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Jannard
03-16-2008, 11:54 AM
I made a post on another thread that commented that there were 10 studio features and several tv shows being shot on RED. The truthfulness of that statement was questioned. While I cannot give out all of the details quite yet, I can give a few... hopefully enough to lend a bit of credibility to the statement.
Here's half.
Soderbergh-
"Guerrilla"- Benicio del Toro- all RED prototypes
"The Argentine"- Benicio del Toro- all RED prototypes
"The Informant"- Matt Damon- all RED
Dean Devlin-
"Leverage"- Timothy Hutton- all RED
Taylor and Neveldine
"Game"- Gerard Butler- all RED
"Wanted"- only some RED (prototypes)
"Jumper" only some RED (prototypes)
"GI Joe" in production- Film & RED
... we just found out a new Michael Douglas feature is being shot on RED in New Orleans.
Several more that we know about, including many "all RED", that we can't mention until we get permission.
I'm sure some of you know more that I haven't heard about... like Offhollywood. :-)
Jim
Tony Lorentzen
03-16-2008, 12:17 PM
"Crossing The Line" shown in 4K at IBC in Amsterdam was all the proof I needed. I have no doubt that this camera will change the "bloodline" of the business - my own included.
Tom Lowe
03-16-2008, 12:17 PM
David mentioned over on cinematography.com this morning that he and the Polish Bros might consider using RED for their two upcoming features. He mentioned that they had expressed interest in the camera. You should invite David and the brothers over to RED HQ at some point. It sounds like they are a few months away from pre-production right now on more or less back to back features.
4K London
03-16-2008, 12:31 PM
Some one mentioned to me at the UK BSC show that some shots of the new James Bond are Red.
laguun
03-16-2008, 12:33 PM
I'm sure some of you know more that I haven't heard about... like Offhollywood. :-)
Jim
congratulations on the fast acceptance! And these pioneers are, if i might say that... very cool artists.
i know of 5 planned fullfeatures in berlin which are decided to go red, and am contracted for 3 of them. These 3 will go red instead of film. This summer will see many red shootings over here :)
Jannard
03-16-2008, 12:40 PM
My real bet is that there are over 20 features shooting or planning to shoot RED. 10 was a very conservative number. Not all are "studio" funded however. Since we started shipping what was considered "beta production" just 6 months ago, I think these numbers are miraculous.
We still have much to do to dial in our program. We are attacking details every day... and certainly appreciate everyone's patience while this garage operation matures.
Jim
CJ Roy
03-16-2008, 12:43 PM
Jim- Any idea on how GI JOE is using the Red? I heard a funny story about it, from someone working on it, the other day.
Mark L. Pederson
03-16-2008, 01:00 PM
Our THIRD "all Red" feature starts shooting tomorrow "As Good As Dead" -
Our FOURTH starts in MAY -
Talking to about a half-dozen other green-lit features that shoot East Coast Spring/Summer that are seriously interested in RED -
The word is out - and plenty footage to show producers -
Finner
03-16-2008, 01:02 PM
I made a post on another thread that commented that there were 10 studio features and several tv shows being shot on RED. The truthfulness of that statement was questioned
Jim
Jim the credibility of the person that questioned you was severely lacking. The camera has come a long way and is really doing quite well right now.
I think the post backlash must be kind of bitter sweet right now for all of you at red. On one hand it must be tough to hear all the complaints and moaning over poor post options. On the other it must be nice that the bitching over camera issues has become much less as the camera itself is really holding its own now.
Jannard
03-16-2008, 01:14 PM
I think the post backlash must be kind of bitter sweet right now for all of you at red. On one hand it must be tough to hear all the complaints and moaning over poor post options. On the other it must be nice that the bitching over camera issues has become much less as the camera itself is really holding its own now.
Yes it is.
Jim
David Birdy
03-16-2008, 02:05 PM
Jim,
I have two major networks interested in the Red Ones...but no camera yet!!!!
Help!!
Dave
laguun
03-16-2008, 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by Finner
I think the post backlash must be kind of bitter sweet right now for all of you at red. On one hand it must be tough to hear all the complaints and moaning over poor post options. On the other it must be nice that the bitching over camera issues has become much less as the camera itself is really holding its own now.
Yes it is.
Jim
i have to admit that i have the same bitter/sweet when i write about the state of postproduction right now... i cant express how impressed i am by what you and everyone at red achieved with the camera, however i think it is also crucial that you also get the feedback on the problems we are facing out here in the wild/at the front.
laguun
03-16-2008, 02:11 PM
My real bet is that there are over 20 features shooting or planning to shoot RED. 10 was a very conservative number. Not all are "studio" funded however. Since we started shipping what was considered "beta production" just 6 months ago, I think these numbers are miraculous.
I think that even 20 is pretty conservative.
We still have much to do to dial in our program. We are attacking details every day... and certainly appreciate everyone's patience while this garage operation matures.
Jim
Its a garage with rockets, laser-rays and a sometimes malfunctioning time-machine :)
Joel Kaye
03-16-2008, 02:20 PM
On the other it must be nice that the bitching over camera issues has become much less as the camera itself is really holding its own now.
And of those 2 things which is more important really? If the camera didn't perform then the post issues would be irrelevant. Getting the camera right first and then tackling post is what makes sense long term. Short term it's painful for lower end users who can't throw top technology at the problem.
If the camera didn't perform RED would be spelled DOA.
Ralph N Madison
03-16-2008, 02:27 PM
There is an indi feature shooting with RED in New Orleans "Girls gone Gangster" A fine fine production. They still have my &*#@ gear head.
laguun
03-16-2008, 02:28 PM
And of those 2 things which is more important really? If the camera didn't perform then the post issues would be irrelevant. Getting the camera right first and then tackling post is what makes sense long term. Short term it's painful for lower end users who can't throw top technology at the problem.
You are wrong, its not as easy as that.
There are many top-end customers who run realtime 4K systems as baselight/clipster and have $.$$$.$$$ DI suites, mid-class customers who have issues with their avids etc as there are "low-end" users with FCS and Adobe CS3 which would prefer not to transcode to prores/cineform etc.
But lets not go offtopic please, there are more than enough postproduction discussion threads covering these topics.
i think the fact that so many features are using or did complete shooting on red is speaking for itself. Dedicated pioneers are able to overcome most obstacles anyhow...
Joel Kaye
03-16-2008, 02:31 PM
You are wrong
Well, wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. :-) But I do think if the camera sucked RED would yesterday's news. Like the Kinetta.
laguun
03-16-2008, 02:46 PM
Well, wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong. :-) But I do think if the camera sucked RED would yesterday's news. Like the Kinetta.
The camera, with all issues it has, is outstanding. 120P digital is awesome for action/drama/vfx, 4K resolution is gorgeous for these wide shots and gives pan / scan out of heaven for 2K masters, arri pl/2/3 adapter allows us to use almost any of our optics on one camera, size and weight allow flexible operation and many special shots, reusable digital media are excellent news for any producer, the price/performance ratio is radically good, the colordepth allows high-class DI... etc etc.
