Enough discussion. Place your bets.

[combatentropy]

Here's mine:

1. S16
2. 2K
3. Interchangeable lens
4. Pocket-size only without lens or screen (same LCD as Red One)

[Phil Maker]

1. 35mm chip
2. 2K
3. 4 4 4
4. Fixed lens

[Finner]

1. Prototype empty shell shown.
2. Taking reservations.
3. Not ready for at least a year and a half.

[James T Mather]

10 million pixel resolution -
fits in a matchbox
super 65mm DOF
will actually write your script, cast and finance your film.

costs 1 dollar 97 cents - state tax an extra average of 15cents.

jesus guys - they already gave you one revolutionary cinema camera - when is enough enough. It's a pocket camera.

[Tinkleton]

lol.. word.

[Carl Larsen]

2K raw
Rugged
Waterproof
fixed lens
coming in 2009

[Paul Hazlett]

1. 1080p..less competition for red one

2. similiar to panny hdc-sd1 but shoots raw onto cf cards

3. xlr or mini xlr (2 ch.) connections as well as similiar video outs as Red one

4. fixed lens from 18-50 supplier w/ easy path to Red brand Still lens adapter.

5. will not write your script but will make a mean capuccino in the morning.

shipping end of the year.

[red i wanabe]

1080p
1/2, 2/3, 16mm chip?
Cf card recording
Fixed lens
Options for 35mm DOF
Awsome redness
Will be so cool looking that celebrities will use em.
I don't know about lcds and evfs, but it should be pretty good.
Hd/SDI out would be nice but I doubt it.

Who knows it could be a 35 sensor at 1080p, but wait isn't that Genesis land.

Whether it's a super cine cam or a good prosumer cam I'll take 7:)

[red i wanabe]

1. Prototype empty shell shown.
2. Taking reservations.
3. Not ready for at least a year and a half.


Man you suck Finner. Why did ya have to go and brust our bubble.

[red i wanabe]

Yeaaa I know your right, but still.

[Jaime Vallés]

2K
S16mm DOF
PL mount
Up to 120fps
CF recording only
Redcode RAW only
2 miniXLR
Flip-out LCD
Size of an HV20 (without lens)
$5000

Just a guess as to what will be announced. I'd love it if it had S35mm DOF instead of S16mm DOF, but I'm not sure if they can do that.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

1. 70mm chip
2. 8K
3. Redcode Uncompressed, but recordable to CF.
4. Varispeed 1-240 fps.
5. AI Assist for Framing
6. AI Analytical software for AI lighting decisions.
(5 and 6 make DPs unnecessary)
7. under 3k $.
8. Pocket-Sized for a baby's dress' pockets.
9. Invulnerable to heavy physical abuse [throwing it from at least the 3rd floor]
10. AI kung fu abilities + plasma minigun protection against thieves.
11. Self-destruct auto-function if 11. fails.
12. 8 modes of vibration possible.


I gotta stop now.



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[Ethan Cooper]

Finner - You don't know me, and I don't know you, but I gotta say that I'm worried about you man. Early on in these forums you were funny, a bit wacky, more hopeful, but lately you've been sounding a bit jaded. I know you've had some one on one time with Red One, has your experience burned you a bit? Maybe it was the release of that god awful Knight Rider remake that pushed you over the edge, but it's like... I don't even know you anymore... we've grown apart... I miss reading the old Finner.

Oh, and I think you're probably right on this one.

Someone mentioned 120fps on CF only. Red One can't do that so it ain't gonna happen here either. I also don't think they'll give a $5,000 camera a PL mount. I don't see them doing anything to hurt their marquee product.

My best guess is that it'll be a small prosumerish camera with a fixed lens with full manual control that records to Raw. Raw will be the main thing that separates it from the competition in the sub $8,000 market.
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[red i wanabe]

Yeah I can live with 35mm Adaptors.

