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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gundu View Post
    Not at all. RED will be supporting all current hardware/software. The Rocket is EOL.
    I can understand Rocket being EOL, as it was replaced by RR-X. Nothing in official Apple ecosystem yet replaces RR-X, so EOL for RR-X is premature. If Afterburner handled R3D decode and debayer TODAY, I'd be happy to accept RR-X as EOL. But as things stand, Red+Apple is going backward, not forward. PC+RED is moving ahead by leaps and bounds, especially with AMD CPU and nVidia GPU.
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    Update : 2020 Mar 7th : Scroll down to my next post in this thread to find the actual steps used to installed the RRX in Catalina.

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    Michael,

    As I am using RRX in Catalina - I am wondering if the problem that we are facing is that Apple have locked down the ability for install scripts to write to parts of the system area.

    Could it be what you just need to temporarily deactivate SIP for the install script be allowed to run?

    https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/ma...tless-3638975/

    Summary of what temporary SIP deactivation looks like:

    * Shutdown
    * Hold command+R and press power
    * Launch terminal
    * csrutil disable
    * Reboot

    * Run RRX installer

    * Shutdown
    * Hold command+R and press power
    * Launch terminal
    * csrutil enable
    * Reboot

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    +) I have not tried this on my machine as it currently works - but am keen to find out if this solve the problem.
    +) If this gets past the 'package not compatible error' - then this SIP solved the specific problem I think was hampering the install.
    +) In the event there is a Second level of security that is not governed by SIP - you might also need to go into System Prefs -> Security & Privacy -> General and 'allow' the installer to run (as outline in the RED help online)
    +) If we are not able get the installation to work - it may be that can manually copy the 'kext' file (ie the OS extension) directly into the directory.

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    Can confirm that the Terminal workaround didn't work.
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    Gillian,

    Thankyou for your feedback. It might useful to liaise with RED and share your performance details with them, as it may be in their interest to compile the steps needed to allow RRX Drivers to be installed in Catalina (especially as the RRX works in Catalina once the drivers are installed).

    In the same position - I would either install Yosemite (ie a version of OSX that I could get the Red Package to install without intervention) and then reinstall Catalina - or 'HACK' the Rocket Driver in manually (which should be sufficient if there is no 'handshaking' between the rocket and the OS required as part the setup).

    I will cobble together steps (off the net) for a manual 'Kext' Install in my next post. **

    AJ

    ** UPDATE : 1 x Person succeeded in getting the RRX work in Catalina using these steps
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    RED-ROCKET-X INSTALL in MacOS CATALINA

    UPDATE : 2020 Mar 08 : Worked for 2 x People

    As mentioned here at the steps involved in Manually Installing a 3rd Party Kernel Extension in Catalina
    (Refs for steps at the bottom of the thread)

    STAGE 1 : Get Kernel Extension(‘kext’ file ready)

    +) Download redrocketx.kext.zip file from : https://we.tl/t-9ZqtH9UBZW
    (this file will exist for the next 7 days in WeTransfer)
    +) Decompress redrocketx.kext.zip on Desktop
    +) Go into ‘Terminal’ App
    +) Change directory to Desktop in ‘Terminal’

    cd /Users/YOURUSERNAME/Desktop
    (replace 'YOURUSERNAME' with your Desktop user name)

    STAGE 2 : Before installing Kexts, disable Gate Keeper and mount the System Partition as Read/Write in ‘Terminal’

    sudo spctl --master-disable
    sudo mount -uw NOTE: Even if this Fails : The overall process can work
    sudo killall Finder


    STAGE 4 : Use ’Terminal’ to copy extension into directory (as copying with Finder will not work properly for kext files)

    sudo cp -R redrocketx.kext /Library/Extensions

    STAGE 5 : Repair permissions. Rebuild permissions in ‘Terminal’

    sudo chown -v -R root:wheel /System/Library/Extensions
    sudo touch /System/Library/Extensions
    sudo chmod -v -R 755 /Library/Extensions
    sudo chown -v -R root:wheel /Library/Extensions
    sudo touch /Library/Extensions
    sudo kextcache -i /


    STAGE 6 : Reboot machine

    With any luck at this point - this might be all that is needed to RocketX driver working in Catalina.

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    Reference information (1) Main script details on installing Kexts on Catalina gleaned from:
    https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/g...talina.268964/

    Reference information (2): Location of 3rd party Kext files.
    I used finder on my own Mac Pro 2013 running Catalina & RRX.