While there are situations in which i might prefer a hdcam (or even rarer, a 35mm film), red will often be the new "default" for top-productions here.
Peter McCully
03-16-2008, 02:51 PM
For this camera to be out there and proving it'self and at the same time still be undergoing developmental improvement is a good thing. The result will be a battle hardened system that is future profing it'self as it evolves.
Warren Kommers
03-16-2008, 03:23 PM
That guy was way off course last night. Glad you posted this.
Hey Jim,
How do I get a hold of you now? PM me.
-Warren
Sean R.
03-16-2008, 03:31 PM
That guy was way off course last night. Glad you posted this.
[QUOTE=HOLLYWOOD SCHMOLLYWOOD;176361]
Yeah I couldn't resist sending him a friendly PM at 1:30 am.
It was good to see users like yourself jumping to back us up against such uncalled for madness
ChristopherKenworthy
03-16-2008, 03:34 PM
Please add another feature to that list. Second Unit has begun on The Sculptor (http://www.skyviewfilms.com), and Principal Photography is any minute now. Red is beautiful, and gets simpler every day.
Oh, and I know that list is meant to be studio features, but in Australia if you have a company that produces features, you are a studio.
I'd love to see a list of Indie Features shot on Red.
Warren Kommers
03-16-2008, 03:43 PM
oh and yes. one more feature. start one on the 1st. "Mary Barger"
Michael Stanmore
03-16-2008, 04:20 PM
Yeah the list of indy features shooting Red will be the really amazing number because it's a camera that has touched the imagination of indy directors and producers all over the world. We're one of the biggest supporters of the Redolution. My own buch here in the UK are in preproduction on a fewture to shoot later this year...and there are clearly many more like us. Somewhere amongst us is the next Robert Rodriguez...and that will be great publicity when those films are ruling Sundace and the other major feilm festivals, and the Directors are up there giving their Q & A and are preaching the redolution.
All I can say is the last film I directed had a 133:1 shooting ratio :sick: I love the idea of shooting digital even if just for that... Rodriguez blew much of his mariachi money on stock and developing...
filip kovcin
03-16-2008, 04:36 PM
well, it looks to me that now is good time to start RED FILM FESTIVAL !
here in Poland, there is already VERY recognizable CAMERIMAGE film festival, so maybe this is also good place to start RED FILM FESTIVAL - for all films shoot on RED.
what do you think?
filip
grukes
03-16-2008, 05:47 PM
One more feature with RED.We´ll start to shoot "THE FROST" next week in spain and norway locations. One of the main actress is Bibi Anderson, Bermang´s muse. There are four o five features will be shotting with red one the next months in spain too..and at this moment, you only can find 6 red in a spanish rental camera houses...there´s a long long cue to rent.
Gabi garcia ( ACTV)
Assistant camara / DIT
http//:www.digitea.es/blog
Stephen Pruitt
03-16-2008, 05:48 PM
We are shooting our first feature film, "Tossed and Found," this coming summer. It is a romantic comedy being shot in western Kansas and Kansas City, Missouri. We think it will be the first feature shot on the RED in this area. We'll be using two REDs for the film.
Stephen
Mark L. Pederson
03-16-2008, 05:51 PM
started this thread -
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10242
Shawn Booth
03-16-2008, 05:55 PM
well, it looks to me that now is good time to start RED FILM FESTIVAL !
here in Poland, there is already VERY recognizable CAMERIMAGE film festival, so maybe this is also good place to start RED FILM FESTIVAL - for all films shoot on RED.
what do you think?
filip
a RED only festival - could be great. I'd go.
Brent J. Craig
03-16-2008, 06:33 PM
a RED only festival - could be great. I'd go.
It makes about as much sense as a festival for films shot on Kodak 5218, or ones that used an O'connor 2575 head.
A tool is a tool. Red is an awesome tool and we are all fortunate to be working with it, but a film festival that celebrates a tool?!?
Pol Turrents
03-16-2008, 06:41 PM
The Frost (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0879403/), a coproduction between spain and norway is going to begin in the next weeks. In this picture, there is Bibi Andersson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000761/) (Bergman's muse!!! she was in seventh seal and wild strawberries!) with the red at the make up tests:
http://www.digitea.es/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/2.jpg
(taken from www.digitea.es/blog )
Steve Sherrick
03-16-2008, 08:31 PM
My RED will shoot a feature this summer with A-list talent, but not exactly a studio produced feature either. A unique film that will push the camera quite a bit. All I can say for now as I'm under NDA. :whistling:
Let's just say the director was very happy with the tests.
Steve Gibby
03-16-2008, 09:05 PM
A soon to be disclosed production company and GibCor are currently co-producing several television programs scheduled for 2009 national and international distribution, plus an indie feature for 2009 release. We're using six RED ONE cameras, plus a few other cameras of other manufacture.
Jason Wingrove
03-16-2008, 11:27 PM
Alex Proyas shooting "Knowing' on Red Next Month in Melbourne.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448011/
MikeHedge
03-16-2008, 11:35 PM
nice.
love this list.
Jeff Brue
03-17-2008, 12:12 AM
We're up to 6 reds as well...sadly can't announce what we're doing with them yet....
James T Mather
03-17-2008, 12:59 AM
I heard a couple of days ago from a camera department crewmember in Dubai that the new underworld sequel was shooting on the Red. He seemed certain about it. Beyond that it's unsubstantiated but I thought I would add to the fervour.
gbalaji
03-17-2008, 01:13 AM
My real bet is that there are over 20 features shooting or planning to shoot RED. 10 was a very conservative number. Not all are "studio" funded however. Since we started shipping what was considered "beta production" just 6 months ago, I think these numbers are miraculous.
We still have much to do to dial in our program. We are attacking details every day... and certainly appreciate everyone's patience while this garage operation matures.
Jim
Jim,
I was approached by a producer from India about availability of RED for purchase or rental for their TV feature (One of our Epic [India]). He doesn't book RED yet. I suggested them to shoot on 2K camera since the unavailability of RED for purchase. If by any chance you would like to help out our client we would love to shoot one of our EPIC in RED! This is not a pitch to get RED out of queue and this is just for your information about the love people have with RED.
India will be the first country to go maximum feature to be shot on RED with in 3 to 4 years with the growth of more and more Digital Cinema Exhibition systems (approximately 1000 or more cinema halls till date equipped with Digital Cinema Projection & E-Cinema projection and more on pipeline).
pedrojosemendez
03-17-2008, 01:53 AM
Bibi Anderson, Bermang´s muse ??????
:-)
Gunleik Groven
03-17-2008, 03:18 AM
This is real cool!
Now, get me that tracking number :)
Gunleik
Bing Bailey
03-17-2008, 07:06 AM
I wonder if the new star wars tv series will be shot on RED. we know GL loves technology. specially new technology and with the kind of keys you can pull with red footage and not having to digitize. I'm sure ole george would just love star wars in 4k
Brook Willard
03-17-2008, 08:43 AM
I can think of three series going RED this coming season... And everybody here would know every one of them.
