new Epic render...

[Jannard]

Looks great, one of my question is, how EPIC will be usable as shoulder camera, batteries and hard drive as counterweight? Enough? What, if the hard drive will be a less heavier flash drive, the batteries gets smaller? That's a serious problem if you operate the camera yourself, the right hand holds the camera, the left pulls focus. To much weight in front with lenses, focus, matte box. What Brook and Matt illustrated is a kind of Aaton body, and this camera is way of the best shoulder camera I hold in hand. So how could EPIC be married with an Aaton?

You are kidding... right?

Jim

[Fredrik Callinggard]

You are kidding... right?

Jim

I think it's a yes and a no there Jim. I think they're all seeking the balance that the magazine of the AATON provides. So if you guys could make a clever click on "cradle/cage" where the necessary stuff as drives and batteries could go, then it could counterbalance the weight of the EPIC body.

I think Brooks idea of having a mount for the wifi controls in the back that then can be the mount the "cradle/cage" was a good idea.

[Harrison Diamond]

Well, I'm liking this break out box a lot!

Jim, does this fully replace or mount on top of the existing side panel? Will this mean that without the BOB there will be the option of a side mounted power/drive connector?

[Daniel Reichenbach]

You are kidding... right?

Jim

No, not really, because the cam has a nice shoulder pad doe's not make it a perfect shoulder cam. So, I'm curious about the option. That's all. Sorry if you hate me now

[I Bloom]

I think it's really beautiful.
You guys are wonderful designers.

My main concern is shown here:


I believe that minimizing this distance is important. I think I'd rather see the additional area, now on the front bottom section of the camera be on top.

Ok so please understand my underlying reasoning behind the suggestion I'm going to make:
1. There is no reason to think of the camera as having a proper top and bottom or left of right side. On a digital camera we can easily flip the image so the main thing that matters in terms of how we orient the camera is that the operators side is clear in most situations.
2. Most situations where the operator side must be clear, we have more additional clearance above the camera.
3. Its not neccessary to have clearance for rods underneath the mount and in some cases under the lense. When a pulling focus handheld we shall often use a remote focus unit, which can mount from top rods eliminating the need to access the rods directly below the lense.
4. Their is an advantage to having the nodal point as close as possible to the shoulder. It's nice to at least have the option.
Here's what came into my mind.

You can see the actual shape of the body is just rotated.

It's late, can't sleep and I'm being creative.
Cheers,

IBloom

[Peter Majtan]

But what if You were to put some wide-front lens (like the Ultra-Prime 10) - wouldn't that interfere with the "Shoulder Mount / Baseplate"?

EDIT: I also think the center of gravity is little more back - somewhere around where the XLR's are...

[Jannard]

You guys need a lesson on board design and cramming ten tons of corn into a half pound bag. Look at the D-20, the Dalsa, The F-35, the Genesis and tell me we aren't doing a miracle here. Once again... this is NOT a film camera. If you want an Aaton on your shoulder, go buy a lot of film. We have been trying to listen and respond. But you guys are crazy... :-) Wouldn't it be nice if we just lowered the price to $2K? Getting 5K to operate at 100fps in a body that is 1/3 smaller than a RED ONE (already a small camera compared to anything close- or, forgot... there isn't anything close) and run at higher data rates without melting the skin off you fingers is a trick in and of itself.

We are pretty well done here.

Jim

[Jannard]

No, not really, because the cam has a nice shoulder pad doe's not make it a perfect shoulder cam. So, I'm curious about the option. That's all. Sorry if you hate me now

I don't hate you... I've always liked you.

Jim

[Fredrik Callinggard]

We have been trying to listen and respond. But you guys are crazy... :-)

Not crazy... GREEDY! and it's all your fault Jim

[I Bloom]

But what if You were to put some wide-front lens (like the Ultra-Prime 10) - wouldn't that interfere with the "Shoulder Mount / Baseplate"?

That's why you can slide it backwards. On a wide lense you can deal with a little more play... I don't pretend to be a camera designer. I'm just throwing in my two cents.

EDIT: I also think the center of gravity is little more back - somewhere around where the XLR's are...

The center of gravity is going to move depending on what lense you are using. So the position of your shoulder relative to the camera also needs to move.