Red Rail

[Shawn Nelson]

So I want to put an industry standard matte box on this camera to use with my Nikkors...do I have to buy the $2750 premo Red Rail just to do that?

[Larry McKee]

I'm sure the Basic Production Pack has 15mm rods spaced at 60mm. I can't believe they could be anything else.

[Paul Hazlett]

no there are light weight matte boxes that clamp on to the lens as long as its internal focusing

here is one. you can get different size rings to fit your lens

[Anders Holck]

The rods on the rail are 19mm, not 15mm
Only the Premium Production pack includes a 15mm adaptor.

[Evin Grant]

There seems to be a 19-15mm adapter, but I'd be very surprised if you couldn't order one seperately.

[Shawn Nelson]

Only the premium package has a "15mm rods adapter". It seems silly to pay the $2750 price just to be able to bolt a matte box on

[Stuart English]

The Base Production Package is sufficient to mount a full size matte box. The camera base plate is designed to accept 19mm rods. There is a 19mm - 15mm rod adaptor available if you only have 15mm based accessories.

[Gbabymogul]

The Base Production Package is sufficient to mount a full size matte box. The camera base plate is designed to accept 19mm rods. There is a 19mm - 15mm rod adaptor available if you only have 15mm based accessories.You only get one front grip with the base package right? Can you add a second one without the full premium package?

If the zooms weight, camera, mattebox and filters come in at what i think they will, then a second grip will be mandatory. Methinks.


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[chuck colburn]

The Base Production Package is sufficient to mount a full size matte box. The camera base plate is designed to accept 19mm rods. There is a 19mm - 15mm rod adaptor available if you only have 15mm based accessories.

Do you know this for a fact? Accs. designed to mount on 19mm rods are set up for a 105mm center line spacing.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Do you know this for a fact? Accs. designed to mount on 19mm rods are set up for a 105mm center line spacing.

Hence the 15mm adapter.

[Alex Boothby]

You only get one front grip with the base package right? Can you add a second one without the full premium package?

:Guinness:

I'll second that Gbaby. I was hoping for something in between the base and premium production pack, specifically including two front grips and 15mm rod adaptor. Fingers crossed eh.

[Gbabymogul]

I'll second that Gbaby. I was hoping for something in between the base and premium production pack, specifically including two front grips and 15mm rod adaptor. Fingers crossed eh.You know the saying "great minds and all that"...:wink:




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[Alex Boothby]

Whoops - too late for a design change????

Love the new top handle, but woundn't it be better to have the mounting points at the top rather than on the sides? For mounting mics, on-board light, etc. On second thought, maybe not. Complain complain complain...

[Brook Willard]

There are tons of mounting points up top.

[Alex Boothby]

Ya, but I only like the ones that aren't banging into other stuff... like the mounting points on the Premium Pack Top Plate - you'd have to remove the Top Handle to make proper use of them. Anyway I do dig the new Top Handle - and yes side mounting points work fine.

[Gbabymogul]

There was a bridge plate (thin) that ran on the top of the camera in previous renders where there were multiple mounting points, so I think that is still included (or an option?). I'll upload the pic, if you can't recall it, Brook.

For ME, i'd like to know:

1. Can we purchase a second handle (without the whole swanky package). ?
2. Is the grip a standard thread on top ?, because (sorry, if you've ever operated a 35mm cam handheld) that handle looks not too ergonomic for long handheld sequences. I'd prefer to fab my own design, per my requirements.

I appreciate RED teams patience :)


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[Brook Willard]

I know exactly what plate you're talking about. It isn't in the current renders, but I don't see why it wouldn't still be a quick/dirty accessory to put together. If RED doesn't make it, somebody will.

The top mounting points on the camera body itself have changed dramatically since Spike.

[Stuart English]

In addition to the two described production packages, RED RAIL components will also be available as individually purchaseable accessories. So if you want something in-between the base camera or either one of these packages, that will be an option for you.

[Evin Grant]

Good, that's a relief.

[Brook Willard]

Ahhhhh... excellent.

[Gbabymogul]

In addition to the two described production packages, RED RAIL components will also be available as individually purchaseable accessories. So if you want something in-between the base camera or either one of these packages, that will be an option for you.Obrigado, Stuart.

That's the key to modularity.


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[Alex Boothby]

There's the answer. Thanks Stuart.