Tom Lowe
03-17-2008, 08:57 AM
I wonder if the new star wars tv series will be shot on RED. we know GL loves technology. specially new technology and with the kind of keys you can pull with red footage and not having to digitize. I'm sure ole george would just love star wars in 4k
He might not, considering that he bottlenecked his last two star wars features at 1080p!
Luke Boyce
03-17-2008, 09:04 AM
I can think of three series going RED this coming season... And everybody here would know every one of them.
Dammit!! I wish you guys would tell us this stuff. It's so juicy to use for investors.
Zac C
03-17-2008, 09:13 AM
LOST? prob not, but that would be amazing!!
24?? since rodney charters pretty much loves digital
and...
umm?
fifty bucks says its some doctor drama..
i think we need someone young to wield a red, for a film... hey, im 17, love film, love red even more, whatcha say Jim?
number6
03-17-2008, 09:20 AM
LOST?
Isn't that supposed to be spelled Loost?
Dane Brehm
03-17-2008, 10:09 AM
Another to add to the list.....Downstream shooting in LA right now for the next 3 weeks. I did 2nd Unit up here in Norcal on #401 and Videofax's #175. Norcal Footage looks amazing!
Dane Brehm
03-17-2008, 10:10 AM
Another feature to add to the list....."Downstream" is shooting 2 Reds in LA right now for the next 3 weeks. I did 2nd Unit up here in Norcal on #401 and Videofax's #175. Norcal Footage looks amazing!
Paul Lee
03-17-2008, 10:13 AM
OK, it's official, so add it to the list:
"Woodshop" being produced in Colorado.
We have already shot about 40 pages of script and do the rest starting Friday. In addition to a great cast of young actors, both local and LA, we've got Jesse Ventura as the high school shop teacher (yes, really) as well as Mitch Pileggi and Don S. Davis in supporting rolls. Every frame of this film is being shot RED 4K.
woodshopmovie.com (updated production stills, etc.)
http://imdb.com/title/tt1189267/
Wes Printz
03-17-2008, 12:01 PM
I heard a couple of days ago from a camera department crewmember in Dubai that the new underworld sequel was shooting on the Red. He seemed certain about it. Beyond that it's unsubstantiated but I thought I would add to the fervour.
I can end speculation on this one, it's not being shot on RED.
any bollywood movies coming up on red? jimm?
James T Mather
03-17-2008, 03:14 PM
I can end speculation on this one, it's not being shot on RED.
Well that's all I got - Guess that's my career as an investigative journalist in the crapper. :)
el_stupido
03-17-2008, 11:30 PM
Surely NZ's big man on campus is gonna shoot somethin on it/is shooting something on it?
Dylan Reeve
03-18-2008, 01:11 AM
Surely NZ's big man on campus is gonna shoot somethin on it/is shooting something on it?
Assuming you mean PJ? Rumour has it he certainly has a few REDs but I don't think they have any work lined up just at the moment (but my speculation is pretty under-informed). They're shooting The Lovely Bones now, which I'm pretty sure is 35mm. Maybe Tintin will be a RED flick?
I reckon there's one member on the board who'd have a pretty good idea about it all.
Eric.T
03-18-2008, 03:53 AM
tintin is all 3d animation. so i dont think that he will use the red for that ;)
ChristopherKenworthy
03-18-2008, 04:42 AM
Given how much George Lucas loved that other camera he used, I'm sure he'd enjoy using the Red One on the live-action Star Wars series that's coming up. Surely. There was a horrible rumour about them shooting it all with HDV at one point, but Red must have caught his eye. It's exactly what he's been campaigning for during the past decade.
(This is my last post on Red User - barring some kind of emergency - for the next couple of months. Our feature's underway, and I have no good excuse to linger here any longer. I'll miss the place. And I'll report back with feature experience when it's done. For the record, so far, we're LOVING this camera.)
BradWright
03-18-2008, 09:50 AM
Competition drives change. If your competition is winning more jobs with a Red camera and you are using something else, you go out and buy a Red. The still photography industry has already switched from film to digital. It's now just a matter of time before the 99% of the motion picture industry goes that way, as well.
chuckt
03-18-2008, 09:53 AM
... and certainly appreciate everyone's patience while this garage operation matures.
Jim
Steve Jobs put together a computer in his garage and eventually killed off all the major main frame computer companies. Same way, Jim Jannard put together a 4K camera in his garage and that is going to kill off the Big movie camera makers like Arri. Movie producers are running away from film in droves. Jim is a hero like Jobs. No doubt.
Question is always what will the big guns do? Arri and Panavision cannot compete with RED on price and they do not have the business savvy like Jim. Panasonic and Canon are interested only in mass production consumer cameras. Movie cameras are not big enough market for them to enter. According to inside info, Sony is not interested in selling F23 or 35. They are just prototypes for R&D. They have their own product cycle plans. For example, they already have a replacement for Sony EX1. They will bring it out only after selling 1 million Sony Ex1. So, RED is alone in the Movie camera replacement business.
Those who bought into the vision of Jim so far are Geeks who think they can become movie directors by forking over their life savings for a camera body. Many of them dreamed of flipping it for a huge profit. Many bought RED and cannot figure out what to do with it. However, by selling 3000 cameras, Jim has made his investment back and made a nifty profit. In years to come, Jim will sell thousands more and rake in huge profits. No doubt Jim is a business genius.
In a few years, people will read about ‘film look’ in encyclopedias and in ancient history books. Everything will be in 4K digital. Kodak has already anticipated the death of 35 mm movie film in their business plans. Samsung is planning manufacture of 4K digital projection screens for movie theaters. Arri 535 will be in Smithsonian along with ploughs and swords from ancient Babylon. People will remember Jim Jannard as the visionary who made it all possible, while looking at his foot and palm prints on the Hollywood walk of fame.
I still reminisce about the simplicity of super 16 and 35 mm film cameras. You frame the scene, and just shoot. Develop the film and edit it by cutting and splicing. Make a print and start projecting. No storage worries, no FCP worries. No transfer to film. Life was simple. Any idiot could do it with a few thousand dollars. Now, you have to have DP, DIT, Post house, digital projection screens and hundreds of thousands of dollars. Good old days. You never know what you had until it is gone.
Brice Ansel
03-18-2008, 10:28 AM
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Those who bought into the vision of Jim so far are Geeks who think they can become movie directors by forking over their life savings for a camera body. Many bought RED and cannot figure out what to do with it.
With all my respect why not leaving people spending their money. I don't understand where the problem is. I don't need to be Schumacher to buy a ferrari.
And BTW sometime dreams and fantasy make life a bit sweeter.
Brice
Joel Kaye
03-18-2008, 11:15 AM
Any idiot could do it
This would appear to be the crux of the dillema.
Brook Willard
03-18-2008, 02:24 PM
...kill off the Big movie camera makers like Arri.
Oh, dear...
Jan Reiff
03-18-2008, 02:37 PM
don´t kill arri...
this company is a great one.
red is great too.
we need both.
