View Poll Results: Which cameras color do you prefer form the Full Frame Cinema Shootout 2020

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    54 73.97%
  • 2

    2 2.74%
  • 3

    9 12.33%
  • 4

    2 2.74%
  • 5

    0 0%
  • 6

    1 1.37%
  • 7

    3 4.11%
  • 8

    1 1.37%
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    1 1.37%

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    My favourite was the Alexa by far, then Gemini, then Venice, next FX9 slog. Surprisingly I wasn't a fan of Monstro - the motion rendition was an issue.

    This is what I wrote while watching blind...

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    1 good, little stuttery
    2 good
    3 slightly hyped colour
    4 bit more filmic, less neutral
    5 good
    6 good, colour a touch hyped
    7 good, autofocus didn’t cope


    INT studio

    1 nice, good soft
    2 good, bit too sharp
    3 nice, not so good softness
    4 bad skin tones (green and magenta somehow) as well as a bit plastic
    5 highlight handling is bad!
    6 similar to 5 not so bad but not great, skin tones not great
    7 pretty good
    8 pretty good
    9 not quite as good as 7 & 8 but nice

    INT +6

    1 great
    2 fail
    3 fail and ugly
    4 even worse, gross
    5 not great
    6 not bad, not great, bit plastic, magenta
    7 nice, not bad at all, cool colour shift
    8 pretty good
    9 not great


    INT -6

    1 great
    2 ok, thin, noisy
    3 pretty good! touch magenta
    4 FP weird issues nut not bad otherwise
    5 ok, pretty good actually
    6 ugly
    7 noisy not bad, not good
    8 noisy, colour shift to blue, not bad
    9 noisy, thin, not bad

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    1 very nice
    2 nice
    3 nice, video motion feel
    4 not bad
    5 pretty nice, focus fail
    6 pretty nice, focus fail
    7 fine, video motion feel
    8 good

    EXT night sodium

    1 damn good
    2 pretty good, bit plastic
    3 not bad, focus struggled
    4 pretty good, shakey, rolling shutter
    5 good, bit sharp, oversaturated
    6 good, feels dslr
    7 looks nice but not neutral
    8 pretty good

    Thanks for the great test Evin!
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    If you guys want some more insight here’s a podcast with filmmaker Noam Kroll where we discuss the test...
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000467601482
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    Thanks Evin. When are you going to post a labeled version of the video?
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    Here you go Martin... https://vimeo.com/396206307
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evin Grant View Post
    Here you go Martin... https://vimeo.com/396206307
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    Ahhhhhhhh.... Password, please?
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    Fixed, no password needed now
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    Thanks again, Evin.

    Not sure if you've mentioned it, but do you know what OLPFs you were using in the REDs?

    Given how quickly they were clipping, I'm wondering if using one of the cleaner OLPFs (STND or LLO) and trying to even out the over/under with higher ISO might yield better results (especially with Monstro, which in the samples I've played with can crank pretty high and still be clean.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike P. View Post
    Given how quickly they were clipping, I'm wondering if using one of the cleaner OLPFs (STND or LLO) and trying to even out the over/under with higher ISO might yield better results (especially with Monstro, which in the samples I've played with can crank pretty high and still be clean.)
    OLPF has nothing to do whatsoever with highlight capture range.

    Yes, you can underexpose and save highlights. With penalty to negative thickness / image density.
    As with every other camera.

    Red material suffers a bit less in that scenario due to denser 16 bit image which you push when you do that.
    Lower noise levels do not compensate material thickness.
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    OLPF is a great question.

    Can Any expert from red chime in here on this?

    I was always under the impression that the highlight olpf preserved 1.3x more highlight retention at the signal level (its a filter at the end of the day?!) than the lowlight olpf?

    Also seems to me, the Gemini is pretty close to the alev3 sensor (bar LF size ofc !)?

    Plus I guess the Gemini was not in lowlight mode?

    when I shoot it at normal 800iso mode, I am often amazed how well it holds the highlights with great colour and great general DR.

    Interesting test Evin!

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