[Shawn Nelson]

Thanks Stuart! Because I was more inclined towards the basic rail package (to start out with) but need that 19mm to 15mm adapter so I can use 15mm matte boxes and follow focus

[LighthouseMEdia]

"In addition to the two described production packages, RED RAIL components will also be available as individually purchaseable accessories. So if you want something in-between the base camera or either one of these packages, that will be an option for you."

NOW THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

[Jannard]

What is missing from this prelim. price list is all the pieces are also sold individually. So you can buy a basic set and the 15mm adaptor separately. I promise to keep that particular part as cheap as possible.

Jim

[Shawn Nelson]

I promise to keep that particular part as cheap as possible.
Jim

Thanks Jim! I appreciate it.

[Larry McKee]

Thanks, Jim. This whole thing just keeps getting better and better.

[Mark B.]

How do I attach the battery without buying the cage or rails?

[Dominic Jones]

Thanks Jim! I appreciate it.
Me too - I think that's going to be a very important part for a lot of people - all my accessories are 15mm system...

[Stephen Williams]

How do I attach the battery without buying the cage or rails?

Hi,

Velcro?

Stephen

[Roberto B]

What is missing from this prelim. price list is all the pieces are also sold individually. So you can buy a basic set and the 15mm adaptor separately. I promise to keep that particular part as cheap as possible.

Jim


Thanks Jim! I appreciate it.

smart guy..

[Andrew M.]

Hi,

Velcro?

Stephen

No kidding, am I missing something?
Does basic package have enough screws and adapters to attach RED DRIVE and batteries and EVF and LCD?

[Dominic Jones]

It's far from uncommon to attach all manner of bits and bobs to a camera with velcro - wireless FF units, wireless mic receivers, smpte boxes, all sorts...

Although I've never seen a battery mounted that way!!

[Stephen Williams]

No kidding, am I missing something?
Does basic package have enough screws and adapters to attach RED DRIVE and batteries and EVF and LCD?

Hi,

Without cage & rails, I don't know!

Stephen

[Andrew M.]

It's far from uncommon to attach all manner of bits and bobs to a camera with velcro - wireless FF units, wireless mic receivers, smpte boxes, all sorts...

Although I've never seen a battery mounted that way!!

Come-on, Stephen was joking.
Velcro will not hold batteries for long.

[Dominic Jones]

Lol, yeah - that's what the exclamation marks were for! Damned internet!!!

[Clayton Harper]

I'll second that Gbaby. I was hoping for something in between the base and premium production pack, specifically including two front grips and 15mm rod adaptor. Fingers crossed eh.

It's like you guys are reading my mind.

[Mark B.]

Hi,

Without cage & rails, I don't know!

Stephen

So the camera can't run without one of the cage options... that sucks. How long until cheaper 3rd party cages are available?

[Rob Lohman]

So the camera can't run without one of the cage options... that sucks.
What do you mean, can't run? If you have one of the flash recording options, a tripod and say a battery belt you can shoot. You can even mount a RED-DRIVE & RED BRICK on top of the camera if you so wanted.

Needless to say you may want a bit more flexibility. The idea is that you can choose which mounting options you want and need. If the thing is gonna sit on a motion control rig all the time why get a shoulder mount for example?

Remember that each individual item of the packs can be bought separate as well. We've just created packs of things that a lot of people will likely want.


SoHow long until cheaper 3rd party cages are available?
Have you seen the prices of other "professional" gear in the industry? This is not some flimsily gear that'll break down after a couple of uses.

[Jaime Vallés]

What do you mean, can't run? If you have one of the flash recording options, a tripod and say a battery belt you can shoot. You can even mount a RED-DRIVE & RED BRICK on top of the camera if you so wanted.

Bingo. The absolute minimum components needed to shoot something in 4K Redcode RAW don't include the rails. All you need is the camera body, a lens, a monitor or viewfinder, a battery, a charger, some recording media, and cables to hook it all up. Anything else is gravy.

[Gbabymogul]

For handheld shooting, I'd envisage shooting with the Flash unit bolted on the camera, with maybe one or two rails on back for the batteries (add on the holder) , grip handle on top. Put a lightweight mattebox on the lens and you're ready. For the cherry on the top, you can attach the EVF and/or LCD to the bridge on the top of the camera (still to be confirmed as part of the camera accessories). Since the bridge was Jim's idea ? and was rendered, it shouldn't be too hard to convince 'em :)

All of these can be purchased individually.