Jannard
03-18-2008, 07:55 PM
Arri will be around forever... great company.
Jim
Shawn Nelson
03-18-2008, 08:19 PM
Arri is awesome! Good lighting company in my mind, I have a bunch of them. Red doesn't make lights and probably never will.
dvpixl
03-18-2008, 08:41 PM
I love the 235. not that I ever used it before. its just so nice to look at.
JohnLands
03-18-2008, 08:51 PM
Hiya. The film Beyond a reasonable doubt is being shot on the RED camera in shrevport Louisiana. We are using 3 red cameras with ultra prime lenses. The support on this film is amazing and we have had a blast making a great film and really putting the camera to the test. Keep up the good work.
JSTL
Greg M
03-18-2008, 09:41 PM
Librarian 3: Curse of the Judas Chalice is shooting in New Orleans
chuckt
03-19-2008, 06:25 AM
Just heard from another Sony insider:
"Sony has no plans to compete with RED. It is a niche market and Sony is into mass marketing. Last year they sold $10 Billion worth of Video equipment. They can't be bothered with puny niche market for 35 mm movie cameras."
So, practically Jim has no competion in the horizon. Smooth sailing..
Anthony Gratl
03-19-2008, 06:42 AM
chuckt, thanks for that info. smooth sailing huh? movie camera market huh? sony has no interest huh? no competition huh?
How much do panasonic and/or sony pay you to run a disinformation campaign?
Are these kinds of campaigns paid out by the week, or is it a straight up flat fee for services rendered kind of a gig?
Miltos Pilalitos
03-19-2008, 07:46 AM
Last year they sold $10 Billion worth of Video equipment.
No way this is true!! This Insider is crazy!
David Dennis
03-20-2008, 01:55 PM
Chuck, I'm curious about this one. You can buy a RED system for $35k and a FCP rig suitable to cut it for about $5k. So you have $40k invested and you can make 10 years worth of movies with it.
Nerdy writer Joe Queenan tried to make a film using a film camera, amateur actors and the like. It cost him $65k. The film was never released because it was awful. If he had shot with RED he at least would have had $40k of equipment he could have sold for about what he paid for it (thanks to the scarcity of RED cameras on the market).
I'm a nerdy amateur like Joe. More a documentary type than a theatrical, so I'm more likely to dream of Scarlet. But the way I see it, the world is a far better place for nerdy amateur types who have $50k or so to blow than it used to be. Since it used to be that you would have one chance to buy the film and one chance to get the perfect take and now you can make as many films as you want by owning the equipment and not having to pay huge rental or film stock fees.
I am sympathetic to your sadness and emotion over film, but I think that represents a far better future.
With all due respect, maybe you should open your mind a crack?
D
Shawn Booth
03-20-2008, 02:26 PM
Just heard from another Sony insider:
"Sony has no plans to compete with RED. It is a niche market and Sony is into mass marketing. Last year they sold $10 Billion worth of Video equipment. They can't be bothered with puny niche market for 35 mm movie cameras."
So, practically Jim has no competion in the horizon. Smooth sailing..
What about the ARRI F23?
What about Panavision's Genesis?
Silicon Imaging's camera?
Viper Film Stream?
Sony's F950?
I really don't think chuckt works for anyone - I think he wants to though.
DAMNIT! Did I just violate my own "The Bashing" ?
Shawn Booth
03-20-2008, 02:40 PM
Chuck, I'm curious about this one. You can buy a RED system for $35k and a FCP rig suitable to cut it for about $5k. So you have $40k invested and you can make 10 years worth of movies with it.
D
Just throwing this out there as well -
My RED package came in around $70K. New FCP station around $30K with bells and whistles and other hardware (I like whistles). My overall total spending came in around $140K.
An ARRI camera package with all bells and whistles (but no glass) is in a similar neighborhood. BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!
Before you can use this awesome film camera (and it is) you have to purchase film stock. And before you view your film, you have to develop it.
But we all know this.
So far - the RED is still the better choice simply based on numbers and ability.
But then again I am a RED nut. Albeit it a professional nut.
BradWright
03-20-2008, 02:50 PM
Just heard from another Sony insider:
"Sony has no plans to compete with RED. It is a niche market and Sony is into mass marketing. Last year they sold $10 Billion worth of Video equipment. They can't be bothered with puny niche market for 35 mm movie cameras."
So, practically Jim has no competion in the horizon. Smooth sailing..
The Titanic was also deemed unsinkable. You got to love it when history repeats itself.
chuckt
03-20-2008, 04:46 PM
It take 3 years for Sony to bring out a product. They thoroughly test the product and then bring out in large quantities for sale all over the world. (No deposit and wait 3 year schemes. )
Sony sell vertical systems: For example, when they bring out a 35 mm/4K camera, they will sell Camera, Lens, LCD, EVF, Sound systems, 4K Monitors, 4K projection equipment, Compression & Post production software, CF cards, 4K Tape decks and other Archiving tools, 4K transmission equipment, etc.
Sony will make every component for their products. That is why their components fit together like a glove to complete the whole production system. (You will not find loose nuts, high priced cables or chinsy components in SONY).
From what I gather, Sony has no plans, as of now, to compete with RED.
In the future, if RED sell 10s of 1000s of RED cameras, may be they will get into the field.
Now, they are concentrating on mass market items like Sony Ex1. (even though Sony make high end products, most of their profits come from low end consumer goods like EX1.). After selling 1 million, they will bring out its successor.
F23 and F35 are prototypes for R&D. They are not intended for mass market.
When Sony enter the market, they will dominate the market because of their superior quality and reputation.
Kodak came out with a 14 Mega pixel camera first. But, people preferred Canon 10 megapixel, higher priced camera. More pixels or lower price could not stand up to the better quality of Canon. And Kodak withdrew from the market. Being first in the market with 35mm/4K camera does not guarantee continued success for RED. But, for the next 3 years, RED will have smooth sailing, with no competition in the horizon. (Panasonic might introduce a competition for Sony Ex1. I have no concrete info about it at this time.)
On the other hand, Like Apple computer which started in a garage and killed off Main Frame computer manufacturers, RED could kill of Sony etc., if RED floods the market with low priced 35mm/4K camera. Look how "cheap Wii" beat High quality Sony PS3.
Shawn Booth
03-20-2008, 04:53 PM
ChuckT -
I'm curious. Plenty of users have asked you who you are. What's your background etc.?
Any reason you don't answer?
I mean we only ask because you don't provide any real positive feedback/posts but merely bag on RED and the RED ONE camera. Why do you even frequent the posts?
Kurt A
03-20-2008, 05:32 PM
quote: 'They will bring it out only after selling 1 million Sony Ex1'
who wants to bet whether Sony will be going back to tape on their next model? ...if they only had their noses in the same direction...
now that's the advantage of red. seeing what needs to be done. clearly, quickly and merciless. they're the real captain Kurtz. i think J likes that...
Jeff Brue
03-20-2008, 09:57 PM
ChuckT how much sony gear do you own ?
