Wil RED CAM threat new S16 cams?

[Stephen Williams]

Stephen, we have heard Jim say time and time again that nothing with the RedOne is locked, not even the Mysterium sensor. So, I still maintain that whatever we know now remains speculation until the camera ships.

Hi,

I have great respect for Jim & his Mysterium sensor. Jim mentioned 66db dynamic range, so I think it reasonable to assume that 15 stops is not going to happen this year.

Stephen

[Nick Shaw]

Jim mentioned 66db dynamic range, so I think it reasonable to assume that 15 stops is not going to happen this year.

Red say >66dB dynamic range. Obviously that doesn't mean anything deifinite, but doesn't close off any possibilities either.

Nick

[Mardi_Gras]

Hi,

I have great respect for Jim & his Mysterium sensor. Jim mentioned 66db dynamic range, so I think it reasonable to assume that 15 stops is not going to happen this year.

Stephen

Stephen,

RedOne is a work in progress like we all know. Working on feedback from its potential users, the Red team continues to craft what I strongly believe will be a revolutionary and comprehensive piece of equipment. BTW, if 15 stops is your cue to get rid of your film equipment, then I suggest, wait and see... hopefully it won't be too late.

[Stephen Williams]

Red say >66dB dynamic range. Obviously that doesn't mean anything deifinite, but doesn't close off any possibilities either.

Nick

Hi Nick,

My understanding is that >66 db equates to >12 stops, correct me if I am wrong.

Stephen

[donatello b]

S16 already has a market ...that market is not going to drop S16 when RED is released in 2007 ... for most of us here we will not be shooting much S16 and will adopt our projects to REDs- BUT things work a bit SLOWer in hollywood .. it will take a some time for RED to work into Hollywood workflows ...
IMO 2 years down the line ( after RED & SI 2k released ) i would say 50% of the S16 market will switch to digital cinema camera's with a continued decline from there...

[Nick Shaw]

My understanding is that >66 db equates to >12 stops, correct me if I am wrong.

Yes indeed. I was simply pointing out the "greater than" part of that spec.

Nick

[Hoffmann Films]

Sp16 will still have many applications and I'm sure once people understand digital cinema it will change the market, like the still photography market. When digital stills came out it took awhile for people to switch over and now most pros use some sort of digital for there work.

2007 is going to be a great year...The year of RED

[Jason Rodriguez]

You can't get more than 12 "real-world" f-stops out of a 12-bit A/D converter . . . also theoretically a 12-bit A/D converter can provide a dynamic range of 72db . . . Graeme's tests have shown that the Mysterium is capable of 11 and 1/3 stops, which corresponds nicely to the >66db that they have specified for the Mysterium. What this means is that they're probably getting around 67-68db or something in that range, and the remainder of the 72db that the A/D converter can theoretically deliver is consumed by the noise floor. For 15-fstops of dynamic range in the "real-world", you're looking at needing something on the order of a 16-bit A/D converter and around 90db of dynamic range with a low noise floor.