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    Its all about what you can afford, I still think that Alexa makes the best motion picture in look and feel, but it coast an arm, and then we have Epic, and it sure makes great picture (Im an Epic fan and have own an MX & Epic) but when all come to all if I had the money I will choose Arri, if you are not blind you can see the difference, big time, I was not that impressed with the yesterday dessert movie, but hey Im from Europe, and we got another style & feel, a good camera will never be cheep, so keep up the good works, and focus on look instead of mega pixels :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Garrick View Post
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    In regards to $17.5K Epic and $14.5K Scarlet D. The other way to look at its only $3K difference between the 2. Plus New Epic you will not be able re-sell at the original price.
    I think the higher DR of the Dragon Scarlet, and fact Dragon Scarlet has acceptable slowmo at 5K, makes it a touch decision btw it and Epic MX. Advantage of going to Epic MX is you could still upgrade later to Epic Dragon.
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    They probably just haven't updated that particular part of the site. The new specs are certainly going to be the same for both upgrade and new.
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    Sorry if this is a redundant question...but I could not believe it...does FF in all resolutions mean that the FOV stays the same? In other words...does the Scarlet Dragon, in fact, have the same FOV as the Epic Dragon? Again, sorry if this is redundant...or a silly question...I just could not believe it if it were true. That would be insane. Can anyone confirm this form me. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Jarvis View Post
    Sorry if this is a redundant question...but I could not believe it...does FF in all resolutions mean that the FOV stays the same? In other words...does the Scarlet Dragon, in fact, have the same FOV as the Epic Dragon? Again, sorry if this is redundant...or a silly question...I just could not believe it if it were true. That would be insane. Can anyone confirm this form me. Thanks.
    No FF just means "full" 5K, as opposed to 16:9 HD 5K or WS 5K.

    Scarlet Dragon cannot do 6K 23.98, and can only get a 6K FOV at 12fps.
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    Thanks Nick...so when you bump down the resolution to over crank...does the FOV stay the same? I am assuming that it does not. Only have high hopes. That would be awesome...but unlikely.
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    I just have to say that I was doing pretty good with keeping the upgrade out of my mind... I'm going to need Reduser Anonymous meetings now to stay on the waggon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogelio Salinas View Post
    Technology always bring prices down. The Red One went down in price, The Epic went down in price, and every other technology based product eventually drops in price. TVs, cameras, and computers have all improved in quality yet dropped in price. Even though, I still believe that Red provides the best quality cameras, 4K cameras are now available by so many different companies now that Red has to keep their prices competitive to continue to sell. Right now the demand is very high, but Red is smart to price and plan for the future with the market being flooded with 4K cameras. In fact, even lower quality cameras like GoPro and cell phones offer 4K resolution now at a fraction of the price. Don't get me wrong, GoPros and cell phones lack so much of what Red cams offer, and though Red started the 4K trend, camera manufacturers like Sony, Blackmagic, Canon, Panasonic, JVC, and others are trying to offer some high resolution alternatives with some of their lower priced cameras. Red has to keep their prices competitive, especially with so many established camera manufacturers jumping into the 4K game. Red actually cares about their customers and I'm sure they care about the rental companies that purchase their cameras, but they have to base their business model on the current trends and prices in technology. This is like telling movie studios and theaters that they should have considered their pricing model to protect movie rental companies like Blockbuster or Hollywood Video. It didn't happen and both of these movie rental companies went out of business because technology and trends changed over the years. This isn't saying that camera rental houses are going to go out of business, but as technology improves, prices tend to drop, and that is just a simple fact of working in this industry. In fact, one of the only industries that seems to buck this trend is the oil industry. As technology and supply has improved their prices have increased and remained high, because they use collusion instead of competition for their pricing and unlike cameras, gas is a necessity.
    I disagree. CHeaper price does not mean more sales in a simplistic manner, and can often just cheapen your brand and make it be perceived as less capable. Hagen Daz would not sell more ice cream if it cost the same as the Wallmart house brand. DPs that charge $100 per day do not work more often than those who charge $3000, even if they both had the same level of talent.

    I probably spoke poorly earlier, but what upsets me about this is that Scarlet seems closer to Epic now is performance, maybe too close - it covers many more of the bases that are really needed day to day - and I am concerned that this would hurt the ability of those who have invested in Epic to to recoup that investment.

    It also appears that Scarlet Dragon buyers might have Dragon access before Epic up-graders. I am all for mild socialism, but this - if it turns out to be true (and I could be wrong) - would give preferential treatment to those who spend less and joined the Red family last, which does not seem all that fair. It would also have my rental clients looking elsewhere to get what they want instead of continuing to rely on us for their Red rental needs, which would not be awesome.

    But we shall see….
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    Can you use a speedbooster on a scarlet w/ canon mount to achieve a wider fov?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Wilganowski View Post
    Can you use a speedbooster on a scarlet w/ canon mount to achieve a wider fov?
    I don't think a speedbooster exists in Canon Mount. There is some very complicated math with an EOS mount that I believe has so far been difficult to overcome.
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