping stone to my RED Camera but, the HVX is a fixed lens the RED uses Prime lenses, HVX is under 1k and the HVX has a set look already no matter what you do so you have to grade RED to look like the HVX style. Hard to go the other way.

Film matching RED, Viper Stream matching RED, D-20 matching RED, Genesis mathcing RED, With Beau Leon as my colorist. Maybe I could kinda see.
But a 1/3 chip HVX-200 under 1K camera matching RED.
Sounds like a challenge im willing to try.

Now with all that said...
I will be breaking the rules also, and I will be dual shooting 1 day my HVX with my RED. I will see how close I can get the two.
Just because you have really got me going.

Im curious to know what your results are.
Please keep me posted.

[Adrian T.]

I dont get that... Why do companies use the SD card for data settings, but capture onto the CF card? why not just use capture and settings on the same card? (or same format). Is it to differentiate?

I'm quite sure that you will also be able to use CF cards for settings. But I actually like to separate the purposes of the cards: CF as digital magazine for the clips and SD for settings, firmware and the like.

[David Birdy]

Most Live events are shot with multiple cameras that also include different "manufactures" and models. If anyone watched the Super Bowl or Grammy's
you watched a multitude of cameras controlled in a "video engineering area"
of a production truck.

The point is... with multiple camera shoots you need a good engineer/DIT to make the cameras match best onsite and ensure the cameras setting are correct including a sync box to match time code.

Dave

[weirdcrew]

Most Live events are shot with multiple cameras that also include different "manufactures" and models. If anyone watched the Super Bowl or Grammy's
you watched a multitude of cameras controlled in a "video engineering area"
of a production truck.

The point is... with multiple camera shoots you need a good engineer/DIT to make the cameras match best onsite and ensure the cameras setting are correct including a sync box to match time code.

Dave

That is different to what we're discussing here. Most of those cameras are of different brands but of similar format. The question here is if it can be matched - the answer is yes but you have to match RED to the HVX. Now were's the fun in that?

[xaidenx]

Seeing as how my footage will just go straight to DVD / Internet anyway, I'll have no problem matching the RED to the HVX... I didn't think I'd be able to go HVX -> Red. And if I could, what would I need a RED for in the first place?

So for the RED, I read through the documents, but I didn't really see it anywhere, but can I set the camera to record at 720p? instead of 4k or 2k, as I'll most likely never need footage at that resolution? or would it look BETTER to shoot at 2k or 4k and then convert it down in post?

I'm scared about doing that hearing some of the guys on the board talk about it taking 100 hours to convert down 2 hours of footage. Whats up with that?

[Adrian T.]

Seeing as how my footage will just go straight to DVD / Internet anyway, I'll have no problem matching the RED to the HVX... I didn't think I'd be able to go HVX -> Red. And if I could, what would I need a RED for in the first place?

So for the RED, I read through the documents, but I didn't really see it anywhere, but can I set the camera to record at 720p? instead of 4k or 2k, as I'll most likely never need footage at that resolution? or would it look BETTER to shoot at 2k or 4k and then convert it down in post?

I'm scared about doing that hearing some of the guys on the board talk about it taking 100 hours to convert down 2 hours of footage. Whats up with that?

So why do you want to shoot with the RED when you're gonna downgrade its footage to HVX quality? Is it the depth of field? But I don't think a shallow depth of field would be beneficial in your business.

[Joel Kaye]

So why do you want to shoot with the RED when you're gonna downgrade its footage to HVX quality? Is it the depth of field? But I don't think a shallow depth of field would be beneficial in your business.

I don't think RED is the camera for this poster based on this discussion unless he's got a lot of help. I think he'd be better off with 2 HVX's. Certainly he should rent a RED for a day and intercut it with stuff he's already shot on an HVX to get a feel for how it will go.

But I can see high quality sex scenes (classy porn?) being shot with RED - but that's a whole different discussion.

[Jason Ing]

red is equivalent to 35mm. hvx200 is not. if the hvx was closer to 35mm in quality, you wouldn't be buying a red. there's nothing on set you can do to make a red and hvx200 to match in post. if you want to use hvx200 on your set with the red, use it to shoot the behind the scenes documentary. :)

[xaidenx]

But I don't think a shallow depth of field would be beneficial in your business.

I do want a shallow depth of field, for my dialogue and action shots.

[xaidenx]

But I can see high quality sex scenes (classy porn?) being shot with RED - but that's a whole different discussion.

And that IS a whole other discussion. However, I am thinking about shooting a sex scene with RED and seeing how it comes out... if good, then hey, I might do my entire movie on RED.

[Jason Ing]

no offense, but your avatar is just disturbing! :)

[xaidenx]

no offense, but your avatar is just disturbing! :)

Not as disturbing as my real picture, I'm sure.

[Joel Kaye]

And that IS a whole other discussion. However, I am thinking about shooting a sex scene with RED and seeing how it comes out... if good, then hey, I might do my entire movie on RED.

You could shoot RED at 2K with a wider lens. That will give you deeper DOF so focus shouldn't be as critical. That's pretty much what's happening when you shoot your HVX. Autofocus on the HVX is slow so I'm pretty surprised that is really working well for you.

I think you should check out a Sony EX1. MUCH better in low light than the HVX and WAY easier to see focus on the LCD. Find one at a store an play with it.

[Dylan Reeve]

Even if you could shoot 720p on the RED you'd be using a smaller part of the sensor and thus loose the benefit of the large sensor. Shooting 2k windowed will give you a sensor equivalent to 16mm, with a wide lens and a 'tight' aperture, you shouldn't have a problem shooting a sex scene with it.

No point shooting RED and then trying to match it to HVX, it'll just frustrate you.

[weirdcrew]

I do want a shallow depth of field, for my dialogue and action shots.

Isn't it your action shots that we're talking about :w00t: