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  1. #1 Monstro ISO 
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    Hello all,

    1. I don't shoot a lot of Red and was curious about what is the "native" ISO of the Monstro with Standard OLPF?

    2. Does Monstro have the Menu>Image>ISO>New ISO Calibration setting like the Helium does? This boned me last time I shot with the Helium as I wasn't aware of this setting and ended up with some unwanted grain.

    3. For standard shooting practices are most people using Log3G10 and ReWideGamut

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    1. You don't want "native ISO". The recommended Base ISO is around ISO 800. I would say for most with the Standard OLPF ISO 800-1600 is a nice place to start.
    2. Yes, Monstro features ISO Calibration 2.
    3. I've been on IPP2 since day one. It provides the best image quality and color from RED cameras.
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    Thank you Phil.

    To clarify on ISO Calibration 2 - that option needs to be checked in the Menu>Image>ISO setting, correct? Is my understanding correct that ISO calibration 2 brought the sensor base down to 640-800? Finally I assume the Gemini being dual ISO does not have this same calibration option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony DeRose View Post
    Thank you Phil.

    To clarify on ISO Calibration 2 - that option needs to be checked in the Menu>Image>ISO setting, correct? Is my understanding correct that ISO calibration 2 brought the sensor base down to 640-800? Finally I assume the Gemini being dual ISO does not have this same calibration option.

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    Gemini and Monstro are both Calibration 2. This just means that 800 ISO meters as 800 ISO. Calbration 1 was a stop off (800 ISO metered at 400 ISO).

    Gemini, as a separate feature, also has TWO iso settings - Standard (from approx 200 to 1600), and Lowlight (from 1600 on up).
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    So I have always shot at ISO 800 with the Standard OLPF. When I mix Monstro with DXL2 I change to the low light OLPF and change the ISO calibration check box and use ISO 1600.

    Interestingly on a recent Netflix feature the DOP on 1st unit with DXL2 was shooting a great deal of material at ISO 3200 but I never saw that footage on a big screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Lyons Collister, ASC View Post
    So I have always shot at ISO 800 with the Standard OLPF. When I mix Monstro with DXL2 I change to the low light OLPF and change the ISO calibration check box and use ISO 1600.
    For clarity's sake, when you switch to ISO Calibration 2 at ISO1600 to match DXL2, that results in *2* stops brighter than ISO Calibration 1 at ISO800, right? (Switching from ISO Cal 1 to 2 = +1 stop, and going from ISO800 to 1600 = +1 stop.)

    Just wondering how much brighter DXL2 is at default/recommended/"native" settings.
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    I'll have to check my notes when I'm back at the hut, but if I recall correctly the DXL2 is also on ISO Cal 2.

    I'm hesitant to post without my notes, but if that's the case:
    - Monstro w/ Use New ISO Cal Selected
    - DXL2

    At ISO 800 should net the same image w/ the same OLPF installed.

    Which would make sense when Peter has it unselected on Monstro at ISO 1600 to match DXL2 at 800.

    All ISO Cal 2 is doing is a one stop boost, mainly to play better w/ meters. It's been the standard way of working for a long while now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike P. View Post
    For clarity's sake, when you switch to ISO Calibration 2 at ISO1600 to match DXL2, that results in *2* stops brighter than ISO Calibration 1 at ISO800, right? (Switching from ISO Cal 1 to 2 = +1 stop, and going from ISO800 to 1600 = +1 stop.)

    Just wondering how much brighter DXL2 is at default/recommended/"native" settings.
    For clarity's sake, a production should use ONE calibration at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Holland View Post
    I'll have to check my notes when I'm back at the hut, but if I recall correctly the DXL2 is also on ISO Cal 2.

    I'm hesitant to post without my notes, but if that's the case:
    - Monstro w/ Use New ISO Cal Selected
    - DXL2

    At ISO 800 should net the same image w/ the same OLPF installed.

    Which would make sense when Peter has it unselected on Monstro at ISO 1600 to match DXL2 at 800.

    All ISO Cal 2 is doing is a one stop boost, mainly to play better w/ meters. It's been the standard way of working for a long while now.
    I had this same question/dilemma a few months ago while using a Panavised Helium. It appears that the DXL LUT is adding the 1 stop push, and the “ISO CAL 2” setting is disabled in-camera. Same result, different path!
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    It would be great Phil if you made something like this, or if Red did. I was talking to a Arri "fanboy". and he showed me this and I thought it looked super helpful.
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