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    CES 2016 is happening right now and one bit of info that's worth noting is that the UHD Alliance has finally published their "UltraHD Premium" specifications.

    What is this? The UHDA is a group formed to organize a widely adopted high quality standard for UHD resolution screens. These "standards" will effect content creation, distribution, and various devices. The board is made up with members from nearly everybody you can imagine. Netflix, Fox, Sony, Warner Brothers, Disney, Universal Pictures, Dolby, Panasonic, DirectTV, Technicolor, LG, and Samsung with members from even more entities.

    The long and the short of it is that will will be seeing display technology "stickered" with the logo you see above and those displays as well as the content must meet a specific set of standards to be considered "UHD Premium".

    Here's the rundown:

    Devices:
    - Image Resolution: 3840x2160
    - Color Bit Depth: 10-bit signal
    - Color Palette: Wide Color Gamut
    - Signal Input: BT.2020
    - Display Reproduction: More than 90% of P3 colors
    - High Dynamic Range
    SMPTE ST 2084 EOTF
    A combination of peak brightness and black level of:
    More than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level
    or
    More than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level
    Distribution & Content Master:
    - Image Resolution: 3840x2160
    - Color Bit Depth: 10-bit signal
    - Color: BT.2020 Color Representation
    - High Dynamic Range: SMPTE ST2084 EOTF


    In their press release they also recommend certain features for mastering displays which is good to know:
    Recommended Mastering Display Features:
    - Display Reproduction: Minimum 100% of P3 colors
    - Peak Brightness: More than 1000 nits
    - Black Level: Less than 0.03 nits


    Promptly after this announcement Samsung and LG stated that their 2016 UHD 4K display line-ups meet or exceeds these specifications, which is good news.

    This is actually a pretty big deal as studios are adopting 4K at a higher pace these days. There wasn't anything in the press release regarding timebase, but everything still seems to be 24-60 fps focused with a trickle of 120p talk. Also, much of this could be carried over to UHD 8K.

    Overall this gives us a good idea of what to expect when viewing content and for those of us who are creating content a general dart board to aim at.
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    Thank you Phil! Finally a firm spec...thank god rec2020 is on the way.

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    Something I should point out here is the major distributors have finally agreed on something regarding 4K. This should help expedite the migration to 4K delivery for all of these entities. This effects broadcast, features, you name it. Now that everybody is shaking hands there shouldn't be much in the way of making those magic glowing rectangles a bit prettier to look at.
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    Aren't they a bit late to the UHD party? Or is it a "new" shiny logo to give 4k a new selling argument? Like in the old days when 100hz 400hz 800hz... Tv's where introduced.
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    Many of the UHD titles announced have been scaled from 1080p to UHD for UHD release. Very few real UHD titles.
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    A common standard for 4K TVs? This is the best fucking news ever!


    Quote Originally Posted by Stacey Spears View Post
    Many of the UHD titles announced have been scaled from 1080p to UHD for UHD release. Very few real UHD titles.
    Yes I know, the idiocracy continues, first it's 720p, now this.
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    I'm still waiting for the Criterion Collection to announce their entry into 4k bluray. Warner Bros just announced theirs:

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/3/107...-max-fury-road
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Holland View Post
    Here's the rundown:

    Devices:
    - Image Resolution: 3840x2160
    - Color Bit Depth: 10-bit signal
    - Color Palette: Wide Color Gamut
    - Signal Input: BT.2020
    - Display Reproduction: More than 90% of P3 colors
    - High Dynamic Range
    SMPTE ST 2084 EOTF
    A combination of peak brightness and black level of:
    More than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level
    or
    More than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level
    Distribution & Content Master:
    - Image Resolution: 3840x2160
    - Color Bit Depth: 10-bit signal
    - Color: BT.2020 Color Representation
    - High Dynamic Range: SMPTE ST2084 EOTF


    In their press release they also recommend certain features for mastering displays which is good to know:
    Recommended Mastering Display Features:
    - Display Reproduction: Minimum 100% of P3 colors
    - Peak Brightness: More than 1000 nits
    - Black Level: Less than 0.03 nits
    Looks like specs are tweaked to gear manufacturers interest to allow certification of more displays.

    Two high DR options are obviously pampering sales of inferior LCD technology incompetent to display imagery properly, which has to boost highlights to compensate for its drawbacks.

    "90% of P3" looks like something which came out of a bargain.

    "Well let's saay...something like...in the range of...roughly...let's see.../checks planned specs for next lineup/...90 % ....yes yes...let's make it 90%.All agreed ? Yes ! "

    Recommended mastering: "peak brightness : more than 1000 nits" > let's see if I'll let a comiteee decide what hits my optical nerve :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elsie N View Post
    Phil, is everything easily attainable now to meet these specs?
    Capture side of things yes. These specs can be hit. Resolution, color, dynamic range are here. The nuances of capturing and finishing for HDR is all being explored at the moment. I do feel that Weapon is forward thinking in its broader color and gamma space implementation.

    Display tech is now and a little bit of what currently exists.

    Affordable 4K mastering displays are still the wiggle. Though that changes this year with more options.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Tresch View Post
    Aren't they a bit late to the UHD party? Or is it a "new" shiny logo to give 4k a new selling argument? Like in the old days when 100hz 400hz 800hz... Tv's where introduced.
    Yes and no. This group in my mind serves two purposes. 1, to assign a standard that everybody agrees on. 2, setting a standard for delivery and devices that provide whatever is set in 1. The important thing here is that these companies have now set a "universal" UHD 4K (and likely 8K) target. This has been one of the big shoulder shrugs for certain companies regarding how to implement UHD to their productions. Now that question is answered and that veil of perhaps the unknown has been lifted.

    Remember this started with film scanning and recording in the mid 90's, then eventually to 4K digital cinema cameras such as RED's and projection in the 2000s. We're now over the half way mark of this decade and 4K in the home has been possible for a while.

    What we are seeing is the maturation of the 4K UHD format into a more adopted standard by those creating and distributing content and devices.
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