RED Starter Kit

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Hoping to make it financialy until Jan.21-24 and join the RED family/cult/believers i realized i don't know if the $17500 and a lens set will be enough for me to start shooting stuff when they arrive.

I am sure this information is somewhere burried around the 3 basic RED forums but couldn't find it here or red.com.

I understand there will be an HD lcd monitor in the package but not sure about batteries or (more importantly) storage mediums. Will RED ship with a REDFLASH or REDDRIVE? Will we have to add those to the cost?

Also, will the lcd monitor be mountable on the main RED body somehow or will we need the REDCAGE or something else for that?

Miltos

[Evin Grant]

The LCD will be camera mountable, AFAIK the camera will come with one battery. You will still need to buy either a RedDrive or a RedFlash (Both under 1K) and probably the redrail to mount it all to.

[Alex Boothby]

- REDDRIVE (mini-raid) is said to cost under $1000 (for 320GB)
- REDFLASH also separate (32 - 128GB - starts at for under $1000)
- unclear if REDFLASH port will ship with camera
- REDCINE software said to be free for reservation holders (to change?)
- batteries - don't know.
- LCD monitor said to mount anywhere, but I would at least try to buy that little handle which has extra mounting points.

Lots of info here:
http://www.hdforindies.com/2006/12/red-update-much-bigger-red-drive.html
&
http://www.hdforindies.com/2006/11/hd4nds-exclusive-big-red-update-part-2.html#links
&
http://www.hdforindies.com/2006/11/hd4nds-big-red-update-exclusive.html#links

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Edit - whoops didn't see you're post Evin

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Thanks for the info guys!

time for budget re-adjustment now! :-)

[Alex Boothby]

Well, I may be opening myself up to some major ridicule but here is my half-assed Red budget. Many, many, many guesses and assumptions follow.

For clarity (and self-preservation) all (silly) RED-assumptions are in RED.

TIER 1
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$17,500 - RED ONE -
$1,750 - RED RAIL -
$250 - RED HANDLE -
$2000 - 2X RED DRIVE -
$1500 - Shipping & Customs from USA
$750 - RED NIKON LENS MOUNT -
$2,500 - NIKOR LENSES - (Nikon 17-35mm = $1,959 Canadian)
$1000 - MATTE BOX / FILTERS -
$1250 - BATTERIES -
$1250 - Tripod
$500 - Camera Bag & Raincover
$750 - Mic and cables (mixer?)
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$31 000 - Tier 1 Total (US$)
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TIER 2
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$9,500 - RED ZOOM
$750 - Red Rock Follow Focus
$1000 - RED FLASH or 3rd RED DRIVE
$1000 - RED CAGE
$2,500 - RED EVF
$750 - Shipping & Customs from USA
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$15 500 - Tier 2 Total (US$)
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TOTAL TIER 1 + 2
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$46 500 - Tier 1 & 2 Total (US$)
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[Alex Boothby]

If anyone feels like correcting any of the above numbers expect to get one of two responses:

1.) "Thank God :) "
2.) "Sucks :( "

And yes, I plan to go second-hand on some things. Thanks in advance.

[Alexander Nikishin]

If anyone feels like correcting any of the above numbers expect to get one of two responses:

1.) "Thank God :) "
2.) "Sucks :( "

And yes, I plan to go second-hand on some things. Thanks in advance.

My interpretation on the numbers are a little different;

$250 - RED NIKON LENS MOUNT (I'd hate to pay $750 for a lens mount)
$5000 - Tripod - Oconnor 1030HD (Of all the things you'd buy you wouldn't want to go cheap on the tripod. Red may push into the 18 lb. range)

As for the Red Rock Follow Focus, I own one and would sadly have to say, it just doesn't cut it based on the amount of play it has on its gear. I would strongly recommend picking up a Chrosziel follow focus, costs around $1,500 but no play, just smooth controlled reliability.

[Alex Boothby]

$250 - RED NIKON LENS MOUNT


Thank God :)



$5000 - Tripod - Oconnor 1030HD .

Sucks :(

[Mike Zinner]

The Red Rock Follow Focus play is now fixed in all new devices shipped and even the old ones can be fixed - more or less - easily.

We got an $2k Arri follow focus because we also considered the Red Rock Follow Focus unusable but after the fix it works equally well.

The Red Rock lens gears also work with the Arri follow focus btw.

[Alexander Nikishin]

The Red Rock Follow Focus play is now fixed in all new devices shipped and even the old ones can be fixed - more or less - easily.