They DO NOT make every bell and whistle, you should see how many things we had to make for our F23's. Also it is not fool proof I'm paying an exhorbitant amount right now to rent an SR deck because mine had a loose cleaning brush that tore up a master tape. Uh huh right...
Sony makes good gear but all I have to do is point to the wonderful catasrophe that is F23 high speed recording (ie there being only three srw1's) in LA that support going 60P 4:4:4.
I like sony, the F23 is extremely choice and its the current digital cinema camera with the most dynamic range. It looks good, but it has a different look then the red.
It really just comes down to presenting film makers with the choice.
CJ Roy
03-20-2008, 10:17 PM
Back to the original post for a moment, does anyone know the release dates for "The Argentine" or "Guerrilla"?
Thanks.
chuckt
03-21-2008, 05:53 AM
There is no doubt, RED has revolutionized the digital movie camera business. $17.5K price make it possible for many aspiring DPs to experience the advantages of 35 mm lenses. High priced monopoly of Panavision and Arri has been broken. But, I think the multitudes of RED fans are a bit misguided in their assessment of RED.
Higher pixel count and Shallow DOF has been the main selling point of RED. Movies are basically story telling. Even though higher pixel counts and shallow DOF can contribute to the effectiveness of story telling, they are not the most important factors in movie making.
I was looking for a DP. Many came in with good 35mm film experience. One guy came in with only Canon XL experience. I said, "Canon with 1/3” sensor may not be appropriate for movies." He showed me a commercially successful theatrical movie that was made on a $6 Million budget, using Canon XL video camera (with 35 mm adaptor). When projected to a large screen, the picture was grainy. However, I forgot about the graininess after the first minute. It is anybody’s guess why would a $6 M movie be made on a Canon XL camera. The moral of the story is: it is the story and not the pixel count , that makes a good movie. Or, in other words, 4K should not be the primary concern of the movie maker.
I have looked at many award winning movies of old times. I did not see the famous shallow DOF or special effects in them. Some close ups. Some ordinary movie tricks. That is all. Again, the shallow DOF of 35 mm Lenses have been over emphasized by many aspiring DPs.
Mark L. Pederson
03-21-2008, 06:53 AM
Back to the original post for a moment, does anyone know the release dates for "The Argentine" or "Guerrilla"?
Thanks.
My understanding is, that it is not yet determined.
Radoslav Karapetkov
03-21-2008, 06:55 AM
I have no doubt that this camera will change the "bloodline" of the business - my own included.
And the food-chain too. ;)
Rainer Fritz
03-21-2008, 09:32 AM
Good News !
The Co-Production (Austria/France/Germany) "Lourdes" will be entirely shot on RED. The decision were made today. It will be the first full feature film in the EU shot on RED.
DoP Martin Gschlacht decided it because the look will match very fine the story and as cinematographer there will be an extra challenge to do it first on a such big project.
The film should run next year at the Filmfestival of Cannes. I will blog sometimes from beginning of shooting at 20th of April and let you all informed.
Main Actress will be the sister of Carla Bruni, Valeria Bruni - Tedeschi. We all going into a great experience.
Hopefully Red will give us a good support for this big project.
http://cineuropa.org/newsdetail.aspx?lang=en&documentID=80761
best regards
rainer
chuckt
03-21-2008, 10:05 AM
Did they use RED for part of "The Signal"?
It grossed $250K in US Theaters.
Brice Ansel
03-21-2008, 10:13 AM
The film should run next year at the Filmfestival of Cannes.
http://cineuropa.org/newsdetail.aspx?lang=en&documentID=80761
best regards
rainer
Finger cross for the selection.:biggrin:
number6
03-21-2008, 10:14 AM
Post removed at the insistence of Neil Smith. I'm not sayin' others who have violated the rules here should do the same... It's something you have to wrestle with.
Rainer Fritz
03-21-2008, 10:28 AM
thx breizo....
Luke Boyce
03-21-2008, 10:41 AM
Not a feature, but a cousin of mine who's a extra in L.A. said he just worked last week on a short directed by Lena Headey that used the Red and starred John Cleese. It's called "The Sophisticates"
laguun
03-21-2008, 11:54 AM
Good News !
The Co-Production (Austria/France/Germany) "Lourdes" will be entirely shot on RED. The decision were made today. It will be the first full feature film in the EU shot on RED.
DoP Martin Gschlacht decided it because the look will match very fine the story and as cinematographer there will be an extra challenge to do it first on a such big project.
The film should run next year at the Filmfestival of Cannes. I will blog sometimes from beginning of shooting at 20th of April and let you all informed.
Main Actress will be the sister of Carla Bruni, Valeria Bruni - Tedeschi. We all going into a great experience.
Hopefully Red will give us a good support for this big project.
http://cineuropa.org/newsdetail.aspx?lang=en&documentID=80761
best regards
rainer
congratulations rainer! i hope to contribute some excellent news here quite soon as well :)
Christian Munoz D
03-21-2008, 04:05 PM
Dear friends, I believe this is the last updated list of productions being shot on RED.
1.-Jumper (2008)
2.-Wanted (2008)
3.-G.I. Joe (2009)
4.-Night at the Museum 2: Escape from the Smithsonian (2009)
5.-Game (2009)
6.-The Informant (2009)
7.-Guerrilla (2008)
8.-The Argentine (2008)
9.-Knowing (2008)
10.-Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Undead (2008)
11.-The Dark Country (2008)
12.-Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (2009)
13.-The Red Canvas (2008)
14.-My Bloody Valentine (2009)
15.-Leverage (2008 TV series)
16.-Woodshop (2008)
17.-Seres: Genesis (2008)
18.-Brave New World: Ravaged Planet (2009)
19.-Asylum Seekers (2008)
20.-3 Days Gone (2008 video)
21.-The Frost (2008)
22.-The Last Dragon (2008)
23.-Invasion of the Not Quite Dead (2008)
24.-Legion of Ghosts (2011)
25.-I Am Curious Gaijin (2008 documentary)
26.-Red Dirt Rising (2008)
27.-True Nature (2008)
28.-Stricken (2008)
29.-The Girlfriend Experience (2009 video)
30.-Veida Xerxes: Curse of the Red Eye (2008)
31.-The Myth of the American Sleepover (2009)
32.-An Engaging Style (2008)
Source: http://pro.imdb.com/search/simple?camera=Red%20One%20Camera&view_count=all
Dylan Reeve
03-21-2008, 06:00 PM
Not all of those films are exclusively RED (Jumper being an obvious example) but certainly the RED is already finding some use in feature film (at all manner of budgets and levels).
Shane V8F
03-22-2008, 08:47 AM
Just heard from another Sony insider:
"Sony has no plans to compete with RED. It is a niche market and Sony is into mass marketing. Last year they sold $10 Billion worth of Video equipment. They can't be bothered with puny niche market for 35 mm movie cameras."
So, practically Jim has no competion in the horizon. Smooth sailing..
