Your 4k Workflow Specs...

[Mardi_Gras]

Let's hear it folks, how do y'all intend to capture, edit and manage your 4k assets. All your specs - MAC and Windows users, let's hear it all...

[PaulClements]

Too unsure about this all at the moment. I've heard that the Quad Core's aren't even going to be built into Vista, I can imagine Mac will start using them sometime in the next year but it'll be at a fair old price. I can see the worth in future proofing a Mac by buying a quad as and when they arrive but if I were to go the PC way I'd probably just opt for the cheaper Duo Core option with at least 8Gb of memory and a couple of highend graphic cards. Would also like either 2 24" monitors or one 30", Apple would be my prefered choice but Dell et al seem to be 2/3rds price so it depends on the budget.

Frankly though it's a wait and see how much it all costs once the camera is here and how much of a budget remains after shelling out for the camera and accessories.

Looking forward to the minimum spec requirements from Graeme though, should give an indication as to the smallest budget needed for "Good Enuf" results.

[Martin Drew]

Too early to say. My intention is to use bare 250Gb drives to back up projects on though. I got a firewire/SATA enclosure on eBay for 14 GBP and 250Gb SATA drives cost about 40 GBP over here so it works out quite cheap unless you are doing a lot of volume, even allowing for dual backups (for safety). And it makes access to older projects very snappy.

Martin

[Jaime Vallés]

In production:

1) Capture at 4K REDCODE to the internal flash module.

2) Plug in a 1TB Firewire 800 Hard Drive to the camera and transfer the footage.

3) Verify that the transfer was ok and the data is not corrupted.

4) Plug in ANOTHER 1TB Firewire 800 Drive and transfer footage AGAIN, as a backup.

5) Verify the backup transfer.

6) Erase flash module footage and start over.

In post-production:

1) Bring in footage from master to REDCINE on a new Mac Pro, whatever is the most I can afford when I have to buy it (should be at least a 4 core, ideally 8 core with at least 4GB RAM, and at least 3TB of disk space for footage, not including the boot drive).

2) The RAW footage will be converted to 480p for an offline edit.

3) Edit footage in Final Cut Pro until it's almost perfect, but without fades, dissolves, FX, etc.

4) Using REDCINE, transfer the footage used in the final cut at 2K.

5) Color correct, make final fades and dissolves, etc. (maybe this is done at a post house that can do the whole online edit more easily).

6) Export as a 1080p file to HDCAM SR, HD DVD or Blu Ray.

[Mardi_Gras]

Jaime,

This looks preety straightforward. You must have it figured out already.

[Jaime Vallés]

Yeah, the workflow is easy, as long as I don't need to deliver a 4K final film to someone. I have no idea how to do that. But seeing as 1080 was good enough for Superman, I think it'll be fine for the near future as a delivery medium. Most digital projectors in theaters today do 1080 or 2K. There's very few places that can show 4K in all its glory.

I don't know what digital projector they have at the Zigfeld theater here in NYC, but Mission: Impossible III looked spectacular projected digitally there, and I'm sure it wasn't 4K.

[Júlio Taubkin]

Honestly I have no Idea on how I'm going to deliver the footage. But that has less to do with REDs format than with Brazilian market. I guess I'll have to bring HDs to the post house and pay for print Digibetas... Sad...

[Zakaree Sandberg]

is 2k too much for an at home online session?
or will it pretty much have to be 1080 if u wanna do it yourself?

[Mardi_Gras]

is 2k too much for an at home online session?
or will it pretty much have to be 1080 if u wanna do it yourself?

Onlining 2k assets at home, like its bigger brother, 4k, don't come cheap. Even getting a good 1080p online at home is a big deal. You can easily run up thousands of $$$ before cutting a single frame of media. Sh*#@ don't come cheap! My best guess is that most non to average techies like me will be offlining @ 480 and exporting for a professional 1080p posting, just like Jaime outlined above:D

[Emanuel A.]

is 2k too much for an at home online session?
or will it pretty much have to be 1080 if u wanna do it yourself?

Onlining 2k assets at home, like its bigger brother, 4k, don't come cheap. Even getting a good 1080p online at home is a big deal. You can easily run up thousands of $$$ before cutting a single frame of media. Sh*#@ don't come cheap! My best guess is that most non to average techies like me will be offlining @ 480 and exporting for a professional 1080p posting, just like Jaime outlined above:D

$5,000 for 4K online editing is the David Newman's estimated figure:

«We just demonstrated real-time online 4K RAW editing (dual stream dissolve with Dalsa Origin footage) to Adobe management under Premiere Pro 2.0 running on a Dual core dual proc Xeon Woodcrest system (about $3K PC with two drives in RAID-0.) So it can be done today, although we aren't shipping this technology yet, but we intend this be available for Red customers as the alternative workflow (for those who can't stand offline workflows.) This a simple extension of the now shipping CineForm RAW workflow. So even with the purchase of our software the system costs will be doable at $5k for a Red online.»

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