FCP/red 2009

[Noah Kadner]

Yeah man. I knew someone was going to step up to the plate. Tangent's high-end controllers cost 25K and up. There's too many Final Cut Studio users in the world to not try to give them one affordable Control Surface at a great price.

That's what I'm saying, this is the 'day of the digital artist'. The tools are here now or are on the way.

Not quite 25K, more like 8K but they're worth every penny. The Wave is a gift at that price though. If you use Color or Assimilate or what have you more than once a week you should grab it and support their initiative.

Noah

[Mark Crabtree]

The current Red workflow is the old offline model. When Avid first lead the way with NLE everyone was happy to offline as full standard def quality was just unattainable with a personal computer back then. But today who still offlines standard def? Nobody. And this will soon be the case with 4K Cine files. It does take time for all the players to work out all the details and work together. Could that may mean another year or two before we have a real time workflow for Red? No. The truth is that Cineform's Prospect 4K is a realtime 4K post production workflow that is ready now and works natively with Premiere Pro CS3, After Effects, Iridas and other programs. Cineform's media converter gets 10 FPS conversion speed converting R3D to Cineform Intermediate. It maps pixel for pixel 4K Redcode to Cineform 4K Intermediate. Prospect 4k Intermediate is actually a larger data file that Redcode so you do not loose any of the quality of Redcode and it is designed to hold up for multigenerational effects editing in a real time 4K environment. THE WHOLE POINT HERE is to EDIT ONLINE in 4K. Not edit offline and then go thru a lengthy conform process. With Cineform you can add color correction as the last step, the middle step or the first step. You can change your colors anytime in real time and let your edit and your look evolve without being locked in to baked in colors. With my MacPro quadcore 3.0 I am getting about 1.5 FPS converting from Redcine to 1080 Prores. But Cineform's media converter converts at 10 FPS. Let's look at the math. Ten minutes of 23.98 footage is roughly 14400 Frames. Using Redcine to convert 14400 frames of Redcode to 1080 prores at 1.5 FPS takes about 4 hours. Using Cineform's media converter at 10 FPS 14400 frames takes about 24 minutes. Now after only 24 minutes you can edit your footage in real time and color correct in real time. Also, using an AJA xena boad you can have realtime out to an HD-SDI monitor for proper grading. Another great trick is using a 2K timeline and editing with the 4k file. You can resize in real time right on the timeline. To make this all work you need fast pc and Cineform recommends XP64. Cineform is not releasing the media converter they have working now with build 15 but is waiting instead for the SDK that will be for build 16. So in the mean time us Cineform fans have to slow render out of Redcine to Cineform Intermediate. But even given the same render time the advantages are still all to Cineform. I encourage all Red Users who want a this kind of workflow to go www.cineform.com and check it out. There is even a free trial download.

[Gunleik Groven]

Cineforms solution is definitely very tempting. There seems to be some not so good blood between the companies, which is too bad - for whatever reason the situation is what it is.

Would very much like to A/B Cineform and DPX workflows for finishing, and the day will eventually come, but for now it's not here in any supportable way.

I am also quite curious about speedgrade, amongst a whole bunch of other sexy software screaming for my cash :)

[Mark Crabtree]

I don't think there are any problems between the companies. Build 16 and Sdk is just a Big Deal and everyone, not just Cineform, is holding off for it's release. That does not alter the fact that if you want the Cineform realtime workflow it is ready to work for you right now, just absent the fast media converter.

[M Most]

The current Red workflow is the old offline model. When Avid first lead the way with NLE everyone was happy to offline as full standard def quality was just unattainable with a personal computer back then. But today who still offlines standard def?

About 95% of network television programs. And at least 50-75% of motion pictures.

[KeithHill]

Not quite 25K, more like 8K but they're worth every penny. The Wave is a gift at that price though. If you use Color or Assimilate or what have you more than once a week you should grab it and support their initiative.

Noah

Noah,

I definitely plan to. I know you and your training crew at Callbox are going to show us how to use it effectively, right? :)

[Noah Kadner]

Noah,

I definitely plan to. I know you and your training crew at Callbox are going to show us how to use it effectively, right? :)

Not sure yet. If we were to do a Call Box course on RED workflow it would have to be a daily podcast subscription just to keep up...:ranting2: But we do show off Color itself.

Noah

[KeithHill]

Noah,

Naw, I'm not even talking about Red anything with the Controller. I was thinking just to have a training on the use of a tactile controller like Wave using Color. Going through the Color workflow to grade a timeline of a project. From FCP to Color using Wave. That sounds nice.

Maybe the Red workflow somewhere down the road once Scarlet is out.

[Mark Crabtree]

Quote from mmost: About 95% of network television programs. And at least 50-75% of motion pictures.

mmost you are missing the point. When you are editing for standard def release you do not off line. The quality is full for standard def. The point is that with Cineform you can now edit with the same online model we all use for standard def. Edit once. It is your master.

[Gunleik Groven]

Quote from mmost: About 95% of network television programs. And at least 50-75% of motion pictures.

mmost you are missing the point. When you are editing for standard def release you do not off line. The quality is full for standard def. The point is that with Cineform you can now edit with the same online model we all use for standard def. Edit once. It is your master.

Hm. ... :) balls!