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    One thing that did change though, is the 5K FF fps specs:
    Originally announced to reach 48fps @ 5:1 it's now announced to be 30fps @ ?:1.
    So that could mean that max fps changed but we still don't know. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarred Land View Post
    Pow. Scarlet Dragon.

    $14,500. Orders open tomorrow. This time it is ready... Starts to ship when we catch up a bit on existing upgrades... likely June.

    • 6K FF: 12 FPS
    • 5K FF: 30 FPS
    • 4K FF & HD: 48 FPS
    • 3K FF & HD: 64 FPS
    • 2K FF&HD: 96 FPS
    Original Scarlet Dragon spec:
    1-48 fps 5K FF at 5:1 compression
    Max fps (2.4:1):
    1-60 fps 5K
    1-75 fps 4K
    1-100 fps 3K
    1-150 fps 2K

    What can be compared is 5K FF Original/New - 48/30 fps - 37,5% decrease in capability
    So don't expect miracles in high speed for WS formats.
    Crude interpolation of original specs give:
    Max fps (2.4:1) Original / New:
    1-60 fps 5K - 37,5 fps
    1-75 fps 4K - 46,9 fps
    1-100 fps 3K - 62,5 fps
    1-150 fps 2K - 93,7 fps

    Hmm it seems Jarred was more generous than me :-)

    Personally I would say disappointing decrease of originally claimed capability.
    I can see that this 48 fps is haunting us European customers like a medieval curse. Really 50 fps couldn't be squeezed out of the system?

    I must say I liked so much much much much much more the previous market segmentation between Scarlet 5K and EPIC 6K Dragon.
    But I understand that this new segmentation is much more tailored for RED business then for end users - well if its gotta be, its gotta be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Majtan View Post
    Given the published specs I have opted for the Dragon Scarlet upgrade path knowing that I don't care much for 6K, all I wanted is 5K at decent speed - planned to be 60P at WS - perfect for my aerial work and 90% of everything else.
    The sensor tech with new gen colour and dynamic range was more important to me and the 60P WS 5K was sufficient.
    Guys that went for Epic path got theirs pretty much right away. One year later we are still waiting for the Dragon upgrade.
    If indeed the Scarlet Dragon ends up being not able to live up to the 60P 5K-WS (and 150P in 2K-WS for that matter) - my "confusion" will quickly turn into bitter sweet disappointment knowing I wasted one year waiting for nothing.
    The specs in the Scarlet Dragon upgrade option say nothing about being "tentative" or "estimated" - they are stated as the "technical specifications" of the upgrade.
    We have made serious business decision based on these...
    Don't even get me started on the possibility that new DRAGON SCARLETS might end up shipping before the DRAGON upgrades for the old Scarlets even begin.


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    Exactly, couldn't agree more. Please RED clarify these points.
    Many thanks
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    Relax all.. WS vs FF. Will clear up when I land.
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    2015 can't get here soon enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarred Land View Post
    Relax all.. WS vs FF. Will clear up when I land.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarred Land View Post
    5K FF: 30 FPS
    Spec from http://www.red.com/store/products/sc...ragon-upgrade:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarred Land View Post
    1-48 fps 5K FF at 5:1 compression
    That's FF vs FF, plus the comment from Brent...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Brent@RED View Post
    Yes, some of the original specs changed.
    That equals one huge confusion at the moment.
    Can't wait for the clarification...

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    Guys. Will you please listen and relax until we have all the data?

    I mentioned it before: the specs Jarred announced are for FF the older high speed fps were for 2.4:1 WS.

    So we just don't know all the details yet. No need to get upset before you know what's going on!

    EDIT: I know about the 48 vs. 30 FF fps change at 5K (see above). But still we don't know the whole story yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarred Land View Post
    Relax all.. WS vs FF. Will clear up when I land.
    Hope you land soon ;)
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    I predicted this price point.
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    If new Scarlet Dragon could make 50fps in 5K WS or 4K HD for UHD delivery in continuous and even more in burst mode, than will use it for wildlife documentary work, if not and not having money for epic right now, will have to start looking for alternatives...
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