Who knows anything about this 65mm cmos cam?

[Jason Ramsey]

This is not meant to be a "which is better". I promise. We all know which is better :) And probably a lot cheaper.

Anyways, I just came across this under the "competitors" section of the red listing on wikipedia.

It appears to be a 65mm cmos 10 megapixel 4k with 125fps, etc. etc.

I was just curious if some of you who are familiar with it, could list how some of the features stack up against the RED. Not a which is better. Just a comparison. The 65mm sensor is quite interesting, if I knew what I was reading.

One thing I do find interesting is up to 512Gig flash drives.

Later,
Jason

EDIT: Oh yeah, duh. here's a link to a pdf on the cam

http://www.visionresearch.com/upload..._phantom65.pdf

or this link too: http://www.visionresearch.com/index....=camera_65_new

[Isaac Brody]

It's called the phantom? Phantom product? Sorry, couldn't resist.

How much will this cost? Looks espensive.

[Jason Ramsey]

Yeah. I don't know. The only way I can see to find a price is to "request a quote" It sounds like it is out now though.

Jason

[Dominic Jones]

It's certainly up and working - they demo'd it at the same IBC conference that Red first showed footage at, if I'm not mistaken...

No idea on price, but I'd guess not cheap. More interesting (imo) than the 4k 125fps version is the 2k version that does some kind of horrific speed - I can't remember precisely of the top of my head but I'm pretty sure it's over 1,000fps!! God knows what you need to store that data though, it must be buffered for a short run operation or something similar, sustained rates would be crazy.

EDIT: I've just remembered seeing a spot about one of the BBC's "Planet Earth" series of nature documentaries, in which they film a shark attacking a seal in slo-mo (as in *serious* slo-mo!), using a camera that recorded a 3-second rolling buffer, and captured 1.5 secs before and after the record button is pressed - could have been the Phantom 2k, but then again perhaps not. Anyone else seen this and can confirm/deny?

It's awesome footage (for the content matter as much as image quality, but it looked great too)...

[Clayton Harper]

I think you can rent the 2k high-speed version from Abel Cine in New York.

The Phantom requires cabling to some superduper RAID device controlled by a laptop. The camera produces pretty amazing looking slowmo shots. It is not however a competor to Red One in any way given its price (>100k) and tethered operation/limited storage. Don't forget that image size isn't the only thing our heroes are revolutionizing here but also storage and image manipulation. VIVA LA REDCODE RAW!

BTW, did you look at the shot of the trees they posted? Does it look any better than anything we've seen here on the boards so far?

[Dominic Jones]

Nope, I don't consider it a competitor (at least not directly) to Red either - it may well be useful as an additional hire in camera for high speed work when necessary without resorting to 35mm, though...

What I find most exciting about the Phantom is that they're getting such ludicrous framerates - that is really one of the last pieces of the puzzle in terms of an all digital workflow for any situation.

[Antoine Fabi]

Agree,

I dont see it as a competitor.
More of a ultra slow motion device.

...and the price ?

You're Right Clayton "VIVA LA REDCODE RAW!"

[Jason Ramsey]

Someone a couple of posts up said that it was like 100k. I don't know if that is for the 2k or the 4k version.

Definitely not a competitor, for sure. What is? :)

It does have a couple of interesting features, that I am not well versed enough on the RED specs to compare to know if it has them too. The 512gig flash recording device seems nice (albeit probably priced out of this world). And the ability to adjust the aspect ratio in 7 pixel increments.

Later,
Jason

[Finner]

At least with this camera is proof that the heat issues that some skeptics said could not be overcome can be. Its good to see that a CMOS sensor can take the heat at an HD level of 1000fps or at 4k at 125.

[_BK]

The Phantom can do full 2k at around 600 fps and cropped 2k at 1000fps. It records everything to onboard memory giving you about 1 minute of shooting before offload. Last I head its going to be close to $100k, but they still haven't gotten it working correctly yet.