Way back in the day (around 1993) I worked at a company that had a post process to make video look like film, I wont mention which one. The owner of the company and I had an idea, we wanted to make a video camera that could record a film like image. Keep in mind this was before progressive was even a dream.
We knew what we wanted to do, but had no R&D money to build a camera from scratch, it takes money to make money! We new we needed a video camera company to get behind our efforts. We contacted all the majors, and politely got turned down. The best response came from the head of product development at Sony. He responded to our inquiry by saying that, "The Japanese love the look of video, why would we ever want to make a video camera have the look of film". A couple of years latter as the first HD cameras were rolling out at 1080i/60 a guy by the name of George Lucas wanted a camera that had the look of film. The rest is history.
It takes a guy like Jim, a visionary with deep pockets, to make things like the RED a reality. I think it's great! It took 14 years since we first tried to do this, but now thanks to Jim my dream of a camera like this is finally a reality. Maybe my pockets will be deep enough someday to get some of my other dreams made.
I have been wanting video to look like film for so long that even in the 80's I would do pull downs on linear editing systems. Talking about time consuming!!
Neil W. Smith
03-23-2008, 09:25 AM
" ... I'm sure some of you know more that I haven't heard about... like Offhollywood. :-)" JJ
Unfortunately, we seemed to have strayed away from the original intent of Jim's posting .... to compile an accurate and up-to-date listing of all Independent features already shot (not planned or wished for) on RED ONE.
Mark has kindly started an 'unofficial' list of Independent movies in progress on his thread:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10242
It's in the best interest of the RED ONE community that we continue to update that list with real work-in-progress projects and not just speculation.
I believe RED will soon have an official Indie production page on their web site ... in the meantime, let's continue to keep Mark's list up-to-date and accurate.
Jim, I hope this is in keeping with the spirit of your original posting .... if not, by all means erase or amend my posting.
Thanks,
Neil
number6
03-23-2008, 04:09 PM
" ... I'm sure some of you know more that I haven't heard about... like Offhollywood. :-)" JJ
Unfortunately, we seemed to have strayed away from the original intent of Jim's posting .... to compile an accurate and up-to-date listing of all Independent features already shot (not planned or wished for) on RED ONE.
Mark has kindly started an 'unofficial' list of Independent movies in progress on his thread:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10242
It's in the best interest of the RED ONE community that we continue to update that list with real work-in-progress projects and not just speculation.
I believe RED will soon have an official Indie production page on their web site ... in the meantime, let's continue to keep Mark's list up-to-date and accurate.
Jim, I hope this is in keeping with the spirit of your original posting .... if not, by all means erase or amend my posting.
Thanks,
Neil
Neil, I removed my post. Welcome to REDuser.net
chuckt
03-24-2008, 05:02 AM
We knew what we wanted to do, but had no R&D money to build a camera from scratch, it takes money to make money! We new we needed a video camera company to get behind our efforts. We contacted all the majors, and politely got turned down. The best response came from the head of product development at Sony. He responded to our inquiry by saying that, "The Japanese love the look of video, why would we ever want to make a video camera have the look of film". A couple of years latter as the first HD cameras were rolling out at 1080i/60 a guy by the name of George Lucas wanted a camera that had the look of film. The rest is history.
It takes a guy like Jim, a visionary with deep pockets, to make things like the RED a reality. I think it's great! It took 14 years since we first tried to do this, but now thanks to Jim my dream of a camera like this is finally a reality. Maybe my pockets will be deep enough someday to get some of my other dreams made.
I have been wanting video to look like film for so long that even in the 80's I would do pull downs on linear editing systems. Talking about time consuming!!
You had a vision and you waited 14 years for some one else to realize it ? Wow, man! My hat off to you!
If you ask some one else to do something different from what they are doing, they may not do it. Suggestions and ideas are everywhere. Companies including RED will not consider every suggestions and change course. 14 years ago, the technology was not there. Now, you can get a custom chip made for $150,000. EVF, LCD monitor, Software to process the signal from chip, high speed storage, cheap chinese custom manufacturing of components, etc are available now.
Even if you had deep pockets, you would not have been able to make it, 14 years ago.
Jim may have over a billion dollars, but, that would not have been enough to make a RED 14 years ago. In the last 14 years, Sony, Panasonic etc. have spent over a trillion dollars in R&D to reach the level of technology we have today. Today, if you want, you can build a camera like RED for less than the price of your house. For example, SI did not have any funding but they still came up with a revolutionary camera.
So, my dear freind, if you have a dream do not ask others to do it for you (they have their own dreams to follow), try to do it yourself. If your dream is achievable with technology available at the time, you can achieve it; otherwise you have to wait (14 years) before trying again. If you have a better dream than RED, post it and may be you can get a few fellow dreamers to dream with you and then go ahead and make it a reality.
PS: Sony always makes what they invent. They do not listen to outsiders. They think they know what is good for customers. Lucas's suggestion came at a time when Sony was ready to do it anyway. So, it appears that SONY was moved by Lucas. Just like a cock thinks the sun rose because it announced the daybreak! 1080p, 2K, 4K, 8K are all Sony's ideas. They will bring out cameras, monitors, TVs, projectors, etc. that has 2K, 4K and 8K, when Sony is ready.
Craig Schober
03-24-2008, 05:36 AM
Just like a cock thinks the sun rose because it announced the daybreak! 1080p, 2K, 4K, 8K are all Sony's ideas. They will bring out cameras, monitors, TVs, projectors, etc. that has 2K, 4K and 8K, when Sony is ready.
did anyone else's hairs just stand up on the back of their neck like mine? if that's the sony version of red fanboyism then i'll be the first to apologize for ever coming close to sounding like that.
if not, then i really hope this is a joke.
Barry Green
03-24-2008, 09:38 AM
Actually that's not a joke at all, it's fairly accurate. I don't think I've ever agreed with anything chuckt has posted, but he does have Sony's attitude right.
1) Sony makes money by forcing customers to re-buy and re-buy what they already had. Obsoleting formats is Sony's #1 business. Sony cannot make money unless they convince you to throw away what you already have and buy replacements all the time.
2) Sony also is a place where Engineers' dreams come true. They dream something up, and then they build it, and their marketing team then tries to convince you to buy it. Sounds good, but in fact it's actually rather customer-hostile: this statement is quite the opposite from a place where CUSTOMERS' dreams come true!
So yes, Sony will introduce whatever they want, whenever they're ready, regardless of whether the customer wants it or not. And they will make it as proprietary and non-compatible as they can, and just as soon as they've milked you for what they can get, they'll dump it and start all over and start milking you again.
This is a philosophy that has served them rather well over the years, but in the internet instant-feedback, instant-information age, I think Sony's philosophy is going to go the way of other behemoths that have fallen from grace (like IBM, General Motors, etc).
Dylan Reeve
03-24-2008, 01:22 PM
Suddenly I understand why XDCAM EX is wrapped with Mpeg-4 rather than MXF...
laguun
03-24-2008, 01:34 PM
Barry, i agree with much of what you have written, but...