We got an $2k Arri follow focus because we also considered the Red Rock Follow Focus unusable but after the fix it works equally well.

The Red Rock lens gears also work with the Arri follow focus btw.

Cool, wasn't aware of an upgrade to the internals of the RR Follow Focus, I'll have to check into that, thanks! :)

[Alexander Nikishin]

The only problem now that I see with using the RR Follow Focus for a Red/Nikon lens setup would be the 15mm rod supports used for the RR and the possibly larger rods that will be used for the Red Rails.

[Sanjin Jukic]

The Red Rock Follow Focus play is now fixed in all new devices shipped and even the old ones can be fixed - more or less - easily.

We got an $2k Arri follow focus because we also considered the Red Rock Follow Focus unusable but after the fix it works equally well.

The Red Rock lens gears also work with the Arri follow focus btw.
Thanks Mike,

I will try to fix my RedRock follow focus today.

[Alvise Tedesco]

Sanjin, you maybe better wait few days
http://www.redrockmicro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2445&start=45

[Sanjin Jukic]

Alvice, Mile Mile Grazie,

I see Brian Valente is targeting jan 15th for the upgrade to be available.

[Dominic Jones]

The only problem now that I see with using the RR Follow Focus for a Red/Nikon lens setup would be the 15mm rod supports used for the RR and the possibly larger rods that will be used for the Red Rails.
That's a good point - any word on which standard the RedRail will adopt??

I would imagine for a camera this size they *will* go for the 15mm "video" standard - it would also be helpful in that accessories tend to be cheaper for that standard too...

[Finner]

That's a good point - any word on which standard the RedRail will adopt??

I would imagine for a camera this size they *will* go for the 15mm "video" standard - it would also be helpful in that accessories tend to be cheaper for that standard too...

I am not sure what the rod standard size and distance apart are for ARRI and other film cameras but I suspect with RED shooting for a production level camera with a PL mount they will adopt this standard. Anyone know what that standard is?

[Martin Drew]

Jim previously said that You have the option of using 19mm, 15mm studio or 15mm lite rods. So it is all dead standard.

Martin

[Scott Webster]

Jim previously said that You have the option of using 19mm, 15mm studio or 15mm lite rods. So it is all dead standard.

Martin

Yes the spacing and rod diameters will be industry standard but what option will you have for horizontal and vertical shift for lining up matte boxes with various lenses?

[Mike Zinner]

The Arri FF-4 follow focus we have has support for both 15mm and 19mm rods (see here (http://www.strattoncamera.com/pdf/ff_4_e.pdf)). So it works on the P&S Mini35 15mm rods (when we use the cam shoulder mount) as well as on the 19mm Arri rods (tripot mounted).

I hope that the Red Cage supports both 15mm & 19mm as visualized in earlier renderings so I can use the Red Rock FF alternatively.

[Finner]

Jim previously said that You have the option of using 19mm, 15mm studio or 15mm lite rods. So it is all dead standard.

Martin

I wish it were that easy Martin. You bring in Aaton Arri Panavision and each has different rod spacing and placement standard so there unfortunately is no such thing as "dead standard". This is why when you see a HD camera with 35mm lenses it is frankensteined together. This is why I suggested RED may adopt the Arri/Arricam/Moviecam standard because it seems to have the most aftermarket options available.

[chuck colburn]

I am not sure what the rod standard size and distance apart are for ARRI and other film cameras but I suspect with RED shooting for a production level camera with a PL mount they will adopt this standard. Anyone know what that standard is?

15mm rods are used on 60mm or 100mm centerline spacings.

[Finner]

15mm rods are used on 60mm or 100mm centerline spacings.

Do you know which spacing (60mm or 100mm) is more common. From the Arri cameras I have used they all have seemed to have the same spacing. Before now that spacing really didn't effect me but now I will need to start checking out FF's and Matte boxes.

[chuck colburn]

Do you know which spacing (60mm or 100mm) is more common. From the Arri cameras I have used they all have seemed to have the same spacing. Before now that spacing really didn't effect me but now I will need to start checking out FF's and Matte boxes.

Hi Finner,

I poked around the net a little bit and it seems that the 60mm spacing is used mainly with 16mm cameras, ENG and those little prosumer camcorders. The 100mm spaced rods are found on 35mm cine and some HD video cameras.
Call Jerry Kosan at JBK Cinequipt. He's a good guy and makes nice support equipment for cameras. I'm sure he can guide you down the proper path.

http://www.jbkcinequipt.com/photos.htm

Tell him Chuck Colburn says "not now Jerry I'm busy"

Chuck