[Finner]

Finner - You don't know me, and I don't know you, but I gotta say that I'm worried about you man. Early on in these forums you were funny, a bit wacky, more hopeful, but lately you've been sounding a bit jaded. I know you've had some one on one time with Red One, has your experience burned you a bit? Maybe it was the release of that god awful Knight Rider remake that pushed you over the edge, but it's like... I don't even know you anymore... we've grown apart... I miss reading the old Finner.

Oh, and I think you're probably right on this one.


Actually I am just screwing with the scarlet fanboys that get all hyped up. For all I know the scarlet could be ready shortly after NAB?

As for jaded I don't think that is the case. Just maybe a little tired of people stating incorrect facts. The red is a great camera and I am looking forward to getting it. Is the red a film killer or better then the big dollar f23, dalsa or others? NO, but it is a fantastic camera and produces much better images then many HD cameras on the market.

So sorry if I have sounded grumpy or appeared to tear down the red camera as I do feel very highly about the camera and its images.

[Ravell]

My guess....(Skip if you don't want a boring retread, probably all been said elsewhere in this forum)

Whatever Scarlet's shape or design or features it will be something that you'd have to be a fool or very very brave to try to use as an A-camera.

Jim is not stupid. It will not be anywhere near to the Red camera. It will not be remotely close to a viable alternative to shooting on Red. It will not be anything that presents a prospective buyer with the choice - "Hmmm, the Red is incredible, but I could just shoot my indie feature on Scarlet and look how cheap it is. 2k is more than enough." Not gonna happen. All been said a million times before. I think everyone probably realizes that by now. Not an "HVX killer," not an "EX-1 killer," probably not even an "HV20 killer."

What does that leave? I'm not sure. Maybe something we haven't even realized we need yet. I'm pretty certain that while there are going to be lots and lots of whiners about what it turns out NOT to be - it will be very very cool.

So....Red reservation holders get priority. It's something they would want. It's somehow complementary to Red.

An extra recording head that attaches to Red?
A super high speed module?
A crash camera?
A Behind the scenes/production diary/location scouting camera?
A lipstick camera to fit where Red can't?

Barebones prototype with base features enabled at NAB
First run for Red owners shipping by end of year, open ordering early '09.

My 2 cents. A final bit of speculation before Nab is upon us. :)

[Ethan Cooper]

So....Red reservation holders get priority.

Is that still the case? I remember that idea being thrown out there at the beginning but somehow I thought it had gone by the way side. If that's still the case then... ah hell, who knows. Guess we'll find out in a month.
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[Ravell]

Oh, maybe it was thrown out. I'm not sure. I only remember hearing about it from Jim's original thread on the subject.

[Ethan Cooper]

I could be completely making that up. Anyone know if the policy of reservation holders having first dibs is still in play?
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[red i wanabe]

If it's not going to kill the hv20 and the than what is it gona do? Kill the DSR PDX10?

So the real question is, Is it a movie cameror a tv camera?
Can be used as both like an HVX?

[Andrew Hewlett]

2K
PL or C Mount
Redcode to CF
s16mm

[Mark L. Pederson]

It's a cell phone.

[I Bloom]

It's a cigar.

[red i wanabe]

it has the exact same specs as the red one except it's a still camera.:bleh:

[Carl Larsen]

Jim doesn't have a history of making crap. Whatever it is, I think scarlet is largely underestimated.

We'll see at NAB.... and most likely end up waiting longer.

[Andrew Hewlett]

it has the exact same specs as the red one except it's a still camera.:bleh:

I think I'd be happy with my 5D then. Plus it sort of goes against it being a motion capture camera, but I guess you can capture motion with a still camera if the frame rate was high enough.

[Mike Bozulich]

Whatever it is, I think scarlet is largely underestimated.

Somebody hasn't been reading these threads. When people are posting 4K, 35mm sensor, etc, it's kind of impossible to live up to the unrealistic expectations some have.

I'm sure it will be cool for what it is, but there are going to be lots of disappointed people as well.

