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03-20-2007, 07:35 AM
Pity it looked so bad in the cinema with the excessively sharpened visuals giving it that "VHS rental" feel :-) Remebering watching that is one of the things thing that drives me to providing the best visuals at an affordable price so there's never an excuse for that again :-)
Graeme
03-20-2007, 07:36 AM
They make some good points about RED's buyers.
This is not a camera for film students or amateurs (unless Daddy's rich).
While RED's price point puts it reasonably close to the prosumer market, I'm guessing many of these people likely will not have the skills or client contacts to generate business effectively or the local industry technical contacts (what key grip can pull that rig off? etc), to deal with the grind of film making as a full time business model. People should be careful,
RED certainly wont make you an artist.
Does this make any sense?
J
03-20-2007, 07:40 AM
Agreed,Originally Posted by Graeme Nattress
Great concept though, and reasonably well executed. Funny to see lenses worth 10 times the camera, together.
I saw some of your stills yesterday. Nice and contrasty!
J.
03-20-2007, 07:50 AM
If all the experienced minds in the motion media industry spent a lot more time and energy brainstorming ways to progress and learn, and a whole lot less energy defending their turf, imagine where we'd be right now...
There's only so many hours in a work day, month, year, and career...the more time that is spent on judgment and infighting, the less time that is available to do constructive work toward progress individually, and for this industry as a whole.
The degree to which someone can set pride, jealousy, and ego aside determines the degree to which they can continue to learn and grow.
Everything is dynamic - nothing is static. To either stagnate or grow is an active choice.
What's your choice going to be?
03-20-2007, 08:54 AM
The Zen of Gibby.
I love it.
03-20-2007, 09:43 AM
I find CML interesting, since you can see a very pretty different perspective on RED than in reduse.net.
Some people at CML are grown up professionals with a attitude I like, for instance David Mullen who points out all the time that it is not the technology that does a film its the people who do it. Good story is a good story no matter which camera you use. Same with light, framing, moves not to mention acting, directing, editing etc...
I care for good stories and the nice people I work with. I dont't care about turf defenders...
Hans
03-20-2007, 10:31 AM
I think this thread should be closed. There's enough bashing on going over at cinematography.com. Let us not become like that.
Keep to constructive posts about the camera.
03-20-2007, 10:38 AM
Agreed,
Rumours, talking smack and disrespect to long time industry profesionals make this board look like a bunch of little children. Lets learn all we can to do the best work we can when we get our cameras and let the images do the talking.
03-20-2007, 10:47 AM
Cinematography.net = heavily moderated
Cinematography.com = most forums unmoderated (or very minimal)
Stephen
03-20-2007, 10:48 AM
all those that move up from a hand size DV camera or even those that have never shot before - IMO if they put out 20K+ they will learn how to use the equipment .. within a short time they will be selecting shutter speeds , F stop , etc many will learn by DOING , others will learn from mentors.. once they learn the camera and if they are not satisfied with their images they will learn or do whatever they need to get images that pleases them ( could be taking lighting class , hiring gaffer for projects -whatever- they will seek it out) ...
there will be a % that will give up but that is true with the business in general - & i would guess that the % of those leaving the business is much higher for those that didn't spend 20K on equipment ...
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