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    Thanks for these Phil!

    I have to ask it (I really do), but for the first video for example, what was your grading process for the shot of the two with the book? I love that look. Assuming a philmColor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blair Thornton View Post
    OK, Dan Rather and ... Phil Holland are gods.
    Heh. I've never been mentioned in the same sentence with Dan Rather before. I won't let that go to my head!


    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Morrison View Post
    These lenses look pretty legit.
    Can confirm. They are legit lenses. I've been using these a bunch lately. A bit of ping pong back and forth between Sigma Cine and these. Tokinas thus far have been my main VV glass for sure pretty much since they started shipping.


    Quote Originally Posted by rand thompson View Post
    Thanks Phil, for the time and effort you put into making this test!
    Thanks Rand!


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Lindsay View Post
    A 135mm T1.5 with Tokinas generous coverage is pretty amazing!

    ps Perhaps that means we may see a T2 200mm or similar? I really need one of those...
    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Morrison View Post
    Love to see them make a 28mm and 40mm too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Tiemann View Post
    I'd like a 65mm please.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blair Thornton View Post
    I'd like an 85mm please

    What I can say is they are aiming for a rather complete set of cinema optics at the end of the day. There very much is more glass in development to flesh out this set. 85mm already exists.

    I'm with you guys really on what's desired and needed.

    These are "big boy lenses" and feels very much like we're getting into a sort of Master Prime sized series of primes for VistaVision. I use a 6-hole case already, but I think the 135mm ships early 2020 and will inspire some creative transport from there on out. I used a single two hole kit for the spare lens on the shoot day.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Morrison View Post
    I wonder what the coverage of these guys is on a speedmount on Gemini, etc.

    That extra image circle may let them cover the entire Gemini/Helium/Dragon Sensor even speed-boosted.
    Generous coverage, but it will depend on the speedmount.

    Natively most of them cover 65mm 5-perf or damn close to it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Tiemann View Post
    Phil, just got a chance to finish watching your lens test video. Far and away my favorite version of your tests. Great job!!!
    Thanks Michael. After I did the "full bore" tests with the charts and human subjects years back, like the stuff Schneider shows at their booth, I found the distortion grids and stuff to be fairly boring. I've refined it a bit and simplified. Likely keeping to this structure for a while to keep things somewhat consistent.


    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Johnson View Post
    Thanks for these Phil!

    I have to ask it (I really do), but for the first video for example, what was your grading process for the shot of the two with the book? I love that look. Assuming a philmColor...
    The first test IPP2 wasn't around actually, but I did create a philmColor look off that grade. I need to actually look it up it was so long ago. The grade on the last little SciFi Workshop Scene was philmColor_base_skylark w/ IPP2 Output Tone Map Low and Highlight Roll-Off Very Soft. I actually kept some tooth to the image via the Skin Tone - Highlight OLPF, all ISO 800 in this case. Very slight Tone Curve adjustment in IPP2 as well.

    A frame grab from the 85mm CU:




    The fun bit about that setup was I actually was clipping very much on purpose to get some flare off those bare bulbs.


    Here's a 4K grab from the 135mm as well:
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    2X RED Weapon 8K VV Monstro Bodies and a lot of things to use with them.

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    You da man! Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blair Thornton View Post
    I'd like an 85mm please
    Me too. But that 80-90mm focal length is forever a favorite of mine regardless of the format I shoot, even 1"/S16 format. Flare on that Tokina is gorgeous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blair Thornton View Post
    I'd like an 85mm please
    Me too. But that 80-90mm focal length range is forever a favorite of mine regardless of the format I shoot, even 1"/S16 format. Flare on that Tokina is gorgeous.
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    Phil do the Tokina Primes and Zooms color match?

    And do the zooms cover Gemini/Helium/Gemini (at least the 50-135?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Morrison View Post
    Phil do the Tokina Primes and Zooms color match?

    And do the zooms cover Gemini/Helium/Gemini (at least the 50-135?)
    I only have the 16-28 T3 MK II (and it's not here at the moment), but I have worked with them in tandem before. Color-wise, fairly close. Image quality-wise, the primes are certainly sharper, which is common when comparing zooms to primes. I was using it much more before I had the 18mm and 25mm.

    The 50-135mm T3 MK II I only saw at NAB 2019. I haven't tested coverage yet. They are designed for Super 35mm/APS-C, so within those confines for sure. Extended coverage, not sure.
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    Awesome thanks
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    Yeah, TBH these are basically my favorite modern spherical lenses - butter.
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    Love the tests, the flare comparison was the best side by side i've seen - all lens comparisons should be done like this, it reveals so much more when you see the same frame exactly.

    Plus i just keep pausing and looking at all the racks of toys...

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