Since the battery and drive were moved off the camera you've got an exponential increase in capacity (320GB is amazing). A holder, grip, arm, and a couple rails to purchase are a very easy purchase, considering...modularity will lead to combinations we've not even considered yet :wink:

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[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'm just imagining a steadi setup with the camera + lens, LCD and either have the camera mounted with a FLASH unit or have the RED RAM/DRIVE clipped to the operator's belt or vest along with the battery. For those shooting with Nikon glass, a mattebox isn't always something to consider either. Use typical hoods or snoots and screw-on filters. RED can be pretty minimal.

[Greg Voevodsky]

For a great affordable matt box, check out the LEE wide angle filter kit. It works great with nikon lenses and snaps on and off very quickly.

[Shawn Nelson]

If someone does not order the Red erector sets...what are the options for battery and Red Drive mounting? Do you just have to bolt it to the top of the camera or fab out your own mount?

[SF Geek]

Oh come on. If you're really contemplating getting the red camera and not paying for any accessories then maybe you should rethink the whole purchase.

On second thought. Go ahead and just buy the body and the LCD screen. Then when you realize that you really do want some accessories you can wait until all of the 1,400 some-odd reservations are fulfilled. I guess some people didn't learn from the whole "I don't need to buy P2 cards when i get the HVX" thing.

[Alexander Nikishin]

For a great affordable matt box, check out the LEE wide angle filter kit. It works great with nikon lenses and snaps on and off very quickly.

Redrock will release a verrry nice Arri-like light weight mattebox soon for $500. I've gotten to play with it and it seems to be the ticket for Nikon/Red owners. Not to mention their wirless follow focus with 3 servo ports and programable hard stops for only $500 as well.

[Ralph Oshiro]

RED TEAM, forgive the dumb question here, and kudos for all the product pricing announcements and ultra-generous Jim stuff and all, and sorry if this has already been asked/answered, but I was wondering . . .

For an ultra-stripped RED ONE configuration (minimum weight/size), if you want to use RED sans any type of "rail" is there any way to mount the V-lock battery mount onto the RED body itself? If not, could a V-lock battery mount be easily mounted somehow, perhaps via the base plate? I mean aside from running a 12V cable down to a battery located somewhere off-camera, (which I want to avoid).

Let me re-phrase the question (now that I've gone back and viewed the early renders on the RED.com photo tour). Is top-mounting of the V-lock still possible? According to the earlier render, this would've been possible, but with the necessary "top rail" attached.

[Ralph Oshiro]

Redrock will release a verrry nice Arri-like light weight mattebox soon for $500. I've gotten to play with it and it seems to be the ticket for Nikon/Red owners. Not to mention their wirless follow focus with 3 servo ports and programable hard stops for only $500 as well.Estimated delivery on these?

[Ralph Oshiro]

I'm just imagining a steadi setup with the camera + lens, LCD and either have the camera mounted with a FLASH unit or have the RED RAM/DRIVE clipped to the operator's belt or vest along with the battery. For those shooting with Nikon glass, a mattebox isn't always something to consider either. Use typical hoods or snoots and screw-on filters. RED can be pretty minimal.Duh . . . I'm getting up to speed pretty slowly here (been in bed for two days with a cold). So, that brick-sized box, before the brick on the back of the rail is the 320GB storage HDD, (I mistakenly had thought the HDD was "clipped" into the side of th camera body's side), yes?

Also, Steadicams typically fly a camera without its own brick. The camera is powered by a cable, powered by the sled's main power (in my case, Anton Bauer ProPak14s). So, for Steadicam operation, at least, the rail would be superfluous, other than the fact that it's needed to house the HDD?

[Sam Druckerman]

Duh . . . I'm getting up to speed pretty slowly here (been in bed for two days with a cold). So, that brick-sized box, before the brick on the back of the rail is the 320GB storage HDD, and it's no longer "clipped" into the camera body's side, yes?

Also, Steadicams typically fly a camera without its own brick. The camera is powered by a cable, powered by the sled's main power (in my case, Anton Bauer ProPak14s). So, for Steadicam operation, at least, the rail would be superfluous, other than the fact that it's needed to house the HDD?

Yes, that's right the RED Drive 320 GB unit is external and is pictured mounted next to the battery.

For steadicam I'm not sure if you don't Need the rail....

Do people ever use MB or filters when flying? Like out doors in the daylight?

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

For a great affordable matt box, check out the LEE wide angle filter kit. It works great with nikon lenses and snaps on and off very quickly.

Do you have a URL?

[Michael Ragen]

www.leefilters.com

[Dan Blanchett]

Someone posted this link in another thread. It may provide alternative mounting options for RED users, especially if they want a different style grip. But there are no prices listed.

http://www.ugrip.dk