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    This thread is great..

    I'm in the situation of setting up a DSMC2 one man band doco rig for a shoot where having a sound recordist is not going to be possible, with a top mic on all the time, and occasionally 1-2 lapels also in the mix.

    Thought the Beachtek preamp into the camera seemed like a great and compact solution, but flawed for this project as the Expander input on camera is going to record your multiple microphone inputs as just one channel right?

    The Mixpre-6 or 3 seem like a good compromise, being able to record indepedently off camera also. It sounds like HDMI trigger isn't a thing with RED right now, but read elsewhere that Atomos devices with cross conversion were passing the SDI trigger signal from camera through to HDMI outputs further down the chain - if this is true with other devices i.e smallHD 500 monitors then may be able to come up with an efficient little system. The Zoom F series seem really large to be attaching to a lighter camera build..
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    Another option might be a Pix-E recorder. You could run an SDI out from the camera to the Pix-E and record synced audio + video there, and if you add one of the Video Devices preamp modules to it, you'd get two channels of Sound Devices preamps to record with.
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    I ordered the mixpre-6 yesterday after a hard battle against the Zoom F8n.
    My reasons
    I going to have it rigged on the camera most of the times. So smaller footprint is a plus. If or when that changes the Zoom F8 might make more sense.
    Listening to comparisons I find that I prefer the audio from the mixpre a little better. It sounds a little more clear to my ears (this is very subjective of course).
    I like the less cluttered ui on the display on the mixpre. I know you can somewhat customize it on the F8n but im not sure how much. Im positive I will never ever use the 8 inputs on the F8n. Its alot!
    The possibility to get the hdmi triggering working in future is teasing.
    The closest video store has closed down so its now a day trip to actually be able to listen to the devices live. And reading about the better headphone out on the mixpre is a deal for me. Curtis Judd said the improvement over the F8 is subtle. I would loved to hear massive, or greatly. Its hard to make a really good choice with no live experience on the two audio devices.

    The most I will miss the built in timecode generator on the zoom f8n, it would been really helpful. But Im getting two eternal boxes until next upgrade.

    I wish the clock-expander had a time code out. It would have been useful.

    That said Im sure I will be very happy with this purchase (and with the f8n if that had been the case).


    Know I need advice on good cables to go from the mixpre-6 into the red v-lock expander. What are you mixpre guys/gals using?
    From my weak memory, I think there was some problems with the mx using ordinary 3.5mm stereo cables since the once on epic mx from were balanced. But the 3.5mm stereo out from the sound devices is unbalanced. Should you turn of the balanced sound in camera and use an ordinary 3.5mm stereo cable? or what works the best?

    What battery are you using to power it when its onboard the camera, and how long are your does this last you?

    Im considering getting the hirose adapter and go to dtap, or perhaps use two Sony batteries, but then it seam I gets to bulky. But I never like rechargeable AA batteries. They always get bad so fast.
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    I'm going to try a similar setup out tonight, using a MixPre-D 6 and sending audio from it to my Epic-W via an OMOD Poe.

    For timecode I've been using TentacleSync boxes; they're pretty inexpensive, and very tiny, but reliable.
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    I've been very happy with my Zoom F8n.
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    So I go the mixpre-6 now and I would not recommend to mount directly under the camera. I think red cameras get little to much of centered. But It might be solved with the right quick release plate.
    For you mixpre owners, how do you mount it to the camera? Behind the battery or on the side? Please post or pm me photos of your rig.

    Plan b is to get a bottonplate that supports rails both to the front and back. But I love to know how you solved this problem.

    I will notice that I have battery issues on my unit. Atleast with alkaline batteries, as they only power it 2-3 minutes before it dies with GP super, and Ikea AA shows its down to 20% after only 10min of run time. Is this a known problem on some units? Also the wingman app is kind of sad. I wish I could control the mixpre more. Here it looks better on the zoom for sure. Otherwise it feels good so far.
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    Yes, you should power it externally or at least with a decent size NP-F battery.

    As for mounting it, I think only the most minimalist mirrorless/DSLR set up should mount it underneath. I'd flip it instead to mount vertically behind the camera on rails.

    Something like this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/SMALLRIG-Ch.../dp/B00CII2B40

    Or for much more money, Zucuto offers their version: https://www.filmtools.com/grip-and-e...ate-z-zwp.html
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    I leaning hardly on mounting it like that. I think the small rig looks great. But I need to find the right base plate for the rails also. Hope I can get some good recommendations here so I can order this today!
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    I very much like this:

    https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-vc...late-1954.html

    I also own and quite like (but much more prefer the Smallrig!) the Tilta BS-T03 :

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...k_release.html


    As you can see, I like VCT-14! Used to use dovetails, but don't like them as much, especially not if working with a minimal crew.

    You can see them both in use here on two Sony PMW-F3 cameras recently:

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    I have two plans to rig the mixpre-6 to the epic w.

    Plan A
    SmallRig Left Side Plate for REDEpic-W 1997.
    Getting the left side plate from small hd and mount the mixpre-6 to that.

    Plan B
    SMALLRIG Red Raven Baseplate 1756
    SmallRig Dual 15mm Rod Clamp 1943 x 2
    SmallRig Cheese Plate with Dual 15mm Rod Clamp 1093
    SmallRig Aluminum Alloy Pair of 15mm Rods (M12-4inch)1049

    The goal with Plan B is to mount mixpre-6 from behind the battery, using rods and a vertical cheese plate. But im a little fraid that Im getting in trouble as I want to point the Rod Clamp down.
    This is to not block the red epic w vent. But at the same time I might have a problem to mount a quick release mount under the camera, as the dual rod clamps might hit the quick release mount.

    Seams the hardest problem is what baseplate to get. I use simple manfrotto quick release plates on all gear. But I would be happy to switch to something better that you can attach from above. I really dont like to slide in the bottom plate as it some times little space on a rig.

    Edit. I ordered the left side plate because im in a hurry to atleast have plan A working. But I hope you guys/gals can help me out on plan b aswell. I like to have that as an option aswell. Or similar solution.
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