FCP/red 2009

[Cüneyt Kaya]

FCP 2009

1st, i am excited that r3d files will be read by Color natively in the not so distant future...

but what do you think will happen with FCS2?

RED has some impact on Apple right now (Color/fcp)...something happens.

Will this happen?

Fcp gets a new 10 bit RGB render engine----dont know if this is difficult or easy

10 bit RGB effects/titles

FCP can read DPX files natively

N`vidia cards fully supported (i dont quite get why apple sells N`vidia cards with their hardware and was not able to solve this problem

Motion can read r3d files/or redcode 444 natively....

Bug fixes in COLOR,

Gamma problem is fixed

FCS2 becomes a 4k system through all applications
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RED introduces REDCODE 444.....similar workflow like Cineform available.

aja kona can feed monitors with 4k and can be used as accelarator for red stuff
RED 4k Projector for 10 k
red ray ( THIS IS THE TRUE REVOLUTION !!!!)
RED 32 GB CF cards

This would be awesome.....

edit:
change 4k with 5k, so epic users can use fcs2 too...

me thinks red is doing something with apple behind the doors....and i hope at least for apple it can be a oppurtunity that fcp can be used as ONLINE Finishing system...
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what i ask myself : is it so difficult to implement these things? Adobe has it already...

[Gunleik Groven]

I think that if apple still is serious about the pro-apps (and I really hope they are) you are spot on...

[Cüneyt Kaya]

this is a moment who the fastest can achive a lot...

Adobe has almost everything, Cineform RAW/Cineform 444 is like a mirrored entity of reds stuff...

adobe has some weaknesses....and dont have a cool CC tool...but they really can start like a rocket if they move fast.

So when apple doesnt do something, it could happen that after the release of the sdk, a lot of people switch to Adobe/cineform/ and Speedgrade as long as adobe doesnt have a CC tool, maybe they buy Speedgrade?

[Gunleik Groven]

yep. I'm in the box as to wether FCP stays or goes.

[KeithHill]

There's no indication that Apple is doing anything other than what they have been doing. Giving us amazing tools and affordable prices. Their secrecy is a hallmark for the company. Red is following that model and it works well.

Final Cut Studio will continue to get better. It will continue to be a thorn in the side of systems makers like Autodesk and Quantel. As quiet as it's kept, everyone has forgotten that Apple is working on the new version of Shake. That app will no doubt enter the Final Cut Studio bundle, in a similar fashion they did with the Logic Studio bundle.

Let's review. Final Cut Studio 2 is:

Final Cut Pro
Color
Motion 3
LiveType
Soundtrack Pro
Compressor
DVD Studio Pro

and, probably, the new Shake, here very soon.

This is an amazing time for digital artists. You have company's like Apple and Red shaking the world up with groundbreaking technologies at prices that make it as easy as anytime in history to be creative.

It's hard to be that Apple would come all of this way with creative tools to stop developing software that make their hardware a top seller. It's non-sense. It would wreck havoc on everything they've worked hard to build up including their stock price.

[Gunleik Groven]

YUP, I used to think in those lines, but then there's been so much non-good stuff happening recently.


Phenomenon? Right. I'm onto Nuke as we speak, because Shake is so crippled (in the meaning of: system and QT updates has made it less usefull than when it was abandoned...)

QT: Gammashift issues
Rendering: No 10 bit RGB (even though Shake and color can handle it)
Clustrered background rendering anyone?

FCP was a great app for what it was initially made for, and I REALLY want it to grow with RED. But there needs to be done stuff soon.

I'm considering both premiere and AVID (gee, I wouldn't have seen thatone coming a year ago...) because of these shortcomings.

4k files is not my issue with FCP... But it would be good if they opened up for those last 96 pixles...

[KeithHill]

Hey, I understand. If you're under some pressure to have tools that can do what you need to have done right now then you have do what you have to do.

Though I grow impatient with these company's and their development cycles sometimes I'm committed because they are pretty consistent. It's pretty expensive to keep up with the hardware requirements let alone keeping up with the software advances. For me, I've found that sweet spot and I'll wait them out. I've gotten my setup to where it's working for the most part.

When a company like Red gives us a roadmap like they do and Apple is doing as well, you can project down the road. So, I'll be saving my pennies for Scarlet. And, I'll wait for my next Final Cut Studio update. The last one was pretty serious when they gave us Color. Just a few months before I was about to spend $5,000 with Final Touch (the makers of Color). Then, Apple buys them and adds it to the Studio Bundle, along with the great updates in Motion 3 and other apps. It takes time to get down the road with this stuff.

But, if you have pressure you have to what you have to do.

[Hans von Sonntag]

As quiet as it's kept, everyone has forgotten that Apple is working on the new version of Shake. That app will no doubt enter the Final Cut Studio bundle, in a similar fashion they did with the Logic Studio bundle.

Its always great to be enthusiastic. But: No one in the industry believes that Apple will develope Shake2. Shake has been for last 10+ years the de-facto standard for compositing (feature film). This is over now. Nuke is the new Shake (if we talk about cross platform).

And actually I am happy with this. As a long time Shake user I found Apple not the best "mother"...

Hans

[Noah Kadner]

BTW- if you're willing to spend a few extra $ you can make FCP and all QuickTime apps DPX-native compatible right now with the Glue-Tools DPX Component. We have this plugin and it works like a charm, great workflow:

http://www.gluetools.com/downloads_dpx.html

-Noah

[KeithHill]

It's got nothing to do with being enthusiastic. This came straight from Apple. They stopped development on Shake and put their Shake Team on developing the new iteration. So you can't say that 'nobody in the industry'. That's not true. Like I said earlier, do what you have to do.

You don't have believe what I'm saying. Buy what you need from who has it available right now. If that's what you want. But, don't clump me into some category like I'm some standard bearer for Apple (I'm not). I didn't just grab this off the top of my head.

And, if someone needs some support or development with the last version of Shake you can go to http://www.shakesupport.com/ and get Billy (former Shake Support Engineer for Apple) to write some code for you.