REDCINE - Reframe, Pan & Zoom - but Vertical?

[Greg Voevodsky]

From what I've read so far:

1. Redcine should be able to do 4K to 1080p reframing.

2. How about pan and zoom from 4k to 1080p?

3. Now, how about vertical 4k to 1080p vertical??

There is a lot of commercial signage that is now done vertically with plasma TVs turned on their side. Since, Redcine should be able to do 1 and 2 above, I was hoping that it would be possible to take 4k RAW and find a nice 1080p vertical frame within that frame or even the max vertical size that can be downcoverted to 1080p vertical. Can and will this feature be added or done?

It should be a simple software solution. (I hope.) Comments?

[Gopher77]

no keyframe capability in Redcine, so no pan or zoom

[Chris Gearhart]

Yeah, panny and zoomy are too NLE for Redcine. Cropping in Redcine should be doable, though--unless it's set standard sizes. I almost did a commercial for one of those rotated plasmas in the mall nearby. Never thought of Red for that--another reason for 4K now.

[Lucas Wilson]

no keyframe capability in Redcine, so no pan or zoom

Keyframes imply moving from pointA to pointB. That doesn't mean REDCINE can't pan or zoom, just that it can't do a *keyframed* pan or zoom...

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA.

[Chris Gearhart]

But isn't a pan or a zoom a move? It's a move over time (within the frame of the shot), as opposed to a static re-framing.

[Jim Arthurs]

I think that REDCINE can't live up to the myth people are making around it, at least for the first release. This is not detracting from the hard work or coding going on, but think about it.

It debayers. It scales, crops and batch exports to installed codecs. Hopefully it does all of that with as much clever coding as possible in regards to quality and speed. There is some control over image processing and curves, and "something" (hopefully "something impressive") is going on with regards to EDL import/export from NLE's.

[Adrian T.]

REDCINE will most probably be able to scale and crop to any size you want, as long as the chosen export codec supports it.

[Lucas Wilson]

But isn't a pan or a zoom a move? It's a move over time (within the frame of the shot), as opposed to a static re-framing.

Perhaps... semantics at that point. In my world, pan and zoom is a reframing of any kind, whether animated or not. :)

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

[Gavin Greenwalt]

If you wanted a vertical format project and you were shooting 4k, wouldn't you want to shoot it with the RED on its side?

(Just did a PS3 plasma TV thing for Sony and they only wanted an anamorphic SD master so it may not be a problem either way.)

I would assume full reframing capabilities would be within redcine including arbitrary crop sizes. I would expect what you'll do is

1) Set an output size.
2) Set an Aspect Ratio (Sometimes it'll be different from output... aka 2.35 HD)
3) Declare whether or not you're willing to drop below 1:1 pixel ratio. (aka smaller than your output size for the source material)
4) An interface that lets you move around and scale a box with a constrained aspect ratio.
5) Preview color
6) Output

[Greg Voevodsky]

Can someone from RED comment on this?

The real power would be NOT having to turn the camera on its side and shoot double the footage and double the time and money. Most Vertical shots are worthless, since it is a small market.

However, if it can be a byproduct of normal shooting, then I can go back later choose the best verticals and save them out at 1080p.