    Reference information (3): I have checked the ownership of all files in /System/Library/Extensions on my machine to confirm they are all owned by ‘root:wheel’ (as detailed on the tonymacx86 site ref 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gillianseed View Post
    Can confirm that the Terminal workaround DOES NOT work. This is a pretty unbelievable turn of events. I just dropped around $24,000 upgrading to the 2019 Mac Pro from my old 2010 tower, and also got a new 8-bay SSD 32TB Thunderbolt3 RAID with 2200MB/s. My Alexa Mini render speeds jumped from 55fps to 248fps! Phantom speeds jumped from 29fps to 267fps! AND my RED Epic renders went from 55fps on the 2010 Mac Pro tower with RED Rocket-X to 44fps on the 2019 Mac Pro with the maxed out GPU AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo. WHAT? I'm honestly going to recommend to DPs to avoid the RED camera systems and stick with Alexa or Venice from now on. Doing 8k HELIUM dailies on commercials isn't even going to be feasible anymore on heavy shooting days without RED Rocket-X support.
    Quite believable, actually. Rocket-X has been EOL for quite awhile and is not supported in Catalina. Apple’s abandonment of OpenCL has meant a lot of rework on the GPU compute side. If you can’t wait for the Metal port, you need a modern nvidia card on windows to go fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gillianseed View Post
    Can confirm that the Terminal workaround DOES NOT work. This is a pretty unbelievable turn of events. I just dropped around $24,000 upgrading to the 2019 Mac Pro from my old 2010 tower, and also got a new 8-bay SSD 32TB Thunderbolt3 RAID with 2200MB/s. My Alexa Mini render speeds jumped from 55fps to 248fps! Phantom speeds jumped from 29fps to 267fps! AND my RED Epic renders went from 55fps on the 2010 Mac Pro tower with RED Rocket-X to 44fps on the 2019 Mac Pro with the maxed out GPU AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo. WHAT? I'm honestly going to recommend to DPs to avoid the RED camera systems and stick with Alexa or Venice from now on. Doing 8k HELIUM dailies on commercials isn't even going to be feasible anymore on heavy shooting days without RED Rocket-X support.
    When you would have avoided the $24k Mac Pro and went for a $14k threadripper workstation with 2 RTX Titans on Windows or Linux you would be waiting for the release of a 12k red camera to put some pressure on the workstation, while still being able to use the rocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antony Newman View Post
    As mentioned here at the steps involved in Manually Installing a 3rd Party Kernel Extension in Catalina
    (Refs for steps at the bottom of the thread)

    STAGE 1 : Get Kernel Extension(‘kext’ file ready)

    +) Download redrocketx.kext.zip file from : https://we.tl/t-tgHfGHhwnN
    (this file will exist for the next 7 days in WeTransfer)
    +) Decompress redrocketx.kext.zip on Desktop
    +) Go into ‘Terminal’ App
    +) Change directory to Desktop in ‘Terminal’

    cd /Users/YOURUSERNAME/Desktop
    (replace 'YOURUSERNAME' with your Desktop user name)

    STAGE 2 : Before installing Kexts, disable Gate Keeper and mount the System Partition as Read/Write in ‘Terminal’

    sudo spctl --master-disable
    sudo mount -uw
    sudo killall Finder


    STAGE 4 : Use ’Terminal’ to copy extension into directory (as copying with Finder will not work properly for kext files)

    sudo cp -R redrocketx.kext /Library/Extensions

    STAGE 5 : Repair permissions. Rebuild permissions in ‘Terminal’

    sudo chown -v -R root:wheel /System/Library/Extensions
    sudo touch /System/Library/Extensions
    sudo chmod -v -R 755 /Library/Extensions
    sudo chown -v -R root:wheel /Library/Extensions
    sudo touch /Library/Extensions
    sudo kextcache -i /


    STAGE 6 : Reboot machine

    With any luck at this point - this might be all that is needed to RocketX driver working in Catalina.

    =============================
    Reference information (1) Main script details on installing Kexts on Catalina gleaned from:
    https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/g...talina.268964/

    Reference information (2): Location of 3rd party Kext files.
    I used finder on my own Mac Pro 2013 running Catalina & RRX.

    Reference information (3): I have checked the ownership of all files in /System/Library/Extensions on my machine to confirm they are all owned by ‘root:wheel’ (as detailed on the tonymacx86 site ref 1)

    AJ
    AJ, that worked[1]!! I hope the RED team takes note and allows those of us with sunk RR-X costs to continue to use the RR-X until something better[2] comes along. Now at least I'm back to where I was performance-wise before Catalina upended everything.

    [1] Not all of the steps worked: I could not change the root (/System) filesystem to read/write, but enough of the steps worked that I could install the kext and now Red Cine X sees my RR-X, which makes me happy.

    [2] The 2019 Mac Pro, as many have pointed out, is OK for R3D *if* using FCP-X. But it's not Insanely Great when it comes to using Resolve, and as some are keen to point out, its value-for-money is absurd. If and when Radeon GPUs can offer the kind of debayering performance that nVidea offers on Windows, and/or one can order a machine with CPU performance like AMD's relatively recent Threadrippers, it just seems morally wrong to reward Apple with revenues they simply do not deserve.
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    Michael,

    You've just made my day - awesome news!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Tiemann View Post
    AJ, that worked[1]!! I hope the RED team takes note and allows those of us with sunk RR-X costs to continue to use the RR-X until something better[2] comes along. Now at least I'm back to where I was performance-wise before Catalina upended everything.

    [1] Not all of the steps worked: I could not change the root (/System) filesystem to read/write, but enough of the steps worked that I could install the kext and now Red Cine X sees my RR-X, which makes me happy.

    [2] The 2019 Mac Pro, as many have pointed out, is OK for R3D *if* using FCP-X. But it's not Insanely Great when it comes to using Resolve, and as some are keen to point out, its value-for-money is absurd. If and when Radeon GPUs can offer the kind of debayering performance that nVidea offers on Windows, and/or one can order a machine with CPU performance like AMD's relatively recent Threadrippers, it just seems morally wrong to reward Apple with revenues they simply do not deserve.
    "it just seems morally wrong to reward Apple with revenues they simply do not deserve."

    Really? The new Mac Pro 2019 increased my ALEXA renders by 450%, with a 60fps increased just from the Apple Afterburner alone. PHANTOM render speeds increased by 900% with the Mac Pro. The RED render speeds dropped by 20%. Something tells me Apple isn't the problem here.
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