New ultra-fast CF card technology.

[Mark K.]

Hey guys,

Thought you might be interested in this:

http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9877176-39.html?tag=nefd.lede

The actual connectors are different, but the speed opens up some pretty interesting possibilities.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Sounds VERY promising.

4K\60fps ?

"Redcode50" ?

:)

[dVonAllmen]

Guess this is why The One has an optional CF reader instead of built in - so we can upgrade to the next gen when it's ready.

Maybe when the new standard (whether CFast or something else) gets established Red could make a module that has slots for both CompactFlash and the new standard.

But really, they should have named it something that didn't have the initials CF - that's just gonna get confusing.

[Carlo Rho]

Looks good... it's eSATA so the REDone itself is able to use it (same standard as REDdrive)... new CF module?

But it's 18/24 months away from the market.... so not tomorrow...

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

375 Mb\sec. Wow!

That would allow a LOT of things to be done.

[number6]

A prediction... the camera will be streaming 4k in realtime, wirelessly, in the next major upgrade for recording data.

[Sunshine Whitton]

375 Mb\sec. Wow!

That would allow a LOT of things to be done.

That's the "interface" speed. Interface speed is a future ceiling, not a throughput...

When you go to the store and buy a sata drive, 3Gb per second is the maximum speed supported by the interface. It's also a lie... Which translates to 375MB/s that you never get off one device. More like 50MB/s for traditional hard drives unless they are RAIDed. Even with performance improvement of ssds that are now coming out, leveraging multiple non-volitile cards, it's unlikely that 1 card or one ssd drive will ever max out/reach the "interface speed."

Right now you can buy an SSD disk that will do 120MB/s. MTRON is the manufacturer. And it scales so that you can max out your RAID controller with 9 disks.... That's cool. And expensive... It's based on flash technology with multiple cards in the drive configured for performance and reliability. Still not even half way there with multiple cards...

The reason I'm mentioning all that is because the article states the inteface speed, and that's where the lies/assumptions begin... ;) I would love to be proven wrong. Speed turns me on. It's just that one must see through the marketing in order to build an accurate map of reality.

All that said, an improvement is an improvement, as long as it measurable and real... This will be an improvement.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

That's the "interface" speed. Interface speed is a future ceiling, not a throughput...

When you go to the store and buy a sata drive, 3Gb per second is the maximum speed supported by the interface. It's also a lie... Which translates to 375MB/s that you never get off one device. More like 50MB/s for traditional hard drives unless they are RAIDed. Even with performance improvement of ssds that are now coming out, leveraging multiple non-volitile cards, it's unlikely that 1 card or one ssd drive will ever max out/reach the "interface speed."

Right now you can buy an SSD disk that will do 120MB/s. MTRON is the manufacturer. And it scales so that you can max out your RAID controller with 9 disks.... That's cool. And expensive... It's based on flash technology with multiple cards in the drive configured for performance and reliability. Still not even half way there with multiple cards...

The reason I'm mentioning all that is because the article states the inteface speed, and that's where the lies/assumptions begin... ;) I would love to be proven wrong. Speed turns me on. It's just that one must see through the marketing in order to build an accurate map of reality.

All that said, an improvement is an improvement, as long as it measurable and real... This will be an improvement.

Speed... gimme what I need.... yeeouh.

Thanks, you're probably right :tongue:.

[Lexicon]

The first generation cards will likely only offer a small increase in performance but once the new flash memory tech is rolled out on the second or third generation CFast cards, you should get what you've been craving.

[Dylan Reeve]

That article suggests that the speed limitation in CF cards is the IDE interface - I don't believe that's true. AFAIK CF is based on the ATA standard and should be capable of up to ATA/133 by design - which is specified at 133MB/s (although obviously not actually that fast).

The good news is that the RED uses SATA internally already, so supporting these cards should only be a matter of a new physical interface. And I would imagine, assuming they share a similar physical profile, that someone could make a physical interface that supports both types.

I'll announce officially now, that once these cards are a common standard in file-based video acquisition, ShotWrangler will support them :)

[Christian Edwards]

it would be great to here a comment from Red on adaption of new technology ?they probably have ideas of their own ?

[Dylan Reeve]

Well they've built a modular product that can be expanded to support new formats.

At present I don't think there are any other formats that are suitable for RED's requirements, but I think it's safe to assume they will evaluate new formats as they arrive.