I think Sony's philosophy is going to go the way of other behemoths that have fallen from grace (like IBM, General Motors, etc).
IBM fallen from grace?
did i miss something?
apple $24.01 billion revenue, net inc. $3.50 billion
Intel $38.3 billion, net inc. $7.0 billion
microsoft $51.12 billion, net inc. $14.06 billion
dell $57.095 billion, net inc. $2.6 billion
sony $70.303 billion, net inc. $1.1 billion
IBM $98.8 billion, net inc. $10.8 billion
HP $104.3 billion, $7.3 billion.
General Motors $181 billion, minus$38.7 billion
I would put them in one basket with GM, thats for sure :)
Joe Carney
03-24-2008, 03:18 PM
Suddenly I understand why XDCAM EX is wrapped with Mpeg-4 rather than MXF...
That was to apease Adobe.
Corey Culp
03-24-2008, 03:55 PM
So yes, Sony will introduce whatever they want, whenever they're ready, regardless of whether the customer wants it or not. And they will make it as proprietary and non-compatible as they can, and just as soon as they've milked you for what they can get, they'll dump it and start all over and start milking you again.
Yeah, color me "surprised" at NAB last year with Sony's announcement of the XDCAM EX, after a couple of years of Sony spouting "there isn't a market for flash based prosumer video cameras."
Because of their recent action, I wouldn't surprised if Sony has been hard at work building a challenger to the Red One since a bunch of their R & D guys wandered into Red's tent and saw Crossing the Line. They could very well have acted before then, but I think once Jim, Ted, and the team had more than just a body on display (a full rig and CTL at NAB 07'), that was the moment Sony said it's a "niche" market, while working quietly, but diligently, on XDCAM Blue. ;)
Greg M
03-24-2008, 09:32 PM
They are using two Red's on the TNT feature "The Librarian 3" starring Noah Wylie in New Orleans.
shashbugu
03-24-2008, 09:33 PM
I think it is a redundant discussion pitiching sony against red. It will be a couple of years before you can even begin to make that argument. Its childish and silly. Both camera companies products will be in wide use soon. It is true that red has set the tone for this price point to beat in this acquisition revolution. I know little about technology so please some one correct me, but from all I have read the Red camera and its post process makes absolute sense for filmmakers. The post process is still data intensive, it is after all 4k, But you can buy the camera today shoot in 2k,or 1080p, post easily, and still get a better, clearer more dynamic image than 90% of camcorders out there.
Many folks are caught up on the geekish hype of having all the 4k resolution and exhibiting in 4k. Sony is a great company but F*** them, they have no interest in your success. The Ceo of Red is reading this post right now, all things considered thats where my loyalty will be. Kudos to all the non red employees/ geeks out there creating workflows and other software for cheap and most times free. Red is a forward thinking company in a new fimmaking era of progressive artists. with all the HD TV shows and straight to DVD films out there Consumers dont even remember what film looked like, AND THATS THE TRUTH. Read all the articles on showest this year Exhibitors and are more open to digitally acquired films now more than ever, so whether you use film or HD or Red, its all accepted now, your stories are all that matters now. content is king
chuckt
03-25-2008, 07:43 AM
your stories are all that matters now. content is king
Content has always been king. Deep Throat made with a Super8 film camera for $28K grossed over $600 Million. Three stooges made with simple 16mm fixed focus lenses are still watched by millions. Blairwitch project made with consumer video camera made over $144Million.
Corey Culp
03-25-2008, 02:30 PM
Three stooges made with simple 16mm fixed focus lenses are still watched by millions
And if they're sans Shemp and are all Curly shorts, I can watch them anytime.
Barry Green
03-26-2008, 02:11 PM
IBM fallen from grace?
did i miss something?
What I meant by that was, these are companies that used to be absolutely de-facto standards. Ubitquitous brands, the biggest brands in the world, a GM car in every garage and an IBM computer or typewriter on every desk, etc.
"What's good for GM is good for the country", right? Now not only is GM not the top automaker in the world, it's not even the top automaker in its own country. And if you go by stock market valuations, at one point the stock market valued Harley Davidson (a MOTORCYCLE company!) higher than it valued all of General Motors *combined*.
As for IBM, there was a saying at one point that "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." Now it's difficult for an end user to even buy anything by IBM. What do they even make anymore? Nothing for end consumers, right? They pretty much derive their income largely from consulting fees and patent royalties and high-end servers. Which, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not exactly a prevalent ubiquitous brand on every desk and in every home, like Apple and Dell and Sony and GM. There are no more IBM personal computers, IBM typewriters, IBM anything anymore, really. I shouldn't have said they've "fallen from grace", but they're not in the business of making end products anymore, they've transitioned their business to something entirely different (which is working out well for them too). The point was their end-user products used to be ubiquitous, now they aren't; in fact they're pretty much extinct.
GM sells to end customers. Sony sells to end customers. IBM sold to end customers. GM's sales to end customers are shrinking. IBM's sales to end customers have disappeared. That's what I was getting at, if in a clumsy way.
Matt Garrett
03-26-2008, 05:57 PM
They are using two Red's on the TNT feature "The Librarian 3" starring Noah Wylie in New Orleans.
ahhh I know the 1st AC Jon.
He's one bad ass AC.
chuckt
03-27-2008, 06:17 PM
RED with standard set up will cost around $45 K.
It has 4K pixels and it takes 35 mm lenses.
4000 people have so far paid a deposit for RED.
Sony and Panasonic both keep selling their 2/3" 1080p HVX3000 and F900 for more than $50 K. They sell more than 4000 units/year and their sales are brisk.
RED has not affected the sales of Sony/Panasonic.
If Sony & Panasonic were worried about RED, they would have already announced at least 35mm 2K cameras.
Can someone explain this phenomenon?
number6
03-27-2008, 06:23 PM
RED with standard set up will cost around $45 K.
It has 4K pixels and it takes 35 mm lenses.
4000 people have so far paid a deposit for RED.
Sony and Panasonic both keep selling their 2/3" 1080p HVX3000 and F900 for more than $50 K. They sell more than 4000 units/year and their sales are brisk.
RED has not affected the sales of Sony/Panasonic.
If Sony & Panasonic were worried about RED, they would have already announced at least 35mm 2K cameras.
Can someone explain this phenomenon?
Herd vs heard... The herd still is following the leader, while those who have heard are turning toward a new leader.
(This is entirely my opinion, and in no way reflects the opinion of Sony/Panasonic or the RED One Digital Cinema Camera Co.)
Barry Green
03-27-2008, 09:03 PM
Can someone explain this phenomenon?
Sony and Panasonic make video cameras. The cameras are produced by their Broadcast divisions, and are sold to broadcasters.
Red doesn't make a video camera, they make a raw digital imaging camera. And they don't tailor it to broadcast, and as such, they really aren't even in the same business as Sony and Panasonic. So neither of them are cannibalizing the others' markets.
Where Red will affect Panasonic is on the VariCam, and with Sony they'll hit them on the F23. Both of those products WERE designed for the digital cinema market, and Red will outsell them by a huge margin.
