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    The Aeronauts, shot on Monstro with Panavision lenses, is a visually stunning example of state of the art digital production.
    It cedes nothing to film in terms of aesthetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Sweeney View Post
    10 years ago I was told it was dead for sure.

    I didn't listen either.

    Maybe next year!

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    There are a dozen recalcitrant DPs keeping film on life support. Were they to shoot on a RED or Alexa, nobody would know the difference, and their already amazing lighting and composition choices would look...amazing, all the same. Pull the plug.
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    Film is still a beautiful and valid medium. Though we can make digital look exactly like it, there's always going to be visible, tangible, and intangible differences at the end of the day.

    There's lot of hyperbole surrounding "film being dead", on many levels it is, on many levels it's still a medium that some will choose to create with and it's doing slightly better in the last few years.

    The reality outside of click bait is the industry as a whole whether we are talking theatrical releases, broadcast television, streaming, and other content is about 95-99% digital as of now.

    We've passed by it on technical merit, but aesthetics and desire are tied to much of what we do professionally and personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendes Nabil View Post
    Hello all, like a lot of you, i'm really impatient to put my hand on a dragon camera, but to be really honest, i didn't see any "crazy footage" coming from this little beast..
    Maybe "Run", by Melina Matsoukas (the false Beyonce's teaser), but when you see a 2010 teaser like this one :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh0gSuQWRVw


    You say to yourself "Film is Film, no matter what, it will stay the king".. Look at these textures and colors, it has this magical something that i would love to see in dragon..

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    True, I shoot half on digital cams and half on film

    Not to compare(there just different processes) and depends on the job and the artistic choice

    For sure I’m glad it’s in my tool kit

    The good thing is I’m not married to either
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    Though we can make digital look exactly like it,

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    We've passed by it on technical merit

    Highlight range, motion - nope.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Simic View Post
    Highlight range, motion - nope.


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    Maybe with a global shutter you will see the motion aspect improve dramatically.

    As for highlights, you would think that this has been conquered by now, but in the real world it hasn't. I find that a little surprising. We have had over 20 years of commercially available sensors and the highlight problem persists.
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    Maybe with a global shutter you will see the motion aspect improve dramatically.
    Not enough.

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    As for highlights, you would think that this has been conquered by now, but in the real world it hasn't. I find that a little surprising. We have had over 20 years of commercially available sensors and the highlight problem persists.
    People have trouble conceptualizing exponential increases, let alone what it takes to achieve them, and are generally tucked in illusion of linear.
    With sensors, targeting higher number with prefix "mega-" reconfigures the list of priorities in development.

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    Looked At Ad Astra on my 4k projector. A beautiful ”film” film. super nice texture and very organic look Heute is just getting better and better. But then again the film has a massive amount of shots mady fully in cg... Those looks possibly even more cinematic than the in camera shots. Not that the in camera shots lack organic feel. But I find very often when shooting digital not the same amount of grain is added, peaple tend to keep it clean and then post and vfx follows and often that result in a glossy less lifelike image. Look at avangers or such for example, to me it has no feel what so ever, but if the source footage would have been grainy then the post would have follow.

    So in a way with big blockbusters the choice to shoot analog kind of dictates all that follows in post, gateweave, grain flaring etc. When starting with a clean image rarely they take out the turns the the same extent.

    Another nice one is Sangrens First man, same there s lot of noisy imagery and rhe vfx work follows beautifully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Björn Benckert View Post
    Looked At Ad Astra on my 4k projector. A beautiful ”film” film. super nice texture and very organic look Heute is just getting better and better. But then again the film has a massive amount of shots mady fully in cg... Those looks possibly even more cinematic than the in camera shots. Not that the in camera shots lack organic feel. But I find very often when shooting digital not the same amount of grain is added, peaple tend to keep it clean and then post and vfx follows and often that result in a glossy less lifelike image. Look at avangers or such for example, to me it has no feel what so ever, but if the source footage would have been grainy then the post would have follow.

    So in a way with big blockbusters the choice to shoot analog kind of dictates all that follows in post, gateweave, grain flaring etc. When starting with a clean image rarely they take out the turns the the same extent.

    Another nice one is Sangrens First man, same there s lot of noisy imagery and rhe vfx work follows beautifully.
    +1

    I like the CGI in Spielberg films and credited it to him integrating vfx elements into the wide shot instead of getting too cutty (there's a lot of interaction)–and to him keeping the camera moving. But I watched some of BFG (shot on Alexa, I believe) and it didn't feel so good. This is a really interesting take. The heavy use of nets and Classic Softs might be at work, too?

    What techniques do you use for re-graining? How do you simulate a Classic Soft (screen on an out of focus image)?

    I am still amazed by the match moving in Minority Report and War of the Worlds. How? How did they do it?
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