Sony Vegas Support?

[NormLi]

Any ideas if Sony Vegas will support .r3d files soon?

If it's not for 2k-4k finishing, can we just use RedCine to export 1080p/720p clips and edit/export from there in Vegas for corporate projects?

Haven't heard much talk on this here.

Thanks.

[donatello b]

maybe , maybe not ... sony media are looking into what is possible for Vegas users .. remember sony media needs to know there is a demand from Vegas users for a Red vegas workflow ...
not much can be done until Red release the SDK ( or is it SKD?) .. at NAB
i was at sony Vegas booth on Monday ,was told that they have spoken to Red in past about SDK thing ... i then walked down to the Red booth with the sony media VP to see if Ted was around .. he wasn't - sony media VP was going to stop by on wednesday or thursday AM before floor was open to try to speak to Ted .. don't know if that happened ...

[Elizabeth Lowrey]

Well it's great to hear that Sony is at least interested and has had some conversations. I REALLY want to be able to continue using Vegas as my editing platform and with a raw workflow. I'll be looking into Cineform's tools, of course, but native support for R3D in Vegas would be optimal.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

You mean Sony Vegas?

My psychic powers tell me it'll be the last platform to get RED support.

:).

[David Taylor]

At the time CineForm is able to offer a Red workflow on Windows we also intend to support Vegas with CineForm RAW in a similar timeframe. This is consistent with our current (non-Red) Vegas workflow today.

[donatello b]

"My psychic powers tell me it'll be the last platform to get RED support "

the sony media division in madison,WI is very independent of sony ,japan ..
if Cineform comes up with a solution 1st and it works in Vegas at a affordable price then i would assume sony media will spend their R&D elsewhere ... it all comes down to numbers requesting support for specific codec's workflows ...

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Yeah, it's more likely to happen through the Cineform solutions.

[Elizabeth Lowrey]

At the time CineForm is able to offer a Red workflow on Windows we also intend to support Vegas with CineForm RAW in a similar timeframe. This is consistent with our current (non-Red) Vegas workflow today.

Thanks for that info, David. Can you clarify the major features of this workflow? In other words, with Cineform installed, does it work "under the hood" to allow R3D files to open directly in Vegas, or must there be an external transcode to Cineform RAW first? If it's the latter, how long does the transcode take?

[David Taylor]

Thanks for that info, David. Can you clarify the major features of this workflow? In other words, with Cineform installed, does it work "under the hood" to allow R3D files to open directly in Vegas, or must there be an external transcode to Cineform RAW first? If it's the latter, how long does the transcode take?

Eclaire, as CineForm does for support of all cameras (RAW or non-RAW), we convert camera formats to CineForm files and maintain chroma space; ie, Source Raw --> Cineform RAW; Source 444 --> CineForm 444; and Source YUV --> CineForm 422.

Our support for Vegas will be similar to our support for Premiere Pro, including active metadata on CineForm RAW. But we do not replace the video engine in Vegas as we do in Premiere Pro, so we will do a little bit less for Vegas than we do for Premiere. The CineForm product you'll use for Vegas is Neo 4K.

I would rather not get into performance figures yet for conversion of Red footage as that is too workflow specific, and we need to see the SDK first. There have been other conversion speed figures mentioned in the forum that are close to our experience with early firmware builds.

[Disco Legend Zeke]

opinion
CineForm and Sony have shown their willingness to provision new recording formats as they emerge. The original CineForm tools for our new HDV was purchased by Sony very quickly. Indeed, SONY spent a lot of money trying to make a great NLE, and ended up buying Sound Forge.

meanwhile you will want proxies for a lot of early stuff anyway.

newbie question
I am DP on two projects, one requiring hours of live recording from stage preformances.

I already see firewire and USB hard drives on the shelf at fry's for $200 per TeraByte. Compared to a roll of 1 inch digital tape, its a bargain.

Are there standard hard drive output capabilities built into the red cam? Or is the recording hardware proprietary? thanks