TimPipher
03-28-2008, 05:38 AM
Sony and Panasonic both keep selling their 2/3" 1080p HVX3000 and F900 for more than $50 K. They sell more than 4000 units/year and their sales are brisk.
You might want to check your sources on the HPX3000 and F900 units sold. I don't believe they sell nearly that many.
chuckt
03-28-2008, 04:42 PM
Today there was a special report about Climate change and Bangla desh on Jim Lehrer News on Public TV.
The report was wholely done on DVX100. Simple SD camera, small, easy to carry, records on cassettes.
But the report was well done.
Somebody should donate few REDs to the Public TV news crews.
Donation will be tax deductible and Jim will get free advertisement.
Jason Ing
03-28-2008, 05:34 PM
I don't think Red needs advertisement at this point. A great product sells itself. Period.
Just stand back and watch Red get bigger and bigger...
ChrisLyon
03-28-2008, 05:59 PM
... we just found out a new Michael Douglas feature is being shot on RED in New Orleans.
"Beyond a Reasonable Doubt"
Filming in Shreveport, LA- 5 Reds. :)
Justin McAleece
03-30-2008, 08:18 PM
I think you mean DVX100. Not a big deal, but us nerds tend to get a little excited when we hear about a camera that we think doesn't exist yet.
radiant
04-06-2008, 10:29 PM
... we just found out a new Michael Douglas feature is being shot on RED in New Orleans.
Jim[/QUOTE]
We are currently shooting a feature film in Shreveport Louisiana with
Peter Hyams the Director/DP of such films as:
2010, End Of Days, The Musketeer and The Presidio just to name a few.
(Click link for IMBD (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001382/)) and starring Michael Douglas, Amber Tamblyn & Jesse Metcalfe.
We're shooting in 4K with final output of 4K film scan. The workflow, along with the immediate response of what you see is what you get (to a certain degree),
makes the process of filmmaking more responsive and for most cases faster.
It's like having your negatives developed on set and then having them instantly available to you. There is no more guess work involved.
We were very fortunate to have had full support of Apple and Red in order to help us create a very efficient workflow.
The Red responds really well under low light. We're shooting most of our scenes with available light/ practical light.
The amount of details in the highlights and shadows is unlike what any high definition camera could ever capture.
We are doing a lot of in-camera color adjustment due to the fact that Quicktime proxy files create a flat pass and create more of a washed out low contrast image.
Since this can affect the look of your dailies, it was unacceptable for Peter. Therefore, in-camera color adjustments were necessary.
The other solution would have been to use Red Alert or Red Cine to set your contrast and your gamma curves, but this process is time-consuming when producing dailies on set.
As far as image quality and the organic feel, it's not even close to film. It's still digital, but offers another available tool for the appropriate project or vision.
We are putting the Red through a full test with all available accessories.
The camera has responded so well, even prompting Michael Douglas to inquire on the Red's capabilities while on set.
We are currently shooting with the following:
6 x Reds,
2 x EVF's
6 x Arri 19mm Base Plate Sliding Dove Tail & Full Cinema Support
6 x Hot-Swap Battery Supply for RED Cameras (non-stop shooting)
1 x Set of Arri Master Primes: 14, 18, 21, 35, 50, 75 & 100mm T1.3 (best lenses I have ever seen)
1 x Arri Ultra Prime 180mm T2.0
1 x Arri Prime 100mm T2.0
1 x Arri Prime 135mm T2.0
1 x Cooke 18-100 Mark II T3.0
1 x Cooke 25-250 Mark II T4.0
2 x Steadicams
1 x Super Techno Crane
2 x ArriHead 2 Geared Head
9 x Panasonic 8.4" HD LCD Monitors with Waveform
7 x Panasonic 17" HD LCD Monitors with Waveform
1 x Panasonic 26" HD LCD Monitor with waveform
5 x Preston Full Fiz Wireless Follow Focus Systems
1 x Viewfactor Prototype Remote VTR Start and Stop
6 x MB20 4 x5 Mattebox
2 x MB14 6x6 Mattebox
2 x LMB5 4x5 Clamp-on Mattebox
6 x FF5 Follow Focus
4 x Cine Tapes
6 x Ambient Clockit Boxes
Along with everything else needed to support a feature film of this magnitude.
This new digital technology is simply phenomenal and will change cinema.
Thank You
Michael Mansouri
Radiant Images, Inc.
hd camera rentals.com
gbalaji
04-06-2008, 10:52 PM
... we just found out a new Michael Douglas feature is being shot on RED in New Orleans.
Jim
Michael mansouri,
Thanks for the update of RED Cameras and Accessories used in your film shoot. We we eager to know your Hardware & Software used on set and process used with them.
Thanks for sharing pictures of on set.
radiant
04-06-2008, 11:14 PM
Hello Balaji,
On this feature we started with using build 14 and last week we upgraded to build 15.
Ever since we used build 15 the camera has been allot more stable and love using the EVF.
The biggest improvement on build 15 has been the use of multi monitor and 120fps.
Also image quality is much better on redcode 36
Thanks
Michael
gbalaji
04-06-2008, 11:18 PM
Hello Balaji,
On this feature we started with using build 14 and last week we upgraded to build 15.
Ever since we used build 15 the camera has been allot more stable and love using the EVF.
The biggest improvement on build 15 has been the use of multi monitor and 120fps.
Also image quality is much better on redcode 36
Thanks Michael.
Anything to reveal about Computers used on Set and the software and if possible the process and workflow?
If you have any NDA, no need to explain.
radiant
04-06-2008, 11:34 PM
So we used the following on set:
3 x Apple Macbook Pro 2.6 2GB RAM
3 x Hoodman UMDA Card Reader
4 x 2TB Firewire 800 Hard Drive (for on set capture and archive)
30 x 250GB Lacie Rugged 7200 RPM Firewire 800 bus powered (for dallies to be shipped of set, for offset backup)
1 x LTO Tape Backup System
1 x REDCINE v1.0.4 (Build 90)
1 x RED ALERT! (v1.5.6)
1 x Apple Final Cut Pro 6.02
1 x RED RAD (v1.0) Used for log and transfer directly from FCP
gbalaji
04-06-2008, 11:37 PM
So we used the following on set:
1 x RED RAD (v1.0) Used for log and transfer directly from FCP
Did RED RAD available for public consumption?
radiant
04-07-2008, 04:48 AM
So RED Rad is not available for public use, however it will be very shortly.
This software makes the workflow seamless and very easy.
You will love it.
gbalaji
04-07-2008, 06:04 AM
So RED Rad is not available for public use, however it will be very shortly.
This software makes the workflow seamless and very easy.
You will love it.
Thanks Michael.
Sudhir Chaudhary
04-08-2008, 05:48 AM
Hi !
Any idea as to when we can see it being made available for public ?
Thanks
radiant
04-08-2008, 08:50 AM
Hi !
Any idea as to when we can see it being made available for public ?
Thanks
I have no Idea. But it should be available shortly