How about a 2k "Minimium" sensor? *ducks*
Thread: A request of the RED mini
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05-07-2007, 04:00 PM
How about a 2k "Minimium" sensor? *ducks*
05-07-2007, 04:14 PM
lol.. Why not sounds like an idea
05-07-2007, 04:31 PM
gotta keep it 4K.
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05-08-2007, 02:35 AM
Why make it 35mm size (for lense attachments and shorter DoF) but then gimp its resolution? Keep both or lose both. Since losing both doesnt make sense for a professional camera that bears the name RED, might as well keep em both dont ya think? Production costs for a 35mm sized sensor in 2k and 4k is probably pretty close to being the same (just guessing here).
Dream BIG guys... come on!
05-08-2007, 02:50 AM
They called it a "pocket" RED, not a "crappy" RED. I imagine it will have a sensor like or similar to the one in the RED One and a teensy body that will work well for MoCo and hothead stuff. That would be my guess, anyway.Originally Posted by Phillip Hudson
05-08-2007, 07:06 AM
pretty close? that's like assuming 1/4" ccd and 2/3" ccd are similar in cost. there's a reason why handycams only cost $250 and larger pro cams start at $20000.
there's also a reason why handycams are as small as they are (some would even go so far as to call them pocket cams) and pro cams are shoulder mount (i've never heard any shoulder mount cam with a removable lens claiming to fit in a pocket or be pocket-sized).
i'm not doubting red. i'm just doubting the redusers' abilities to see past their fantasy cams.
05-08-2007, 08:49 AM
Sure, plastic parts, plastic lenses, less R&D costs, technology that has already been subsidized by the bigger, more expensive cameras, economies of scale, etc. I'm sure the actual sensor cost is a pretty small portion of the cost savings.
Again, I think this has more to do with the different needs of the pro and consumer markets in terms of form factor rather than sensor size restrictions.
I believe that Red can successfully build a miniaturized 4k camera for specialized purposes if cost is not a factor. But I don't necessarily believe that they can build a prosumer camera at a price point that is competitive with the major manufacturers without sacrificing qualities that are important to the Red brand.
05-08-2007, 11:09 AM
If you try and make a 4K sensor physically smaller than the 35mm MP frame, you lose the 35mm depth-of-field characteristics, plus more than likely you'll have sensitivity loss and heat problems from cramming more sensor sites into a smaller surface area. But if you leave the sensor to be 35mm in size, it gets harder to keep everything smaller around it, especially the optics in front.
Hence why I think a smaller RED is likely either going to be a 4K "block" with a 35mm-sized sensor and lens and maybe a separate processor... or it's going to be a 2K/HD sensor with smaller optics and a built-in processor. But I don't expect a 4K sensor that is only 1/3" or 1/2" in size for a handycam-type camera (and if they did, how many people would use it if it were only 100 ASA and/or noisy, let's say?).
05-08-2007, 11:47 AM
3K smaller sensor for good detail on 2K deliverable and being able to adjust shake, crop or other vfx
zoom with 1.0 f-stop for DOF (as large f-stop as possible)
built in ND filters for daylight and narrow DOF
Super 8 form factor with foldable or removeable battery-handle for tripod mount
OK to put part of the stuff on a belt or in a back pack while shooting
Extremely weather and shake proof
all controls fully manual and fully automatic by choice
compressed in camera and uncompressed with external extras
2000 dollars ready to go
05-08-2007, 11:54 AM
Sounds good to me, but the $2000 sounds a little TOO good ;)
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