[Aiden Cornwell]

2k
fixed lens
$2000

[mad_paddler]

35mm Mysterium (same sensor)
1080 24p & 60i
SDHC Card
18-85mm fixed lens with DOF
Built in parachute in case it's dropped

[Scott Webster]

It's a cell phone.

Yes it is!

[killfilm]

Yes it is!

LOL. so how do you operate it, do you phone somebody ...

for documentary production.....press 1

for television drama...press 2

for film production....press 3

otherwise hangup and try another camera

[Tonaci Tran]

My guesses:

1) Will DEFINITELY shoot 2k minimum
- based on Jim's repeated statements these formats (720p and 1080p) are a "WASTE of time":
"http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=62945&postcount=1"

2) Not 4k
-not only is not supposed to compete with Red One which already shoots 4k, wouldn't shooting 4k require 35mm glass thus requiring to be no longer "pocket"?

3) records to CF.
totally makes sense..they have red cards, they know they work, and it's compact enough for a "pocket" cam.

4) shoots RAW
anything less is uncivilized.. offifically announced Scratch Support pretty much confirms it will shoot raw imo.

5) 4,999.99
Just a guess like anyone else.

[Daniel Browning]

114-degree AOV fixed zoom lens (14-24mm equiv in 35mm still film)
1/4" 2K 24-30p sensor
RAW, CF
$5,000

I think the principle clues Jim has given us is that it's for professionals and it will have a far wider market appeal than the RED ONE. So what's the one shot that you can't get today with any mass-market camera, or even the RED ONE?

Wide-angle, cramped-corner shots! Think David Mullen's capsule shot in The Astronaut Farmer, or the dashboard shots on The Office (their quality is so poor that they stick out like camera-phone footage). Such shots require a pocket size, wide angle lens, and would beautifully complement the RED ONE. Plus, it would be revolutionary in an industry fixated on telephoto and high zoom ratios.

There is a severe lack of high-quality wide angle high-resolution cameras right now. The best value right now is the 68-degree AOV, such as I get with my XH A1; and even then the lens is riddled with chromatic and spherical abberations, distortion, coma, vignetting, you name it. (Not to mention the additional degradation brought on by adapters if you want to get into ultra-wide territory.)

It will be for people who have the good taste to appreciate wide angle cinematography.

[arturrito]

2 K
CF cards
35mm sensor
PL or C mount
XLR
LCD

10K.

[killfilm]

2k
fixed lens
VFR
CF recording
24bit audio

$4000-$7000

[Craig W. Bickerstaff]

It's a cigar.

So that's why castro resigned... he's the lead designer!

[casals]

It will come guys, just gotta be patient, everything at the right price and time, everything will come unless some kind of natural disaster happens, but if you see what we had twenty five years ago and what we have now, it makes you think, and the development of new technologies is constantly geometrically speeding. If everything goes cool, let´s see in another twenty five years, could you imagine how our tools will be, but I guess that a good lense will always be a good lense, unless they pull some weird based gelatin scanners that pick up density and reflection and process it like the eye, it might be infinite, and you can pick up a microspe and you would be able to see as far as you want, but there are limits, I guess our own eye, so that is where we are aiming for. And good looks, and we will always need a good script, and the dessire to tell a story. I believe we are priviledged to live at this time and place that we can afford to play with human minds and amazing toys, instead of making our own bread or searching for water of health, you know, the basics.
By the way I´m shooting a feature in Quito, South America. I want to shoot with red, I´m not a tech genius like some of you, but I´m not stupid and I´m certain the future has leaped like ten years at least thanks to red and I want to start with the right foot. I need a red in the month of August, wanna shoot for 40 days and get amazing visuals. That is my expertise, playing with images. As a cinematographer, my dream is to make it perfect. And most important, I will need a genius that rocks, that nows everythng about the camera. So if you now anybody that is interested to join this adventure please let me know. And from now on I will use the right post, but I just like some of the dry sarcasm in some of the answers to the thread.

Thanks
Casals